Would Dinosaurs have become Humanoid if they had not been wiped out ?

[deuem]

Do scientist really say that? I think that what they say is that we usually don't use more than 10% or 15% of our brains in any given moment, but we use all parts of the brain.

It's even possible that we don't use it all because of how "expensive" it is to make the brain work, 20% of the energy our bodies use is used by the brain.

I don't know ArMaP, I know a lot of people that seem to use less than 5%.

If it is expensive to use, then why have it? Ok say 20% and the brain cash is flowing. Still got another 80% just taking up space. Now take that 20% or what ever number you want to use and stuff it in a Raptors head and you got one dino on the planet equal to us. Even though our brains seem to have room to grow into the 80%, we are not using it yet. So any animal that is capable of doing the 20% full bore brain usage would be as developed as we think we are now. Using 20% at 100% would be fantastic. No dead space.  What i am getting to here is it is not so much the size of the brain, it is how it is used.

We have a brain that can go 100mph or kmh yet we are stuck in traffic diong 10mph/kmh where ever we go. The 90 to 80% is just extra gray weight at the moment. Look at CPUs, they are getting smaller not larger and gettin smarter. I don't think size matters as much as they tell us. The ability to use what you have matters more. A big lump of gray matter does not make you inteligent unles you use it. It just grows until it fills up the scull. Now what made our skulls larger? Aliens with big heads? Gotta love that question.......Maybe some day our brains will actually use all that space the skull gives it. Or maybe it would just get too hot from energy usage and tend to overload, trip a few breakers.

Deuem

[zorgon]

Do scientist really say that? I think that what they say is that we usually don't use more than 10% or 15% of our brains in any given moment, but we use all parts of the brain.

Well it is funny how the internet changes things

Years ago scientists said the average person uses only 5% of his brain while a genius uses about 10-15% of his brain.

Today you see it and its the 10% figure for all and skeptics will say its a MYTH

Well what they MEANT was CAPACITY FOR THOUGHT not PHYSICAL SPACE of brain matter. Yes the entire brain is functioning all the time. If it wasn't it would die off.

But you can have a 100 terabyte computer that is capable of running a 1000 tasks simultaneously but you are only using it to calculate your meager budget and play some video games


SOME scientists are saying average people are only using 1% of capacity

I have met many in that category

[astr0144]

Some interesting additional content & discussion..

Thanks for posting the links & Images Zorgon...

I had a feeling that you had some images or had done a similar thread somewhere....

Very thought provoking ! 

[ArMaP]

I don't know ArMaP, I know a lot of people that seem to use less than 5%.

Yes, I know many like that.

If it is expensive to use, then why have it? Ok say 20% and the brain cash is flowing. Still got another 80% just taking up space.

It's not taking space, all of it is used.

[deuem]

Yes, I know many like that.
It's not taking space, all of it is used.

If it is not at 100% then it is taking up space.  80% of empty disk drives are just sitting there being fed O2 just so it won't die off. If a trickle of electricity fire though it once in awhile just to keep it alive does not count. Take the 5 to 20% compress to full use and pack it in a dinos head and whala. Smart Dino, smaller skull. Very smart.

[ArMaP]

If it is not at 100% then it is taking up space.

If you are not using your left hand do you think it's only taking up space?

[zorgon]

The question is though does the brain evolve first or does it grow as you develop.  Why would a dino brain not develop as it learns just like ours does?

Since they were wiped out before they got anywhere there is no way to say they could not have become smart

Our brain today is certainly more functional that a caveman's was... So we need to look at the brain of primitive man compared to one of modern man

And remember the first slow computers were HUGE... today they are getting smaller but more developed

[ArMaP]

Since they were wiped out before they got anywhere there is no way to say they could not have become smart.

Most birds, crocodiles and turtles are not famous by their intelligence and they are the result of the evolution of the surviving dinosaurs.

[Norval]

, , then there are those that accept that we are a created species. 


Years, , uhmmm  decades ago, I knew a buy that was a Boeing engineer that had a family, and was good at chees when we played, and then he had an accident that turned him into a 10 year old for the rest of his life.

His brain scan after the accident showed that he had only about a 1/4 inch of grey mater all around the inside of his skull. Less than 10% of normal brain mass.

Yah all can look that up on the net. 

[deuem]

Most birds, crocodiles and turtles are not famous by their intelligence and they are the result of the evolution of the surviving dinosaurs.

I think they are more of a result to which bodies they got stuck in. How large the sculls are and if they can problem slove. Many Birds, crocs and turtles can problem solve better that a lot of humans can. They have to or die. When faced with life and death, the brain either solves a proplem or you die off. Many animals have died off because of this when things lke the weather or food changes and they can not react. While others did react and moved on.

