Riots in Ferguson, Missouri

[rdunk]

Well. rdunk...  That tells Me quite a bit about You.  [smile]

Me?  I loved it and agree with all it put forth.

Anyone who accepts what this guys says, as fact, is most obviously easily deluded!

[Amaterasu]

Aside from the fact that what He said (in a humorous way) I have read on news sites (including some of it in the MSM) and did not learn any new details, I enjoyed the thoughts and attitudes He offered about the facts.

[shrug]

[petrus4]

Well, many of Us have had Our fill.  I DON'T think We "need" any more.  I say We have gone through plenty enough.  I want a revolution in ideas, not blood.

You have, Amy.  I have as well.  But most?  If most of us are already tired of it, then why is it continuing?  We are allowing it to.

[Amaterasu]

I say it is not that We're "allowing" it so much as most have no idea what to DO about it.  They lie and most don't know, being indoctrinated from birth into the Disney facade.  Of Those who have awakened, few have plans, and many conflict with vested interests which can pay to suppress, much as They pay to suppress free energy.  Most really don't see much choice other than to keep on keeping on.

Lest You missed it there is a war on for Our minds...  [smile]

[spacemaverick]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/

This link will tell you the condition of the police officer and the beating he took before he fired his weapon.  In our training we have to look at the totality of the circumstances when force is used and this decision has to be made sometimes in a manner of seconds.  A decision in a matter of mere seconds that lawyers will look at for years.  Totality of circumstances:  The size of the officer versus the size of the suspect or assailant.  Mr. Brown was much larger than officer Wilson and literally was beating on the officer  inside the vehicle through the window.  In the article the injuries to the officer are told to us.

If you are in your police cruiser whether belted in or not it is hard to get any leverage for physical hand to hand combat.  Even if the officer had a Taser...could he reach it while trying to hold off Mr. Brown?  The officer is at a distinct disadvantage being in the vehicle and fighting...(fight or flight syndrome kicks in at this point).  This Mr. Brown has now committed a forcible felony and not only is he a danger to the officer but becomes a danger to all others around.  (This is a key you need to look at)  When Mr. Brown runs he is now a fleeing felon who has committed an aggravated battery on a law enforcement officer and now presents a danger to others.  Look at the following case yourself and you will find that what he the officer did was proper.  A case that set a precedent was Tennessee Verses Garner regarding use of force on a fleeing felon here in the US.

1.  Officer attempted to stop Mr. Brown because Mr. Brown and Mr. Johnson were obstructing traffic.

2.  Mr. Brown and Mr. Johnson would not listen to the officer's commands to get out of the road.

3.  Mr. Brown gets into possible verbal argument with the officer and then physically commits a battery on the officer. (Battery on a law enforcement officer) forcible felony now....

4.  Mr. Brown continues to beat on the officer (which is smaller in stature and in his vehicle...disadvantage to the officer) and officers fight or flight syndrome kicks in...

5.  When Mr. Brown disengages and takes off from a forcible felony he is considered a danger to those around him and must be stopped and can legally be shot for he has not only committed a forcible felony but is now a danger to others (Tennesee vs. Garner)

6.  Officer when shooting must consider his back stop (what's in the line of fire behind suspect) and take the shot weighing all these issues in just a few seconds.

7.  This now has to be called in via radio if he or she has not done so already.

8.  It now becomes a crime scene which must be protected and preserved until other officers arrive to assist.  Hopefully he or she has pushed the emergency button on the radio indicating they need help.  Pushing this button activates the microphone (hands free) so he can holler for help.

Now do you see the TOTALITY OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES?

All this done in just a couple of minutes which seems like an eternity in a fight.  I have been there through this training and have been in situation in the jail environment where there was no firearms involved and you have to use your wits and your mitts to take down someone trying to hurt or kill you.  I have seen and felt my adrenalin dump and the fight or flight syndrome.  I remember the larger individuals we had to fight using whatever we were taught.  Try taking on someone full of PCP...we did and it took 7 of us to take down 1 smaller person due to incredible chemically induced strength.

The training for these types of scenarios happens on a regular basis.  In a situation such as this we are trained to continue to engage using force until the person is no longer a threat.  This officer was in a fight where he felt threatened by being beat upon by a much larger person who got the advantage on him...do you see the picture here?

This is the training we go through.  A couple of minutes in a fight seems like an eternity when your life is in the balance.  I have found by working law enforcement and armed security that the criminals or wannabes are better armed than us in a lot of circumstances.  Hence the need for our special units.

Just thought you would like to know about the training and the split second decisions being made by officers out in the "hood" so to speak.

[zorgon]

I respect your ideas, but I do not believe we have the wherewithal to achieve them. We seem to prefer to self-destruct. It is a failing that is costing us our future as a species. Unfortunately, we are taking the planet with us.

Nah the planet is fine... Ma Earth has time on her side to clean things up.

But THIS picture proves your other point

[zorgon]

[Sinny]

Anyone who accepts what this guys says, as fact, is most obviously easily deluded!

Says he who thinks he's found 'aliens' on the moon and mars..

[Sinny]

Maveric,

I fail to see the totality of the situation.

Brown assualted an officer - so bleddy what, that risk comes hand in hand with the job.

The one with murderous tendancies is quite obviouusly the one who commited the act of murder, I.e, the 'officer'.

[WarToad]

So Sinny, if on one unfortunate evening, you find yourself being attacked and you defend yourself as best you can and end up killing your attacker, you have murderous tendancies?   

[Payton]

Brown assualted an officer - so bleddy what, that risk comes hand in hand with the job.

The one with murderous tendancies is quite obviouusly the one who commited the act of murder, I.e, the 'officer'.

So you're saying its ok to assault an officer because that risk comes with the job, and when said officer reacts to that assault in SELF DEFENSE its murder?

Wow thats a ridiculous logic

Killing someone in self defense is not murder

Whats the risk involved in attacking an officer? Getting shot!

[spacemaverick]

Maveric,

I fail to see the totality of the situation.

Brown assualted an officer - so bleddy what, that risk comes hand in hand with the job.

The one with murderous tendancies is quite obviouusly the one who commited the act of murder, I.e, the 'officer'.

You would see the totality of the situation if you were in the officers place.

[petrus4]

You would see the totality of the situation if you were in the officers place.

I am firmly on the side of the police, in the case of Ferguson.  This may sound strange, given how much dislike of them I usually express around here.  I did, however, hear about Wilson's injuries; injuries of that magnitude do not occur on their own.

There is total abdication of personal responsibility here, on the part of the black community.  There is the desire for complete immunity, to commit any crime they wish.  If anyone objects to their criminality, they accuse the objector of being a racist, and begin engaging in emotional manipulation, and making excuses for the crime.

I want no more defense of the indefensible.  I want no more excuses made, for things for which there is no excuse.  The activist Left do this continually, and I am tired of it.

[Sinny]

So you're saying its ok to assault an officer because that risk comes with the job, and when said officer reacts to that assault in SELF DEFENSE its murder?

Wow thats a ridiculous logic

Killing someone in self defense is not murder

It is you with the 'ridiculous' logic - I didn't state ANYTHING was okay.

(keep having to dodge all these assumptions on this forum)

Whats the risk involved in attacking an officer? Getting shot!

True.

But that does not detract from my point that the ONLY murderer out of the TWO, is still alive

[Sinny]

You would see the totality of the situation if you were in the officers place.

I doubt it.

If the officer felt he was 'too small' (and he probably is in some regards  ) to handle the BRUTE - then maybe he should have steered clear out the way, and let the big boys take care of it - without the bullets!

The only thing that is 'TOTAL' from this situation, is one dead man.