Malaysia flight 370 Where is it?

[spacemaverick]

There was 5, 407 pounds of lithium ion batteries, walkie talkie accessories in cargo hold for Motorola.  Or 2453 kilograms according to the report.  Auto pilot had the capability to perform take-off and landings. according to the report.

2) Lithium Ion Batteries
Li-Ion Batteries carried on MH370 were from Motorola Solution Penang.  Of the total consignment of 2,453 kg, only 221 kg were Liion batteries, the rest were chargers and radio accessories. 

[zorgon]

Can we get a reference from a real newspaper or similar instead of Weekly World News or what appears to be a Russian YouTube video and points to a different date?

No we can't  LOL because the source is Sorsha Faal

[astr0144]

So where did this happen " Z ".... I assume somewhere iN Vegas !

So you both believe this happened to you...So how many months ago would that have been ?

What would you call your OLD Time line and the new one ?  Whats the difference ?

are you suggesting that you were some years younger ?

Do you have any idea where it may have occurred initially and specifically ? and what point and time did you note the new destination ?

You may need to go to see someone who can hypnitise you to try and get you to recall what happened !

Have you ever mentioned it on the forum before ?

Well not that long ago my daughter and I "disappeared" from my old time line and ended up here in this time line. The Transition was instant (though I didn't know it at the time)  as one minute we were in location A, the next we were 10 miles away in the opposite direction..

...

So WHAT IF this plane just went through a dimensional shift like we did?

I have no way of knowing what happened to the us in the other time line. Did we simply vanish? were we replaced? Were we swapped?

Years ago there was a movie where a jetliner vanished and ended up in the stoneage... the plane was found in modern times in a dig site. I can't find that movie now

The Bermuda  triangle is famous for claims of missing Planes and Boats ?

and some other locations in the world  that such things have been suggested to happen more than average...

List of missing aircraft

[astr0144]

Yes there are differing theories as to how it may have happened that have been wrote in some detail in various forum threads...

John Lear referred to some like from Holograms being involved and the buildings were rigged with certain types of explosives to have gone off  at the same time....

Thermite was one type of explosive suggested that was used..which is said could have been set up and used during construction or have been added at a later stage and was hard to detect..

Then we have had a Star Wars theory of from Dr Judy Wood that suggested that they were disintegrated from a laser like device from Space !

But I have seen another theory that I though could be quite possible that seemed to suggest as being quite possible based on the experts explantion...and demonstrations..

Ive been meaning to try to find a video about it...and I will post it if I can find it and recall the details..

It was something along the line of a combination of the metals involved between those in the aircraft and within the metal girders in the building and what they are made out of and how they reacted to the aircraft fuel and with the water from the safty sprinklers...

it may have created Aluminium oxide if I recall...that becomes very combustable..

The Scientist / engineer had demonstrated how such a mix could ignite to severe temperatures that it melted the buildings metal girders much quicker than what we could have ever imagined...

The Building 7 collapse as shown by the BBC, Is still maybe one of the main mysteries still not explained !

@Astro - 2 x 400m buildings collapsed / dissolved into their own footprint (more or less) as did WTC 7 that wasn't hit by a aircraft and as reported by the BBC as collapsed some minutes before the actual collapse.

[zorgon]

John Lear referred to some like from Holograms being involved and the buildings were rigged with certain types of explosives to have gone off  at the same time....

No John Lear supports the particle beam from space theory not pre-planted bombs.  And he was on the list when that went to trial in New York  Court document HERE

it may have created Aluminium oxide if I recall...that becomes very combustable..

The Scientist / engineer had demonstrated how such a mix could ignite to severe temperatures that it melted the buildings metal girders much quicker than what we could have ever imagined...

If there is any 'Scientist" that demonstrated that he is a MORON  

Remember my post about the Village Idiot?   PLEASE do not become one A 2 second google search will make you smarter



Aluminum Oxide DOES NOT BURN... in fact you need an acetylene torch to get it to melt, at which point it turns to liquid CORUNDUM  which is how they make synthetic RUBY and SAPPHIRE for use in gemstones and LASER crystals. It is also a fantastic polishing compound because aluminium oxide is a fine powder that is second only to diamond in hardness  (yes aluminum is a soft metal... funny how that works )

So if any Village Idiot out there is telling you that the aluminum vaporized and burned in that jet fuel you can tell him he is insane

[astr0144]

I think John, like us all have had differing views at different times since 9/11.. and we have said different things over time..