And yes I use my left hand/arm all the time where parts of the brain just run on idle. A lot of unused space in there I try to fill daily. Take a look at ants. They are some of the best problem solvers on the planet. Their problem is no fingers with thumbs or we would all be ant food. With thumbs we are able to solve more complex problems that train the brain even more.

I think humans are also capable of setting up stronger suport groups than other animals. In todays world if you removed all human support structure and placed 100 humans in the wild with nothing, then maybe 90% of them would die off. Only the best problem solvers in the group would make it.

With natures animals more than 50% survive. We know how to leach on each other while others do not. I leach on other humans every day to survive. Meaning I depend on their skills to produce things I can no longer do myself and they do me. Some animals do this but only within small groups. We took it world wide. So the ability to problem solve is the key for us, thumbs help and the size of the skull just gives room for the gray matter to fill it up. What is at the core of all of this is where inteligence comes to play. I see no reason why a dino with the right stuff could not have solved as many problems and end up standing right next to you as your boss.

Rather it be evolution, God or Aliens changing DNA, I see no real reason for excluding them as a possibility. They also had the right stuff to make the jump.

deuem

[ArMaP]

I think humans are also capable of setting up stronger suport groups than other animals. In todays world if you removed all human support structure and placed 100 humans in the wild with nothing, then maybe 90% of them would die off. Only the best problem solvers in the group would make it.

Without any "support group" I would have died when I 5, as there's not substitute that I know for getting oxygen. I haven't solved that problem.

[deuem]

Without any "support group" I would have died when I 5, as there's not substitute that I know for getting oxygen. I haven't solved that problem.

Ok one of seems lost, say it is me.  Let me try again. Humans work together to assist each other. The baker makes the bread. The smith makes the horse shoes. The garbage man hauls away the trash, the Doctor gives you medicine and the teacher teaches you. This is the support group I am talking about.

Socity has risen to a point where almost every person on earth now needs to leach on someone eles talents. We all live within this giant common ground socity we can humans. Everyday of my life I have the need to use something(s) that other people did for me. Like my TV. I can surly turn it on and use it but there is now way on this earth that I could build one from scratch by myself without plans and many other tools that other people had made also.

Do you understand that?

Now take 100 humans from all walks of life. Strip them naked down to the flesh and put them in a place where there is a chance of survival. Tree, fruits, game, plants and so on.  How many of the 100 people would survive. The rules are they can not work together, they are spread out and on their own. Maybe husband and wife teams are OK. So lets say 50 teams.

I am saying that most every team would die. They can no longer deal with life the way wild animals do every day. The independant survival skills are now gone. So in a lot of ways even if we think our big sculled brains are so smart, when we are left without the social assistance we would die.

Did Dinos assist each other? Did they work for the betterment of the heard. Lions do this, why not Dinos. Chances are that if the Raptors were meat eaters then enough protien go to the brain to cause it to perk up and become self aware and inteligent. As inteligent as the common earth human.

It is only a hand full of people world wide that put rockets in space. A very high percentage of humans still can't read or write. Consider yourself lucky if you can. In a part of Deuems Book, you are the elite by comparision.

Deuem

[Norval]

So nobody wants to touch the fact that mankind can lead a perfectly normal life with less that 10% brain mass?  Ok, , ,   

Would Dinosaurs have become Humanoid if they had not been wiped out ?

I highly doubt it. They were not designed that way.

[ArMaP]

So nobody wants to touch the fact that mankind can lead a perfectly normal life with less that 10% brain mass?

No, because that's not true.

Would Dinosaurs have become Humanoid if they had not been wiped out ?

I highly doubt it. They were not designed that way.

No, the surviving species became birds, crocodiles and turtles.

[rdunk]

No, because that's not true.
No, the surviving species became birds, crocodiles and turtles.

And who accepts as fact that birds, crocs, and turtles came from what we term as dinosaurs?

Probably the greater question is, like, where did dinos come from in the first place.  If one believes that a single cell over eons of morphing through various stages of DNA development and life-forms finally reached the form of a dino, how can one know that the dino didn't morph FROM the human species somewhere back down the line, in its beginning?? And survival of the fittest may should be the more broad point of actual evolutionary production thinking?! Did all of the animals morph up the line from the human species? Are apes, chimps, monkeys, and gorillas all formed up the DNA/genetic line from the human species, rather than the reverse. as science supposes it??

So, with that, I have talked myself into the real answer for the OP question - NO, the dinos would not become humanoid, because that would mean possibly going backwards in their genetic development!!