Is academic science stupid to dismiss UFO reports?

[rdunk]

Actually, it seems that the biggest part of this problem, is we the people, where ever we are, are willing to "accept" actions by persons and parties that are outright direct lies of fraud and deception about a thing. It is our fault! We continue to allow it. There is absolutely no acceptable basis for governments to lie to the people. When a President lies to the people, or what he says turn out to be "lies", as has ours has recently been doing, he or she should be quickly fired/impeached. When we put up with it, that just encourages more.

Should be a firmly written law that any person working for any position of government employment is absolutely required to be truthful in all matters - ALL MATTERS while being paid by the people, including subcontractors and all military. Any violation would be found in contempt of such laws and immediate dismissal with felonious level charges to be imposed. Right now the lying just seems to be a part of this big game being played, and "the suckers "R" us"! We need to stop the lying, including all of such even for "consideration of what is thought best for the people"!! There is no basis of humanity nor security to cause "lying to the people"!!

Once we can cause that to happen, we likely will start getting a different story on a lot of subjects. We are going to be able to start with NASA pretty soon, as they have been lying to us for quite a long time now!! To catch the liars, we do have to catch them spot on! And when that happens, the cover must come off!!

[robomont]

I agree rdunk but it wont happen.especially if aliens are real.never show all your cards.but it better to say nothing than to lie.

[undo11]

he is so cute. i love his einstein hair and rosy cheeks lol and he's always so happy and upbeat

[deuem]

I also like him and his attitude towards his subject, very upbeat! You can feel him. He can keep the head hawk hair cut. Maybe it's a girl thing. I thought he was more believable when he had more normal hair. This style distracts from what he is saying. I keep looking at his hair and laughing. Did he stick a wet finger in a socket? ZAP.
Deuem

[Pimander]

We are going to be able to start with NASA pretty soon, as they have been lying to us for quite a long time now!! To catch the liars, we do have to catch them spot on! And when that happens, the cover must come off!!

rdunk, can you see this area?

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?board=145.0

We were trying to encourage scepticism as far as NASA are concerned but people rarely post there.

Personally, I don't think everyone at NASA are in on a big conspiracy.  I do think that NASA have tried to play down certain matters.  I am open minded about some of the rumours regarding ET contact.  They must know more than us regarding Plasma Critters etc.  I also think that some of the "structures" on the Moon look more suspicious than ArMaP believes but have not seen what I'd call proof of ancient ET or human bases (although there have likely been secret Moon missions IMO but not by NASA).

I do think NASA are a waste of money.  They have done lots of worthwhile work but it has all cost far too much.  If ESA (European Space Agency) had the funding NASA have had we would have a Mars colony by now.

If you don't have access to that section let me know and I'll change your permissions.  It isn't about Jesus though (joking).  

[rdunk]

rdunk, can you see this area?

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?board=145.0

We were trying to encourage scepticism as far as NASA are concerned but people rarely post there.

Personally, I don't think everyone at NASA are in on a big conspiracy.  I do think that NASA have tried to play down certain matters.  I am open minded about some of the rumours regarding ET contact.  They must know more than us regarding Plasma Critters etc.  I also think that some of the "structures" on the Moon look more suspicious than ArMaP believes but have not seen what I'd call proof of ancient ET or human bases (although there have likely been secret Moon missions IMO but not by NASA).

I do think NASA are a waste of money.  They have done lots of worthwhile work but it has all cost far too much.  If ESA (European Space Agency) had the funding NASA have had we would have a Mars colony by now.

If you don't have access to that section let me know and I'll change your permissions.  It isn't about Jesus though (joking).

- Yes, I do have access to that forum area.

Actually, I have found what I consider to be almost a holy grail for proof of NASA's on-going deception in the photos they release. And this could be huge toward the complete revelation of their lying and fraudulent actions of the first order!! Yes, "fraud is a correct word for NASA's actions"

fraud  [frawd]

1. deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage.

2. a particular instance of such deceit or trickery

3. any deception, trickery, or humbug

4. a person who makes deceitful pretenses; sham; poseur.

I actually am just waiting on Z for photo capability to post it. However, as my information relates to Mars, I have planned to make that post in "The Living Moon" forum area, in the "Living Moon Conspiracy Talk" board, as that seems to fit with the "NASA conspiracy" to be revealed in my post.  Pi, I can post it in either place??

Of course, since you mentioned it, I guess I could make such post in the "Religion Area", which could result in more people wanting access to that "MEMBER RESTRICTED AREA"!! (joking)

[Pimander]

rdunk, Whichever you post in is cool.  I don't think people on this site care about the NASA stuff Z and I were posting so good luck.

http://godfatherpolitics.com/12477/military-test-microwave-weapon-successfully-knocks-electronics/

They would also make most cars and planes inoperable and modern digital cameras.  High powered microwaves also have profound effects on consciousness and well known effects like not being frozen to the spot or losing your memory become not so mysterious.

Speaking of microwaves, where is that Kirtland picture that got me banned from ATS by the wife of someone in the AF?

Does anyone know more than very little about Kirtland AFB?  (Zorgon, do you have more than your old material?)

[Somamech]

Was that the Kirkland AF base Exhuberent and Zorgon ran on ATS?

If so it should be on the main site ? 

[Pimander]

I saw that already.  Wondering who knows what.

[Somamech]

That is a good question Pim



 

[Somamech]

Is this the one Pim ?

Someone had to "Know Something" to share this info that's for sure, as it's not MSM CT fodder thats for sure

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/Kirtland_AFB_Camouflaged_New.html

[Pimander]

The picture was one of a strange atmospheric effect near Kirtland AFB.  I think it might be linked to that building but perhaps another Kirtland complex.

[Pimander]

Perhaps they are slits for UFOs to fly through. 

Or for Paul Bennewitz to walk into looking for an alien base?  Maybe that is where they recycle conspiracy theorists?  Or the might  even be openings to allow beam weapons to cool?

Does anyone know?

[WarToad]

Is this the one Pim ?

Someone had to "Know Something" to share this info that's for sure, as it's not MSM CT fodder thats for sure

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/Kirtland_AFB_Camouflaged_New.html

That building is the "High Energy Microwave Laboratory " building.


and it houses the "Shiva Star" project.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_Star

[WarToad]

The picture was one of a strange atmospheric effect near Kirtland AFB.  I think it might be linked to that building but perhaps another Kirtland complex.

Any atmospheric lighting you see in that area may be due to a laser facility just 2 klicks down the road is the "Starfire Optical Range" which has a pretty high power sodium laser it fires off for testing.