Water, atmosphere and life on the Moon

[Sinny]

Not to worry, I am not fooled by Menger or any of the contactee gang.

Adamski's footage was hoaxed as well as Mengers 'for whatever reason'.

Fry and Van Tassel are no better.

Apparently I am not the one who needs be concerned about being easily fooled.

Even when faced with the evidence of hoaxery, some still exhibit the will to believe.

Amazing.

Well Van Tassel was a bit better .. For his work with Constable.

Both of them were channeling entities.. It was those channeled entities who advised TJC to try new photography techniques which resulted in photo's of the UFO's over giant rock in the 1950's.

Only those UFO's weren't nuts n bolts, but plasmoid.. or something.

Were the channeled entities being manipulative in feigning that they were the 'sky critters' ... or are they the sky critters? 

Remains to be seen, imo.

@Vril-ya.. I think that you would do well to note that whilst none human intelligence exist, also note that for as much truth these entities speak, many speak just as much in lie's.




And then sometime's you just have the alphabet agency psyop team#s to deal with.

[vril-ya]

i wouldn't refer to them if i thought they lied..

richard miller of solar cross foundation saying "farewell good brothers" in universal tongue:



channeled tour de solar system:



i also uploaded a book made from these channelings:

http://ponistra.net/addon/223322302-Star-Wards-Welcome-Home-Earthman-by-Richard-T-Miller-SE.pdf

full table of content from the book:

Well Van Tassel was a bit better .. For his work with Constable.

Both of them were channeling entities.. It was those channeled entities who advised TJC to try new photography techniques which resulted in photo's of the UFO's over giant rock in the 1950's.

Only those UFO's weren't nuts n bolts, but plasmoid.. or something.

Were the channeled entities being manipulative in feigning that they were the 'sky critters' ... or are they the sky critters? 

Remains to be seen, imo.

@Vril-ya.. I think that you would do well to note that whilst none human intelligence exist, also note that for as much truth these entities speak, many speak just as much in lie's.




And then sometime's you just have the alphabet agency psyop team#s to deal with.

[Sinny]

I wouldn't be referring to their lies if I thought they'd told the truth.

I done quite a bit of digging into Dick Miller too. All lies.
Well. They all dabbled in channeling. The rest is lies.

As some of you are aware I've been studying some "fringe" "channelers" in the ET/UFO field.

Now I really don't want to keep spamming the site with the same old "mumbo Jumbo", however during in my course of researching the Doris 'Dhama' Ekkers Phoenix Journals - Commander Hatonn, I was of course also looking at criticism, refuters and debunkers.

The only person who has claimed that Hatonn is fraud that I've yet investigated (thoroughly) myself is one called Richard T Miller of the Solar Cross Foundation.

Who is Richard T Miller?

Richard T Miller claims to have been in the Operations Room of Scott Air Force Base in Belleville, Illinois, at the time Thomas Mantell was rumored to have been killed whilst flying his plane tracking a UFO.

For details:
http://www.ufocasebook.com/Mantell.html
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/prepare4contact/message/28744

Richard Miller created an organization called The Solar Cross Foundation to investigate the ET/UFO Phenomena. There's not much to be found on the Solar Cross Foundation to say the least:

The Solar Cross Foundation (1955 - 1979)
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ricahrd+t+miller+the+solar+cross+foundation&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#client=firefox-a&hs=4Xa&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=richard+t+miller+the+solar+cross+foundation&spell=1&sa=X&ei=QAhvUfuuIsWd0AXfnoHABA&ved=0CC4QvwUoAA&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.45368065,d.d2k&fp=c6c0eceedbf3f154&biw=1360&bih=645

Richard T Miller then went on to author the book  Star Wards - Welcome Home Earth Man (and two sequels, I believe)
http://www.amazon.com/STAR-WARDS-Welcome-Home-Earthman/dp/B000OFWL94

He later went on to create The Phoenix Project -  Its long to explain so here I'll excerpt from Paranet.

Paranet investigated The Phoenix Project quite thoroughly - and a lot can be understood from reading the whole transcripts. (linked below after all quotes)

Amongst the things Paranet *thought* they discovered was a connection between The Phoenix Project by Richard T Miller & Co and The Phoenix Project - Doris 'Dhama' Ekker - a connection made because BOTH Richard and Dhama claim to 'Channel' Hatonn, and mixture of SIMILAR postal addresses.

