LIVE from Ferguson, MO...Police Firing on Protestors, Media...Please share!

[zorgon]

I'm not particularly concerned about this one individual case - which DID NOT require 6 bullets IMO - but about the systematic underlying problems, which I'm sure I don't need mention again.

I disagree... we DO need to look at each individual case... because as hu-mons going about our business we rarely give a damn about "the systematic underlying problems".  Mostly because we don't care much until it's at our doorstep. but also because it's too much to grasp...

If more people showed outrage and took action on this case by case... maybe something would get down to route out the evil... but because we don't do much more than rant about it in forums (and that is only by a few) the "underlying systematic problems" never get addressed and are allowed to continue

If "We the people..." would march on the local police building and demand justice when there is a bad cop incident... maybe there would be less bad cops.  The way it is now  the 'blue shield' generally just covers it up. Rarely is a bad cop taken to task or fired.  Sure they pay out the law suits... but that is just tax payers money right?

If "We the people.." would actually stand up en masse and demand a bad cop gets removed... MAYBE things will go back to Andy of Mayberry

But maybe "We the people.." don't DO that because peaceful protest today is met with THIS



Spacemaverick.... when was the order given that "We the people..." are now the enemy and no longer need the "Serve and Protect" moniker on the squad cars?

And I repeat  MOST cops are good cops... but the good cops don't really interact with "We the people.." on a one to one basis like they used to to build trust.  Most people see cops when they are getting busted for going 5 miles over the limit, have a busted tail light, or rolled through a stop sign... and many get tassed for that   Hard to build trust like that when the local gang across the street is doing drive by shootings and no one busts them

Far as I know cops are still public servants  paid for by "We the people..."


The other day I was at the DMV.... my wife getting a DL...  It was hot outside so I waited in the area for the tests while she was on the road for 10 minute test...


The chairs they use are those tiny school desks with the little flip table. A normal adult can barely sit in them.

Along comes the security guard and announces "This area is reserved for driver tests ONLY   If you are not taking the test you need to leave and go to the general waiting area.  I will be back around and anyone not complying will  be escorted from the building!"

WTF?  I reminded him that this is a PUBLIC building and his salary was paid by "We the people.."  He never did come round a second time while I was there.   

But this is the security mind at its 'finest'  When I renewed my DL and my daughter her State ID, the lady said that in Jan 2016 state ID will no longer be accepted as Homeland Security has changed the rules and you will need a new ID

Ah well... even in NAZI Germany you were fine if you had your papers

[Wrabbit2000]

No wonder we're living in a fascist state (the 5 eyes) - half of you are welcoming it with open arms.

I cannot name a single incident in the U.S. where authority fired on looters simply for the act of looting. It's a recurring plot in Hollywood movies and its a common thing people fear whenever unrest comes (maybe a connection there)  but with the exception of a couple specific incidents in the late 1960's which may have seen it happen? I just can't recall it. Cops in New Orleans actually stood in criminal trials for shooting at people on an overpass who they thought were shooting themselves, for how I think it was limited for actual incidents that happened, even there.

The looters getting shot seem to be from private citizens, when it happens. I guess that is a professional hazard of being a looter, as far as that goes.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

I agree with you on most of this. But what happened in Ferguson was a planned event. Everyone knew it would happen it was just a matter of when. The governor held out the guard on purpose. Just my thoughts anyway. As far as shooting looters, that will never happen cause they need their destruction, their chaos, they only let it go so far and then it ends. I'm just sorry for the business owners that had to endure it.

Wrabbit2000

you're absolutely correct...just a pipe dream of hollywood...it's a threat unless you actually fire on the po po...

[ArMaP]

Once upon a time....

The cop on the beat was one you knew and trusted,,, you were sure you were safe and they were looking out for YOU. If you were not a criminal you had nothing to fear from the cops

THIS was THEN   

I don't know the US society enough to be sure if I'm right or wrong, but I think that's (at least part of) the problem, the "cop on the beat" now is not on his own area, he is a stranger in the neighbourhood and not part of it.

Almost all those bad police actions I see reported from the US make me think that the police acts that way because they are afraid of "the other side". I don't know if they feel like everybody is a criminal trying to kill them, if they are afraid of too many guns in the wrong hands or what, but, to me, it looks like insecurity.