I do believe with high certainty to recall him at one time indicating about the Hologram / explosives theory..

but I do not disgree that later than he may have re considered the Particle beam or star wars theory !

No John Lear supports the particle beam from space theory not pre-planted bombs.  And he was on the list when that went to trial in New York  Court document HERE

I tried to find  video of the program that I referred to... but I cannot find it..

if I do... I will rewatch it and update in more detail what he described if I still think it differs to what I suggested..

Initially I think I had been aware of the Aluminium Oxide theory... and that it had been questioned or rejected..

But I seem to recall that the video that I referred to... was showing a differing version that had something else into the formula... that seemed more plausable..

and they demonstrated it... so provided what they showed was correct.... they did show how quickly such steel girders would burn. or melt... (That provided what they showed was the same metal Girder materials as was in the WTC)

it may have been some other substance added to the Aluminium oxide or even a different substance altogether..

Unless I can find a copy of it.. I am unable to demonstrate what they showed..
as I cannot recall all the full details..

I intended to post about it at the time the program was shown, but for some reason I didn't..

I was probably over 12 months ago when I watched the TV program.

But there a few other videos that are still relating to either Aluminium oxide or Thermite theories..

I am not sure what Nano Thermite is ? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=20&v=DUemun0iy_s

Is Thermite similar to Aluminium Oxide..

I think they vary... but what may happen if they combine I wonder ?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_oxide


or could Thermite maybe acted with Alumiium Oxide ?  Maybe it was something like that. if they are different that was suggested..

if so....Could that suggestion be possible to have been more of a dangerous compound..

In ref to Oxy acetylene.... I was watching something the other day... on Masterminds.. about how some thiefs were trying to cut thru some steel/ metalllic materials in a safe...and could not do so...

So they ended up obtaining a PLasma Welding torch and it was suggested as being 10 times hotter and was able to melt some thick copper also within the various steels of the safe.. they suggested the copper was hard to melt..but I am sure how it compared to other steels..  as some steels melt at higher temperatures..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_arc_welding

I am not quite sure why they could not use oxy acetylene though...or what other steels were used in the safe...I would have thought Carbon steel.

Oxy acetylene temperature
Thomas Wilson created the oxyacetylene torch in 1903. He combined both pure oxygen (99.5%) and acetylene in proper proportions to yield a flame of about 3,480 degrees Celsius. Oxyacetylene the only gas mixture that will burn hot enough to cut steel.

Copper melting point  1,085°C (1,984°F)

Steel, Carbon   melting point 1425 - 1540C      2600 - 2800F

Not suggesting plasma was used in 9/11..

but no doubt different things can be added or created to make some substances that burn at higher temperatures one way or another...

If there is any 'Scientist" that demonstrated that he is a MORON

Remember my post about the Village Idiot?   PLEASE do not become one A 2 second google search will make you smarter



Aluminum Oxide DOES NOT BURN... in fact you need an acetylene torch to get it to melt, at which point it turns to liquid CORUNDUM  which is how they make synthetic RUBY and SAPPHIRE for use in gemstones and LASER crystals. It is also a fantastic polishing compound because aluminium oxide is a fine powder that is second only to diamond in hardness  (yes aluminum is a soft metal... funny how that works )

So if any Village Idiot out there is telling you that the aluminum vaporized and burned in that jet fuel you can tell him he is insane

[zorgon]

So where did this happen " Z ".... I assume somewhere iN Vegas !

Never assume anything especially when it's documented

So you both believe this happened to you...So how many months ago would that have been ?

Tucumcari, New Mexico 88401
June 30th 2016

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10008.0

What would you call your OLD Time line and the new one ?

We all call the old timeline Timeline A and this one Timeline B 

Whats the difference ?

That thread above has 39 pages of differences and other people from Timeline A  Did you just pop in from Timeline C ?     LOL 

are you suggesting that you were some years younger ?

No  Only a few nano seconds passed and we were 10 miles away

Do you have any idea where it may have occurred initially and specifically ? and what point and time did you note the new destination ?

Tucumcari, New Mexico 88401 June 30th 2016. We noticed as soon as we hit the freeway and found we were heading back to Texas... and when we turned back the sigh said Tucumcari 10 miles. But seconds earlier we were on the other side of the single exit, downtown about to turn right to the freeway. See the map in the linky above

BTW its virtually a GHOST TOWN  

You may need to go to see someone who can hypnitise you to try and get you to recall what happened !

