The 1952 Washington D.C. UFO Incident

[zorgon]

We get that all the time though New Media has always uses a stock photo or a manipulated photo to illustrate the news.

Unfortunately people remember the image and not the story

A prime case example is the UFO that shut down the Airport in China

If you read the story it says that there was an odd RADAR blip that crossed the runway and they shut down the airport because of that. But NO ONE saw it or took photos,

The Chinese TV station needed a picture so they used a Russian Soyuz Rocket launching a Meridian satellite as the "UFO"  Most people have never seen a rocket and don't believe it is a rocket anyway...

So end result  this is now a CLASSIC UFO wormhole  and if you say otherwise your a shill

Extraordinary UFO wormhole sighting in China - Forces Xiaoshan Airport to Close

[A51Watcher]

The blue colored ufo video is supposedly a reconstruction of the events and is from Nick Cooks documentary UFOs The Secret Evidence 2005

Link - http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread648741/pg1#pid10285494


Allegedly there's pictures of the radar screen showing the objects but I've never seen any I thought were the real deal ...





Image source:

"Saucers Over DC" - Col. Ross Dedrickson Testimony
Link - http://youtu.be/ScuhsQD88wk?t=7m24s

Nice addition easynow, thanks! 

[A51Watcher]

You don't need to do an analysis of the photo to see that the reflections match the lights.  It kinda jumps out at you  There are several that are in pairs which match the pairs of lights

Yep. The position of the pairs kinda puts it low on the priority list of things to process.

[A51Watcher]

See below.
Not necessarily.

The criss-crossing red lines that you say you have seen made by others try to replicate what probably happened in the photo, as that looks like "ghosting", a type of lens flare, the result of bright lights being reflected by the surface inside the lens and finally hitting the film or sensor but coming from the opposite position when compared to the original lights.

This image helps explaining what happens in those cases.



So it's possible (and even likely) that someone got a perfectly innocent photo of the Capitol and, without adding a thing to it, presented it as showing an "UFO fleet".

Too late. The angry mob already has their pitchforks and torches lit and are heading for the castle!

[astr0144]

I have not read this thread in detail as yet.

Initially I thought this incident was accepted as a possible real UFO case by most UFO researchers including on PRC.

But then A51 points out it seems a Hoax explaining his reasoning.

I actually thought that ArMaP may have actually questioned A51s suggestions ,not to just accept that  it may be sort of reflected or street lighting in the pictures used to look like the Objects appearing as UFOs. But may even of considered it a real UFO sighting . and was not debunking it with anything that may have supported more in doing so !

With regards to the Cameras that they had back then and the colouring...

I was not sure if they had somehow maybe took either early technology that may have had color back then or if somehow they have since added colors in the video like they can now make old black and white movies be in color...

so I was not sure if the variations that the video was showing..may have been created in various colors be in infared, ultraviolet or what ever one of the unusual forms seems to be , or be it black and white or what seems like normal color to give the objects variations that MAY offer one more options to try and analyse the objects maybe better than just showing it in one single form.


Zorgon

The video is an obvious fake because no one had hand held color videos in 1950's

I have used that image as illustration for the sightings but as long as real stories have fake images, there will never be any credibility in the field.

And all you do is give guys like ArMap ammo to shoot down your saucers

[Sinny]

The blue colored ufo video is supposedly a reconstruction of the events and is from Nick Cooks documentary UFOs The Secret Evidence 2005

Link - http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread648741/pg1#pid10285494

Allegedly there's pictures of the radar screen showing the objects but I've never seen any I thought were the real deal ...



Image source:

"Saucers Over DC" - Col. Ross Dedrickson Testimony
Link - http://youtu.be/ScuhsQD88wk?t=7m24s

I'm doing my homework now, but for the mean time, I am wondering about the origin of this specific photo.

July 19th-20th - radar observation, made by; Edward Nugent, Howard Barnes & E.W. Chambers (Think I've missed a few here, but these are notes to myself)

July 19th-20th - Visual Observations, made by;  Howard Cocklin & Airman William Brady & S.C. Pierman & Staff Sgt. Charles Davenport at Andrews AFB &  Captain Harold May. (Notes to myself)

Can someone please clarify that the E. W. Chambers sighting was on radar only? And are there further accounts from the aforementioned visual witnesses?