(Also note that Don Eckers assessment of 'Hatonn' is highly flawed)
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/branton/esp_dulcebook16.htm

Richard T Millers rebuttal to Paranet:
http://mail.paranoiamagazine.com/archive/General-Conspiracy-Data/PHOENTRM.TXT

Ok, so Miller claims NO affiliation with the 'fraudulent' (his words) Hatonn scribed by Doris Ekker, despite the similarities (Well, they major differently in linguistics according to Don Ecker, reference to article made above)

I believe him - despite Paranets reservations, he has no affiliation with Doris and thinks the whole things a hoax.

Richard writes to Doris's Hatonn to claim fraud with given explanation - Doris' Hattonn responds to the claim with given explanation:

Phoenix Journal - First Steps -  by Gyeorgos C. Hatonn, SOLAR CROSS OR SOMETHING, page 89

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=7UyEzFvM9kQC&pg=PA95&lpg=PA95&dq=Richard+T+Miller+solar+cross+hatonn&source=bl&ots=KXnOKziZq1&sig=uR_VxiNnhYS045tQmYeYkqbkeg8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Kw5vUcf6N5TB0gWqhICwDQ&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Richard%20T%20Miller%20solar%20cross%20hatonn&f=false

I'm not in a position to pay £80 for Millers book Star Wards, so my next best option was to locate his audio tapes

I managed to find some of those tapes 2 weeks ago. However being pressed for time I only managed to listen to 20 mins worth (out of about 70 tapes) - so I bookmarked the page to return to at a later date. I actually opened them last week, although my media player didn't seem to want to work, so I left opening them to return to at a later date.

Today, I returned to the site with the intention of downloading them all before they disappeared on the net.

Here's my source - http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/prepare4contact/message/28744

All links 404ed.

http://ipsmediaworks.net/issa/
http://loveandempowerment.com/1024_p1
http://www.stardoves.com/pub.html

That's the only bloomin site I've ever found those tapes on, and I'm rather annoyed and disappointed that I cannot locate any of audio tapes, my classified is a plea, that some day some one else will take interest in this Miller fellow and help me locate the Audio tapes

I aint looked at this stuff in ages..
http://marcianitosverdes.haaan.com/2009/04/mon-ka-la-hermandad-blanca-y-otros-comandantes-de-luz-final/

Hi, this is my first time I've been active on this forum.  After I found your thread, I signed up just so I could attempt to help you on your search for the Richard T. Miller tapes.  I have the tapes in mp3 format, at least the only tapes that still exist.  I also have a pdf of the latest edition Star Wards that I could send you.  I was in touch with Richard's partner who he was living with at the time of his death in September 2000.  Richard developed Brain Cancer, and began destroying everything he had, i.e. Tapes, records, and papers, which would include the tapes, including Solar Cross literature.  I actively tried to gather as much info and material that I could about Richard and his life, and now believe I own everything that still exists.  If you'd like it, I'd be happy to give you whatever you need.

Below are the links to the full body of surviving work of Richard T. Miller.

I'm glad I could satisfy your curiosity.  I was at one time in the exact same place you were, trying to dissect the differences and decide for myself what really was going on with the Hatonn from Phoenix Journal and Liberator and the Hatonn from Richard's T. Miller's recordings and books.  There is a STARK difference, and you will soon come to know that for yourself.  If there's anything else I can help with, or if you'd like to discuss Richard, or any of the other 1950's contactees, please don't hesitate.

"I depart now beloved ones, in the "Light" of the Radiant One, and in so doing say
this to you: Oh people of Earth, come home! Come home! I am Hatonn."

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B5ws1QCmQvu1Ty1Nd2FKVVJUeTA&usp=sharing
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5ws1QCmQvu1T1VnemttZzIzX1U/edit
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5ws1QCmQvu1aVlxX0k3UnJWdFk/edit

Logo's, GreatLakes has not been around since I hinted at my doubt of the authenticity of the 'Communication'.

I found an obscure reference to Millers 'Boss' having busted Richard Miller faking the Radio communication...

