Riots in Ferguson, Missouri

[Sinny]

Everything was and will be 'make believe' up until it's creation Rdunk, you were 'make believe' up until you were born, as was the Hadron Collider and the AC current.

If our histostrical annecdotes are anything to go by, the human race has seen 'better' societies, ones which function.

Your really not doing our human progress any favours, here we are in the 21st century, with womenas right, slavery abolished, and a communication system allowing me to work with people from continent to continent.

You've if you wish to blame humans collectively for the mess we're in over the last two thousand years, you can blame those that collectively steered our civilisation this way - which has mostly been 'Christian' white males...

But the tables are turning, and we, as a species can now show some unity and work together from all walks of life..

Providing we ignore you - who would berate and detract from progress.

[VillageIdiot]

petrus,

I don't have an answer. I don't seek solutions to problems I know can't be solved. This one can't be solved because man will always be avaricious and bow to his baser tendencies.

You have faith in the human animal that I lost long ago. I did a job few would choose to do and in doing it my eyes were opened to things I would rather have not seen. My eyes were opened to the truth about what we are and are not capable of doing.

I respect your ideas, but I do not believe we have the wherewithal to achieve them. We seem to prefer to self-destruct. It is a failing that is costing us our future as a species. Unfortunately, we are taking the planet with us.

Regards,
V.I.

[petrus4]

You have faith in the human animal that I lost long ago.

No, I don't.  My position at this point is probably closer to one of cognitive dissonance, truth be told; or holding two opinions simultaneously.  I am well aware of the fact that there is a very strong degree of likelihood that we will become extinct.

I think the immediate future holds one of two possibilities.

a}  We become extinct.  Not much more really needs to be said, there.

b}  We do not become extinct, but we go sufficiently close to it, that the resulting trauma convinces us to make the necessary changes, which would allow the creation of a better society.  This is truthfully why in a way, seeing the situation in Ferguson makes me feel more optimistic than I have in quite some time.

I am aware that it is going to get much, much worse before it gets better; which is actually why I feel considerable enthusiasm towards the idea that it is now truly beginning to get worse.  I believe that America is going to experience a complete re-enactment of Nazi Germany, complete with concentration camps; and that it is further going to be infinitely worse than WW2 was.

I want the world to descend into absolute Hell.  I want humanity to literally feel the very breath of extinction on the back of our necks.  The reason why, is because in order for the pendulum to swing as far back as I want it to in the opposite direction, it is going to need to be pushed as far as it can in the dystopic/fascist direction first.

Man must have his fill of fascism.  Man must have fascism until he is utterly sick of it.  Man must have war to the point where he is either permanently convinced of its' horror, and makes a literally genetic decision to never partake of it again, or becomes extinct in the process.

There is no other way.  If we will not learn decent ethics by their observation, then let us learn them by their violation.  It was said during the making of the film The Ten Commandments, that Man never truly breaks the Law; he merely breaks himself against it.

The sooner we go through this, the sooner we can get past it; but unfortunately, we are going to have to go through it first.



What we've got here is failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you men.

-- Cool Hand Luke

[petrus4]

Another Possibility.

Also, VI, I would encourage you to read the piece at the above link, if you have not already.  It is my own short counterpoint to Amy's Abundance Paradigm novel, although I may write a somewhat longer version at some point.  This, however, will explain my anticipated model of the immediate future for you.

[Amaterasu]

petrus,

I don't have an answer. I don't seek solutions to problems I know can't be solved. This one can't be solved because man will always be avaricious and bow to his baser tendencies.

You have faith in the human animal that I lost long ago. I did a job few would choose to do and in doing it my eyes were opened to things I would rather have not seen. My eyes were opened to the truth about what we are and are not capable of doing.

I respect your ideas, but I do not believe we have the wherewithal to achieve them. We seem to prefer to self-destruct. It is a failing that is costing us our future as a species. Unfortunately, we are taking the planet with us.

Regards,
V.I.

