Malaysia flight 370 Where is it?

[spacemaverick]

One thing that always irritated my wife is that I told her on many occasions that you can find an expert for any side of an argument.  The water continues to become even more muddy and the mystery deepens.  Good finds you all.  One of the things I do find disturbing is that there are other places that may be of interest to investigators but I haven't heard of any teams going to these places and really searching.  A good investigator will follow each lead to exhaustion until the mystery is solved or at least give it a good try.  I don't see that happening with this incident.  My biggest issue is that 2 major governments have excellent technology and refuse to release anything because it's classified.  Now, if they have nothing why not just say it?  It raises more issues when you say something is classified.  Why is the information relating to 370 classified.  See my earlier post on US saying the information is classified.  Earlier in the thread Australia said they had no information.  In between we have the aircraft and one listening post at Pine Gap and the other Diego Garcia with the livingmoom.com actually has shown us the type of satellites that are up there.  Somebody knows something and they are not telling.

Now the possible edits on the recordings.  Once again things smell fishy to me....but what do I know?

[The Matrix Traveller]

One possibility is, that the aircraft & Occupants vanished from what is BELIEVED to be reality ?

How many people simply disappear without a single trace, each year on Earth ?

[Amaterasu]

Aeroplanes are not "everything". 

Extrapolation is not Your strong suit, I take it, ArMaP.  Today it's planes, tomorrow there'll be another excuse for more surveillance.  Like the Social Security number:  It was sold to Us here in the states with the absolute assurances that it would NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER be used for identification.  And now, it's part of the ID requirements.  Same principle.

[Sinny]

Extrapolation is not Your strong suit, I take it, ArMaP.  Today it's planes, tomorrow there'll be another excuse for more surveillance.  Like the Social Security number:  It was sold to Us here in the states with the absolute assurances that it would NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER be used for identification.  And now, it's part of the ID requirements.  Same principle.

Just like our birth certs in the UK state that they are strictly NOT to be used as ID.
However to obtain 'legit' ID you need to use your Birth Cert as ID..

Ahha. 

[micjer]

They sure can.
Who published that?

Here is a link for you mate.

http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/18/flight-mh370-residents-on-remote-island-in-maldives-saw-jet-matching-missing-malaysia-airlines-planes-description-4640688/

[ArMaP]

Extrapolation is not Your strong suit, I take it, ArMaP.

It depends, if it's extrapolation to related things or to something completely different, as I'm not paranoid.

Today it's planes, tomorrow there'll be another excuse for more surveillance.

We will talk about that when it happens.

Like the Social Security number:  It was sold to Us here in the states with the absolute assurances that it would NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER be used for identification.  And now, it's part of the ID requirements.  Same principle.

Using something that uniquely identifies a person and saying that it is never going to be used for identification is not the same thing as a real-time tracking system for aeroplanes being used for something else.

PS: did you believe that Social Security number would never be used for identification?

[ArMaP]

Here is a link for you mate.

http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/18/flight-mh370-residents-on-remote-island-in-maldives-saw-jet-matching-missing-malaysia-airlines-planes-description-4640688/

Thanks.

I see that it says that the aeroplane was making a loud noise and moving from north to south-east, but, as far as I can see, there's nothing south-east of the Maldives.

[spacemaverick]

http://xrepublic.tv/node/8715

Girlfriend Of Passenger On Flight 370 Responds To Being Told To GO HOME! - See more at: http://xrepublic.tv/node/8715#sthash.xz8IhN1V.dpuf



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyj2n6Tfsy0&feature=player_embedded

[spacemaverick]

Remember the company that said that they may have found a lead in the Bay of Bengal.

Bangladeshi navy ships search Bay of Bengal for traces of Flight 370

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/02/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/

(CNN) -- Two Bangladeshi navy ships have begun searching the Bay of Bengal for traces of missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, but have yet to find anything, a commander said Friday.

The ships are operating off a tip from an Australian company that claims to have found possible traces of an underwater airplane wreck in the area.

