Malaysia flight 370 Where is it?

[sky otter]

My imaginary stowaway

ok you modified your post.. it is now more clear what you were doing
originaly you had only copied my post

[The Seeker]

fruitbat
i think you have the wrong thread...unless you are purposely trying to be disruptive
and deuem's answer only mysifies me more

do you guys know something we have missed or what?

I agree, sky; I do not remember anything previous about two dead Navy Seals or 20 tons of gold...

Fruitbat, care to enlighten us?


seeker

[sky otter]

well here is yet another theory
..my brain just has question marks left...so why not..maybe it was hit by lightning ..? ?  ?


As leads hit dead-end, QUESTION MARKS dog M'sian govt claims of foul play on MH370

Written by Chris Goodfellow
Wednesday, 19 March 2014 09:00



Over the past 10 days, investigators and observers have come up with ever-more elaborate theories for what might have happened to Malaysia Airways Flight 370.

What was originally assumed to have been a tragic mid-air explosion or mechanical problem soon bloomed into a criminal investigation of a meticulously planned hijacking, commandeering, or otherwise stealing of a fully loaded commercial 777 in mid-air.

The perpetrator(s) knew the plane so well, one of the latest theories goes, that they climbed through a trap door outside the cockpit to reach circuit breakers necessary to shut down one of the communication's systems. They shut down the transponder. They made the plane disappear and fooled the world into thinking it had crashed. They flew one of two "arcs" for 7 hours — a "southern route" over the Indian Ocean on which, eventually, they crashed the plane in the ocean in a complicated suicide, and a "northern route" in which, perhaps, they slipped past land-based radar, flew to a destination in central Asia, and landed, perhaps preparing to use the plane again soon for a terrorist attack or other mission. This latter plan was executed so flawlessly, one observer theorized, that Flight 370 slipped in behind another commercial airliner for much of the route so as not to be noticed on radar.

Or maybe the plane was "cyber-hijacked."

The pilots' houses have been searched. Terrorist connections have been probed. Passenger backgrounds and possible motives have been scrutinized. And still, 10 days after the plane disappeared, we know nothing.

Perhaps that's because we're over-thinking it.

Really, have we been over-thinking it?


A few days ago, a former pilot named Chris Goodfellow articulated an entirely different theory on Google+.

This theory fits the facts.

And it's one of the most plausible yet:

> Shortly after takeoff, as Malaysia 340 was flying out over the ocean, smoke began filling the cockpit, perhaps from a tire on the front landing gear that had ignited on takeoff

> The flight's captain immediately did exactly what he had been trained to do: Find the closest airport and turn the plane toward it so he could land.

> The closest appropriate airport was called Pulau Langkawi. It had a massive 13,000-foot runway. The captain programmed the destination into the flight computer. The auto-pilot turned the plane west and put it on a course right for the runway

> The captain and co-pilot tried to find the source of the smoke and fire, but it soon filled the cockpit and overwhelmed them (a tire fire would do this). It also shorted out cockpit systems one by one, including the transponder. The pilots passed out or died.

> With no one awake to instruct the auto-pilot to land, the plane kept flying on its last programmed course... right over Pulau Langkawi and out over the Indian Ocean. Eventually, 6 or 7 hours after the incident, it ran out of fuel and crashed.

> This theory fits the facts. It makes sense. It explains the manual course change as well as the "pings" that a satellite kept hearing from the plane. It requires no fantastically brilliant pre-planning or execution or motives


MH370 A different point of view: Pulau Langkawi 13,000 foot runway

A lot of speculation about MH370. Terrorism, hijack, meteors. I cannot believe the analysis on CNN – almost disturbing. I tend to look for a more simple explanation of this event.

Loaded 777 departs midnight from Kuala to Beijing. Hot night. Heavy aircraft. About an hour out across the gulf towards Vietnam the plane goes dark meaning the transponder goes off and secondary radar tracking goes off.

Two days later we hear of reports that Malaysian military radar (which is a primary radar meaning the plane is being tracked by reflection rather than by transponder interrogation response) has tracked the plane on a southwesterly course back across the Malay Peninsula into the straits of Malacca.

When I heard this I immediately brought up Google Earth and I searched for airports in proximity to the track towards southwest.

