Joint decision

[zorgon]

"Gazillions" of robberies  of non-users (and users) occur each year, by people hooked on whatever, trying to find money for that next hit. That is a huge huge cancer!

Which would stop if its available legally at a fair price

Then after being hooked long enough on some of them, then it is off to the hospitals and psyco wards, with families trying to get help for their addict relatives. Actually, there are "industries" devoted to trying to help those who are unable to help themselves. Huge cancer!

I know two friends hooked on prescription pain killers, I know one person that is hooked on cutting themselves... but there would be a LOT less people hooked on those recreational drugs if we made it legal and eliminated the pushers

Gang and mob related cancers!

Gangs and mobs only hold sway when there is a big black market  Capone and buddies came about because of Prohibition... faded away when booze was legal again

Gags and mobs exist because of the demand for supply and there is a lot of money in that demand

Huge waste of law enforcement resources at every level, including incarceration - huge cancer.

True BILLIONS spent on the war on drugs, jails filled with people possessing a small amount of weed while defense lawyers get rich and private jails get rich. Make it legal, no need for all that wasted law enforcement

People killed and injured in accidents related to recreational drug use.

And on and on ad infinitum! And whether anyone admits to it or not, drug use can be worse for a user than most any real cancer, because drugs deal directly with the brain!! And that is where it all starts, and in many cases that is where it ends, for the user

I have seen as much damage dome from people obsessed with religion. Religion is a drug for millions and many of those fanatics also turn violent

I saw first hand the law enforcement/drug user cancesr several years ago, while serving on a county grand jury for six months. Probably 75% of the "business" conducted by the grand jury was drug related.

Well legalization and control will eliminate most of that. People will tend towards the legal drugs if available and they will be taxable.

The problem is that the Government makes 10 times as much money off the illegal drugs as they would if they were legal.  Where do you think all those trillions of dollars the DoD spends comes from? There are not enough tax payers in the USA to account for it

[zorgon]

Opium fields Afghanistan with US Soldier

Opium production in Afghanistan has been on the rise since U.S. occupation started in 2001. Based on UNODC data, there has been more opium poppy cultivation in each of the past four growing seasons (2004–2007) than in any one year during Taliban rule. Also, more land is now used for opium in Afghanistan than for coca cultivation in Latin America. In 2007, 92% of the non-pharmaceutical-grade opiates on the world market originated in Afghanistan. This amounts to an export value of about $4 billion, with a quarter being earned by opium farmers and the rest going to district officials, insurgents, warlords, and drug traffickers. In the seven years (1994–2000) prior to a Taliban opium ban, the Afghan farmers' share of gross income from opium was divided among 200,000 families. In addition to opiates, Afghanistan is also the largest producer of cannabis (mostly as hashish) in the world

The Talibans BANNED opium  so why is production on an annual INCREASE since we sent our troups there?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_production_in_Afghanistan

[zorgon]

CIA and Contras cocaine trafficking in the US

Don't forget THIS one...

The involvement of the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in cocaine trafficking in Central America during the Reagan Administration as part of the Contra war in Nicaragua has been the subject of several official and journalistic investigations since the mid-1980s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_and_Contras_cocaine_trafficking_in_the_US

[petrus4]

I thought anyone not high already, would understand what the cancers relative to drugs are - it is all of the problems you want to drum up relative to the recreational drugs, for both users and non-users.

"Gazillions" of robberies  of non-users (and users) occur each year, by people hooked on whatever, trying to find money for that next hit. That is a huge huge cancer!

Rdunk...do you think perhaps that you could attempt to refrain from being so completely and disastrously wrong about literally every opinion you express?

[zorgon]

I have lost many friends to booze. None to pot.

Typical American Pot Smokers...

[ArMaP]

"Gazillions" of robberies  of non-users (and users) occur each year, by people hooked on whatever, trying to find money for that next hit. That is a huge huge cancer!

The small (but many) crimes related to drug use were reduced after drug use become legal in Portugal.

Then after being hooked long enough on some of them, then it is off to the hospitals and psyco wards, with families trying to get help for their addict relatives. Actually, there are "industries" devoted to trying to help those who are unable to help themselves. Huge cancer!

That was one of the reasons they changed the laws here, it's less expensive to help the people that want to stop using drugs than trying to rehabilitate those already hooked.

Huge waste of law enforcement resources at every level, including incarceration - huge cancer.

I think it was something like 60% of all inmates in Portugal were there for crimes related to drug use.

People killed and injured in accidents related to recreational drug use.

That's something that the promoters of recreational drug use avoid talking about. Yes, marijuana may not be toxic as alcohol, but someone under their influence is not in the full use of their body as they would be, so accidents happen.

[rdunk]

Rdunk...do you think perhaps that you could attempt to refrain from being so completely and disastrously wrong about literally every opinion you express?

I didn't say anything wrong in my last post. Most any 5th grader would know that! Of course, I don't know what you are "suggesting" that is in your opinion "wrong". Everything I said is basically fact of current circumstance, except I choose to use the word "cancer", relative to speaking about the people problems associated with the use of recreational drugs.

No fruitbat, I have never even tried any recreational drugs/hard drugs, as I learned better than to do that early in life. But, I have personally witnessed its results in others, coming and going.  Yes, I would "lay a dime on you",or anyone else, that I suspected of breaking the law, because the use of all drugs has a domino affect that must remain intolerable, until the laws are changed!

With that said, I have also said in other threads here, that what is being done about drugs "ain't work'in", and  paradigm changes are needed. Making some of the drugs cheap and legal (which I am for) would solve many of the noted/related "cancer" issues. In addition, that likely might become a means of population control, until people can become sufficiently educated to know drugs are not a good thing for the human body!

