Roswell UFO crash: what really happened 67 years ago?

[Pimander]

I'm left wondering if either of you two have looked up the source at all.

Joseph P Farrell himself refuses to explore Nazi Saucers - only the Nazi Bell, and he him-self states all the 'saucer stuff' comes from Neo-Nazi's....

I was not commenting on Farrell then.  I didn't look at all the posts in detail I was answering the following question.

Can you be more specific? And do you have any comments on the Nazi Hypothesis in general?

Apologies for the misunderstanding.  I was commenting on, "the Nazi hypothesis in general."

I agree that the metel does not prove anything other than there was some very interesting material at the site.  It is strong evidence linking the incident to Battelle though.  It does not prove that the claims of the Battelle scientist were true but adds weight to the claims in my opinion (or makes them more interesting if you like).

[Sinny]

Ok, let's start with his contention that foo fighters were a nazi weapon.

Sent up to spray gas that would destroy ignition systems?

Not very bloody effective now were they? How many were reported spraying gas?

And once your car is started, what need have they of the ignition system?

And what propulsion method would they have used? Ducted fans as proposed by Nazi saucer proponents?

The Red Baron riding a window fan through the sky, that's a formidable opponent.

Even remotely controlled, what power source would be aboard to run these fans? Such batteries have yet to be invented to this day.

And any fan arrangement is not going to give you 15,000 mph and 90 degree turns.


A much more effective use of any Nazi foo fighters would have been to ram them head on into any enemy craft, and hopefully carry an explosive charge.

A tally of foo sighting vs any damage ever caused shows them to be virtually ineffective as a weapon.


No trace of any such technology has ever surfaced or been displayed by any country on earth ever since.


However a monstrously huge saucer was reported during daylight by a British bomber crew.


The problem this author faces is much the same that many authors unknowingly face - being unaware that Roswell was not a single incident, but merely the eye of the hurricane, they don't realize their proposed solution takes a stab at explaining one incident, not an entire year of thousands of saucer sightings across the entire nation, and world for that matter.

Can you quote or reference Farrells conclusion on the Foo Fighters, I am yet to read that material.
I know he thinks they are Nazi, but I'm missing the details.

In his book: Reich of the Black Sun: Nazi Secret Weapons & the Cold War Allied Legend, Farrell himself states that the Foo Fighters were quite harmless:



Besides that, I thought we were discussing Roswell?
I completely disagree with your contention:

The problem this author faces is much the same that many authors unknowingly face - being unaware that Roswell was not a single incident, but merely the eye of the hurricane, they don't realize their proposed solution takes a stab at explaining one incident, not an entire year of thousands of saucer sightings across the entire nation, and world for that matter.

Each case should be judged on it's individual merit prior to any generalisations and pattern correlations.
Unless it is proven the nature of Roswell is very much the same nature as all other individual cases your point is void.
And the nature of the Roswell incident is exactly what we are trying to explore here. 

[Sinny]

I agree that the metel does not prove anything other than there was some very interesting material at the site.  It is strong evidence linking the incident to Battelle though.  It does not prove that the claims of the Battelle scientist were true but adds weight to the claims in my opinion (or makes them more interesting if you like).

An this info - Interesting metal was first note in 1932, and finally offered to the US channels in 1960 or so.
http://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2010/08/12/roswell-battelle-memory-metal-the-new-revelations-by-anthony-bragalia/

[Pimander]

Just a quick not.  A lot of the Foo Fighters reports I have read did not describe mechanical devices.