Some years ago I saw some statistics about police forces, and one thing I noticed is that Portugal has bigger police agents per capita than the US, so it looked to me like the US is understaffed in terms of police. I have to look at some statistics.

[zorgon]

As far as shooting looters, that will never happen cause they need their destruction, their chaos, they only let it go so far and then it ends. I'm just sorry for the business owners that had to endure it.

YET!!!....

The LOOTERS can shoot the rescue workers and these Anarchists here have no problem with that

Mainstream media DID at least cover THAT live during Katrina

And we wonder why the Aliens don't show themselves 

[zorgon]

I don't know the US society enough to be sure if I'm right or wrong, but I think that's (at least part of) the problem, the "cop on the beat" now is not on his own area, he is a stranger in the neighbourhood and not part of it.

Well for the most part there is no more "Cop on the beat"  New York has some still... Las Vegas has bicycle patrols on the tourist strip and a few cities still have Mounted Police in the big parks

But the neighborhood cop that USED to be able to vouch for you for a bank loan is ancient history. When they still have some they get rotated so no one can get friendly with them

Some of our TV shows (and we have MANY on cops at all levels... try to show the cops as the good guys  but almost every other episode has a "Cop gone bad" script. In those stories at least the bad cop is taken out by the good cops.... 

too bad THAT part of Hollywood cannot be reflected in real life 

OH and the TV cops ALWAYS shoot to kill... even when they really need that guy as a witness...

Almost all those bad police actions I see reported from the US make me think that the police acts that way because they are afraid of "the other side". I don't know if they feel like everybody is a criminal trying to kill them, if they are afraid of too many guns in the wrong hands or what, but, to me, it looks like insecurity.

I agree  When it takes four big cops in body armor to subdue an unarmed citizen... you have a problem

Here is a good example... 

Some years ago I saw some statistics about police forces, and one thing I noticed is that Portugal has bigger police agents per capita than the US, so it looked to me like the US is understaffed in terms of police. I have to look at some statistics.

There IS a shortage of cops in some areas but look at that video  ONE homeless guy whose only offense was sleeping on BLM land. He was picking up his stuff and coming down when they shot.

A domestic vilonec case here in my area  Guy yelling at his wife outside...  no violence just yelling at that point.  The cops had 20 cars and one helicopter on the scene. They had all the roads blocked around it and we had to wait to be allowed to go home. There were no guns involved... the yelling was over quickly but seemed like the whole police force was there.

So then we get this one from Arizona...

A woman calls 911 and says a guy has a gun and a baby...  cops respond...  One cop shoots guy in head... detectives find NO GUN  (but do say he did have guns in the house) SOwhat? I have guns in the house too So do most out west here.

Point is he wasn't carrying... but the one cop shot him anyway... Turns out this cop has shot SIX people dead... but he is a "good officer"

Stay out of New Mexico and Arizona. Even though the cops have been forced to wear lapel pin cameras, they still hold the record for fatal shootings






OH and if your out in the desert hunting rocks and minerals, which is LEGAL and considered a 'recreational activity' even in some state parks...  you might have THIS happen

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[Sinny]

As far as I am concerned, we need to be far more concerned about individual cases, than we do about, "systemic underlying problems."  Justice is not served by placing vague abstractions ahead of real crimes.  If Brown was guilty, then that needs to become known, and Wilson needs to become exonerated.  If the black community are upset about that, because Brown being an aggressor does not fit with the civil rights narrative about how blacks are supposedly always victims, then I doubt they will need to wait long to get more grist for their mill.  A white person in the LAPD or similar will very predictably commit a racially motivated crime, before long.

This is the problem with that idea, Sinny.  The civil rights movement itself wants to focus on "systemic underlying problems," rather than on individual cases, because focus on individual cases might bring to light the inconvenient truth, that black people are not always the angelic, innocent victims that they are made out to be.  Black people are human to the same degree as any other ethnic group, which means that at times, yes, they do commit violent crimes.

Neither side is perfect.  Neither side is innocent.  I will openly say that I detest civil rights, and that I will continue to detest it for as long as the agenda of civil rights, or indeed minority advocacy in general, is merely to advance the cause of social dominance rather than equality, for the minority in question.  It isn't just blacks who do it.  Feminism does it, and the gay movement does it.

