Gravity control

[astr0144]

So without including the Generator...

I think I understand the principle..

there is the Small Motor.. that Operates or turns the Mirror Magnet.. and the Mirror magnet as it spins then operates another BIG Wheel !

So there are 3 main parts to it...

Are you involved in making the Mirror Magnett and the Big Wheel ? or just the Mirror Magnet ?

small dc motor turns the mirror magnet, as the mirror magnet turns it attracts and repells magnets on the big wheel making it rotate in sync. due to natural attraction and repulsion of magnets, energy is amplified in form of torque on the shaft of the big wheel and this is where the outside generator is attached. i don't see how i can explain it any simpler than this.

[vril-ya]

all of it, of course. i need to solve some details about rotor construction, mounting,  exact geometry etc.

So without including the Generator...

I think I understand the principle..

there is the Small Motor.. that Operates or turns the Mirror Magnet.. and the Mirror magnet as it spins then operates another BIG Wheel !

So there are 3 main parts to it...

Are you involved in making the Mirror Magnett and the Big Wheel ? or just the Mirror Magnet ?

[astr0144]

I thought maybe the main part or challenge to it would involve the Mirror and larger wheel. Then followed by the set up.

If your design is similar to the 1st video...That maybe a bit easier to understand or follow...It maybe a bit clearer to see and follow than video 2 and you can understand what is said in video 1..

But Im not sure if its an easier design than the one in Video 2..

Im not really sure how the Video 2 wheel is designed...when it rotates..are we seeing two parts to it rotating in opposing direction ? one being with the magnets and another part connected on a shaft somehow.


Although I thought that I understood... looking at Video one again..maybe Im not 100% clear...

Video ones main larger wheel in the horizontal position seems rather complex to create..but I think I can follow the principle ..

I can see the fixture and mounting on the table with the bearing housing and shaft..and underneath we see a pulley /  belt leading to the other motor or generator..

when he connects the belt (is that to the small motor or a generator..(he seemed to indicate generator.))the Large wheel turns..which then we see the smaller shaft to the  higher right then turn from the magnetic effects.. the is or seems a SMALLER rotor..

which is classed as the Mirror magnet ?

The Larger Horizontal Wheel ? or the Smaller Rotor on the Higher right... (or is that a connection to a generator ?)

all of it, of course. i need to solve some details about rotor construction, mounting,  exact geometry etc.

[vril-ya]

second motor is the same as first, only the magnets are placed radially, not axially, everything else is the same. my motor has 4 magnets, it is axial like the first video only that mine rotor stands vertically. it is very very simple. i don't see what's confusing you. imagine the first motor only with 4 big magnets instead of 20 on the big wheel and mounted vertically.

I thought maybe the main part or challenge to it would involve the Mirror and larger wheel. Then followed by the set up.

If your design is similar to the 1st video...That maybe a bit easier to understand or follow...It maybe a bit clearer to see and follow than video 2 and you can understand what is said in video 1..

But Im not sure if its an easier design than the one in Video 2..

Im not really sure how the Video 2 wheel is designed...when it rotates..are we seeing two parts to it rotating in opposing direction ? one being with the magnets and another part connected on a shaft somehow.

Video ones main larger wheel in the horizontal position seems rather complex to create..but I think I can follow the principle ..

I can see the fixture and mounting on the table with the housing and shaft..and underneath we see a pulley leading to the other motor or generator..

[vril-ya]

like this

[astr0144]

I added some further comments as you replied..

With ref to Video one then....Can I just clarify ..

we see what looks like a small motor to the Lower left of the table (Closest to the fan) where the larger horizontal wheel (with magnets) is mounted..

Is that a small motor or a Generator ?

Is the Large Horizontal wheel the Big Wheel or the Mirror Magnet ?

Or is the smaller Rotor to the higher right a Mirror magnet ? or is that the Generator connection ?

I assume the Big Wheel is with the magnets in the  Horizontal position and the Mirror magnet is on the smaller rotor (Upper Right)

He did seem to mention Generator (at the 35 second mark)when he showed what looks like a small motor connected to to the lower LEFT of the table..that connects the Pulley underneath the table...


we only see the big wheel turn once he connects the pulley..then we later see him place the rotating horizontal wheel close to the other smaller rotor on the higher right...that then starts turning.

Although I thought that I understood... looking at Video one again..maybe Im not 100% clear...

Video ones main larger wheel in the horizontal position seems rather complex to create..but I think I can follow the principle ..

I can see the fixture and mounting on the table with the bearing housing and shaft..and underneath we see a pulley /  belt leading to the other motor or generator..

when he connects the belt (is that to the small motor or a generator..(he seemed to indicate generator.))the Large wheel turns..which then we see the smaller shaft to the  higher right then turn from the magnetic effects.. the is or seems a SMALLER rotor..

which is classed as the Mirror magnet ?

The Larger Horizontal Wheel ? or the Smaller Rotor on the Higher right... (or is that a connection to a generator ?)

second motor is the same as first, only the magnets are placed radially, not axially, everything else is the same. my motor has 4 magnets, it is axial like the first video only that mine rotor stands vertically. it is very very simple. i don't see what's confusing you. imagine the first motor only with 4 big magnets instead of 20 on the big wheel and mounted vertically.

[vril-ya]

smaller rotor to the higher right is a mirror magnet, of course.
below table is the small generator, small motor is in the silver
box where the mirror magnet is.

I added some further comments as you replied..