An this info - Interesting metal was first note in 1932, and finally offered to the US channels in 1960 or so.
http://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2010/08/12/roswell-battelle-memory-metal-the-new-revelations-by-anthony-bragalia/

Memory shape alloys were first discovered in 1932. The Nazis were using nickel titanium alloys only those materials were in short supply... The shape memory effect was first discovered in 1932 in a silver-cadmium alloy. It allows materials possessing shape memory properties to return to their original shape after having suffered some form of deformation after they are heated to temperatures above their transformation temperature.  ...While the first shape memory alloy was discovered in 1932, it wasn't until the early 1960's that the nickel-titanium SMA's were first discovered by Buehler. He was working at the Naval Ordinance Laboratory at the time, hence the name Nitinol. His discovery formed the basis of the first commercial shape memory alloy.

http://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2010/08/12/roswell-battelle-memory-metal-the-new-revelations-by-anthony-bragalia/

And also interesting that it was again the Navy and NOT the Army who didn't seem to have a clue what was happening apparently.

So was Phil Corso right?  I think we still can't be sure.  It is possible that the alloys were developed after analysis of Roswell debris by Battelle or others giving clues as to what metals would make the alloys useful.  I do think Corso has links to some shadowy figures in the intelligence community but that does not prove anything.

One thing I will say is that I have never seen any convincing evidence that there was still a Nazi base operating in 1947.


Sorry if my post seems rushed (it is) and a mish mash of loosely related statements but I'm doing several things at once.

[Sinny]

Just a quick not.  A lot of the Foo Fighters reports I have read did not describe mechanical devices.
http://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2010/08/12/roswell-battelle-memory-metal-the-new-revelations-by-anthony-bragalia/

And also interesting that it was again the Navy and NOT the Army who didn't seem to have a clue what was happening apparently.

So was Phil Corso right?  I think we still can't be sure.  It is possible that the alloys were developed after analysis of Roswell debris by Battelle or others giving clues as to what metals would make the alloys useful.  I do think Corso has links to some shadowy figures in the intelligence community but that does not prove anything.

One thing I will say is that I have never seen any convincing evidence that there was still a Nazi base operating in 1947.


Sorry if my post seems rushed (it is) and a mish mash of loosely related statements but I'm doing several things at once.

Well, I have read annecdotes to suggest that Nazi Officers where stationed and operating various points with US military industrial complex (some of which we are all aware of), however, I am interested in the possible Nazi officer connections to Roswell, Battell and Navy Intel - this will require several days to prove or disprove I'm sure.

Working with the hypothesis that Nazi's were leading this operation would explain why some compartments are aware of the operation, whilst others were clueless. (Compartmentalisation - but of the Nazi sort)

Howard Cross seems to be the main go-betweem Batelle and Naval Intel, so he is of interest to me.
He was also the guy who was pivvey to and/or authored the 'Pentacle' letter which details UFO propaganda in 1953.
He also had an associate with a man of a German sounding surname beginning with B (I read it not long ago) - I'll get back to you on that one...

In regards to Nazi Bases, Peter Levenda has done some great work on that, although I will need to purchase his books, for example the Colony of  righteousness was still opertaing in the 1970's.

I just don't see why ET seems to be the most 'obvious' answer, when there appear to be very solid grounds that nothing thus far is beyond the reaches of human tech.

[A51Watcher]

Sure, the fist 1/2 of this interview has him contending the foo's were nazi weapons -

[Ellirium113]

Not sure if anyone has looked at this section but I will put up the link...there is a lot of info here on some of this:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2186.0

[A51Watcher]

Besides that, I thought we were discussing Roswell?
I completely disagree with your contention:

Each case should be judged on it's individual merit prior to any generalisations and pattern correlations.
Unless it is proven the nature of Roswell is very much the same nature as all other individual cases your point is void.
And the nature of the Roswell incident is exactly what we are trying to explore here.

Your welcome to judge each of the cases on individual merit.

I have already done so, and so has Pimander to a lesser extent. I have shared the majority of relevant cases with him throughout the years.


My database contains the reports from local newspapers and places I have visited and those are contained in my Day Before Roswell thread.

The rest of the database comes from 3 main sources -




http://nicap.org/waves/Wave47Rpt/ReportUFOWave1947_Menu.htm




http://www.nicap.org/loedding/LoeddingBook.pdf


Project 1947

http://www.project1947.com/fig/1947a.htm


As well as reports gleaned from Bluebook, Nicap, Mufon and the Seattle UFO reporting center.