They do not care about the truth.  All they care about is that they get what they want, and they also do not particularly care about who really gets hurt in the process, despite claiming that they do.

Petrus, allow me to be clearer, I find inividual cases very important, but I do not allow them to distract from the larger picture. (That's the aim of the MSN)

Individual cases become targeted, disrupted and distorted - we must always allow for the bigger picture.

I do not care if the the dead individual is a criminal, or even a evil human being - the fact of the matter is, cops have no authority to decide that on the spot without due cause.
(Please don't make me expand on the phrase 'due cause')

Zorgons post on past and present adds the sentiment that I cannot type in this post.

Not one single other person in this thread mentioned the possibility of Psy-Ops for the most recent events in Fergy - which is always a given in todays fascist society.

How small minded even the open-minded have become.

[Sinny]

My views on individual cases are presented in my post to Petrus.

With all due respect, I don't just sit here and rant on forums, I have a very busy life style which also includes petitioning outside my my local police headquarters (I think there's a youtube video somewhere), engaging all local MP's in discussion via email, and 'popping my head' round the local 'Truth Movement' events for networking and brainstorming...

Not to mention holding down the slaves 9-5, and completing their indoctrinated higher educational system, in addition to exploring my own interests, as documented here on PRC.     

Sounds to me like there are a lot of 'back seat' internet 'know it alls' who want to rain on our parade.

I'm sure you feel the same in regards to your DOT MIL work.

[ArMaP]

Not one single other person in this thread mentioned the possibility of Psy-Ops for the most recent events in Fergy - which is always a given in todays fascist society.

I didn't mention it because, frankly, seeing how people react to something written in a forum, I don't think that's needed. 

[zorgon]

My views on individual cases are presented in my post to Petrus.

read that AFTER I posted 

With all due respect, I don't just sit here and rant on forums,

My bad that was directed at the generic 'you'  not YOU

I have a very busy life style which also includes petitioning outside my my local police headquarters (I think there's a youtube video somewhere), engaging all local MP's in discussion via email, and 'popping my head' round the local 'Truth Movement' events for networking and brainstorming...

So are you the Pitchfork Revolutionary... like the Olde American Revolution...



or the more deadly Western Gal type?

Not to mention holding down the slaves 9-5, and completing their indoctrinated higher educational system, in addition to exploring my own interests, as documented here on PRC.   

Sounds to me like there are a lot of 'back seat' internet 'know it alls' who want to rain on our parade.

Most people on forums are only here to rain on parades. Just look at ATS ratio of trolls and skeptics vs good story presenters

I'm sure you feel the same in regards to your DOT MIL work.

I did yes... but I stopped worrying about it. They can't handle the truth, until  it bites them in the ass


Meanwhile... somewhere on North Korea

A new toy for the kids

[zorgon]

Not one single other person in this thread mentioned the possibility of Psy-Ops for the most recent events in Fergy - which is always a given in todays fascist society.

Not ONE person has yet explained to me how all the daily news these days is all Psy-ops  and to what end? Just to stir up the forums chat rooms and social networks?

The vast majority just ignore it for the most part, hense why no one is posting about that aspect and Amy isn't here 

[thorfourwinds]

FOR THE RECORD:

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For those just tuning in: The KKK has threatened #Ferguson protesters with deadly force. So we launched #HoodsOff.

4:52 PM - 16 Nov 2014

#OpKKK: Anonymous hacks KKK websites, Twitter over Ferguson threats — RT USA

RT reported previously that self-proscribed members of Anonymous, or Anons, responded to the KKK's stated intentions to harm activists in Ferguson by compromising a Twitter account related to the Klan while at the same time rendering affiliated websites unavailable through a campaign of distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attacks.

On Monday, Anons published a statement by way of the affected Twitter account, @KuKluxKlanUSA, explaining the status of the headline-grabbing operation launched over the weekend on November 16.

