Jim Oberg's "99 FAQs About Space UFO Videos"

[JimO]

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The camera then jerks left & downward & suddenly everyone SEES the escaping tether swarming with objects

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Thanks for hanging in for the conversation.

Why do you say the tether was 'escaping'? Wasn't the shuttle actually approaching the tether?

[JimO]

One step at a time. Worry about the double-blind calibration super duper sponge bob sweaty pants stuff later on. 

So we just plug the images into a magic box and out comes an answer that nobody knows how, and that nobody ever verified with a test video developed to make the process reproduce the input test image? How is that any more reliable than the old magic window eight-ball answer globe I had in High School?

What's wrong with verifying a discriminator test actually discriminates blind samples?

[Flux]

There is life out there Jim but not as we know it.
Post all available information you have as requested.
Stop stalling with questions please.

[deuem]

So we just plug the images into a magic box and out comes an answer that nobody knows how, and that nobody ever verified with a test video developed to make the process reproduce the input test image? How is that any more reliable than the old magic window eight-ball answer globe I had in High School?

What's wrong with verifying a discriminator test actually discriminates blind samples?

Yes Sir, I consider every single print I run a blind test. I have been douple blind tested many times. I will also wear a blindfold if you wish. lol Jim, if you had looked at my Deuem research thead, all 80 plus pages you would get my drift by now. I reall don't want to explain the process again and again and again. It is a process that looks for patterns in a print with energy fields showing up the best. The results are a new photo one can look at.

If you can arrange several hundred million to spend on Deuem, I am sure I can get any day you wish but I had to pay for it myself and I don't have NASAs budget. It will show you a picture of what ever energy patterns there are in the print. It is pretty cool, ( I think ) It has a way of opening a new door for dead prints and starting new conversations. Once you get used to it I wonder what you will see.

If a camera caught any light or fields I should show it and sunlight works the best. So I await for a simple photo of what you call invisible light.

I also wait for a date, time and any info we can work on in respect to the UFO in and out of what you say is sun rise or set.

I am getting older by the day, These 2 questions should be very easy for you, No? If you don't have time for either, just let me know and I'll go back to watering the flowers.

Deuem

[JimO]

I owe some answers but am riight now chasing down a Russian space trampoline, will return!

[deuem]

I owe some answers but am riight now chasing down a Russian space trampoline, will return!

Is that a polite way of saying you got better things to do?

Back to believe it or not, the US has been using Rusian built rocket motors to get some payloads into space and no one at NASA or the Space agencies know how to build one anymore. Putin made a Joke and said he would stop sales to the states and for all he cares we can use a trampoline to get there. Did you take this to heart? Walmarts is now sold out! Is there a secrete black Op launch system called "trampoline" where we can bounce things into orbit? I gota get my kid one of those.

Maybe I will return after I feed the fish.

[Martyn Stubbs]

I'm new here so I am thinking aloud...passing on info that only I can for further thought, sharing some research with a VIP site that is populated with a membership that I admire.(& zorgon you are amazing!) I have to be the turtle re: Jim O's 99 FAQs...

sticking to what the tapes show & the true narrative (the yellow brick road) will lead us eventually to the current state of space dominance by the military, how it's mystery mini automated shuttles are operating in the radiation above 300N.miles...why the Russians (also military) & China (military of course) are doing what they are doing, & what they are all up to together. It starts with the tether incident & what we learned & how that fits into the current (yet invisible) dominance of space by the U.S. military.

I believe part of the massive attempt to debunk the tether footage as well as keeping NASA's footage, which includes tapes brought down by hand, yet never released......is not only about the UFOs! It's about the tether & satellite as well. The entire tether incident video was due to a disaster. The loss of the 100 million $ sat. The video exposed the tether's vast potential in uncontrolled ways!


The tether incident video should be viewed without any thoughts of a dust/ice/debris/pee-pee manifestation  that is swarming in front of the shuttle camera for 20 minutes plus.

My full video of the entire hr. before the incident & the video of that same camera minutes before the tether sighting show no swarm. (heck..in real time the astronauts never speak of any ice or debris that is a problem in the tether search, nor during or right after the tether incident.)

I have been checking these 99FAQs & the premise for so many points made is flawed.

I then went to my collection of hrs & hrs of night video segments, that are on disc as gifts for my stargazing friends to study.. Friends who love to see these 20+ minute continuing videos that DO NOT show UFOs..just killer star systems, great night shots from space which as I said are very rare & scarce.

Each shuttle mission lasted 10 days or more & that yielded endless night video passes downlinked & for us all to see. Sometimes by misc. ground control persons who would take control of the cameras merely to scan the stars, zooming all over the place & giving anyone watching quite a show. This usually happened while the astronauts slept.

There were other times when night sequences were downlinked from the shuttle with zreo explanation.

So the bottom line is that I found no other night (B&W) video with a tether like swarm on any flight, nor  during any event such as water dumps, nor Sat. searches, nor any night pass type of lighting...not even on any camera..from super duper cameras like STS-75's TOPS, to cheap in-cabin HIGH 8!!

nothing even resembling the tether SWARM! If this near field insect like ice-dust manifestation theory in the 99FAQs is common or even sometimes..well I can not find it on any other night passes. I even zeroed in on the Columbia flights & there is nothing..ever.

There is nothing that is seen orbiting..in sync...with a shuttle on any night pass from hundreds of hrs.
A shuttle moving at 17,000 MPH. As i said all debris or other identifiable things move away & are out of sync. There is no example of "feeder fish" like anything.

[Flux]

Is that a polite way of saying you got better things to do?