I can't be hypnotized   

[astr0144]

Thanks for the feedback on this,

Seems very Interesting and I look forward to reading it..

as I dont recall when you posted it at the time...

I assume more than likely, that you don trust Hypnotised !...

I am not sure that I would either ...

and maybe in general.. some people just are less likely to be Hypnotised...

But in some cases , as like you do not accept things easily.. you also may consider being Hypnotised as being something that can be valid and maybe think its worthwhile to get certain results...

[astr0144]

Hi "Z".

Sorry for the delay in my reply to your related post on your unusual experience.

I have posted the reply on your thread.


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10008.msg145097#msg145097

[The Seeker]

Astro, the thread dealing with all of Zorgon's experiences is located here

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10008.msg132126#msg132126
and covers most everything that happened to him and me; please move the discussion to there as I will be moving the posts about it later from the MH370 thread

[astr0144]

Hi Seeker

Ive managed to reduce the prior reply JUST before it was too late and post a copy of the original main reply to the relevant  thread.

Maybe you can leave the reduced post for" Z" to see if he misses the other post reply..

Astro, the thread dealing with all of Zorgon's experiences is located here

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10008.msg132126#msg132126
and covers most everything that happened to him and me; please move the discussion to there as I will be moving the posts about it later from the MH370 thread

[micjer]

This thread has certainly attracted a lot of hits.

[The Seeker]

This thread has certainly attracted a lot of hits.

Yes it has, Mic, and generated a lot of speculation and controversy 

I am quite sure that the puppetmasters have known all along where MH370 was at any given second; it's a matter of if they decide to ever let us know...

[astr0144]

This was posted this week ..  I am not sure if its a different further update to the more recent posts made  in the thread... I have not read it as yet or given it any thought to compare against  prior posts....


Was the MH370 report DOCTORED? Independent experts claim data logs on missing Malaysia Airlines plane may have been modified

    Investigators have made bombshell claim regarding official MH370 report
    They allege parts of the report into missing plane may have been doctored
    Messages sent during flight and included in the report may be incomplete



'The military radar data is another example of a data set that has never been released in full despite its significance in providing information about how the aircraft was flown after the diversion from the flight plan.'

The 400-page report into the plane's disappearance was released in July, and determined that the cause of the disappearance cannot be identified until the wreckage and black box are found.

Mr Iannello claimed text messages from the Malaysia Airlines dispatch centre on the day of the flight included in the official report may have been doctored.
Video playing bottom right...
Experts investigating the doomed jet's disappearance claim message logs released by the airline and included in the official safety report (pictured) are incomplete and have been modified
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Experts investigating the doomed jet's disappearance claim message logs released by the airline and included in the official safety report (pictured) are incomplete and have been modified

'Urget (sic) request. Pls contact Ho Chi Ming (sic) ATC ASAP. They complain cannot track you on their radar. Pls ack these msg (sic). Regards,' a message sent from the operations centre reads in the report.

Mr Iannello claims the examining the characters in the message shows it may have been tampered with, and a person's name beginning with 'M' has been removed from the text.

'It is important that Malaysia provide a complete, unmodified log of all communications for the period between 12.48pm and 8.00pm on March 7, 2014,' he said.

'This is particularly significant in light of questions surrounding the delayed response of Malaysian authorities after MH370 went missing.'

Daily Mail Australia has contacted Malaysia Airlines for comment.
The 400-page report into the plane's disappearance was released in July, and determined the cause of the disappearance cannot be identified until the wreckage and black box are found
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The 400-page report into the plane's disappearance was released in July, and determined the cause of the disappearance cannot be identified until the wreckage and black box are found
WHAT HAPPENED TO MH370? SOME OF THE THEORIES INTO THE MYSTERY EXAMINED
Zaharie Ahmad Shah (pictured) was the pilot of the doomed flight

Zaharie Ahmad Shah (pictured) was the pilot of the doomed flight

DID THE PILOT HIJACK HIS OWN PLANE?

Pilot Zaharie Ahmad Shah planned mass murder because of personal problems, locking his co-pilot out of the cockpit, closing down all communications, depressurising the main cabin and then disabling the aircraft so that it continued flying on auto-pilot until it ran out of fuel.

That was the popular theory in the weeks after the plane's disappearance.

His personal problems, rumours in Kuala Lumpur said, included a split with his wife Fizah Khan, and his fury that a relative, opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim, had been given a five-year jail sentence for sodomy shortly before he boarded the plane for the flight to Beijing.

But the pilot's wife angrily denied any personal problems and other family members and his friends said he was a devoted family man and loved his job.