"Before going any further, we'd like to address our idea of freedom. After exposing Klan members and seizing the Klan's websites and Twitter accounts, Anonymous members faced much criticism regarding freedom. Anonymous stands for freedom, so why would we strip someone of his or her freedom of speech? The Ku Klux Klan is a terrorist group. The blood of thousands of human beings are on the hands of Klansmen. In most of Anonymous' member's eyes, the KKK no longer has the right to express their racist, bigoted opinions," the message reads in part.

Later, the statement suggests that the compromised KKK account contained evidence that could potentially unmask some Klansmen and is currently being disseminated by hacktivists. Anons say they want to ensure they identify those individuals with utmost accuracy, though, adding "It would be against everything Anonymous does if we publically released information of the innocent."

Published on Nov 15, 2014
In the light of threats made on protesters #opKKK has been initiated to target all internet media and leaking all information and profiles to public #opferguson

East Coast Anonymous on Twitter: "Anonymous around the world are Ddos'ing (KKK) servers seen here on this digital attack map. @OpFerguson #OpKKK http://t.co/trkNN5vk73"

Published on Nov 15, 2014
In the light of threats made on protesters #opKKK has been initiated to target all internet media and leaking all information and profiles to public #opferguson

Charlie Dench on Twitter: "@EastCoastAnony @AnonUKRadio @OpFerguson @NorseCorp Here's a cooler map... http://t.co/FkdpRuHWjJ"

REALITY CHECK:
"It is illegal in Atlanta to wear masks during demonstrations..."
CH. 2  ACTION NEWS
11:02 PM EST

Published on Nov 19, 2014
Anonymous have hacked the KKK's Twitter and other KKK websites in what is being hashtagged as #OpKKK.

The cyberattack was in response to death threats issued by the KKK against any potential protesters in Ferguson. This is all leading up to the St. Louis grand jury decision on whether or not Police officer Darren Wilson will be indicted in the shooting death of teenager Michael Brown. We look at the free speech issue associated with the #OpKKK, in this Lip News clip with Mark Sovel and Jackie Koppell.

'We will hunt you down': KKK threatens to shoot Anonymous 'n***** lovers'

A bitter war of words between hacker collective Anonymous and the Ku Klux Klan risks spilling over into real violence, with the right-wing hate group allegedly threatening to shoot dead activists wearing the Guy Fawkes mask in southern Missouri.

Earlier this week, Anonymous sent out a tweet relating an alleged interaction between Frank Ancona, the self-described "Imperial Wizard of the Traditionalist American Knights," and a fellow KKK member.

In the missive, Ancona allegedly said those wandering around rural Missouri in a Guy Fawkes mask could "accidentally" find themselves in a hunter's crosshairs.

"Its deer hunting season here in southern Missouri, it's really easy to see how a hunter could mistake someone wearing one of those gay anonymous masks for the hind-end of a whitetail deer. Boom!!! Oops sorry it was an accident," the message reads.


Frank Ancona has now threatened to shoot anyone wearing Guy Fawkes mask in response to #HoodsOff #OpKKK

The masks really come off in the next message attributed to Ancona, with unveiled threats of violence and racist invective directed at the hacker collective.

The message claims the names of several Anonymous members have already been obtained, including that of "Commander X," described as "The Grand Wizard Of Anonymous," and another member operating under the handle @TrezSec.

"You pathetic n***** lovers are going down, we're NOT HIDING. WE'RE NOT ASHAMED OF WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE REPRESENT. THE INVISIBLE EMPIRE CANNOT AND WILL NOT BE OVERTHROWN, [sic]" the message signed with Anacona's name read.

"We will hunt you down and tear those masks from your face. You'll be strung up next to the chimps. On display for the whole world to see. The Klan is to be feared, not threatened."

On Wednesday, individuals claiming to be affiliated with Anonymous sent a video to News2Share saying they took the the statement as "a direct threat on our lives" that they would not stand for.

The video continued that hacktivists would employ every means necessary to defend themselves.
"If you attempt to aid the police [in the event of further civil unrest in Ferguson], just know that there are more of us out there than there are of you. But you will not know who we are. We are everywhere. We are among the protesters and we are even among you. Your violent ideology will not prevail in this fight."

They further told the police of Ferguson that if they responded to protesters in the city with violent tactics, they should know that they are "being watched very closely."

