Fake Moonlanding . Buzz Aldrin punches Bart Sibrel after being harassed by him

[ArMaP]

"Z" posted a video of a NASA engineer saying so ! in his 1st reply (post 2)to this thread.

Really? At what time does he say that?

[astr0144]

Its in the title at the top of the Video..

Then if you watch the video it refers to the Van Allen Belt at the 3 minute mark..

I am unsure how legit that video is..

It refers to a Spacecraft called Orion... and is a up  coming  project..

The Video refers to saying that they have to overcome the Van Allen radiation belt before they can complete their expedition or something along those lines..

As the Engineer talks about it... there is some written text that shows up on the video and it says  could they not use the technology used in Apollo to over come the radiation problem.

He then says "we need to over come this challenge before we can pass this region in space.".

then at 3 mins 40 secs ..another message appears and says OH really.... didn't we do this in 1969...

ArMaP

Really? At what time does he say that?

That is a long video to watch Dyna...

Can you give  a shortened version of what you believe their expressions are suggesting ?

Assuming it refers to them referring in some way about the Apollo missions being for real...

Would you say that they appear truthful or deceitful in their expressions ?

Dyna

I think the expressions here say it all.

[ArMaP]

Its in the title at the top of the Video..

Anyone can add a title and comments to a NASA video and upload it to YouTube.

Then if you watch the video it refers to the Van Allen Belt at the 3 minute mark..

I know, I have seen that video several times in the last few months.

I am unsure how legit that video is..

The original is a NASA video, this one with the added comments is not the original NASA video.

The Video refers to saying that they have to overcome the Van Allen radiation belt before they can complete their expedition or something along those lines..

What he says is "We most solve this challenge before we send people through this region of space.", and what he was talking about was how the "radiation cam harm the navigations systems, on-board computers and other electronics on Orion". As Orion is supposed to be a recoverable vehicle to be used several times, its electronics must be more resistant to radiation than any other systems used before.

He never says that they can't pass through the Van Allen belts.

As the Engineer talks about it... there is some written text that shows up on the video and it says  could they not use the technology used in Apollo to over come the radiation problem.

That written text was not part of the original NASA video.

He then says "we need to over come this challenge before we can pass this region in space.".

Not exactly, see above.


Edited to add a link to the original NASA video:

[A51Watcher]

So it begs the question... in this modern era of hackers and super computers in the hands of the average person...  WHY do we still not have the secret of the TRUTH of Aliens leaked out?

Maybe because.... it's all a lie

Or maybe it's because the truth of aliens is not on computer, but still in analog form -







Think Pappy or Sappho are not reliable?

For shame.

[astr0144]

I think that I recall that you have commented on this before..

I know that "Z" had posted it or a similar video before.

So ArMaP was already aware and was testing us ! 

I cannot recall if I watched that video last time..I think I may have, and maybe had assumed that what "Z" had said about it was referring to the engineer suggesting that it was a challenge that we had yet to over come in order to pass that Zone..

Watching the video again, I can see what you were saying and it may refer to just that to do with Radiation effecting the Computers / electronics on the Orion Space Craft.

But It may have also suggested that we may not have been able to as yet pass that zone...

I agree however that was not made clear..

I assume you have commented on this with "Z" each time he posts it ! 


I know sometimes we get things in our heads and still post and say things,  that we may have considered in our pasts and believed at the time...even if questioned....and still post them in ref to future related topics..

So the question still maybe is there evidence that NASA has admitted or said  that they or Apollo or space missions  have never crossed thru the Van Allen Radiation Zone ?

ArMaP

What he says is "We most solve this challenge before we send people through this region of space.", and what he was talking about was how the "radiation cam harm the navigations systems, on-board computers and other electronics on Orion". As Orion is supposed to be a recoverable vehicle to be used several times, its electronics must be more resistant to radiation than any other systems used before.

He never says that they can't pass through the Van Allen belts.

I recall "Z" saying that any real Top Secret stuff would not be on easily connectable systems that could be hacked..such as the .likes of the Gary Mckinnion incident

Probably there would be Few persons who would be aware of such highly classified stuff..and sourced not likely to leak it..

but in the events like Roswell..when we are led to believe various levels of people were involved... there would seem too many persons involved to keep it from being leaked.

With regards to ETs using Analog form...

in what ways would this be... in space or here on Earth..

do you mean how they communicate their messages thru space ? or to other sources anywhere..?


A51

Or maybe it's because the truth of aliens is not on computer, but still in analog form -

[A51Watcher]

After Roswell it was arranged for President Truman to receive weekly private briefings on the UFO situation from an AF officer.

The catch was these briefings were made in a verbal only presentation with no record of them being made or kept.

So the AF officer in effect became the analog record of these briefings.

So too the Henderson's became an analog record of aliens being recovered in the wreckage.

[ArMaP]

So ArMaP was already aware and was testing us ! 

The best way of showing someone that they are wrong is to make them see why they are wrong.