This theory was also the conclusion of the first independent study into the disaster by the New Zealand-based air accident investigator, Ewan Wilson.

Wilson, the founder of Kiwi Airlines and a commercial pilot himself, arrived at the shocking conclusion after considering 'every conceivable alternative scenario'.

However, he has not been able to provide any conclusive evidence to support his theory.

The claims are made in the book 'Goodnight Malaysian 370', which Wilson co-wrote with the New Zealand broadsheet journalist, Geoff Taylor.

It's also been rumoured that Zaharie used a flight simulator at his home to plot a path to a remote island.

However, officials in Kuala Lumpur declared that Malaysian police and the FBI's technical experts had found nothing to suggest he was planning to hijack the flight after closely examining his flight simulator.

And there are also theories that the tragic disappearance may have been a heroic act of sacrifice by the pilot.

Australian aviation enthusiast Michael Gilbert believes the doomed plane caught fire mid-flight, forcing the pilot to plot a course away from heavily populated areas.

IF NOT THE PILOT, WAS THE CO-PILOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MYSTERY?

Co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid, 27, again for personal problems, was suspected by rumour-spreaders to have overpowered the pilot and disabled the aircraft, flying it to its doom with crew and passengers unable to get through the locked cockpit door.

Theorists have put forward the suggestion that he was having relationship problems and this was his dramatic way of taking his own life.

But he was engaged to be married to Captain Nadira Ramli, 26, a fellow pilot from another airline, and loved his job. There are no known reasons for him to have taken any fatal action.
There have been a series of outlandish theories about the disappearance of the plane
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There have been a series of outlandish theories about the disappearance of the plane

Others have suggested that because he was known to have occasionally invited young women into the cockpit during a flight, he had done so this time and something had gone wrong.

Young Jonti Roos said in March that she spent an entire flight in 2011 in the cockpit being entertained by Hamid, who was smoking.

Interest in the co-pilot was renewed when it was revealed he was the last person to communicate from the cockpit after the communication system was cut off.

DID THE RUSSIANS STEAL MH370 AND FLY THE JET TO KAZAKHSTAN

An expert has claimed the missing Malaysia Airlines flight 370 was hijacked on the orders of Vladimir Putin and secretly landed in Kazakhstan.

Jeff Wise, a U.S. science writer who spearheaded CNN's coverage of the Boeing 777-200E, has based his outlandish theory on pings that the plane gave off for seven hours after it went missing, that were recorded by British telecommunications company Inmarsat.

Wise believes that hijackers 'spoofed' the plane's navigation data to make it seem like it went in another direction, but flew it to the Baikonur Cosmodrome, which is leased from Kazakhstan by Russia.

However, Wise admits in New York Magazine that he does not know why Vladimir Putin would want to steal a plane full of people and that his idea is somewhat 'crazy'.

Wise also noted there were three Russian men onboard the flight, two of them Ukrainian passport holders.

Aviation disaster experts analysed satellite data and discovered - like the data recorded by Inmarsat - that the plane flew on for hours after losing contact.

Careful examination of the evidence has revealed that MH370 made three turns after the last radio call, first a turn to the left, then two more, taking the plane west, then south towards Antarctica.

MH370 WAS USED BY TERRORISTS FOR A SUICIDE ATTACK ON THE CHINESE NAVY

This extraordinary claim came from 41-year-old British yachtsman Katherine Tee, from Liverpool, whose initial account of seeing what she thought was a burning plane in the night sky made headlines around the world.

On arrival in Thailand's Phuket after sailing across the Indian Ocean from Cochin, southern India with her husband, she said: 'I could see the outline of the plane - it looked longer than planes usually do.There was what appeared to be black smoke streaming from behind.'

Ms Tee's general description of the time and place was vague and she lost all credibility when she later stated on her blog that she believed MH370 was a kamikaze plane that was aimed at a flotilla of Chinese ships and it was shot down before it could smash into the vessels.

Without solid proof of the satellite data, she wrote on her blog, Saucy Sailoress, the plane she saw was flying at low altitude towards the military convoy she and her husband had seen on recent nights. She added that internet research showed a Chinese flotilla was in the area at the time.
While the debris proved the plane went down in the Indian Ocean, the location of the main underwater wreckage — and its crucial black box data recorders — remains stubbornly elusive.
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While the debris proved the plane went down in the Indian Ocean, the location of the main underwater wreckage — and its crucial black box data recorders — remains stubbornly elusive.

