Malaysia flight 370 Where is it?

[sky otter]

Satellite clue ends wild theories, hope for MH370

Over an extraordinary 17 days and nights, until the moment Malaysia's prime minister stepped to a lectern to deliver investigators' sobering new findings, the fate of vanished Flight 370 hung on morbid conjecture and fragile hope.

Many previous tragedies have transfixed us by revealing their power in cruel detail. But the disappearance of the Beijing-bound Boeing 777 without warning or explanation captivated imaginations around the world in
no small part because of the near vacuum of firm information or solid leads.

....

No one has found the plane, or the passengers, or the answer to why all this happened in the first place. And solving those riddles involves a search that looms dauntingly across a vast expanse of unforgiving ocean at the bottom of the earth.


entire article here..but the above sums it up..we'll probably never know


http://news.msn.com/world/satellite-clue-ends-wild-theories-hope-for-mh370

[burntheships]

Air France 447 plane debris floating in ocean.



http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/air-france-flight-447-black-boxes-reveal-pilot-wasn-cockpit-emergency-sensors-failed-article-1.146079



http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/americas/article2972177.ece

[astr0144]

122 objects detected by Satellite 1500 miles of Western Australia...


A satellite has spotted 122 'potential objects' in the southern Indian Ocean in the search for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane.
The items measuring between one metre and 23 metres in length, were identified about 1,500 miles off the coast of Perth in western Australia.
Some appeared to be bright, according to Malaysian officials.
The possible debris was captured in satellite images from French company Airbus which were taken on Sunday, March 23.
Malaysian investigators received the pictures on Tuesday and after analysing them, they identified 122 possible objects in an area measuring around 155 square miles


http://uk.news.yahoo.com/missing-plane-122-objects-spotted-ocean-094858412.html?vp=1#rWSuOfG

[spacemaverick]

http://www.tomnod.com/nod/

This is the site from which the crowdsourcing search from one satellite company has allowed people to help search for the aircraft.  Some of their latest images in the sectors I was searching was coming up with some images of what appeared to be objects in the water.  Some of them appeared to be quite large and what appeared to be some smaller objects.  The past two days in the sectors I was checking were fruitful in finding something.  (I do not know what they are...that's up to the analysts to figure it out).

Now a French satellite has come up with numerous objects (about 122) in the area West of Australia (actually SW).  I think there might be a possibility, as one person has said in one article, that the pilot being a supporter of the opposition political party being jailed that he took the airliner off course...flew the plane toward Malacca Straits...contacted the government of Malaysia through intermediary....demanded that this leader be released or he would dive the plane into the sea.  Not getting what he wanted he turned the plane South and took it as far away as he could to make it hard on the Malaysian government as he could.  The emergency broadcast transponders that only work when you perform a ditching would not have time to work if you dove the aircraft into the sea.  That's why they heard no EBT (emergency broadcast transponders).

Now the Malaysian government would have the large problem regarding relations with China, they would look bad and incompetent with regards to most of the world and could hurt them financially.  Naturally they will try to minimize the damage to them as much as possible.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/26/investigators-probe-fresh-data-clue-in-search-for-missing-jet/

Fresh news on possible crashed aircraft Malaysian 370 in link above.

I think the above is a valid possible scenario,  it would make a statement from what the pilot and does make sense.  Simply put...and I believe someone in this thread brought up Occam's Razor.  It may be as simple as what has been stated above.  It will be interesting for the searchers to be able to get to the debris and find out it does belong to the Malaysian Airlines.  I wait anxiously to find out.

[spacemaverick]

It seems astr0144 and I brought up a portion of the news one right after the other...good show astr0144...

[WarToad]

Theres a garbage debris vortex in the Indian ocean much like the Pacific ocean.  Hopefully this isn't a false lead.

[astr0144]

Within minutes of each other ! 

You have posted what seems maybe more informed post link  Spacemaverick...if that's (Space satellite company) what they are using to search for debris !  good Find.

It seems astr0144 and I brought up a portion of the news one right after the other...good show astr0144...

[spacemaverick]

Well you have to check every contact of debris.  This section of the Indian Ocean must be a vortex for garbage.

https://twitter.com/PDChina/status/448080809023389696/photo/1

Whale carcass.......