Have a look and you will see the common denominator is silent shiny silver discs moving at 'terrific' speed and cutting 90 degree corners.


Another good read from the era for sightings and perspective is -




http://www.sacred-texts.com/ufo/fsar/index.htm


All of the above are free downloads.

You will find that there is some overlap between the 3 databases above, however there are many reports that are unique to that database.


I find these reports very valuable, because once again they come from the people who were actually there.

[Sinny]

The rest of the database comes from 3 main sources -




http://nicap.org/waves/Wave47Rpt/ReportUFOWave1947_Menu.htm




http://www.nicap.org/loedding/LoeddingBook.pdf


Project 1947

http://www.project1947.com/fig/1947a.htm


As well as reports gleaned from Bluebook, Nicap, Mufon and the Seattle UFO reporting center.

But we know that these 'investigations' were controlled to a certain extent.

Have a look and you will see the common denominator is silent shiny silver discs moving at 'terrific' speed and cutting 90 degree corners.

I could have told you that, even prior to my delving into the UFO field 

I find these reports very valuable, because once again they come from the people who were actually there.

You seem to be missing the fact that those investigations were for public consumption, and they do not account for the control mechanisms we have evidence for in the 1950's... I wonder -  if 'they' were manipulating sightings and investigations in 1952 onwards - could the very same group of people have been operating in this manner prior to 1952?

Your hypothesis, for me,  just does not account for all variables, and I will be more satisfied when it does.

Don't get me wrong, I think there are two very different origins of the UFO phenomena - but neither of them include Grey Aliens from Zeta accidentilly crashing at Roswell 

[Pimander]

Sinny,

There is one thing that we have not touched upon in this discussion that you have to discount in its entirety.  That is witness accounts of seeing actual non-human humanoids (is that correct English LOL).  If you accept even a single account of that nature in the hundreds of statements about the Roswell incident (just one) then, as I said, something remarkable did happen in New Mexico that week.

I know that witness testimony can be weak.  But it becomes strong if there are multiple corroborating accounts  and in many States and Countries a person can be sentenced to death based on it.

Of course, the witnesses might have all been delusional, had fading memories, been victims of mind control or were possibly lying on behalf of the state.  If even one was not then there is a fascinating case to solve.

Some examples?

[Dennis spoke with the nurse again the following day.]

She said there were three little bodies. Two of them were just mangled beyond everything, but there was one of them that was really in pretty good condition.

And she said, "Let me show you the difference between our anatomy and theirs. Really, what they looked like was ancient Chinese: small, fragile, no hair." She said their noses didn't protrude, the eyes were set pretty deep, and the ears were just little indentations. She said the anatomy of the arms was different, the upper arm was longer than the lower. They didn't have thumbs, they had four different, she called them "tentacles", I think. Didn't have any fingernails. She then described how they had little things like suction cups on their fingertips.

I asked her were these men or women? [Were their] sex organs the same as ours? She said, "No, some were missing." The first thing that decomposes on a body would be the brain, next the sex organs, especially in women. But she thought there had probably been something, some animals. Some of these bodies were badly mutilated.

She said they got the bodies out of those containers [the ones he had seen in the backs of the ambulances, on the way into the hospital]. See, they weren't at the crash site, they were about a mile or two from the crash site. She said they looked like they had their own little cabins. She said the lower portion, the abdomen and legs, was crushed, but the upper portion wasn't that bad. She told me the head was larger and it was kind of like, the eyes were different.

http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc397.htm

Pappy Henderson's Wife

[Sappho Henderson was Pappy Henderson's wife. She was interviewed by Stanton Friedman.]

We met during World War II when he flew with the 446th Bomb Squadron. He flew B-24s [on] thirty missions over Germany. After the war, he returned home and was then sent to Roswell. While stationed there, he ran the "Green Hornet Airline", which involved flying C-54s and C-47s carrying VIPs, scientists, and materials from Roswell to the Pacific during the atom bomb tests. He had to have a Top Secret clearance for this responsibility.