The left turn is the key here. This was a very experienced senior Captain with 18,000 hours. Maybe some of the younger pilots interviewed on CNN didn't pick up on this left turn. We old pilots were always drilled to always know the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us and airports ahead of us. Always in our head. Always. Because if something happens you don't want to be thinking what are you going to do – you already know what you are going to do. Instinctively when I saw that left turn with a direct heading I knew he was heading for an airport. Actually he was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi a 13,000 foot strip with an approach over water at night with no obstacles. He did not turn back to Kuala Lumpur because he knew he had 8,000 foot ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier towards Langkawi and also a shorter distance.

Pilot did all the right things

Take a look on Google Earth at this airport. This pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make that immediate turn back to the closest safe airport.

For me the loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense if a fire. There was most likely a fire or electrical fire. In the case of fire the first response if to pull all the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one.

If they pulled the busses the plane indeed would go silent. It was probably a serious event and they simply were occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the fire. Aviate, Navigate and lastly communicate. There are two types of fires. Electrical might not be as fast and furious and there might or might not be incapacitating smoke. However there is the possibility given the timeline that perhaps there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires and it blew on takeoff and started slowly burning. Yes this happens with underinflated tires. Remember heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long run takeoff. There was a well known accident in Nigeria of a DC8 that had a landing gear fire on takeoff. A tire fire once going would produce horrific incapacitating smoke. Yes, pilots have access to oxygen masks but this is a no no with fire. Most have access to a smoke hood with a filter but this will only last for a few minutes depending on the smoke level. (I used to carry one of my own in a flight bag and I still carry one in my briefcase today when I fly).

What I think happened is that they were overcome by smoke and the plane just continued on the heading probably on George (autopilot) until either fuel exhaustion or fire destroyed the control surfaces and it crashed. I said four days ago you will find it along that route – looking elsewhere was pointless.

This pilot, as I say, was a hero struggling with an impossible situation trying to get that plane to Langkawi. No doubt in my mind. That's the reason for the turn and direct route. A hijack would not have made that deliberate left turn with a direct heading for Langkawi. It would probably have weaved around a bit until the hijackers decided on where they were taking it...  - Business Insider



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[Fruitbat]

I agree, sky; I do not remember anything previous about two dead Navy Seals or 20 tons of gold...

Fruitbat, care to enlighten us?


seeker

2 words, Finger trouble. I edited my answer in as fast as I could but...
Just trying to work the problem, with you guys.
EDIT:
Oh and why in gods name would I be trying to be disruptive?
I think we all know that like any one form the cosmic token I need to be on my best behaviour here...

[spacemaverick]

With the new areas to search, it is said that over 2.4 million square miles will have been searched.  Digital Globe has brought up new search areas on some land and more water on their Tomnod crowdsourcing site.  I started in what appeared to be some jungle area.

http://www.tomnod.com/nod/

So far no wreckage.  If it was in the ocean there would be floating debris from luggage and other floatable items.  Remember TWA 800 and the debris?  I don't know what happened but I am sure someone does and is not telling.  It took Thailand 10 days before they finally revealed they may have caught it on radar.  I believe there are a number of nations in the area that would not admit how weak their air defenses really are so they hold back.  Malaysia has not been forthcoming with their information freely either.  So you guess is as good as mine.  There have been eyewitnesses to low flying airliners but one thing I learned in law enforcement is that eyewitnesses are not reliable.  Different people see different things and some people just want to be part of the action.

So many experts in the aviation world with so many ideas and probably all valid but no physical evidence to speak of which leaves conjecture.  Will we ever find out?

Wish our friend John Lear could chime in here with his expertise.

[burntheships]

2 words, Finger trouble. I edited my answer in as fast as I could but...
Just trying to work the problem, with you guys.

Adding links to verifiable information is always the
best idea, we are all expected to do that.

Now, as to the 2 Navy Seals what is the connection
to the Malay 370?

Yes, we have two dead Navy Seals under very very
suspicious circumstances, however the only connection
I can see here to the Malay flight is Diego Garcia.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/04/us/seychelles-maersk-deaths/

I like several others would love to hear the
what the supposed connection is, leaving
out the disinfo from Sorcha Faal.