[spacemaverick]

Boeing transponder 777 off but this is not the Malaysian flight.  Why don't they make these aircraft where you cannot turn off the transponder?  Very simple...don't put a switch in the aircraft for the pilot to switch off.

http://intellihub.com/boeing-777-transponding-diverted-away-nuclear-summit-two-f-16-fighter-jets/

A rogue Boeing 777, with its transponder off, caused quite the scare recently as it was headed toward the Hague Nuclear Summit before being diverted by military aircraft in the vicinity

By Shepard Ambellas

NETHERLANDS (INTELLIHUB) — At about 1:45am in the morning on Mar. 25th, two F-16 fighter jets from the Brabant Volkel airbase were scrambled in response to a rogue Boeing 777 not electronically transponding at the time.

more at the link above.

[spacemaverick]

Within minutes of each other ! 

You have posted what seems maybe more informed post link  Spacemaverick...if that's (Space satellite company) what they are using to search for debris !  good Find.

The satellite company I am working through is Digital Globe which is based here in the states.  Several countries are now using their satellites but I am sure they cannot devote all the satellite time to the incident since they have responsibilities to others who have bought satellite time.  Digital Globe uses crowdsourcing (open to public to help search).

[thorfourwinds]

FOR THE RECORD

Missing Jet – Plane Flew & Crashed Into Indian Ocean?

Two US officials tell ABC News the US believes that the shutdown of two communication systems happened separately on Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.

One source said this indicates the plane did not come out of the sky because of a catastrophic failure.

The data reporting system, they believe, was shut down at 1:07 a.m. The transponder – which transmits location and altitude – shut down at 1:21 a.m.

In another words, the two modes of communication were "systematically shut down."

This also means flight MH370?s disappearance may well have been a deliberate act, not an accident or catastrophic malfunction.

U.S. Spy Satellites Detected No Explosion as Flight 370 Vanished - NBC News.com

12 March 2014

BY ROBERT WINDREM
U.S. spy satellites did not detect a midair explosion at the time that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 lost contact with air traffic controllers or in the hours immediately afterward, senior U.S. intelligence officials told NBC News on Wednesday.

"That's one thing that is particularly vexing," said one.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that analysis of data from "national technical means" –- a euphemism for spy satellites -– found nothing "to corroborate or indicate a midair explosion" in the period surrounding the jet's disappearance on Saturday (Friday in the U.S.).

The U.S. Space Based Infrared (SBIR) satellite system, which is designed to identify heat signatures in real time, can -– and has -– detected exploding aircraft, according to a second official,. Indeed, it has provided evidence in the past of events as small as artillery fire and the launch of anti-aircraft missiles, the official said.

The Space Based Infrared (SBIR) system satellite. AIR FORCE SPACE COMMAND

The system uses dedicated infrared satellites and sensors on other military spacecraft to gather the data.

Jeffrey T. Richelson, an intelligence historian who has written extensively about SBIR and its predecessors, agrees and says the intelligence community has supplemented civilian investigations of missing aircraft in the past.

Six Other Planes Have Vanished near Malaysia Without a Trace

Is there a zone near Malaysia similar to the Bermuda Triangle?

Original story here:

According to data compiled by the Aviation Safety Network (ASN), 83 aircraft which carried more than 14 passengers have been reported missing since 1948 across the world, and that doesn't count the smaller aircraft.  Of those total disappearances, six of them actually occurred in the same general region as the recent airplane disappearance near Malaysia.



1932

The first reported airplane disappearance in this region was near the Gulf of Martaban in southern Burma on August 12, 1932.

Two passengers, GW Salt and FB Taylor, who were attempting to fly from Burma to England disappeared in mid flight, and although their flight was said to have crashed, the wreckage was never recovered.

GW Salt and FB Taylor's private plane in 1932
           
English planters, GW Salt and FB Taylor went missing along with their plane over the Gulf of Martaban in southern Burma on August 12, 1932.

They were flying from Moulmein (Mawlamyine) to Rangoon (Yangon) in Burma, in a huge attempt to get all the way to England.