In 1980 or 1981, he picked up a newspaper at a grocery store where we were living in San Diego. One article described the crash of a UFO outside Roswell, with the bodies of aliens discovered beside the craft. He pointed out the article to me and said, "I want you to read this article, because it's a true story. I'm the pilot who flew the wreckage of the UFO to Dayton, Ohio [where Wright Field is]. I guess now that they're putting it in the paper, I can tell you about this. I wanted to tell you for years." Pappy never discussed his work because of his security clearance.

He described the beings as small with large heads for their size. He said the material that their suits were made of was different than anything he had ever seen. He said they looked strange. I believe he mentioned that the bodies had been packed in dry ice to preserve them.

[Here is what Sappho Henderson said on the American television program "Unsolved Mysteries".]

My husband Oliver Henderson, otherwise known as "Pappy" in the Air Force, he was entrusted with many of this country's top secrets. And they were safe with him. He never told anything that he wasn't supposed to. And therefore it was 34 years after this incident happened that I heard about it....

My husband told me the bodies were smaller than human bodies. The heads were larger and the eyes were rather sunken and a little slanted. Clothing was of material unlike anything he had seen before. They were strange, they were not of this earth.

When my husband, who was a man of truth, who was trusted with 29 different Army aircraft planes, first pilot aircraft commander, tells me this story, I believed him.

http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc397.htm

[Pimander]

2002 SEALED AFFIDAVIT OF WALTER G. HAUT

DATE: December 26, 2002

WITNESS: Chris Xxxxxx

NOTARY: Beverlee Morgan

(1) My name is Walter G. Haut

(2) I was born on June 2, 1922

(3) My address is 1405 W. 7th Street, Roswell, NM 88203

(4) I am retired.

(5) In July, 1947, I was stationed at the Roswell Army Air Base in Roswell, New Mexico, serving as the base Public Information Officer. I had spent the 4th of July weekend (Saturday, the 5th, and Sunday, the 6th) at my private residence about 10 miles north of the base, which was located south of town.

(6) I was aware that someone had reported the remains of a downed vehicle by midmorning after my return to duty at the base on Monday, July 7. I was aware that Major Jesse A. Marcel, head of intelligence, was sent by the base commander, Col. William Blanchard, to investigate.

(7) By late in the afternoon that same day, I would learn that additional civilian reports came in regarding a second site just north of Roswell. I would spend the better part of the day attending to my regular duties hearing little if anything more.

( On Tuesday morning, July 8, I would attend the regularly scheduled staff meeting at 7:30 a.m. Besides Blanchard, Marcel; CIC [Counterintelligence Corp] Capt. Sheridan Cavitt; Col. James I. Hopkins, the operations officer; Lt. Col. Ulysses S. Nero, the supply officer; and from Carswell AAF in Fort Worth, Texas, Blanchard's boss, Brig. Gen. Roger Ramey and his chief of staff, Col. Thomas J. Dubose were also in attendance. The main topic of discussion was reported by Marcel and Cavitt regarding an extensive debris field in Lincoln County approx. 75 miles NW of Roswell. A preliminary briefing was provided by Blanchard about the second site approx. 40 miles north of town. Samples of wreckage were passed around the table. It was unlike any material I had or have ever seen in my life. Pieces which resembled metal foil, paper thin yet extremely strong, and pieces with unusual markings along their length were handled from man to man, each voicing their opinion. No one was able to identify the crash debris.

(9) One of the main concerns discussed at the meeting was whether we should go public or not with the discovery. Gen. Ramey proposed a plan, which I believe originated from his bosses at the Pentagon. Attention needed to be diverted from the more important site north of town by acknowledging the other location. Too many civilians were already involved and the press already was informed. I was not completely informed how this would be accomplished.

