Clementine images

[deuem]

Because they are not oil wells but black sand geysers   The CO2 ice warms from the bottom up so the gas pressure levitates the ice... then as holes melt in the ice the gas pressure blows these black sand geysers

According to NASA

I for one do like that idea, it comes the closest to what I presented before. A gas plume with fine particles dropping. I wrote that before you posted the NASA answer, so I did not know. I also wrote that that whole hill is active and seems wet, Did NASA say anything about the hill?

Deuem

[Eighthman]

I'm thinking that a black sand geyser should create a black sand hill. Lots of them.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

So what's the verdict, Clementine or Mars?....geyser's or blurred photos? Oldtimers verus Newtimers? What the hey?

Rock...

[ArMaP]

I also wrote that that whole hill is active and seems wet, Did NASA say anything about the hill?

I don't think that'a a hill, as those "geysers" exist only near the poles (or just the south pole, the more active of the two).

And yes, that photo is from Mars.

[ArMaP]

I'm thinking that a black sand geyser should create a black sand hill. Lots of them.

I agree, specially if we are talking about something that, supposedly, happens every year.

I think this is one of those cases where the scientists prefer to point to something as the explanation instead of saying that they don't have any idea of what that thing may be.

[The Seeker]

Deuem, What Z is referring to is those such as Mike Singh that constantly searched and found new anomalies to analyze, instead of constantly re-hashing old material that has reached a dead-end and turning into a constant pissing match over them...


Zorgon, in case you missed it, Russo actually made a post on Comet Ison...


seeker

[rdunk]

There are anomalies aplenty on Mars, and probably on the Moon, that are not blurred nor smudged, and are yet to be found. And Deuem I agree with you in part. Really blurred images due to over magnification/pixelation are a waste of time to post. "Partially" smudged images such as we have been looking at here can present a very interesting chapter to NASA's "killing of anomalies", and do deserve our attention

And just for the record, I have never posted an anomaly that I didn't find in my own research, here nor anywhere else.

And........we probably should knowingly orient our thinking relative to anomalous items - what is our objective? Are we simply trying to build our collection of off-world anomalies we each have found?? I think "not at all"! We are striving to establish a foundation of proof for off-world intelligent design, performed at the hands of whomever, and openly inform the world of such! Our anomalies are at the core of our ability to make that happen. And I believe that finding such anomalies has been done, and is being done, in spite of the generally negative skeptical influence directed at such.

It does seem that the venue(s) for getting the public/world informed are a bit ineffective - simply posting to the Living Moon Forum does not get the word out for anomalous/intelligent design finds, nor for advanced technology determinations. Z, you probably have a plan for making such happen, but some of us may not be as aware of that as we might should be. 

PS - I do think it worthwhile to post the finds of others, such as Elvis did here. I certainly learned some things as a result of this post, as probably did others - such is all a part of getting the world informed!!

[deuem]

Deuem, What Z is referring to is those such as Mike Singh that constantly searched and found new anomalies to analyze, instead of constantly re-hashing old material that has reached a dead-end and turning into a constant pissing match over them...
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seeker

Seeker, I played anomaly tag with one of the best, Willese, he is a member here. I think he has posted more anomalies than anyone on the net. Hundreds of pages. It has a tendency to burn one out, scouting though thousands of NASA images to find the quirks. He burnt out several times because no one paid attention, except a few. the same few. Since he was honest about them it brought him no fame, no fortune, nothing but headaches and tons of work.

I researched a hundred of photos one time just to back up one single anomaly and what it was. Lets see, we found blurs, scratches, film parts, over exposure, under exposure, bugs, bug eggs, larva, tape. finger prints, fakes, UFOs, strange clouds, orbs, critters, military craft, space junk, cgi, lost prints, re-worked prints a week later,  calls from NASA asking to stop [ck with will on that one] missiles, comets, dust, water drops, reflections, multi light sources and tons more I forget to list. This went on for a very long time. Will, could make 2 or 3 Greer movies.

Lets see, we did all the NASA & world manned shots, the labs in space, the moon, the sun and some of Mars. So as a research group, what are we after? to prove it is all fake, to agree with NASA, to prove there is life out there and being held from us. Kinda, what is our goal here? We all take a goal. Let the best one win?

Sarge, I think Mars is the one to go after, from the Earth to the Moon has been done to death. If we get new photos from the Chinese or Indians that are real and very hi-res then the moon might be worth a second look.

On the black geysers I think it is black particles more like a fine powder rather than sand. Send in a rover. Mars is a large planet, it will take years. A PRC floating rover than can go more than a few hundred meters would be nice. Drop a few hundred rover drone balloons all over the planet.

Deuem

[ArMaP]

There are anomalies aplenty on Mars, and probably on the Moon, that are not blurred nor smudged, and are yet to be found.

I agree, and that's why I think the more people we have looking at the real photos the better.