July 26th-27th - Is there a more detailed witness testimony from Lt. William L. Patterson other than:
http://www.nicap.org/ufoe/ufoe19_20_21_22.htm

Apparently two news reporters can verify Pattersons chase, do we have the names of these reporters? and witness testimony?

July 26th-27th -Captain John McHugo attempted to get a visual but failed.

Also note that Ruppelt was hindered by his superiors in his attempted investigation.

Do we have any other visual witnesses for the 26th & 27th?

I'm also confused about Col. Ross Dedrickson's video testimony. He is not specific with dates, But he implies he was a witness on the 'first DC fleet' only. Is this accurate?

In his video testimony he also states they were 'very visible'... if that's the case why didn't hundreds of people make visual observation? 

Did NICAP interview Dedrickson?

I see duping delight written all over his face in between his truth and lies.



I'm trying to reconcile these events amongst the theories of Leon Davidson's radar spoofing and James Carrions Rosetta deception.

I have not reached any conclusions ... yet.

P.s Astro & A51, have some gold on me, I hate odd numbers.

[A51Watcher]

I have not read this thread in detail as yet.

Initially I thought this incident was accepted as a possible real UFO case by most UFO researchers including on PRC.

But then A51 points out it seems a Hoax explaining his reasoning.

astro -

Yes the Washington DC UFO incident is a real case.

However the photo appeared years later and clearly is not a UFO photo.

And the video is just a modern rework of the street lamp photo. Easy to accomplish with any movie making software.

[astr0144]

Hi A51,

Can I ask , have you known about the photos and Video being fake for some time or just more recently.

Also IF you say that the Washington DC UFO case was  real...

How do we know for sure.. Are you aware if there may be other for real photos that were taken of the incident ...If so I assume that  they have never been released...

I also wonder what the real story behind it may be.

ie, was there several objects seen over the Whitehouse ? If so I wonder how many and Were they seen at Night and glowing or moving at some speed ?  or just moving across slowly...where for all we know they may have been Chinese lanterns.

astro -

Yes the Washington DC UFO incident is a real case.

However the photo appeared years later and clearly is not a UFO photo.

And the video is just a modern rework of the street lamp photo. Easy to accomplish with any movie making software.

[zorgon]

How do we know for sure.. Are you aware if there may be other for real photos that were taken of the incident ...If so I assume that  they have never been released...

I would say that the newspaper articles and orders to shoot them down in the OP would be enough?

[astr0144]

yes I would hope that we can believe the press articles in this UFO Incident.

Quickly browsing some of the posts...in the 1st one it refers to the Aircraft control picking up what I think refers to 7 objects..we assume as 7 UFOs.

Yet the photo footage even if faked..(which it appears to be with the street lights shown by A51)
shows several more lights than just 7.

Admittedly back in the early 1950's not that many people may have had cameras to easily capture the incident on Film.

[At exactly 12:40, seven sharp blips suddenly appeared on the scope. Nugent stared at the glass. The strange planes, or whatever they were, seemed to have dropped out of nowhere.

I would say that the newspaper articles and orders to shoot them down in the OP would be enough?

[zorgon]

yes I would hope that we can believe the press articles in this UFO Incident.

Well the ORIGINAL press releases of Roswell were good  until the tarp was pulled over it all

Quickly browsing some of the posts...in the 1st one it refers to the Aircraft control picking up what I think refers to 7 objects..we assume as 7 UFOs.

Yet the photo footage even if faked..(which it appears to be with the street lights shown by A51) shows several more lights than just 7.

Admittedly back in the early 1950's not that many people may have had cameras to easily capture the incident on Film.

This just proves that NO ONE save a handful of us old timers cares about the TRUTH  The picture dominate because they don't need to read

Look at the Jerusalem UFO Hoax... video #3 is actually a STILL PHOTO moved around in front of the camera.

Same as another recent UFO video  THIS ONE.. It is almost identical to the Jerusalem one, but clearly a STILL PHOTO... no cars moving in the city   The sky doesn't change

[Sinny]

I would say that the newspaper articles and orders to shoot them down in the OP would be enough?

Roswell was in the papers for being an ET saucer too, and I safely bet my left arm that true Roswell 'disclosure' will be that of military psy-ops and counter intel. 
As is the case now.. To some of us.

News articles aren't enough alone.
They are the primary method of propaganda.

However, the orders to shoot down are interesting, and so the case does deserve further investigation.

ETA, me an Z posted about Roswell at the same time.