Their small plane G-AAKA is believed to have crashed into the sea.

The wreckage of a plane was spotted in September that year in the Gulf of Martaban - but it was never confirmed as the planters' plane.



1935

Three years later on November 8, 1935, Charles Kingsford Smith, was attempting to break an aircraft speed record when he lost contact somewhere over the Andaman Sea.  His plane was also never found.

Charles Kingsford Smith's Lady Southern Cross in 1935

Smithy: Sir Charles Kingsford Smith (middle right)

Charles Kingsford Smith, known as Smithy, was an Australian airman who set his sights on beating the England to Australia air speed record.

He set out on November 8, 1935, in his Lockheed Altair monoplane, the Lady Southern Cross, but lost contact with the ground somewhere over the Andaman Sea.

He was never seen again and it is unclear what happened to his plane - but it is thought it crashed into the sea.

Wiki:
Kingsford Smith and Pethybridge were flying the Lady Southern Cross overnight from Allahabad, India, to Singapore (c.2200 mi.), while attempting to break the England-Australia speed record, when they disappeared over the Andaman Sea in the early hours of 8 November 1935.

18 months later, Burmese fishermen found an undercarriage leg and wheel (with its tyre still inflated) which had been washed ashore at Aye Island in the Gulf of Martaban, 3 km (2 mi) off the southeast coastline of Burma, some 137 km (85 mi) south of Mottama (formerly known as Martaban).

Lockheed confirmed the undercarriage leg to be from the Lady Southern Cross. Botanists who examined the weeds clinging to the undercarriage leg estimated that the aircraft itself lies not far from the island at a depth of approximately 15 fathoms (90 ft; 27 m). The undercarriage leg is now on public display at the Powerhouse Museum in Sydney, Australia.

In 2009 a Sydney film crew claimed they were 100% certain they found the Lady Southern Cross. The location of the claimed find was widely mis-reported as "in the Bay of Bengal" - the 2009 search was at the same location where the landing gear had been found in 1937, at Aye Island, in the Andaman Sea. However, this claim was treated with scepticm by well-known businessman and pilot, Dick Smith, while Kingsford Smith's biographer, Ian Mackersey, described it as "complete nonsense".



1961

Decades later, on February 3, 1961, Garuda Indonesia Airlines flight PK-GDY disappeared near Madura Island in Indonesia.  There were 21 passengers on board and the wreckage was never found.

Garuda Indonesia Airlines in 1961      

Missing: A Garuda Indonesia Airlines flight disappeared (Getty)

     

In one of the largest air disasters in the area, the Garuda Indonesia Airlines flight PK-GDY disappeared off Madura Island in Indonesia on February 3, 1961.

It was en route from Juanda Airport to Sultan Aji Muhamad Sulaiman Airport, both in Indonesia, when it mysteriously vanished.

The five crew and 21 passengers were never seen again, and it is believed the plane crashed into the sea.



1974

In 1974, somewhere over the South China Sea, Hurricane Hunter flight Swan 38, from the 54th Weather Reconnaissance Squadron disappeared during a typhoon.

A Lockheed WC-130H Weatherbird, of the 54th Weather reconnaissance Squadron, in flight over the Pacific Ocean

Weather reconnaissance flight Swan 38 in 1974       
     

Emblem of the 54th Weather Reconnaissance Squadron
Active: 1944-1987
Country: United States
Branch: United States Air Force
Type: Weather Reconnaissance

54th Weather Reconnaissance Squadron emblem

The 54th Weather Reconnaissance Squadron often flew hazardous reconnaissance missions into tropical storms and typhoons to obtain accurate meteorological information. It was inactivated in 1960 due to budget reductions.

The squadron was reactivated in 1960 with a mixture of WB-50s, WB-47s and C-130s and resumed its typhoon hunting mission. The squadron was the last operator of the WB-50D Superfortress, retiring the last aircraft in 1965, when it operated C-130s.

Perhaps its best accomplishment was during the Vietnam War when Operation Popeye (Project Popeye/Motorpool/Intermediary-Compatriot) was a US military cloud seeding operation (running from March 20, 1967 until July 5, 1972) to extend the monsoon season over Laos, specifically areas of the Ho Chi Minh Trail.

