Water, atmosphere and life on the Moon

[vril-ya]

you are wrong there, don't be so easily fooled. i do think some of adamski's footage wasn't genuine, it is mixed for whatever reason, just like these and adamski is only one of many to claim water, atmosphere and life on the moon.

menger's trip to the moon august 1956

more detailed account of this trip in menger's book "from outer space to you", scroll down to "project moon" chapter.

beware, first photos of the far side were officially published by soviets in 1960

My point being you have some nice photos and an interesting premise, but basing that premise on contactees could turn out to be quicksand.

Personally I would like to see you expand your premise and research, without the need for bringing contactees into it.

Just my 2 cents.

[A51Watcher]

you are wrong there, don't be so easily fooled.

Not to worry, I am not fooled by Menger or any of the contactee gang.

Adamski's footage was hoaxed as well as Mengers 'for whatever reason'.

Fry and Van Tassel are no better.

Apparently I am not the one who needs be concerned about being easily fooled.

Even when faced with the evidence of hoaxery, some still exhibit the will to believe.

Amazing.

[A51Watcher]

"George Adamski

The contactees' tales of rides in flying saucers and visits to other planets are now universally dismissed as hoaxes.

However, despite their sheer silliness, the stories did have a profound cultural impact at the time, and the contactees themselves attracted many thousands of followers in what was the first appearance of the quasi-religious aspect of the UFO phenomenon.

The contactees were the precursors of the UFO cults that continue to flourish as part of the New Age movement.

Although many such gurus emerged during the 1950s, the first and most famous of the contactees to make a public impact were George Adamski and Howard Menger.

Adamski in particular, until his death in 1965, sold great quantities of books, including the bestselling Flying Saucers Have Landed (1953), co-written with Desmond Leslie, describing his adventures with the "Space Brothers".

He travelled the world giving well-attended lectures, impressing many people, including leading members of European royal houses.

Menger has largely been identified as someone who saw Adamski's success and wanted a part of the money and fame that befell Adamski.

Menger did not state that the aliens gave him a religious message (though they did give him a diet for weight-loss!), which means his impact, following and fame have not been as lasting as Adamski.


Howard Menger

Today, Adamski is seen as a con-man, Menger as a man who copied a con-man and whom during one television interview admitted as much.


Yet once again, the situation is not as simple as it seems, because solid evidence exists that at least these two individuals were acting as part of an intelligence-backed operation.

Apart from admitting he jumped on Adamski's bandwagon, in the 1960s, Menger also admitted that he had worked for the CIA, and that his story was part of an experiment to test public reactions to the idea of extraterrestrial contact.

In short, Menger's story was a CIA experiment to see how easily and whom specifically could be fooled into believing anything.

More significantly, it is now known that Adamski was the same: he was not only encouraged in his work, but actively supported and assisted, by the CIA.

This became known – though not widely reported when scientists attempting to investigate Adamski's claims (in an effort to discredit him and stop him in his tracks) were warned off by CIA Director Allen Dulles in person.

And research has shown that during tours of Europe and Australia to promote his "message", Adamski travelled on a passport furnished by the CIA.

During a 1953 speech, Adamski even calmed an anxious crowd by assuring the audience that the CIA and the FBI had cleared his statements!

Interestingly, long before this information became public, Leon Davidson had already stated that Adamski was controlled by the CIA."

http://philipcoppens.com/ufo_ciapipers.html


Actually the motive for the CIA's involvement was much easier to understand.

The military had failed miserably at explaining or calming the public's fears about the very real massive flying saucer invasion that begun shortly beforehand.

Could Adamski do better with tales of space brothers from Venus?

Apparently so.

[vril-ya]

like i said, you are being easily fooled. all of the contactees you noted were genuine. and this is not a thread about the contactees, but about the moon.

Not to worry, I am not fooled by Menger or any of the contactee gang.

Adamski's footage was hoaxed as well as Mengers 'for whatever reason'.

Fry and Van Tassel are no better.

Apparently I am not the one who needs be concerned about being easily fooled.

Even when faced with the evidence of hoaxery, some still exhibit the will to believe.

Amazing.

[vril-ya]

marginis by chang'e. doesn't look too much different than downtown manhattan does it. just take note of size scale here. the crop below covers an area of ~80km horizontaly.

http://www.gigapan.com/gigapans/165019

[A51Watcher]

like i said, you are being easily fooled. all of the contactees you noted were genuine. and this is not a thread about the contactees, but about the moon.

Repeating yourself does not make it so.

Neither does ignoring evidence to the contrary.

You introducing contactess as corroboration, does make them part of the thread.

That's how debate works.

Obfuscation never works.

 

[vril-ya]

making false accusations doesn't make them true. you are trying to obfuscate the truth by lying about contactees. fact remains, ALL of the contactees noted were genuine.

Repeating yourself does not make it so.

Neither does ignoring evidence to the contrary.

You introducing contactess as corroboration, does make them part of the thread.

That's how debate works.

Obfuscation never works.

[A51Watcher]

making false accusations doesn't make them true. you are trying to obfuscate the truth by lying about contactees. fact remains, ALL of the contactees noted were genuine.

Odd then that they would falsify evidence to support their claims.

Genuine hoaxes.

[vril-ya]

i already agreed some of the adamski footage is fake, same is even possible for fry, for menger and nelson, i believe they never faked anything. but, this partial fakery was there for simple reason to filter out those easily fooled, still effective on you. partially faked evidence doesn't mean that case behind it is not real. there are powers who will go to any lengths to discredit the truth-tellers. sometimes you have to read between the lines, criss cross data and use your intuition to discern the truth.

Odd then that they would falsify evidence to support their claims.

Genuine hoaxes.

[A51Watcher]

i already agreed some of the adamski footage is fake, same is even possible for fry, for menger and nelson, i believe they never faked anything. but, this partial fakery was there for simple reason to filter out those easily fooled, still effective on you. partially faked evidence doesn't mean that case behind it is not real. there are powers who will go to any lengths to discredit the truth-tellers. sometimes you have to read between the lines, criss cross data and use your intuition to discern the truth.

I rest my case.

[vril-ya]

that is simply sad, especially these days when these truths are finally coming to the open and are being widely accepted as factual.

I rest my case.

[vril-ya]

i just discovered there was an article in borderland sciences journal in issue vol 25 from SEPT-OCT 1969 titled "LAKE TSIOLKOVSKY On the Far Side of the Moon". will try to get the article.

https://borderlandsciences.org/journal/vol/25/n05/index.html

[easynow]

Apollo 15 image of Tsiolkovsky ...


http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS15-M-1574

Large - http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/images/print/AS15/M/1574.jpg



No lake just a dark basin.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Lunar+Orbiter+Tsiolkovsky



The vladimir trrezinski pictures could be of a Moon model ...

Link - http://spacetime.forumotion.com/t742-apollo-lunar-mission-simulators

Just saying 

[vril-ya]

just got the article from borderland sciences journal, issue vol 25 from SEPT-OCT 1969

"LAKE TSIOLKOVSKY On the Far Side of the Moon"

http://s12.postimg.org/ufjummde3/JBR_v25_n05_p4.png

[vril-ya]

this photo needed to be flipped horizontally, now it is in the original perspective