P.s, actually Z, I don't think you are giving the younger generations enough credit..  I've learned more in the last 6 months about UFOlogy than I have in the other 4 years, and all my sources are quite a fair few decades younger than your most used sources. A lot of the older sources have led me astray, hindered, rather than helped. Of course, that's a gerneralised statement and I appreciate the exceptions.

[astr0144]

I have to give you Credit Sinny..

You have proved very consistent in your research and beliefs...

For some of the Older members..who have maybe believed in some of the UFO incidents that we see reported in ref to  many of the well known incidents..
Many of them have NOT gone into the sort of depth of research in trying to check things out ..

IF your theories do prove correct..that most of these incidents are hoaxs or Government / CIA set ups..

It does appear quite a few of these well known incidents are proving to have flaws.

But there are still some that may be hard to fully prove one way or the other..

I Think that it would be rather disappointing if they all did prove to be accounted for...as I am sure we all maybe want to believe that there are some mysteries out there that keep us wanting to always wonder about or that gives us hope that we may have some higher technology other than man kinds abilities...

Roswell was in the papers for being an ET saucer too, and I safely bet my left arm that true Roswell 'disclosure' will be that of military psy-ops and counter intel. 
As is the case now.. To some of us.

P.s, actually Z, I don't think you are giving the younger generations enough credit..  I've learned more in the last 6 months about UFOlogy than I have in the other 4 years, and all my sources are quite a fair few decades younger than your most used sources. A lot of the older sources have led me astray, hindered, rather than helped.

[zorgon]

News articles aren't enough alone.
They are the primary method of propaganda.

Eye witness testimony is useless

Photos are useless because they are all photoshoped (air brushed before that and hand doctored before that

Videos are useless because they are either fuzzy blobs (which they should be ) or clear pictures of CGI ships

So we have NOTHING that skeptics will accept Even some that have seen it for themselves doubt what they saw



So... this weekend I will go out and find some nice rocks.... take out my diamond head jewelers flexible shaft drill and carve me some aliens stones.  I will then use my geo chemistry knowledge and get those rocks aged just right.   Wanna pre order one? 

Well heck  if ya can't beat them might as well join them  I hear Klaus Dona gets $75,000 a piece   

However, the orders to shoot down are interesting, and so the case does deserve further investigation.

Nah forget about it  no point  They shot everything down in those days

P.s, actually Z, I don't think you are giving the younger generations enough credit..  I've learned more in the last 6 months about UFOlogy than I have in the other 4 years, and all my sources are quite a fair few decades younger than your most used sources. A lot of the older sources have led me astray, hindered, rather than helped. Of course, that's a gerneralised statement and I appreciate the exceptions.

With the result your now a prime debunker of Roswell   And you are ONE exception... the vast majority will OOO and AHHH over any youtube video. Try to say its CGI and your kicked aside as a shill

I am going back to Faerie Land   At least the younger generation still believes in Elves

[zorgon]

I Think that it would be rather disappointing if they all did prove to be accounted for...as I am sure we all maybe want to believe that there are some mysteries out there that keep us wanting to always wonder about or that gives us hope that we may have some higher technology other than man kinds abilities...

The Universe is a HOLOGRAM, a COMPUTER PROGRAM

Access is granted via your THOUGHTS  MIND OVER MATTER starting to be proven by QUANTUM PHYSICS

It is THE SECRET   Believe and it Shall be So!  Jesus told you this  whether you believe he meant moving the mountain literally or figuratively doesn't matter

Einstien told you "Reality is merely an illusion...."

So what was once true is no no longer valid The program is ever changing. Time lines cross and shift.  A small detail like the post on the color chart of the Mars rovers was straight a few years ago but now has a gear... No matter it is trivial but many of us REMEMBER the straight post because we looked at Soooo many Mars photos... but all the photos now show the gear.

Look around the web for similar stories  People that died are not dead... Things you remember reading are no longer found

The MATRIX is ever changing in small ways. Talk about it and they label you crazy

Think about that... google the changes... even TIME itself today is only 16 Hours in a day but the clock still reads 24

There is no TRUTH, there is only ILLUSION... We create our own reality... we create our own Heaven and our own Demons

Think about it...  you may find I am right



Russo and I just did a mega thread on the Ever Burning Lamps...

For some reason these stories just appeared again in2014-15  Coincidence?  Hmmmmm