"We haven't found anything yet, and the frigates will continue the search until they verify all available information," Commodore Rashed Ali, director of Bangladeshi navy intelligence, told CNN on Friday.

Although Australian officials and other experts have derided the claim, acting Malaysian Transportation Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said he, too, is considering sending a ship to search -- even though he thinks it is "highly unlikely" the plane will be found in the Bay of Bengal.

....above link contains rest of story and video.


Bangladeshi Navy is doing it's own investigation in it's waters for the flight.  Like I have said before...basic investigations says you will check out all leads to the point that it is determined that the lead is of no help to the investigation.  You don't decide because you think that said lead is not credible.  At least that's what my law enforcement training has taught me.

[sky otter]

took me a while to find this, but i remembered reading it somewhere
..it pertains to the audio being edited

it is a link posted by ArMaP in reply 314 of this thread on 3-27


posting the entire article cause i know not everyone reads every link (smirk smirk...lol)


http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/missing-mas-plane/story/malaysia-says-theres-sealed-evidence-mh370-cannot-be-made-publ

The Straits Times China BureauBEIJING - A Malaysian team have told relatives of Chinese passengers on board the missing Malaysia Airlines (MAS) flight MH370

that there was sealed evidence that cannot be made public,


as they came under fire from the angry relatives at a briefing on Wednesday. 

The sealed evidence included air traffic control radio transcript, radar data and airport security recordings.

The briefing at the Metropark Lido Hotel in Beijing focused on UK satellite analysis which led Malaysia to conclude that flight MH370 ended in south Indian Ocean, off Perth.

The Chinese relatives were told that a five-member high-level team from Malaysia plans to brief them once every five days. The team include MAS pilot Lim Jit Koon and senior civil aviation official Ahmad Nizar Zolfakar.

During the question-and-answer session, a relative said: "Thanks for demonstrating your ability to read every word out of the powerpoint slides."

Another asked: "If the info is from UK satellite firm Inmarsat, does it mean the Malaysia team cannot answer our questions on the MH370 analysis?"

Faced with the barrage of questions from the angry relatives, the MAS team replied: "We can answer but we might not be correct as we're not the investigators":

They said Malaysia had requested for the British experts to join them for the briefing in Beijing but the latter declined.

They assured the relatives that the search and rescue operations for the plane have been stepped up but the hunt has been challenging as the search area is huge.

The Malaysian government and MAS have been criticised for their handling of the disappearance of MH370 on March 8. They have been accused of being slow in disseminating information and not revealing everything about the incident.

Prime Minister Najib Razak said on Monday night that based on latest UK data analysis, the plane had gone down in a remote part of the southern Indian Ocean.

"We demand you retract announcement that MH370 ended in south Indian Ocean and continue search-and-rescue operations,'' one relative said at the briefing.

Some family representatives targeted Malaysian envoy Iskandar Sarudin, asking him: "You expect us to accept a report you cannot defend?"

"No comment,'' said Mr Iskandar.

He again declined to comment when asked "how do you expect us to feel friendly towards Malaysia?"

Upset by the response from the Malaysia team, a relative said: "You have once again left us speechless!"

Wednesday's briefing was the first time the media were allowed to attend.

The relatives also accused MAS of not providing enough assistance to them.

"Two-thirds of MH370 passengers are Chinese but only 50 caregivers?" asked a relative.

An airline official explained that they have had problem finding volunteers to help out.

When asked why the MAS office at the hotel was closed on Tuesday, the MAS officials said they were advised by the Chinese government not to be there given the tense mood among the relatives.

[spacemaverick]

The preliminary report from Malaysia on MH 370

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-mh370-tragedy-font-mot-releases-preliminary-report-audio-recordings-1.584574

KUALA LUMPUR: Following is the preliminary report released by Ministry of Transport (MoT) on Flight MH370

MH 370 PRELIMINARY REPORT SERIAL 03/2014


Read more: MH370 Tragedy: MoT releases preliminary report, audio recordings - Latest - New Straits Times http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-mh370-tragedy-font-mot-releases-preliminary-report-audio-recordings-1.584574#ixzz30aEMKTu8

[spacemaverick]

Looking at the preliminary report is interesting and one of the entries said Cambodian airspace was penetrated if I am reading this report correctly.


