Sharia Law in the US - Never Happen?

[zorgon]

During the Portuguese fascist regime political cartoons had to be made in a way that didn't make the message obvious, unless it was telling how good the regime was.

Hmmm sounds biased

Perhaps these type just don't have a sense of humor

[ArMaP]

Perhaps these type just don't have a sense of humor

It's possible, sense of humour depends in large part of the society we live in. I, for example, am not a great fan of US style humour and find stand up comedy worthless.

[Pimander]

I agree, but drawing a picture just to provoke other people is not being civilized either.

I agree it is rude to provoke but if you go and live in a country where freedom of expression is important you have to accept that some things people say or do can offend you.

If Muslims can't accept the price we pay for freedom of expression (it offends me what it says in Leviticus but I can't stop people selling millions of Bibles or Koran) then don't live in a modern Western democracy.  I know that sounds harsh but it is how millions of people feel.

30 men of Pakistani origin allegedly abused thousands of young women in Rotherham, England.  All Pakistani Muslims.  They got away with it for years because the Council and Police were afraid of being seen as racist and swept it under the carpet.  Frightening stuff.

[Pimander]

It's possible, sense of humour depends in large part of the society we live in. I, for example, am not a great fan of US style humour and find stand up comedy worthless.

Not even American Dad or South Park?

[zorgon]

30 men of Pakistani origin allegedly abused thousands of young women in Rotherham, England.  All Pakistani Muslims.  They got away with it for years because the Council and Police were afraid of being seen as racist and swept it under the carpet.  Frightening stuff.

This is what I am talking about  they always have RAPE on their minds  Fvck em all just exterminate the vermin  And the Bobbies are  really dumb for allowing this.

[ArMaP]

Not even American Dad or South Park?

I don't know American Dad. South Park has some good moments, but too few to make me want to watch a full episode. From the few I have seen, I prefer the first episodes to the newer ones.

[ArMaP]

I agree it is rude to provoke but if you go and live in a country where freedom of expression is important you have to accept that some things people say or do can offend you.

That's why I said "respect".

As long as you respect other people's choices, even when you don't agree with them, things would be more peaceful.

If Muslims can't accept the price we pay for freedom of expression (it offends me what it says in Leviticus but I can't stop people selling millions of Bibles or Koran) then don't live in a modern Western democracy.  I know that sounds harsh but it is how millions of people feel.

It doesn't sound harsh to me, but it sounds like you are treating all Muslims as if they were all the same, which, for me, is a sign of lack of respect for all the peaceful Muslims.

30 men of Pakistani origin allegedly abused thousands of young women in Rotherham, England.  All Pakistani Muslims.  They got away with it for years because the Council and Police were afraid of being seen as racist and swept it under the carpet.  Frightening stuff.

Yes, I know that case, but does it mean that all Muslims act like that? No, it means that 30 Pakistani Muslims living in the UK did it, in the same way some British paedophiles's actions do not mean that all British are paedophiles.

[petrus4]

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/egypt-bombs-isil-targets-libya-mass-beheadings-150216063339037.html

I am fed up with all of this back and forth bullpoop.  If anything, it just keeps proving to me that nobody is serious about doing anything to really control ISIS, or to remove any legitimate threat that exists.  That further proves to me that ISIS/Islamic extremism are not legitimate, organic threats, but that they have indeed been created by the trans-Atlantic intelligence community.

[Pimander]

It doesn't sound harsh to me, but it sounds like you are treating all Muslims as if they were all the same, which, for me, is a sign of lack of respect for all the peaceful Muslims.

On the contrary, I respect all peaceful people who are mutually tolerant.

Yes, I know that case, but does it mean that all Muslims act like that? No, it means that 30 Pakistani Muslims living in the UK did it, in the same way some British paedophiles's actions do not mean that all British are paedophiles.

It is obvious that not all people who are Muslim are paedophiles.  What I was trying to point out is that tolerance and political correctness have gone too far.  The authorities and people generally have been afraid to take action against certain cultural/racial groups.

I am of the opinion that people should be educated in the ways of a free democratic (I know we don't live entirely in one but...) society.  However, if they don't respect and live by those values then they have no place in it.  They should be denied citizenship and deported to a place that shares their values (including Westerners).  People have died for what we have today.  Nobody should be allowed to take that away!

[Pimander]

South Park has some good moments, but too few to make me want to watch a full episode. From the few I have seen, I prefer the first episodes to the newer ones.