[The Matrix Traveller]

ONE FACT remains, in spite of everything...

It puts into QUESTION just how good or NOT so good, our level of "Technology" really is ?

Are we really so "Technologically" advanced, as we are lead to believe ?   


In spite of our assumed "Technology", we can't even track successfully, one of our own aircraft,
on our own planet ?

What we are lead to believe regarding the level of our "Technology", and what the situation really is,
should be in Question !

IF I am wrong about this, then Something is being Hidden from not only the Public,
but other Governments as well !

[burntheships]

What we are lead to believe regarding the level of our "Technology", and what the situation really is,
should be in Question !

IF I am wrong about this, then Something is being Hidden from not only the Public,
but other Governments as well !

Indeed Matrix, much is being hidden.

[spacemaverick]

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/03/18/Report-Indonesia-Refuses-To-Allow-Search-For-Malaysian-Plane-In-Their-Airspace

Indonesia is refusing planes access to their air space.

Reporter Rupert Wingfield-Hayes visited Malaysia's capital, Kuala Lumpur, to find out why an apparently functional fleet of planes ready to fly over the Indian Ocean in search of the missing flight were grounded. Upon arriving, Hayes was told that Indonesia is refusing to allow Malaysia to fly over their territory, citing "international bureaucracy" that required Malaysia to file for special permissions in the area. Since the planes are of a military nature, they need special permissions to hit the skies, even in case of emergency.

Such bureaucracy grounded planes in Malaysia scheduled to fly over some of the areas where the plane had been suspected of flying over. The planes represented the multinational effort to find the missing flight; search planes from Japan, South Korea, and the United States were left unattended thanks to their inability to fly over the Indonesian island of Java

Sources have also told the Telegraph that Malaysian authorities' search of the pilot's flight simulator found in his home uncovered that the pilot had practiced landing on five runways in the Indian Ocean, including one in the Maldives. Chinese news outlet Xinhua also reports today that there is evidence of Thai officials seeing a plane on their radar that sufficiently resembles Flight 370 flying near their country on the night of its disappearance, adding more speculation that a search off the coasts of Australia is ill-founded.

[spacemaverick]

Indeed Matrix, much is being hidden.

Indeed things are being hidden.  Someone or some government has the capability but just not saying.  Imagine the benefit to mankind if what we or someone else has if we had access to it.  We can track all sorts of fish but lose a 777.  Really?  Wow!

[sky otter]

yeah.. it's going to get murkier and murkier...sigh

too many theories..too many gov.....oh crap

[Gigas]

1999 golfer Payne Stewart and crew took off in a Lear jet from Orlando to Texas where the pilot switched on the auto-pilot and the plane reached 39,000 feet .

A catastrophic event occurred and the cabin depressurized incapacitating everyone with death by hypoxia.

The plane flew by itself to north Dakota where it ran out a fuel and crashed, or so the story goes.

Is it possible the same event took the crew and passengers out on the mh370 and an AWACS took control of the disable plane. since its known the Boeing have that capability to be remotely controlled.

[spacemaverick]

1999 golfer Payne Stewart and crew took off in a Lear jet from Orlando to Texas where the pilot switched on the auto-pilot and the plane reached 39,000 feet .

A catastrophic event occurred and the cabin depressurized incapacitating everyone with death by hypoxia.

The plane flew by itself to north Dakota where it ran out a fuel and crashed, or so the story goes.

Is it possible the same event took the crew and passengers out on the mh370 and an AWACS took control of the disable plane. since its known the Boeing have that capability to be remotely controlled.

I remember the Payne Stewart accident.  An F-16 was scrambled within 10 minutes to go up and find out what was wrong.  The pilot found the windows iced over.  They had to let it fly until it finally spiraled in.

[deuem]

fruitbat
i think you have the wrong thread...unless you are purposely trying to be disruptive
and deuem's answer only mysifies me more

do you guys know something we have missed or what?

Nope, know nothing of this, just ran the math. A ton of gold is worth about 39+Million
First heard here by FB post. If his post is accurate then that is a lot of money. 800mil.

[ArMaP]

Are we really so "Technologically" advanced, as we are lead to believe ?   

I think people believe by themselves that technology will solve any problem, without any need to be lead.