THE JET LANDED ON THE WATER AND WAS SEEN FLOATING ON THE ANDAMAN SEA 

On a flight from Jeddah to Kuala Lumpur that crossed over the Andaman Sea on March 8, Malaysian woman Raja Dalelah, 53, saw what she believed was a plane sitting on the water's surface.

She didn't know about the search that had been started for MH370. She alerted a stewardess who told her to go back to sleep.

'I was shocked to see what looked like the tail and wing of an aircraft on the water,' she said.

It was only when she told her friends on landing in Kuala Lumpur what she had seen that she learned of the missing jet. She had seen the object at about 2.30pm Malaysian time.

She said she had been able to identify several ships and islands before noticing the silver object that she said was a plane.

But her story was laughed off by pilots who said it would have been impossible to have seen part of an aircraft in the water from 35,000ft or seven miles.

Ms Raja filed an official report with police the same day and has kept to her story.

'I know what I saw,' she said.

THE AIRCRAFT SUFFERED A CATASTROPHIC SYSTEMS FAILURE AND CRASH-LANDED ON THE OCEAN

A catastrophic event such as a fire disabling much of the equipment resulted in the pilots turning the plane back towards the Malaysian peninsula in the hope of landing at the nearest airport.

Satellite data, believable or not, suggests the aircraft did make a turn and theorists say there would be no reason for the pilots to change course unless confronted with an emergency.

A fire in a similar Boeing 777 jet parked at Cairo airport in 2011 was found to have been caused by a problem with the first officer's oxygen mask supply tubing.

Stewarts Law, which has litigated in a series of recent air disasters, believes the plane crashed after a fire - similar to the blaze on the Cairo airport runway - broke out in the cockpit.

After an investigation into the Cairo blaze, Egypt's Aircraft Accident Investigation Central Directorate (EAAICD) released their final report which revealed that the fire originated near the first officer's oxygen mask supply tubing.

The cause of the fire could not be conclusively determined, but investigators pinpointed a problem with the cockpit hose used to provide oxygen for the crew in the event of decompression.

Following the 2011 fire, US aircraft owners were instructed to replace the system - it was estimated to cost $2,596 (£1,573) per aircraft. It was not known whether Malaysia Airlines had carried out the change.

If either pilot wanted to crash the plane, why turn it around? So the turn-around suggests they were trying to land as soon as possible because of an emergency.

THE US SHOT DOWN THE AIRCRAFT FEARING A TERROR ATTACK ON DIEGO GARCIA 

The Boeing 777 was shot down by the Americans who feared the aircraft had been hijacked and was about to be used to attack the U.S. military base on Diego Garcia atoll in the Indian Ocean. So conspiracy theorists claim.

And former French airline director Marc Dugain said he had been warned by British intelligence that he was taking risks by investigating this angle.

There is no way of checking whether Dugain received such a warning or why he believes the Americans shot down the plane.

But adding to the theory that the aircraft was flown to Diego Garcia, either by the pilot Zaharie or a hijacker, was the claim that on the pilot's home flight simulator was a 'practice' flight to the island.

Professor Glees said: 'The Americans would have no interest in doing anything of the kind and not telling the world.

'In theory, they might wish to shoot down a plane they thought was attacking them but they wouldn't just fire missiles, they'd investigate it first with fighters and would quickly realise that even if it had to be shot down, the world would need to know.'

Mr Rosenschein said: 'The U.S. would not have been able to hide this fact and in any event, if it were true, they would have admitted their action as it would have prevented a successful terrorist action on this occasion and acted as a deterrent for future terrorist attacks


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6125029/Independent-experts-claim-data-logs-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-plane-modified.html



Reminder for " Z" if he may consider offering a reply to another prior post...

Hi "Z".

Sorry for the delay in my reply to your related post on your unusual experience.

I have posted the reply on your thread.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10008.msg145097#msg145097

[spacemaverick]

We have a geostationary satellite above the Indian Ocean but who is to say what it was looking at?  I have the report in PDF form and have only skimmed through it.  They can only talk in speculative terms instead of any rock solid evidence.  As for the parts found in various places on the East Coast, how can we be sure if they are the actual parts?  Having worked for a contractor that built landing gears for aircraft, they know which parts (via part numbers that are serialized), they would know exactly which aircraft those parts were attached.  They can even trace each machinist and assembler who put the plane together.  I remember our manufacturing processes and some parts being returned tracing issues all the way back to the person who messed up on a part.

I had no idea when I started this thread that it would take off like it did!