"Partially" smudged images such as we have been looking at here can present a very interesting chapter to NASA's "killing of anomalies", and do deserve our attention

I agree partially with that.
Yes, they deserve our attention, but I see very little investigation regarding those images, I see mostly blind acceptance of what other people have said.

And just for the record, I have never posted an anomaly that I didn't find in my own research, here nor anywhere else.

I know, that's what I like in your work.

We are striving to establish a foundation of proof for off-world intelligent design, performed at the hands of whomever, and openly inform the world of such!

And that's what I don't like in your work, as I think that we shouldn't approach this (or any) investigation looking for the confirmation or denial of specific ideas/theories, we should still be in the data gathering stage, so we could get as most consistent data as possible.

Our anomalies are at the core of our ability to make that happen. And I believe that finding such anomalies has been done, and is being done, in spite of the generally negative skeptical influence directed at such.

Sceptical influence shouldn't be negative or positive, it should just point that there may be other explanations. We all should be sceptical of our own conclusions.
(If you see me having a negative influence in any case, just tell me about it, but please try to be specific about what I am doing wrong, just saying that I don't see it doesn't help)

It does seem that the venue(s) for getting the public/world informed are a bit ineffective - simply posting to the Living Moon Forum does not get the word out for anomalous/intelligent design finds, nor for advanced technology determinations.

I think it's too early for that, even if we find clear signs of something that shouldn't be there (whatever the "there" may be), as it will be mixed with the other reports of people that accept any thing they don't understand as a sign of intelligent life.
We need something more, but I don't really know what could make people (and mostly the media) change their minds.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

I'm beginning to think the effort is totally a waste of time. In the beginning (I like that), there were photos with strange areas that couldn't be outright explained and chalked up to bad resolution photos, the angle of the sun, and humma, gumma,goo...
The early photos where there were obvious anomalies that TPTB, didn't want you to see, were 'doctored' to hide these anomalies. At that time no one thought that every Tom, Dick & Harry would have a private powerful computer to analyze these photos, hence the 'Hunt for the Red Anomaly'.

Now they are on to us, those that believe that something 'else' is going on, we who look and seach, and they are taking great pains to either not release the really good stuff or hide what they can hide. And they've become very good at the latter. Every now and again they make a mistake and release something that shouldn't have been, i.e. the wooden timber on Mars..OOPS!!!

This is what I believe....

There are structures on the moon, minning operations and beings living there.

There is a Secret Space Program and a Naval Operational Fleet....

Mars has been inhabited for a very long time and not just by Humans...

Stargates ARE real...

I will continue to look for the abnormal, anomalous on the Moon,,maybe Mars....
I will continue to high light what I think I see..
I will continue to download as many photos and documents I can find on the above....

to what end?

To satisfy my curiosity....(I'm not out to convince anyone anymore, you either believe or not)


I don't know what else to say, except from the first part of this post...That I really, really don't think its a waste of time...
I always want to know more......

Peace
Rock...

[ArMaP]

Lets see, we did all the NASA & world manned shots, the labs in space, the moon, the sun and some of Mars. So as a research group, what are we after? to prove it is all fake, to agree with NASA, to prove there is life out there and being held from us. Kinda, what is our goal here? We all take a goal. Let the best one win?

I don't know about other people's goal, my goal is to get the most real data I can, so anyone can use it to try to understand what is going on.

[ArMaP]

Well, I'm set to receive Clementine Photos, if anyone has some....plenty of room...

You can get them from here, the original images are in the first block, under the "Mission to the Moon: Experiment Data Record Image Archive" header.

All missions archived in the Planetary Data System follow the same organisation, in which the EDR images are the images as sent by the spacecraft.

The other sections show processed images (I think they are in IMG format), with, for example, composite colour images made from the photos for the individual wavelengths.

The EDR images occupy 88 CD-ROMs (I have them in 12 DVDs), so they do not take up much space in today's computers.

PS: all the images in the Clementine EDR archive can be opened by NASAView, a free download from the PDS, here, although they ask for a name and email address.

[ArMaP]

As for how many photos were published, I have (ignoring the star tracker cameras) 1,893,940, distributed like this:

600582 from the HIRES camera;
304347 from the LWIR camera;
388661 from the NIR camera;
600350 from the UVVIS camera.

[ArMaP]

I always want to know more......

And that's the best thing we can do.

[deuem]

As for how many photos were published, I have (ignoring the star tracker cameras) 1,893,940, distributed like this:

600582 from the HIRES camera;

If you spent 2 minutes on each one that would take you 24 hours a day 2.2 years to look at them all.
I can see this for map makng but to look at each one. Ouch!

Mars has been inhabited for a very long time and not just by Humans

I for myself have no solid answer on this , maybe WAS by them and should be by us. Would like to get some better proof if possible. If we spend time on Mars I think we should look into the areas that still have a magnetic field. We are told it is scattered all over the planet and no longer uniform. ArMaP, do you know if the MSL is in one of these fields?

need to get that mapped out better to see where the areas are in relation to photos.

Deuem