Jim Oberg's "99 FAQs About Space UFO Videos"

[deuem]

In order for the Ice crystals say of 1 inch in diameter to be the right size in the full frame shots they would need to be about 68 inches from the camera or less.

That would put the dots at one inch and the tether at 12 miles. I did the study at the tether 77nm distance (81 Miles away). All dots in the full frame 68 inch distance process as round as in a marble.

[ArMaP]

Um, the tether stays clear while something moves past it, and the delineation is on the tether.  If something passed in front of this delineation, it would vanish.  It holds completely steady.  Does that help?

It does help, thanks for answering, but I don't understand what you mean by "delineation", could you explain it, please?
Thanks in advance.

Why do You assume They would be bored? [smile]

Maybe they wouldn't be at first, but after hearing/reading about it 100 times I think the odds of them being bored would be much higher.

PS: and yes, this time I am the one guilty of bringing this subject to a topic that is not related to it, you may (and should) point it to me the next time I complain about it.

[ArMaP]

So there is one example right on this page saying it is from .3 miles to 1.03 miles wide. Any comments?

What about perspective? Perspective could change all that.

Is there any indication if the tether was being seen perpendicular to tether's length or at some other angle? Maybe Jim can help with that.

[ArMaP]

Funny how you can not tell us why you think the objects pass in front the tether.

I already did,here.

[ArMaP]

In order for the Ice crystals say of 1 inch in diameter to be the right size in the full frame shots they would need to be about 68 inches from the camera or less.

Would they be out of focus at that distance? An out of focus object appears bigger than it is.

[ArMaP]

Nice, and when the object in the rear goes much brighter that the front, like a car head light on a wire. I get this.

Thanks, The Matrix Traveller and Deuem, I understand it now.

Deuem, what does you process "say" about this image?

[The Matrix Traveller]

And then .... there is that "Paradox" !

Without the Base of our experience involving the Paradox Algorithm, "Choice" would NOT exist.

It's all in the evaluation of Shape. (Both Inner and Outer)

[Elvis Hendrix]

Clearly Behind..



And again.. Behind.

Still









Oh.. and Again.. Behind.

Still....


behind.

[ArMaP]

Still....


behind.

Why? What makes you think it's behind?

[The Matrix Traveller]

Why? What makes you think it's behind?

So ArMap what do you think ?

Is it behind the Tether or in front of the Tether ?

[ArMaP]

So ArMap what do you think ?

Is it behind the Tether or in front of the Tether ?

See this post.

[deuem]

What about perspective? Perspective could change all that.

Is there any indication if the tether was being seen perpendicular to tether's length or at some other angle? Maybe Jim can help with that.

I asked the question many times and got 12 miles, Yes the perspective would change all the sizes except 77nm. Say you go to half then all my figures shrink to half 6 mile tether at 0.13 to 1/2 mile wide and the ice balls move to 34 inches from the lens. All that does it put the flotilla inside the cargo bay. Where you say they are out of focus and larger then if they were in focus then that might just make them smaller and then even closer to the lens, say half, then 17 inches away from lens. There are also at least 6 or 7 of these white objects that never move and might be attached to the lens. They move with camera pan. Waiting for Jim to clear the part B of the camera data and see if there is anything in part b that helps out more than part A.

ArMaP, you're a wiz at photos, can you please present some Math backing up the event. Size of tether at 77nm, size of crystals in the vid and distance to lens. If you can find the detail of the cameras lens that would be an ace card. Lens details are needed. Film speed and original size of frame the camera made.

Without standards provided by Jim or NASA I also had to make up the size of the ball at 1 inch. They must have an idea of how large to how small they get. After 27 dumps on one mission alone they must be seeing them in their sleep. What do they see and what shape are they?

[deuem]

Thanks, The Matrix Traveller and Deuem, I understand it now.

Deuem, what does you process "say" about this image?

Ok, blind testing 101, I'll get out my cane, dark glasses and cup.

What ever it is, the red dot seems rather flat with it being brighter in the center. Like it is a reflection of sorts. it is not emitting energy. The red is not a CGI gradient pattern. The lines enters the red very hard and maintains it clarity though the first few onion layers and then it goes more transparent and I can see the patterns of both. It eventually fades out to noting in the brighter soup in the middle.  Using red makes the call harder, it is a primary color that I mostly leave alone.. But when entering the red area the Red is being displaced and not the line so i would think by this print the line is behind the red. I would think if the line was in front of the red, the red would displace the line and the line is not bothered until it starts to get overwhelmed by the red towards the center.

Did you process this photo? You must have the answer ready to pounce on me. OK, take the shot. I'll put my gloves up.

[deuem]

Elvis, the real question here is if you can see through ice which is water and cause no distortion. No lensing, nada, nothing, like a clear pane of glass. Maybe in space water is different as cameras can see right through it. Like those X-ray glasses at the back of comic books. So if ice in ball form is close to a lens, NASA has the capability to peer right through the ice and get a clear photo of what is behind it. That is amazing to say the least. Unless you are a fish, water distorts vision even in cameras. Go stick a pencil in a glass of water and look at it. All bent up and distorted. But yet we see crystal clear photos looking through Ice from 81 miles away. The science of NASA is astounding!

So, and a big IF, Is it possible like I said weeks ago that we are seeing more than one thing going on here. Multi planes of events that so happened to all be in a similar color family so someone could pass it off as Ice. Remember that although they say infinity on the camera setting it is not infinity. Infinity is just the max of the lens. Otherwise in space we should bring up an old brownie camera and film the big bang. So don't listen to that part of the lesson. It is wrong, even in space. All cameras have a max limit and everything past that point is mud.

Now the min max on Earth should be more in space since there is no atmosphere unless they are filming inside. Or the lens has air in it. That I don't know. Are the cameras sealed or open to space? What ever air would be in between the lens and the CCD would change things just a wee wee bit. ( had to toss a pee joke in there, sorry ) But basically all of the focal distances should be greater in the Ionosphere and then greater again in true space but never infinity.

[deuem]

I already did,here.

Front, because I think those are small, out of focus objects closer to the camera than the tether. And when I mean closer I mean maybe 10 or 20 metres (or maybe more), not just 1 or 2, as the camera would show them different if they were that close.

This is a hear say answer. Just fluff added to the pile. You need to take the next step and prove your idea. It's Ok , we will wait..  All the ducks need to get in line and have Math attached to their backs. Use the 77nm mile start off shot in full frame and then as they zoom in things change rapidly except the ones that seem to be stuck on the lens. They stay constant no matter the camera shake or zoom. They go with the lens. We are all waiting for you to amaze us with something more than text. Text is cheap. Just requires one finger or a pencil in the mouth. Math costs time.

I say ( cheaply in text ) that there are at least 3 to 4 things going on here and they are using one to cover up another. I might be wrong but I still have a hard time believing that a 1/10 inch cable 77nm miles away from the camera has enough power/light to blow through an Ice crystal that is 3 feet to 6 feet away from the lens like it was never there. It's magic I say. That would make it brighter than the Sun IMO. And yet I can find no huge light field that takes over the entire frame, like the sun does. It should be blinding to all including the camera. Magic I say!

You are a master at taking other peoples questions apart and turning them to your advantage. How about doing some of this yourself and stop tearing others apart for your enjoyment. make believe you are the only one posting. How can you prove what you are saying. I know you can do it, I remember you figuring out how high the cliff on Mars was. Now step back from the firing range and do some of you're own home work so we can hunt ArMaP for a change. In the USA we say put your money where your mouth is. Step up and take a turn. Leave the simple text behind and come up with some real answers based on Math and not hear say. If you can do that it would be impressive.