[02:15]

[no voice

recording]

(extracted from Watch Supervisor's Log Book)

KL-ATCC Watch Supervisor queried Malaysia Airlines OPS who informed

that MH370 was able to exchange signals with the flight and flying in

Cambodian airspace.


02:18:53
KL-ATCC queried if flight planned routing of MH370 was supposed to

enter Cambodian airspace. HCM confirmed that planned route was only

through Vietnamese airspace. HCM had checked and Cambodia advised

that it had no information or contact with MH370.



HCM confirmed earlier information that radar contact was lost after

BITOD and radio contact was never established.



KL-ATCC queried if HCM was taking Radio Failure action but the query

didn't seem to be understood by the personnel.

HCM suggested KL-ATCC to call MAS OPS and was advised that it had

already been done.

02:34:01
Watch Supervisor KL-ATCC enquired with MAS OPS Centre about

communication status with MH370 but the personnel was unsure if the

message went through successfully or not.

12 02:35:03
HCM queried about status of MH370 and was informed that the Watch

Supervisor was talking to the company at this time.

13 02:35:54
MAS OPS Centre informed KL-ATCC MH370 in normal condition based

on signal download giving coordinate N14.90000 E109 15 00 at time

1833 UTC.

14 02:37:36
KL-ATCC relayed to HCM the latitude and longitude as advised by

Malaysian Airlines Operations.

This is only a portion of the report.....


05:20:17
Capt [name redacted] requested for information on MH370. He opined

that based on known information, "MH370 never left Malaysian

airspace".

[spacemaverick]

OKAY, HERE IT COMES.....

Eleven terrorists with links to Al Qaeda have been arrested on suspicion of being involved in the disappearance of MH370
•Suspects were arrested in the capital Kuala Lumpur and the state of Kedah
•Said to members of violent new terror group said to be planning attacks
•Interrogations came after demands from agencies including FBI and MI6

•Manifest revealed presence of consignment but did not reveal its contents
•Airline has admitted 200kg of lithium batteries was among the items
•It refused to say what else, citing 'legal reason' related to 'ongoing' probe

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2619388/What-havent-told-cargo-MH370-Mystery-deepens-missing-flight-claims-loaded-2-3tonnes-items-not-listed-manifest.html

A group of 11 terrorists with links to Al Qaeda were yesterday being interrogated on whether they are behind the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.


The suspects were arrested in the capital Kuala Lumpur and in the state of Kedah last week and are members of a violent new terror group said to be planning bomb attacks in Muslim countries.


The interrogations come after international investigators, including the FBI and MI6, asked for the militants, whose ages range from 22 to 55 and include students, odd-job workers, a young widow and business professionals, to be questioned intensively about Flight MH370.

Nearly two months after the Beijing-bound plane vanished soon after take-off from Kuala Lumpur, no trace has been found despite a huge sea search costing hundreds of millions of pounds. It is thought to have crashed into the Indian Ocean with 239 people on board.

An officer with the Counter Terrorism Division of Malaysian Special Branch said yesterday the arrests had heightened suspicion that the flight's disappearance may have been an act of terrorism


'The possibility that the plane was diverted by militants is still high on the list and international investigators have asked for a comprehensive report on this new terror group,' the officer said.


In interviews conducted so far, some suspects have admitted planning 'sustained terror campaigns' in Malaysia but denied being involved in the disappearance of the airliner, he added.

During the trial of Sulaiman Abu Ghaith Osama Bin Laden's son-in-law, Saajid Badat, a British-born Muslim from Gloucester, said he had been instructed at a terrorist training camp in Afghanistan to give a shoe bomb to the Malaysians.

He said: 'I gave one of my shoes to the Malaysians. I think it was to access the cockpit.'