But It may have also suggested that we may not have been able to as yet pass that zone...

That video is only talking about the tests made to ensure that all systems are working as expected for a ship that is supposed to go through the Van Allen belts many times, as that's something no other ship has done (as far as I know).

I assume you have commented on this with "Z" each time he posts it ! 

Yes, because the only thing I hate more than a misunderstanding is a lie, and this is how lies start.

So the question still maybe is there evidence that NASA has admitted or said  that they or Apollo or space missions  have never crossed thru the Van Allen Radiation Zone ?

From what I have seen, nobody has presented any real evidence of NASA saying that.

PS: although it's not as strong as the rest, the South Atlantic Anomaly in the inner Van Allen belt is crossed by the ISS frequently. Also, the Space Shuttle has gone through it many times, specially when going to the Hubble Telescope, as its orbit passes through the South Atlantic Anomaly, and according to this, although astronauts were not affected, more modern computers were.

Edited to add that some Gemini missions also passed through the South Atlantic Anomaly.

[astr0144]

That would be the best way to keep information maybe as secret as one could get...

Maybe those guys also had almost photographic memories. As many would be the top people involved.

But having no form of recorded info makes it ever impossible to prove anything from what I envision on the researchers behalf..

and real proof will always be at question ..

A51

The catch was these briefings were made in a verbal only presentation with no record of them being made or kept.

So the AF officer in effect became the analog record of these briefings.

So too the Henderson's became an analog record of aliens being recovered in the wreckage.

It may be the best way to get someone to at least look at something with more thought or consideration..and may show them that they are wrong..But there maybe other things that a person questions or other associated facts or info that maybe involved...

ArMaP

The best way of showing someone that they are wrong is to make them see why they are wrong.

In this case you may be right !

ArMaP

That video is only talking about the tests made to ensure that all systems are working as expected for a ship that is supposed to go through the Van Allen belts many times, as that's something no other ship has done (as far as I know).

Your comments seem Worthy until proven otherwise...

Thank you for posting that article..it looks interesting...I need to look at it in more detail..but at an initial browse it looks interesting and may contain some further answers or raise more questions..

I suspect you had posted this at sometime before in a similar discussion ..

I am Not aware of some of the things that you have wrote such as  the S.A.A

IF you are correct then this seems to suggest that Man has or is capable of passing the Van Allen radiation belt zone and probably have been to the Moon...

As so many similar things were discussed in the past..that seemed to have no real evidence.. is this something newly posted to prove otherwise !     

From what I have seen, nobody has presented any real evidence of NASA saying that.

PS: although it's not as strong as the rest, the South Atlantic Anomaly in the inner Van Allen belt is crossed by the ISS frequently. Also, the Space Shuttle has gone through it many times, specially when going to the Hubble Telescope, as its orbit passes through the South Atlantic Anomaly, and according to this, although astronauts were not affected, more modern computers were.

Edited to add that some Gemini missions also passed through the South Atlantic Anomaly.

[ArMaP]

But having no form of recorded info makes it ever impossible to prove anything from what I envision on the researchers behalf..

Communication between departments can be kept on a personal, non-documented way, but if there's some work being done, not having documentation about it is the best way of losing the work already done.

I suspect you had posted this at sometime before in a similar discussion ..

I don't remember posting it before, but it's possible.

I am Not aware of some of the things that you have wrote such as  the S.A.A

One interesting thing about the SAA is that it covers most of South America, an area that has many UFO sightings. Could that be related to the closer proximity of the Van Allen belt on that region? I don't have the slightest idea, but it's a thought.

[Dyna]

The very beginning is enough, people normally smile when getting a standing ovation, these guys look pained by it, ashamed.

[zorgon]

The very beginning is enough, people normally smile when getting a standing ovation, these guys look pained by it, ashamed.

This is a short clip... when Sir Patrick Moore asks them if they saw stars on the Moon

[astr0144]

It maybe the 1st time we have been informed about the details of the NASA computers and the S.A.A then.. and this seems quite a complex subject.Trying to determine what it is and or how this effects things relative to the Spacecrafts effects or possibilities of being able to pass thru the Van Allen belt or not may not be an easy task.

but its perhaps something new to consider..

I don't remember posting it before, but it's possible.

The article about NASAs computer systems makes ref to what was involved and what they had to come up with to find the right designs that would work in such Space conditions...

Designers also found out that laptops would crash when the shuttle passes through the "South Atlantic Anomaly," which is an area where the magnetic field draws in to Earth, again offering less radiation filtering for spacecraft flying through it.

Maybe its an interesting thought to consider..something that I suspect few of us were aware about...

And I am not sure if you may refer to Extra Terrestrial UFOs or Man made ones ? 

but that could be an interesting thing to try to do some research on, as to looking into how many and what types of sightings take place around these zones.

There is a LOT of info to try to digest in order to try to get some understanding..and a hard thought process in trying to make a conclusion as to what is said maybe correct or not..and then to try to make a conclusion if have we managed to pass this zone or not ?

