we are doomed for sure

[space otter]

very sadly this thread proves a point.. religion messes it all up..
some like rdunk can't stop preaching and some like zorgon can't stop poking at it
some like me just have to insert an opinion..
now if we drop all talk of religion maybe we can start something here by just being humans trying to get along..then again..maybe I'm dreaming that forums don't go in this direction ...sigh

anyway here's  another voice   the last remark is telling  imo

http://triblive.com/usworld/world/9030594-74/deal-iran-parliament#axzz3kmJDFNMt
Wire Reports    
Thursday, Sept. 3, 2015, 6:30 p.m.
Updated 12 hours ago

Ayatollah: Iran won't settle for 'suspension'

TEHRAN — Iran's supreme leader said Thursday "there will be no deal" if world powers insist on suspending rather than lifting sanctions as part of a landmark nuclear agreement, and said it is up to Iran's parliament, and not him, to approve or reject it.

His remarks, read aloud by a state TV anchorman, mark the first official comment on the deal since President Obama secured enough support to prevent the Republican-led Congress from blocking it.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has yet to express a clear opinion on the deal clinched in July, which would curb Iran's nuclear activities in exchange for relief from crippling sanctions.

Khamenei said some American officials have spoken of the "suspension" of sanctions, which he said is unacceptable.

"If the sanctions are going to be suspended, then we will also fulfil our obligations on the ground at the level of suspension and not in a fundamental way," he said.

In response, White House press secretary Josh Earnest reiterated the Obama administration's stance that it would focus on Tehran's actions and not its words.

Washington has been "crystal clear about the fact that Iran will have to take a variety of serious steps to significantly roll back their nuclear program before any sanction relief is offered," he said.

Iran's supreme leader traditionally has had the final say on all important matters, but Khamenei said lawmakers should decide on the deal.

"It is the representatives of the people who should decide. I have no advice regarding the method of review, approval or rejection," he said.

President Hassan Rouhani is opposed to letting parliament vote on the deal, which he insists is an understanding with world powers and not a treaty. Last week, he warned that if parliament votes on the deal, its provisions would be legally binding.

A special parliamentary committee has begun studying the deal, but it's unclear how far the process will go since the government has not prepared a formal bill. It's also unclear how much support the deal has in parliament.

"I think maybe the drama in my country may be bigger than that of (the United States')," Iran parliament Speaker Ali Larijani said.




wow how about that 

"I think maybe the drama in my country may be bigger than that of (the United States')," Iran parliament Speaker Ali Larijani said.

[zorgon]

Isn't the existence of such tech a MAJOR point of this website?

Used to be

Did Ben Rich testify that it would take an 'act of God' to bust it loose? Hello?

If it WAS busted loose, most people in the world would discover if their god is real or not in an instant

[zorgon]

very sadly this thread proves a point.. religion messes it all up..
some like rdunk can't stop preaching and some like zorgon can't stop poking at it
some like me just have to insert an opinion..

It's what Hu-mons do

now if we drop all talk of religion maybe we can start something here by just being humans trying to get along..then again..maybe I'm dreaming that forums don't go in this direction

That was the original intent... but we have seen how far that got several times

As for Iran, under the Shaw (yes okay he was not a nice guy ) women were going to universities, clothing was more like Western styles and they were becoming moderate


Then along came the Ayatollah and messed everything up

[Eighthman]

I get into big arguments with my brother in law about his view of Muslims.  It is my contention that even fanatical religions can change thru deconstructionism and interpretations that - to outsiders - seem crazy, relative to their sacred texts.

So, in Iran being gay can get you arrested and killed - but converting gender surgically can be allowed.  The Talliban will kill you for selling alcohol but may accept raisin brandy as 'medicine'.  Homosexual relationships and male pedophilia is strangely dominant in much of Afghan culture and they come up with loony reasons why they think Islam allows this.  British troops were shocked by this.

I think Iran will evolve into a secular, maybe even anti clerical nation - if we leave them alone. They are changing while much of the Mid-East isn't.  Let their young people skip prayers, hide sat dishes, and pretend to be obedient.

[zorgon]

I don't think these two Kings will leave them alone

Obama reassures Saudi Arabia over Iran

WASHINGTON — President Obama sought Friday to re-assure the king of Saudi Arabia that the United States will help counter Iranian aggression in the Middle East, as the Saudis expressed public support for the contentious Iranian nuclear agreement

During a meeting at the White House, Obama and King Salman bin Abd al Aziz "affirmed the need to continue efforts to maintain security, prosperity and stability in the region and in particular to counter Iran's destabilizing activities," said a joint U.S.-Saudi statement.

For his part, King Salman "expressed his support" for the agreement that is designed to "prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon and thereby enhance security in the region," the statement said.

The meeting came as the Obama administration lines up support for the agreement in which the United States and its allies end economic sanctions on Iran as it gives up the means to make nuclear weapons. Saudi Arabia and some of its neighbors have been skeptical that Iran will live up to its end of the bargain, and say that Iran will use the non-sanctioned flow of money to finance terrorism in other countries, such as Yemen and Syria.

"This is obviously a challenging time in world affairs, particularly in the Middle East," Obama told reporters prior to his meeting with King Salman.

In addition to Iran, Obama and the king also discussed ongoing conflicts in Yemen and Syria, the battle against the Islamic State, the Israeli-Palestinian dispute, the global economy, and climate change and clean energy production, the statement said.

Another topic: "On-going military cooperation" between the United States and Saudi Arabia, the statement said, including "fast-tracking the provision of certain military equipment to the Kingdom, as well as heightened cooperation on counter-terrorism, maritime security, cybersecurity, and ballistic missile defense."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/09/04/obama-king-salman-bin-abd-al-aziz-saudi-arabia-iran-nuclear-deal/71697468/

Arm the Saudies with ballistic missiles  Good idea  

[ArMaP]

Then along came the Ayatollah and messed everything up

Not everything, women still go to the university, and Iran has been the second country with the highest percentage of women in engineering courses for some years (with Liechtenstein being the first).