The operation seeded clouds with silver iodide, resulting in the targeted areas seeing an extension of the monsoon period an average of 30 to 45 days. As the continuous rainfall slowed down the truck traffic, it was considered relatively successful. The 54th Weather Reconnaissance Squadron carried out the operation to "make mud, not war."

It was inactivated in 1987.

In 1974, a newly converted Lockheed WC-130 Weatherbird (serial number 65-0965) was transferred to the 54th Weather Reconnaissance Squadron, the "Typhoon Chasers", at Andersen Air Force Base on Guam. The aircraft was sent to investigate Typhoon Bess. The crew departed Clark Air Base in the Philippines with the callsign "Swan 38".

Hurricane Hunter flight Swan 38, from the 54th Weather Reconnaissance Squadron, was lost during Typhoon Bess in 1974 somewhere over the South China Sea.

The typhoon had slowed to still strong 75 mph winds, and Swan 38 was sent out to provide reconnaissance information on October 12.

Radio contact with the aircraft was lost on 12 October 1974, apparently as the aircraft was heading into the typhoon's eye to make a second position fix. There were no radio transmissions indicating an emergency on board, and search teams could not locate the aircraft or its crew.

It reportedly departed Clark Air Base in the Philippines and was 400 miles northwest of Clark AFB when the last radio contact was made.

Search and rescue teams spent four days scouring the sea but no trace was found, according to wunderground.com.

The six crewmen were declared missing and presumed dead.



1983

On February 13, 1983, Upali Air flight N482U disappeared in the Malacca Straits, near Malaysia.

Upali Air flight N482U in 1983
           
The Upali Air flight N482U disappeared on February 13, 1983, 20km off Kuala Selangor, Malaysia, in the Malacca Straits.

It was carrying six people - three of them passengers and three crew.

Learjet 35 / 36 file photo (photo: Aviation Safety Network archives)

The Learjet 35A was en route from Kuala Lumpur airport in Malaysia to Colombo-Katunayake, Sri Lanka.

The corporate jet was carrying Sri Lankan multi-millionaire businessman Upali Wijewardene.
The last radio contact, according to ASN, was 15 minutes after takeoff when the pilot reported he was climbing.

The pilot was supposed to contact Medan but never did.

A survival pack, believed to be from the Learjet, was found a few days later but no more clues were ever found.



1993

More recently, on January 31, 1993, a Pan Malaysian Air Transport plane disappeared.  The plane reportedly lost contact near Northern Sumatra, and no evidence of a crash was ever discovered.

Similar to the above Shorts SC.7 Skyvan 3-100.

Look closely at the logo below the side window. (No, we did not put it there.)   )


Pan Malaysian Air Transport in 1993

A Pan Malaysian Air Transport plane disappeared on January 31, 1993, within Northern Sumatra.

It was en route from Medan-Polonia Airport to Banda Aceh-Blang Bintang Airport, both in Indonesia.

The Shorts SC.7 Skyvan 3-100 disappeared over mountains, and the last reported position was at 8500-foot, 67 miles from Medan.

It was carrying 14 people, 11 of them passengers and three crew, and no one was seen alive again.



2014

Now, over the past few weeks the entire world has joined in on the search for the missing Malaysian flight that had 239 people on board.  The Malaysian government has claimed that the airplane crashed into the sea, but as with the other cases, there has yet to be any conclusive evidence showing where the plane ended up.

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[sky otter]

Thor

golden info 
..thanks
it  adds another flavor to the mix

[spacemaverick]

Nothing new at this point except that another satellite spotted more debris, planes arrive and can't find it due to reduced visibility and bad weather.  Still nothing has been verified and now Malaysia Airlines will not release some of the data given to them.  I heard at this point also that Malaysia Airlines was in financial trouble before this even began.

[WarToad]

  I heard at this point also that Malaysia Airlines was in financial trouble before this even began.

Once the lawsuits start piling on, they'll likely have to declare bankruptcy.  It's going to get ugly.

[ArMaP]

I saw this in another forum.

Malaysia says there's sealed evidence on MH370 that cannot be made public

Interesting, if true.