(10) At approximately 9:30 a.m. Col. Blanchard phoned my office and dictated the press release of having in our possession a flying disc, coming from a ranch Northwest of Roswell, and Marcel flying the material to higher headquarters. I was to deliver the news release to radio stations KGFL and KSWS, and newspapers the Daily Record and the Morning Dispatch.

(11) By the time the news release hit the wire services, my office was inundated with phone calls from around the world. Messages stacked up on my desk, and rather than deal with the media concern, Col Blanchard suggested that I go home and "hide out."

(12) Before leaving the base, Col. Blanchard took me personally to Building 84 [AKA Hangar P-3], a B-29 hangar located on the east side of the tarmac. Upon first approaching the building, I observed that it was under heavy guard both outside and inside. Once inside, I was permitted from a safe distance to first observe the object just recovered north of town. It was approx. 12 to 15 feet in length, not quite as wide, about 6 feet high, and more of an egg shape. Lighting was poor, but its surface did appear metallic. No windows, portholes, wings, tail section, or landing gear were visible.

(13) Also from a distance, I was able to see a couple of bodies under a canvas tarpaulin. Only the heads extended beyond the covering, and I was not able to make out any features. The heads did appear larger than normal and the contour of the canvas suggested the size of a 10 year old child. At a later date in Blanchard's office, he would extend his arm about 4 feet above the floor to indicate the height.

(14) I was informed of a temporary morgue set up to accommodate the recovered bodies.

(15) I was informed that the wreckage was not "hot" (radioactive).

(16) Upon his return from Fort Worth, Major Marcel described to me taking pieces of the wreckage to Gen. Ramey's office and after returning from a map room, finding the remains of a weather balloon and radar kite substituted while he was out of the room. Marcel was very upset over this situation. We would not discuss it again.

(17) I would be allowed to make at least one visit to one of the recovery sites during the military cleanup. I would return to the base with some of the wreckage which I would display in my office.

(18) I was aware two separate teams would return to each site months later for periodic searches for any remaining evidence.

(19) I am convinced that what I personally observed was some type of craft and its crew from outer space.

(20) I have not been paid nor given anything of value to make this statement, and it is the truth to the best of my recollection.

Signed: Walter G. Haut

December 26, 2002

Signature witnessed by:

Chris Xxxxxxx

Source & References:

Affidavit extracted from:

Witness to Roswell: by Thomas J. Carey and Donald R. Schmitt, 2007 http://www.ufocasebook.com/hautaffidavitt.html

Read Witness to Roswell by Schmitt and Carey.  I can lend you a copy if you are skint but I want it back.  If you can discount the testimony then it is simple to move on from the Roswell case.  It is certainly not simple to disregard so much testimony.


I agree with your sentiment about most cases having an Earthly explanation.  There might well be one to this case but it is definitely not easy to dismiss.

[Sinny]

Pi,

Hand in hand with the Nazi scenario also comes a scenario involving 'genetic mutations' of earthly beings.
I'll also be exploring early flight tests conducted over the same periods involving monkey's in craft..
And I suppose 'mind control' shouldn't so readily be over looked.

I do not discount testimony - as testimony is sometimes the most accurate and reliable, and only source of information.
I only have testimony to back up some of the very real events that I have witnessed.
However, the validity and crediblty of testimony should always be questioned and evaluated.

As previosuly stated I do have an issue with testimony that is old rather than fresh, and as stated previosuly I have an issue with the ease with which these testimonies were offered whilst dealing with issue's concerning national security. I refer you to my points made on page 1&2. 

Where else do we hear of these 'little aliens'?

The Abduction Phenomena.

Throughout my recent research in regards to abduction by these so called small alien beings, much of this has been found to have be false/screen memories, and also lead back to very earthly origins.

The earliest description and witness we have to these little grey aliens, is that of Alistair Crowely and a handful of other 'adepts'.
In those instances - the beings could materialise and dematerialise - and would not fall victim to earthly death.
And they did not go by the name of 'ET'.