Badat, who spoke via video link and is in hiding in the UK, told the New York court the Malaysian plot was being masterminded by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the principal architect of 9/11.

A mystery surrounding the cargo being carried by the missing Malaysian Airlines plane emerged on Friday when it was discovered that it had been loaded with items not specified on the manifest.

The aircraft was carrying 4.566 tonnes of mangosteens - an exotic fruit - and a shipment of lithium batteries, which were part of a separate consignment.

The batteries weighed 200kg, but that separate consignment totalled 2.453 tonnes. So what was being carried to make up the 2.253 tonnes in that separate shipment?

Questions have been raised as Malaysia Airlines said it will close assistance centres in Beijing and Kuala Lumpur for the families of the 239 passengers and crew on board the Boeing 777-200ER jet.

QUITE A LONG ARTICLE WITH A FEW VIDEOS IN THERE
SEE MORE AT THE LINK

[COSMO]

good reporting space...

'The possibility that the plane was diverted by militants is still high on the list and international investigators have asked for a comprehensive report on this new terror group,' the officer said.

In interviews conducted so far, some suspects have admitted planning 'sustained terror campaigns' in Malaysia but denied being involved in the disappearance of the airliner, he added.

During the trial of Sulaiman Abu Ghaith Osama Bin Laden's son-in-law, Saajid Badat, a British-born Muslim from Gloucester, said he had been instructed at a terrorist training camp in Afghanistan to give a shoe bomb to the Malaysians.

He said: 'I gave one of my shoes to the Malaysians. I think it was to access the cockpit.'



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[Fruitbat]

I hope no-one minds me cross-posting some wild rumours, but well, judge for yourself whether I did good or not.
Cut'n pasted verbatim from zerohedge by fruitbat:

Subject: MH370    -    Possible, Probable, Wild Speculation???  (I choose door #3).  During the American withdrawal from Afghanistan, one of their command and control system used for controlling the drones operation, was hijacked by the Taliban when the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Taliban ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014.     The Taliban want money for the system from the Russian or the Chinese. The Russians are too busy in Ukraine. The Chinese are hungry for the systems technology. The Chinese goal is to master the technology behind the command and control system, then, all the American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it. Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection.   Meanwhile, American covert intelligence, with the assistance of Israeli intelligence together, determined to intercept and recapture the cargo. The Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all, the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the American military will not hijack or harm civilian commercial aircraft, so MH 370 is the perfect carrier. There were 5 American and Israeli agents onboard who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 Iranians with stolen passports worked in tandem among them. When MH 370 was about to leave the Malaysian air space and reporting to Vietnamese air control, an American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.   During AWAC operations activity in the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft and Airbus aircraft are installed with remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all Boeing commercial aircraft could be remote controlled by FAA /ATC ground control towers. The same remote control system used to control the pilot less spy aircraft and drones. The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication systems, changed course, and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space was covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite. The Malaysian, Thai, and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react. The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anabas, South India and then landed at Maldives some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refueled and continued its flight to Garcia Diego, the American Air Base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen by achieving a temporary altitude to 45,000.   The MH370 with dead passengers were air borne again via remote control and crashed into South Indian Ocean, make it to believe that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and blame the defiant captain and copilot, but first diverting all the attention and search effort in the South China Sea, while the plane made their way to Indian Ocean. Then they came out with some conflicting statement and evidence to confuse the world. The Australians are diversion distracter.   The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean is unprecedented. This showed that the China is very concerned, not so much because of the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly the high value cargo and its 8 top defense scientists. One does not like to think of officials or leaders as committing evil covert events or to do things to cover up a mess. They operate under the premise called The burden of leadership meaning, the end justifies the means.   The few inside the circle know the truth, those outside the circle know a little bit, but if the majority is confused then the objective has been achieved in order to stabilize the insanity of world events. This has been the course of human history from the get go and if you are fortunate to shoot pool with certain spooks, you are privy to the inner circle. Hard to believe it, right? Thats the goal!