No.  We do NOT prefer to "Self-destruct."  The psychopaths have pushed many to a f%^&-it position.  In desperation, with a sense of helplessness against the evil the psychopaths have wrought, many choose to "go with the flow," rather than fight it.  But with the communication of the Interweb, We are finding Our voice, discovering Our power, coming together, and making a difference.

If what You say is true, then the US would have moved into Syria and started a war there, too.  But We expressed vast outrage and Our voices made a difference and They knew They could not effectively pull THAT psyop off to the end result They were working towards.

Perhaps You have seen mostly these f%^&-it People?

[Amaterasu]

No, I don't.  My position at this point is probably closer to one of cognitive dissonance, truth be told; or holding two opinions simultaneously.  I am well aware of the fact that there is a very strong degree of likelihood that we will become extinct.

I think the immediate future holds one of two possibilities.

a}  We become extinct.  Not much more really needs to be said, there.

b}  We do not become extinct, but we go sufficiently close to it, that the resulting trauma convinces us to make the necessary changes, which would allow the creation of a better society.  This is truthfully why in a way, seeing the situation in Ferguson makes me feel more optimistic than I have in quite some time.

I am aware that it is going to get much, much worse before it gets better; which is actually why I feel considerable enthusiasm towards the idea that it is now truly beginning to get worse.  I believe that America is going to experience a complete re-enactment of Nazi Germany, complete with concentration camps; and that it is further going to be infinitely worse than WW2 was.

I want the world to descend into absolute Hell.  I want humanity to literally feel the very breath of extinction on the back of our necks.  The reason why, is because in order for the pendulum to swing as far back as I want it to in the opposite direction, it is going to need to be pushed as far as it can in the dystopic/fascist direction first.

Man must have his fill of fascism.  Man must have fascism until he is utterly sick of it.  Man must have war to the point where he is either permanently convinced of its' horror, and makes a literally genetic decision to never partake of it again, or becomes extinct in the process.

There is no other way.  If we will not learn decent ethics by their observation, then let us learn them by their violation.  It was said during the making of the film The Ten Commandments, that Man never truly breaks the Law; he merely breaks himself against it.

The sooner we go through this, the sooner we can get past it; but unfortunately, we are going to have to go through it first.

Well, many of Us have had Our fill.  I DON'T think We "need" any more.  I say We have gone through plenty enough.  I want a revolution in ideas, not blood.

[rdunk]

This reply deleted/moved to separate OP for appropriate presentation.
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7202.msg100550;topicseen#new

[Amaterasu]

[rdunk]

Why does this post have a different subject, but is posted as a reply in this OP?? Shouldn't this be a different OP??

[Amaterasu]

Not necessarily, rdunk.  You may note when You post that You have the option of changing the title.  And so I did.

[rdunk]

Not necessarily, rdunk.  You may note when You post that You have the option of changing the title.  And so I did.

While, it may be within digital action to change the subject of an OP one is replying to, I suggest it to be an inappropriate use of capability, and "potentially" quite offensive to the Original Poster when done. Just a thought for consideration. I actually just deleted my prior reply and reposted it, so it doesn't get overcome with the off the wall accusations of your new subject. So, all is well!

[Ellirium113]

Well IF this is back on topic then:

[Amaterasu]

While, it may be within digital action to change the subject of an OP one is replying to, I suggest it to be an inappropriate use of capability, and "potentially" quite offensive to the Original Poster when done. Just a thought for consideration. I actually just deleted my prior reply and reposted it, so it doesn't get overcome with the off the wall accusations of your new subject. So, all is well!

[shrug]  Seen many Others do it (z included) and have done it innumerable time M'self with no issues.  Is it now verboten?  Will I be banned if I do it again?

[rdunk]

Well IF this is back on topic then:

Just a few minutes of this idiot was more than I could stomach. 

[Amaterasu]

Well. rdunk...  That tells Me quite a bit about You.  [smile]

Me?  I loved it and agree with all it put forth.