"You men have the guns and badges, but when you are on the side of the KKK, history will not look back on you kindly.

Take our warning. To the KKK and police, be peaceful, or you will face the consequences."

The two groups with a penchant for face-covering apparel began engaging in a perhaps unequal "cyber war" after the KKK threatened to use "lethal force" against protesters in Ferguson, Missouri.

On Sunday night, Anonymous listed the KKK websites it had taken offline on its Twitter feed, with reports of the attacks accompanied by the hashtag #OpKKK.

Even FarceB00k got into the action by removing this photo...apparently they chose the KKK over Anonymous...

The group also said that information garnered from the seized Klan websites and Twitter accounts could help them unmask several KKK members, likely sparking the "we're NOT HIDING" triad.

On Thursday, Anonymous released a video claiming they had information from a whistleblower which they say would link the KKK to the Ferguson Police Department. The group will not release the information, however, saying its specificity would ultimately reveal the source. Instead, they vow to "hold this information until we can connect the dots ourselves."

BREAKING NEWS ... UPDATE:

Greetings Citizens of the world, we are Anonymous.

Many of you are already aware that anonymous has declared war on TAK KKK and other KKK organizations due to threats of violence in Ferguson by Grand Wizard Frank Ancona.

We will not stand by and let peaceful protesters be threatened by the likes of the KKK. In response to this threat we have exposed many of the TAK KKK members, taken down their websites, and seized control of their twitter accounts. Our message has been heard.

Our goal is to protect the protesters of Ferguson, and our fellow Anonymous from possible harm. Through our efforts Frank has agreed to step back, and let the protests continue unabated. He has given his word, and in response we have given ours.

Anonymous will ceasefire on TAK KKK and Frank's associates provided he stays true to his word.

We are always watching, and should the need arise, we are prepared to unleash the nukes.

We are anonymous
?we do not forgive
we do not forget?
Frank and TAK KKK if you do not hold up your end of the agreement
Expect us... Again.

We are Anonymous
We are Legion
We do not Forgive
We do not Forget
United as One
Divided by Zero
We are Uniting Humanity
We Are You
Expect Us

[zorgon]

"Its deer hunting season here in southern Missouri, it's really easy to see how a hunter could mistake someone wearing one of those gay anonymous masks for the hind-end of a whitetail deer. Boom!!! Oops sorry it was an accident," the message reads.

Hmmmmm

[zorgon]

meanwhile... in other News...

Justin Bieber seen in Anonymous mask



The Anonymous Guy Fawkes mask is a symbol of resistance, the Hacktivist movement and online cyber-protest as well as sometimes even cyber-crime. But what does it become when "teenage pop sensation" Justin Bieber starts wearing it? Well evidently it doesn't become anything positive because Anonymous are already calling people to go after Justin Bieber for "making a mockery" of the Anonymous mask.

"Greetings citizens of the world we are Anonymous! It has come to our attention that Justin Bieber has made mockery of Anonymous. We now unite and make it known to Justin that Anonymous are not to be taken lightly"

In the event created by Anonymous they have pledged to "go after" Justin Bieber's Facebook page(s), his Twitter page(s), his PR companies and any personal email addresses they can find. "#OPButtHurtForBieber" as the campaign is called intends to show Justin Bieber that he should never be seen in public again wearing the Anonymous mask.

Do you think it is fair that Anonymous have targeted Justin Bieber?

http://www.eteknix.com/anonymous-hackers-target-bieber-for-wearing-their-mask-major-embarrasment/


Sigh.....

[petrus4]

I do not care if the the dead individual is a criminal, or even a evil human being - the fact of the matter is, cops have no authority to decide that on the spot without due cause.
(Please don't make me expand on the phrase 'due cause')

I overwhelmingly agree with this.  Due process is the main difference between a civil society and the law of the jungle.  I was particularly horrified by the Judge Dredd-inspired approach that was taken with Christopher Dorner.

Not one single other person in this thread mentioned the possibility of Psy-Ops for the most recent events in Fergy - which is always a given in todays fascist society.

I personally doubt that Ferguson was planned, but you've probably heard the saying to never let a good crisis go to waste.  As such, the end result is probably the same.

How small minded even the open-minded have become.

I hope this is not directed at me.