Back to believe it or not, the US has been using Rusian built rocket motors to get some payloads into space and no one at NASA or the Space agencies know how to build one anymore. Putin made a Joke and said he would stop sales to the states and for all he cares we can use a trampoline to get there. Did you take this to heart? Walmarts is now sold out! Is there a secrete black Op launch system called "trampoline" where we can bounce things into orbit? I gota get my kid one of those.

Maybe I will return after I feed the fish.

Interesting info/data Martyn.

Just giving you an option Deuem and anyone else before you buy one.
Here is a SpringFree trampoline designed with safety in mind but still a lot of fun. Ideal for the kid.


Plan on launching my Luna rover off it soon.

[JimO]

Quote from: JimO on April 28, 2014, 04:57:44 PM

The astronauts looking out their overhead windows SAW the dots and the distant tether. And since human-eye binocular ranging is effective out to 40-50 ft, they could TELL the dots were small and close. They had MORE information from two eyes than YOU had from the flat screen, so THEIR view was superior, and more accurate.

Still sounds like 'opinion' to me, rather than fact.

It's an eyewitness account. Their 'opinion' is that they can tell the stuff was close, because that's how binocular vision works. On what grounds do you choose to disregard it?

Beyond 30-40 feet, range estimates come from assumptions about object size and air transmissivity -- that's where it gets tricky. But within binocular range, it's pretty clearcut. I think. That's my opinion.

[JimO]

Ok, can we get into this camera a lot more. If it is a UV camera then is it the entire UV spectrum or just A,B,C or V. From what I understand most cameras will film into UV-A a bit and then stop. I would also like to process the 4 ranges all by themselves if that is possible. So knowing what this camera films would help. Getting standards in the 4 wave lengths would help also. Thats one project.

The only video I've ever seen from this camera were pre-break, and I don't have copies. Were you interested in pre-break observations? The scientists who ran this experiment are documented, they're the ones to ask for hi-quality copies.

[JimO]

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I would also guess with a lot of work and time, date studies, one could pin point the shuttle in space, the rotation of the Earth and the suns location. Then add in where the light rays would be at that moment. I did a lot of that work on the moon photos to study shadows. If we had real math on your questions then the real situation should prevail. No? We can calculate the absence of Light cone behind the Earth and place the shuttle in orbit and figure out in which way they are filming. Once totaly inside the Dark cone all photos are very different. With a 90 minute orbit, this does not last very long....

That's what you want to find out, but I don't know how to deduce this solely from inspecting the video. The mission documentation -- the kind of stuff I showed examples of in the STS-48 report -- will provide it, since the exact time of the break is known. The orbiter and the tether are out of Earth's shadow by that point. So what unique situational insight would you expect your process deliver?

[JimO]

....You posted that the craft coming in and out of the clouds is coming in and out of light. Lets see how that stacks up. ......

I certainly never intended to post that -- can you find the message where you thought I did?

I recall posting about STS-80 video that objects that suddenly appear with earth surface in the background, which might be explained by them coming out from behind clouds, can also be explained by close objects emerging from the spacecraft shadow -- which we KNOW from the geometry, must be lying out into the center of the FOV.

I never meant to refer to anything going back behind clouds. Did I by mistake?

[JimO]

....I then went to my collection of hrs & hrs of night video segments, that are on disc as gifts for my stargazing friends to study.. Friends who love to see these 20+ minute continuing videos that DO NOT show UFOs..just killer star systems, great night shots from space which as I said are very rare & scarce.....

Why should they show any 'UFOs' in the dark if the famous videos are what I [and the on site witnesses] identify as sunlit small nearby dandruff? The notorious youtube UFOs show up after sunrise, such as this sts-75 sequence.

Martyn, if you think it's still in orbital darkness, how can you prove that. This may explain a LOT of the dispute over these videos. Day or night? Simple question.

[JimO]

....nothing even resembling the tether SWARM! If this near field insect like ice-dust manifestation theory in the 99FAQs is common or even sometimes..well I can not find it on any other night passes. I even zeroed in on the Columbia flights & there is nothing..ever.
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Easy to explain. The famous STS75 video was a DAY pass.

[deuem]

Ok, lets start with an easy question then.

I will dirrect it to Martyn.

How many diferent films are there of the teather?. Just the teather and what camera filmed the event. Is there a time stamp start and finish for each tape?

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Back to Jim.

And since human-eye binocular ranging is effective out to 40-50 ft, they could TELL the dots were small and close.

Dear Sir, can you please back this statement up with some medical facts. The distance you qoute is very short about 15 meters. If my eye sight was that bad I could never drive a car faster that 20 mph. This vision is the focal range of my eyes. with it I can judge distance and size. I know if you close one eye, you lose this type of vision and the brain has to guess but 15 meters? I did a quick check on this and it is not an easy find. I depends on your eyes and the distance between them.

If the eye was to focus on some dandruf floating anound the craft then the far distance stuff would be out of focus. same for any camera. Maybe you should add how large the dandruf is that chases them. If it is like 10 feet in diameter or the size of a dime.

If I am out in a snowstorm I focus right past the flakes and see the road as far as they will let me. Everything closer to my eyes gets out of focus and blured out to nothing. Same with a camera. With a photo camera you can hold the frame on long exposure and grab a lot more light but with video going at speed the camera focus range is subject to a setting for the frame length.

It seems to me that if they ( astronauts ) only had focused vision of 15 meters then they could not even see the other end of the Shuttle with out assistance. This may need a re-think?

NASA has been telling us for 50 years that the Astronauts have a problem telling distance because of the lack of things to judge it by. Like no trees on the moon. Radar works better. Are there any radar tracks of the teather event? they must use this for closing in on it. Even the ground NASA guys knew exactly where it was. Is there any dandruf on those tapes?