As I say, two years ago I swallowed the Roswell alien theory like I'd swallow a pint of lager after work.
However in hind sight - why would 'they' have me so readily believe this theory?

I tend to find the real truth gets buried, whilst real investigators end up real dead, real soon. 

So when I have certain people pushing a certain story, whilst they are very much alive and not under threat - I raise an eyebrow 

I only seek the truth, and would just as much love to be proven wrong in my current line of thought as much as I would like to be proven correct.

Thus far (and this is partly note keeping for myself), people skeptical of the Alien Roswell Hypothesis include:

Nick Redfurn
William Lyne
Martin Cannon
Jospeh P Farrell
Peter Levenda
Richard Dolan
Richard Hoagland
Richard Sauder
Jim Keith

Each of the above believe's that there is a very solid case for much of what we attribute to ET, being of Earthly origin.
I do intend to make an indepth study and evaluation of the two opposing theories - alas, I'm sure from an academic point of view this could take years, however I'm glad I stumbled across these people and their works - makes a nice change from spooks and perps of the 80's clogging up the scene.

Cheers for the offer on the book, I'm busy reading a fair few at the moment, so I may take you up on that when times allows, thanking you.

Another line of study I'd love to get round to is correlating the theories of all UFOlogists/Scientists/parapsychologist's that died suspiciously, and collate their information for any underlying patterns - based on my theory stated above.

I have Earthly University studies starting up again  - I wish I could dedicate more time to this, but hey ho -one book at a time eh.

Besides that, I have witnessed over 30 'UFO's'.
The most interesting and significant being in daylight and close proximity - why have I not been abducted? lol
Or have I been abducted?
Might have to mess around with the olde hypno regression at some point in the future aha.

Not sure if I shared this here before - so I'll quickly add it here, although it's probably not significatnt in any aspect.

I had a dream the once (2010/11 perhaps), I was in bed at the house previosuly detailed as the vantage point from which my 'Saucer' experience and others have taken place. It was dark, and probably the early hours, I was laying on my side looking at my bedroom window thinking I should draw the curtains closed, as I've always had an irrational  fear of seeing some sort of monster creep staring at me from there, even though I'm a floor up, and that's illogical.  As I was thinking that, two 'grey aliens'n appeared on the outside of the window, and stared through for about a minute, after a minute, one of them like 'melded' through the glass window, and took a  seat on my window sill. At that point I woke up.

Very strange - I have never before or since dreampt about aliens, especially not they 'grey' sort.

It just makes me ponder the implications of such stories is all.

[Pimander]

Hand in hand with the Nazi scenario also comes a scenario involving 'genetic mutations' of earthly beings.

From my own specialist knowledge in the field I can say this is not the explanation for Roswell.

I'll also be exploring early flight tests conducted over the same periods involving monkey's in craft..

That interests me too.

As previosuly stated I do have an issue with testimony that is old rather than fresh, and as stated previosuly I have an issue with the ease with which these testimonies were offered whilst dealing with issue's concerning national security. I refer you to my points made on page 1&2. 

Some of the statements have been made by people who were children at the time.  This is an incredibly complicated case for me.

Where else do we hear of these 'little aliens'?

The Abduction Phenomena.

There is more.....

Throughout my recent research in regards to abduction by these so called small alien beings, much of this has been found to have be false/screen memories, and also lead back to very earthly origins.

There are those cases definitely.  I think the abduction thing is probably not what t has been presented as for many reasons.  For a start there must be too many cases to explain as simple nuts and bolts saucers turning up.

The earliest description and witness we have to these little grey aliens, is that of Alistair Crowely and a handful of other 'adepts'.
In those instances - the beings could materialise and dematerialise - and would not fall victim to earthly death.
And they did not go by the name of 'ET'.

What if I said there was a picture of something like a grey found in Tibet?  I think it was found dead during WW2.  I'm fairly certain the picture is not on the web.....

However in hind sight - why would 'they' have me so readily believe this theory?

That is irrelevant in terms of establishing whether it is true.  It either is or is not true.