Certainly any of the countries who have already made such paradigm changes should be source data examples for the U.S. and others in formulating plans for change.

ArMaP, it sounds as if Portugal has made significant progress with the people, in making these changes!! That is good!! 

[deuem]

Typical American Pot Smokers...

Yea, you got it....Guy with skate board "Did I open that door, wooow dude, you can fly"

I bet if you had 2 armies facing each other ready to kill and then a ref blew his whistle and said "Stop, you guys have to smoke this ton of green stuff before you fight"  After an hour there would be no fight, they would all be singing songs and asking where the cooks are. Now, do that same senerio with booze and only the last man will be standing. Booze makes many angry people turn into animals that like to fight while the green stuff clams them down. Next war, drop joints, not bombs. Everyone is happy.

About the crimes, there are crimes here and none of them are drug related that I know of. Crime has to do with a person wanting more than they can afford. The green stuff went from 10USD to 300USD. Bring it back down and people will be able to afford it with out crimes. I never heard of anyone doing a B&E to buy a pack of smokes.

It is all a lie to keep big money in their pockets and not yours. They created the drug wars, not the hippies. The hippies were to busy finding a 7-11. No one I knew went from Pot to harder drugs looking for a better high. Many of the users went straight to other drugs because they did not smoke at the time also because they had other problems like hooked on meds and they ran out.

Lies, all lies....................

[robomont]

[A51Watcher]

Rdunk...do you think perhaps that you could attempt to refrain from being so completely and disastrously wrong about literally every opinion you express?

Petrus -

Do you think you could provide a cogent argument as to why you think rdunk is wrong?

If you can provide logical points and defend them, then do so.


Your comment comes with nothing to back it up, just a snarky opinion.

It only demonstrates how ill mannered and ill bred your behavior is.



At least rdunk manages to operate and express his opinions in forums without being a total dick.

We expect as much from ALL members.

[Elvis Hendrix]

Bravo 51.

[petrus4]

Do you think you could provide a cogent argument as to why you think rdunk is wrong?

The video itself does.  It is a documentary about a man, Rick Simpson, who has used hemp oil to cure numerous different forms of cancer.

If you can provide logical points and defend them, then do so.

I do this on a regular basis, as attested to by several of the other members here.

[robomont]

this issue has politicized so much over the last seventy five years that its hard to have a decent conversation.i straddle both sides of the fence.i have a brother who is always strung out on something and im usually high on pot myself.the older generation is cose minded due to the continual brainwashing of how alcohol makes one manly while all other forms of entertainment are stupid.just shows how well corporations can influence a whole generation into being robots of obedience.imho the country is not decending into chaos but is finding its real center.
we see the same similar situation with ufos.the egyptians had the tech wrapped up in mystery and religion.so did the vimanas.now the usa a hundred years later is using corporations to hide the tech and pay people to distort the truth.while the sheep blindly follow along.snitching to their slave masters.it is this blind obedience that is the true downfall of a country.as it blocks out common sense.

[Fruitbat]

Rdunk, If I read your reply correctly you suggest that you would be willing to report your pot smoking neighbour to the federales.

Now, If that pot smoking neighbour was me in the 90's, here's how constructive your actions would have been.

I was holding down a job which required me to leave the house at 07:30, and drive 75 miles to work to arrive for 09:00. I would work a ten hour day and drive back home returning at around 21:00. Then I would relieve my poor partner who had been looking after our child and after a brief bit of "daddy time" then I would put her to bed. I would sit down then, and relax with a pipe or two.

Suddenly, the front door flies off it's hinges and the special bastard squad acting upon your infornmation would burst in, and search the house, before carrying me off  be charged. The long term consequences would have been that I would have effectively become instantly unemployable, putting my family onto state benefits. My employer would have lost a productive and hard working employee, and I would have entered the criminal justice system. Being the way I am , I would have taken to a life of crime rather than endure endless unemployment, and YOU, matey, would have some serious retribution coming your way...

As it is there's already one twat out there who owes his continued existence to my pot habit. He burned my house/boat (because he is a psycho, and I was unlucky) and the police did F.A. about it. Topping him would definitely do society a favour as well as evening the score, and on my pot free days, my thoughts do go that way..

Pot keeps my viciousness in check, and feeds my conscience, and I like it that way. So should you!

Fortunately, I have always had better neighbours than you. Long may it continue.

FB.

[petrus4]

I know people will tell me that I should just leave this alone, but I need to say something else, here.

A51, I know you have a vendetta against me.  I know you think that I am an irredeemably hateful individual.  So I am going to ask you to do something for me, if you are willing.



I want you to go and watch the above film, from beginning to end, and then come back and tell me, that as someone who is trying to promote that type of information here, in response to rdunk's claim that marijuana actually causes cancer, I am a hateful person.

What rdunk said hit a nerve.  I will admit it.  It hurt.  Marijuana should not still be illegal, AT ALL.  I read on a daily basis about people with any number of different medical conditions who are helped by it, and it is still only illegal purely on the basis of the sorts of lies and misconceptions which were quoted here.  If you don't believe that, I can find you any number of cases.

Misinformation about marijuana hurts me, because despite how it might appear to many of you, I care about people.  If I did not, then our impending, at least potential extinction as a species would not be upsetting me anywhere near as much as it does.  If you are trying to understand why I seem to be in such a bad mood all the time, then that is the answer; I am in a state of almost continual grief, and despair.

I am not expecting to change A51's opinion of me, even though this is addressed to him.  He made up his mind about me a long time ago.  I know, however, that there are people here who are sympathetic towards me, and will hear this.

Also, rdunk, if you are willing to change your own opinion about marijuana, then I do genuinely apologise.  Please, however, attempt to discover some of the facts.