Not something that could be done without a fair bit of study and research I think !  and then having the abilities to try to conclude   Chances are few of us will be much wiser !

One interesting thing about the SAA is that it covers most of South America, an area that has many UFO sightings. Could that be related to the closer proximity of the Van Allen belt on that region? I don't have the slightest idea, but it's a thought.

Some Info on the Van Allen Radiation belt..

A radiation belt is a layer of energetic charged particles that is held in place around a magnetized planet, such as the Earth, by the planet's magnetic field. The Earth has two such belts and sometimes others may be temporarily created. The discovery of the belts is credited to James Van Allen and as a result the Earth's belts bear his name. The main belts extend from an altitude of about 1,000 to 60,000 kilometers above the surface in which region radiation levels vary. Most of the particles that form the belts are thought to come from solar wind and other particles by cosmic rays.[1] The belts are located in the inner region of the Earth's magnetosphere. The belts contain energetic electrons that form the outer belt and a combination of protons and electrons that form the inner belt. The radiation belts additionally contain less amounts of other nuclei, such as alpha particles. The belts endanger satellites, which must protect their sensitive components with adequate shielding if their orbit spends significant time in the radiation belts. In 2013, NASA reported that the Van Allen Probes had discovered a transient, third radiation belt, which was observed for four weeks until destroyed by a powerful, interplanetary shock wave from the Sun.[2]

and its Implications for Space Travel..

Implications for space travel[edit]
Spacecraft travelling beyond low Earth orbit leave the protection of earth's geomagnetic field and transit the Van Allen belts. Beyond these, they face additional hazards from cosmic rays and solar flares. A region between the inner and outer Van Allen belts lies at two to four Earth radii and is sometimes referred to as the "safe zone".[26][27]
Solar cells, integrated circuits, and sensors can be damaged by radiation. Geomagnetic storms occasionally damage electronic components on spacecraft. Miniaturization and digitization of electronics and logic circuits have made satellites more vulnerable to radiation, as the total electric charge in these circuits is now small enough so as to be comparable with the charge of incoming ions. Electronics on satellites must be hardened against radiation to operate reliably. The Hubble Space Telescope, among other satellites, often has its sensors turned off when passing through regions of intense radiation.[28] A satellite shielded by 3 mm of aluminium in an elliptic orbit (200 by 20,000 miles (320 by 32,190 km)) passing the radiation belts will receive about 2,500 rem (25 Sv) per year. Almost all radiation will be received while passing the inner belt.[29]
The Apollo missions marked the first event where humans traveled through the Van Allen belts, which was one of several radiation hazards known by mission planners.[30] The astronauts had low exposure in the Van Allen belts due to the short period of time spent flying through them. Apollo flight trajectories bypassed the inner belts completely to send spacecraft though only the thinner areas of the outer belts.[31][32] The command module's inner structure was an aluminum "sandwich" consisting of a welded aluminium inner skin, a thermally bonded honeycomb core, and a thin aluminium "face sheet". The steel honeycomb core and outer face sheets were thermally bonded to the inner skin.
Astronauts' overall exposure was actually dominated by solar particles once outside Earth's magnetic field. The total radiation received by the astronauts varied from mission to mission but was measured to be between 0.16 and 1.14 rads (1.6 and 11.4 mGy), much less than the standard of 5 rem (50 mSv) per year set by the United States Atomic Energy Commission for people who work with radioactivity.[

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belt

Info on the South Atlantic Anomaly (S.A.A)

The South Atlantic Anomaly (SAA) is an area where the Earth's inner Van Allen radiation belt comes closest to the Earth's surface dipping down to an altitude of 200 km (124 mi). This leads to an increased flux of energetic particles in this region and exposes orbiting satellites to higher-than-usual levels of radiation. The effect is caused by the non-concentricity of the Earth and its magnetic dipole, and the SAA is the near-Earth region where the Earth's magnetic field is weakest relative to an idealized Earth-centered dipole field.

Position and shape[edit]
The Van Allen radiation belts are symmetric about the Earth's magnetic axis, which is tilted with respect to the Earth's rotational axis by an angle of approximately 11 degrees. The intersection between the magnetic and rotation axes of the Earth is located not at the Earth's centre, but some 500 kilometres (300 mi) further north. Because of this asymmetry, the inner Van Allen belt is closest to the Earth's surface over the south Atlantic ocean where it dips down to 200 km (124 mi) altitude, and farthest from the Earth's surface over the north Pacific ocean.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Atlantic_Anomaly

[ArMaP]

The article about NASAs computer systems makes ref to what was involved and what they had to come up with to find the right designs that would work in such Space conditions...

High energy particles have been known to interfere with modern computers for some time, as modern electronics are more likely to have soft errors.

And I am not sure if you may refer to Extra Terrestrial UFOs or Man made ones ? 

Only UFOs, as I have no way of knowing their origin.