I tend to find the real truth gets buried, whilst real investigators end up real dead, real soon. 

So when I have certain people pushing a certain story, whilst they are very much alive and not under threat - I raise an eyebrow 

I disagree.  Only certain very specific matters are that sensitive.

Thus far (and this is partly note keeping for myself), people skeptical of the Alien Roswell Hypothesis include:

Nick Redfurn
William Lyne
Martin Cannon
Jospeh P Farrell
Peter Levenda
Richard Dolan
Richard Hoagland
Richard Sauder
Jim Keith

Each of the above believe's that there is a very solid case for much of what we attribute to ET, being of Earthly origin.

Hoaxland?  I won't go into why I think so here as it would take an age but a few of those characters are probably on the payroll.  Confusing isn't it. LOL

It just makes me ponder the implications of such stories is all.

So if they are also physical?  I'm baffled too mate.  The picture could be fake but there is something about it.....

[A51Watcher]

But we know that these 'investigations' were controlled to a certain extent.


You seem to be missing the fact that those investigations were for public consumption, and they do not account for the control mechanisms we have evidence for in the 1950's... I wonder -  if 'they' were manipulating sightings and investigations in 1952 onwards - could the very same group of people have been operating in this manner prior to 1952?

Actually the exact opposite is true.

If you had given the 3 volumes even a cursory examination, you would see that these 'investigations' were not and could not have been controlled or manipulated by the government.

This is the one area of information outside their control.

That is yet another reason why these reports are so valuable. 


I have interviewed several people quoted in the newspaper and their story remains unchanged to this day, and even gleaned a few additional details.

Give your fellow citizens some credit.

[A51Watcher]

Speaking of Schulgen and the estimate of the situation, turns out Kevin Randles' latest blog entry today is on that very subject -


"Roswell, Nathan Twining and the Mini-EOTS

There is a misunderstanding about the Twining letter and it is about what caused it to be written. To understand it in the context of the time, it is necessary to understand why the letter was written.

In July 1947, an officer who worked for Brigadier General George Schulgen put together an Estimate of the Situation, which is not to be confused with the big one that was written later. This mini-EOTS covered a number of sightings that had been made early in 1947, including a few that had preceded Arnold. LTC George Garrett was the officer who wrote this EOTS that was sent to LTG Nathan Twining at Wright Field for analysis. I covered all this in Government UFO Files, which, if I was smart, is all I would say about it, making those interested in this discussion buy the book. However, and with the help of many others including Dr. Michael Swords ...

In July 1947, Garrett believed that nothing useful would be found by additional Air Force (really Army Air Forces) investigation of the flying saucer reports. Both Garrett and Schulgen decided that the answer was held above their pay grade and thought of a way to pass the buck back up the chain of command so they would no longer have to deal with it. They were quite certain that when they assembled their information in what might be considered an intelligence Estimate of the Situation, they would be told that those at the top knew what the flying saucers were and there would be no need to continue to investigate. Or, I suppose, you might say that this is what they hoped would happen.

Garrett began his work on his Estimate in the beginning of July, 1947. He selected sixteen flying saucer reports that seemed to demonstrate the truly unusual nature of the phenomenon, and then provided his analysis of the data that had been collected.

The first case he mentioned preceded that by Kenneth Arnold; the man many believe "launched" the UFO phenomena as we know it today, by over a month. That sighting, from Manitou Springs, Colorado happened sometime between 12:15 and 1:15 p.m. on May 19, 1947. This was a silver object that remained motionless, giving the three witnesses a good look at it, and then made a number of aerobatic maneuvers before disappearing at incredible speed. The sighting report mentioned that it had been watched through optical instruments and had been in sight for over two minutes meaning they had time to study it carefully. This sighting does not appear in the Project Blue Book files, though it was used as support for Garrett's conclusions at the end of this study which in and of itself is interesting..."


Much more on the story at the link -

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/


(There ya go Pim, pre- Arnold!)