The early episodes were the best IMO.

[Pimander]

That further proves to me that ISIS/Islamic extremism are not legitimate, organic threats, but that they have indeed been created by the trans-Atlantic intelligence community.

The philosophy they espouse was not created by the intelligence community.  Al Qaida are what they are because of primarily the CIA and their buddies.  ISIL are effectively a group that split from an Al Qaida faction.  They are now funded primarily by sections of the elite in QATAR, Saudi Arabia and certain Turks  - WHO ARE USA/UK's CLOSEST ALLIES IN THE REGION bar none.

I keep saying this.  We need another foreign policy.  The Washington Hawks and certain Christian fundamentalists (who believe they are participating in the final battle between good and evil) are driving the current foreign policy.  We need to change that.  Don't ask me how.

There are good reasons why I decided to leave the front line in these matters.

ETA: Petrus if you are serious about fighting ISIS/ISIL, what do you think we should do?

[ArMaP]

On the contrary, I respect all peaceful people who are mutually tolerant.

It's the way it was written, just saying "Muslims" appears to apply to all.

It is obvious that not all people who are Muslim are paedophiles.  What I was trying to point out is that tolerance and political correctness have gone too far.  The authorities and people generally have been afraid to take action against certain cultural/racial groups.

That's not tolerance, that looks more like some kind of guilt complex. And "political correctness" is one of the most stupid creations of the modern world.

I am of the opinion that people should be educated in the ways of a free democratic (I know we don't live entirely in one but...) society.  However, if they don't respect and live by those values then they have no place in it.  They should be denied citizenship and deported to a place that shares their values (including Westerners).

I agree, but not with the deporting, as that would create clusters of people with a common enemy and would give them more power.

[Pimander]

I agree, but not with the deporting, as that would create clusters of people with a common enemy and would give them more power.

Good point.  It would probably make more sense to remove full citizenship rights but not deport.

[zorgon]

Original raw footage says she was executed for adultery 

[petrus4]

On the contrary, I respect all peaceful people who are mutually tolerant.
It is obvious that not all people who are Muslim are paedophiles.  What I was trying to point out is that tolerance and political correctness have gone too far.  The authorities and people generally have been afraid to take action against certain cultural/racial groups.

Tolerance and political correctness have only really gone too far in the minds of the activist Left.  The reason why that is a problem, is because said activist Left are a group who have an overwhelming tendency to put political correctness before physical survival.  In other words, they are literally insane.

The group that I am talking about have substituted a mixture of Marxist (and Frankfurt School, more generally) ideology and hysterical emotion, in lieu of genuine critical thought.  They do not adapt said ideology in response to empirical evidence that said ideology might be flawed; they simply hold on to it and go through the routine that it prescribes, whether it is logical for them to do so or not.

Then again, pure democracy is not really applicable to our current society, either; and the reason why it isn't, is because democracy does not scale well with larger population sizes.  I think it was Plato who referred to 100,000 as being the size of an ideal city; although personally I would put that number much, much lower.

Representative democracy is also a farce.  It will never work, and the entire reason why it can not, is because the only basis of law is the consent of the governed.  In other words, if a Senate passes a law, then said law is only truly binding on the people who are literal signatories to the document.  Anybody outside the room, or whose signature is not on said document, is not genuinely bound by the law.  People can talk about delegation until they are blue in the face, but it is not truly binding, and again the reason why, is because said delegates never even attempt to gain the explicit consent of the people who they are supposedly representing.

If we lived in a society where the total human population was anywhere south of 50% of what it is now, then I could see direct democracy working within relatively small towns or settlements, where the technological level of said settlements was either minimal, or if it was advanced, was designed in such a way that it never went beyond human scale.  We can not have that, however, and the reason why is because the psychopaths will never let us.

People have died for what we have today.  Nobody should be allowed to take that away!

While I agree that people should be classically educated, I think it is very dangerous to base the worth of a particular social model, on the number of people who have died to preserve said model.  That is an extremely rapid path to fascism.

The other thing to be aware of, is that people actually have not died to preserve a given society as such.  What they have died to preserve in practice, perhaps, has been a set of ideals; but they have also not been able to prevent the fact that the very governments they were fighting for, have themselves always primarily consisted of exactly the sort of psychopaths who said military have thought that they were fighting against.

The Islamic invasion of Britain is primarily due to the immigration policy of Tony Blair.  I have always said, and I continue to believe, that the threat is never truly foreign; it is always domestic.