Unfortunately I lost the foreign link which took me several months to find...

I think his bosses name was R.Cox, but this is from poor memory.. You have reminded me to attempt to locate this link again thank you.

And Greatlakes, if you check by to see this, I hope I didn't offend you.

Mon-Ka is many people's favorite Martian. According to one chronicler, he "has a wisdom that is light years beyond the most intelligent person on our planet."

Mon-Ka first communicated with earthlings in April 1956 at the Giant Rock Spacecraft Convention in Southern California, when contactee Dick Miller played recordings that he said had mysteriously appeared on tapes in sealed cans. On the tapes Mon-Ka asked a favor and made a promise: "On the evening of November 7, of this your year 1956, at 10:30 P.M. your local time, we request that one of your communications stations remove its carrier signal from the air for two minutes. At that time we will speak from our craft, which will be stationed at an altitude of 10,000 feet over your great city of Los Angeles."

In September Miller went to London and played the tapes for impressionable British saucer fans. The Associated Press' tongue-in-cheek treatment afforded the story international attention. A subsequent Los Angeles Mirror-News account revealed that Miller had once faked a radio communication from a saucer in his native Detroit. Nonetheless, Southern California succumbed to Mon-Ka mania. Two mass rallies were held in Los Angeles in late October, and organizer Gabriel Green enthusiastically talked up the Martian on Art Linkletter's popular House Party television show

http://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/monka-mars.htm

I'm pretty sure that Millers & Mathias' group was the same dodgy Detroit group LL Research were so keen to distance themselves from.

It'll save you a LOT of trouble, if you just do what I didn't and listen to others.. 

The Phoenix Project was like the 1950's version of The Aviary
Peddling the Dulce scam
http://paul.rutgers.edu/~mcgrew/ufo/to-be-merged/phoenix.project

Dulce New Mexico & The Ashtar Connection
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/branton/esp_dulcebook16.htm

As a further note: Under paragraph (3E), it mentions that there are buildings ... "five-sided with a dome," ParaNet has seen photographic evidence of such buildings. These buildings are not buildings as one would think of them, but what appear to be wilderness observation platforms. The Dulce Report denies any of these buildings appeared in their investigation.

Ever heard of Allen H Greenfield?
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bb/bluebook666.htm

[funbox]

If I say I don't understand then it means I don't understand, I don't lie.

As for understanding what Pato Banton means I don't have the slightest idea, as I didn't watch the video (I hate videos and I don't like Reggae).

interesting , I thought every single human being on the planet lied, you the first ive met that doesn't

funbox

[vril-ya]

no, just no

I done quite a bit of digging into Dick Miller too. All lies.
Well. They all dabbled in channeling. The rest is lies.

bsbsbsbsbsbs

[Sinny]

no, just no

Care to elaborate?

You're not sounding very reasonable.

[vril-ya]

i think u don't sound reasonable. just read your post, it's a bunch of name-calling
and confused accusations without a single intelligent argument.

Care to elaborate?

You're not sounding very reasonable.

[Sinny]

i think u don't sound reasonable. just read your post, it's a bunch of name-calling
and confused accusations without a single intelligent argument.

Okay, well somebody is lacking intelligence here, and it isn't me LOL.

[funbox]

Okay, well somebody is lacking intelligence here, and it isn't me LOL.

that would be me and they told me at the que I could get by on wisdom alone ... dam liars

dumbOX

[vril-ya]

LOL, reality check, it actually is you. ,)

Okay, well somebody is lacking intelligence here, and it isn't me LOL.

[funbox]

LOL, reality check, it actually is you. ,)

that's ok , of that which I know nothing of , will not be missed

funbox

[funbox]

ahhh come on , that was a good un

not even a titter

sadbox

[Sinny]

Who 'okayed' this idiot? Rhetorical.

Sorry for the derail.

Lol, I was most amused FunBox, you are a box of fun.

[funbox]

Who 'okayed' this idiot? Rhetorical.

Sorry for the derail.

Lol, I was most amused FunBox, you are a box of fun.

*bows low and long#*

ure welcome

thereisnobox

[vril-ya]

when retard calls u an idiot , it must be taken as a compliment. ,)