With ref to Video one then....Can I just clarify ..

we see what looks like a small motor to the Lower left of the table (Closest to the fan) where the larger horizontal wheel (with magnets) is mounted..

Is that a small motor or a Generator ?

Is the Large Horizontal wheel the Big Wheel or the Mirror Magnet ?

Or is the smaller Rotor to the higher right a Mirror magnet ? or is that the Generator connection ?

I assume the Big Wheel is with the magnets in the  Horizontal position and the Mirror magnet is on the smaller rotor (Upper Right)

He did seem to mention Generator when he showed what looks like a small motor connected to to the lower LEFT of the table..that connects the Pulley underneath the table...

[astr0144]

Sorry to had kept on asking...

Although earlier I thought that I understood clearly... when I looked at the video.. it was not as clear to me as id had expected..ie somethings did not seem to make sense to me..

so I am glad I asked..

I now feel I much better understand..

I was thinking that the Generator would be MUCH bigger ! 

and that maybe the silver box had contained it..

Although he refers to what seems like a small motor as the generator.. we only seem to see the large Horizontal  wheel rotate when he connects the pulley..

I was not sure if that was then being connected to the small motor..

ALSO as the Mirror only rotates when brought close to the large rotating wheels magnets....

I was not sure i it was the MIRROR MAGNET that would start the rotation of the Larger Wheel..


AMMENDMENT !  later  added shortly after initial comments...

YES I CAN NOW SEE THAT THE BIG WHEEL STARTS TO ROTATE WHEN HE DOES SOMETHING WITH THE BIG WHEEL AND MIRROR MAGNET.( at 1 minute 30 secs ) when he repositions the Mirror Magnet / silver box......BEFORE he connects the Pulley...at 2 minutes 20 secs...

ALL IS CLEARER NOW !  THANK YOU ....


I had not been observant enough to piece it all together earlier on without questioning all those things to clarify !

I had been used to seeing many a Small Motor  that size of that Generator ! and had not seen that many generators that small !.

So Is that to assume that the system will only run such small generators ?  or is it possible to run larger ones ?

Im not sure what size one needs to power an average sized house  in comparison to the one shown in the video ?

(It did not appear that way in the Video to me..

I need to watch again a few times to check..

but otherwise I think you have clarified things..Hopefully..)

smaller rotor to the higher right is a mirror magnet, of course.
below table is the small generator, small motor is in the silver
box where the mirror magnet is.

[vril-ya]

when he places the mirror over the big wheel you can hear the *click* as he turns on the small motor, that is why it starts to rotate, of course.

Sorry to had kept on asking...

Although earlier I thought that I understood clearly... when I looked at the video.. it was not as clear to me as id had expected..ie somethings did not seem to make sense to me..

so I am glad I asked..

I now feel I much better understand..

I was thinking that the Generator would be MUCH bigger ! 

and that maybe the silver box had contained it..

Although he refers to what seems like a small motor as the generator.. we only seem to see the large Horizontal  wheel rotate when he connects the pulley..

I was not sure if that was then being connected to the small motor..

ALSO as the Mirror only rotates when brought close to the large rotating wheels magnets....

I was not sure i it was the MIRROR MAGNET that would start the rotation of the Larger Wheel..


AMMENDMENT !  later  added shortly after initial comments...

YES I CAN NOW SEE THAT THE BIG WHEEL STARTS TO ROTATE WHEN HE DOES SOMETHING WITH THE BIG WHEEL AND MIRROR MAGNET.( at 1 minute 30 secs ) when he repositions the Mirror Magnet / silver box......BEFORE he connects the Pulley...at 2 minutes 20 secs...

ALL IS CLEARER NOW !  THANK YOU ....


I had not been observant enough to piece it all together earlier on without questioning all those things to clarify !

I had been used to seeing many a Small Motor  that size of that Generator ! and had not seen that many generators that small !.

So Is that to assume that the system will only run such small generators ?  or is it possible to run larger ones ?

Im not sure what size one needs to power an average sized house  in comparison to the one shown in the video ?

(It did not appear that way in the Video to me..

I need to watch again a few times to check..

but otherwise I think you have clarified things..Hopefully..)

[astr0144]

I could not easily notice the click  on my Volume..

Being familiar would maybe make it seem more obvious..

so when we look at that Mirror Magnet...

Is that that just say 4 magnets...placed together..in a way that you have two side by side as well as back to back for differing polarities ?  Maybe as you was trying to explain or show in your posted images..

ie that's a lot smaller area than all the many 17 to 18 magnets on the larger horizontal wheel..

but a clever concept...

I think thats what you were trying to explain here...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9236.msg123350#msg123350

"you take an even number of permanent magnets, best is 4 strong ones and fix them on a rotor in alternating fashion. axial or radial flux, doesn't matter. then you take the same magnet, or pair of them, and mount them on a smaller shaft so that the "mirror" magnets face the rotor magnets. as you rotate this "mirror", rotor will rotate in synch with the "mirror". input energy used to rotate the "mirror" will be amplified at the bigger shaft by the factor of thousands. in other words, very small motor is enough to keep the "mirror" rotating, consuming let's say 1 watt of power and producing, at the bigger shaft, power of kilowatts, depending on the strenght of magnets and rpm."

HOW CAN WE OBTAIN STRONGER PERMANENT MAGNETS ?
What determines a magnets strength ? is it size or something in relation to the material its made from ..or can we create or manufacture them as a Permanent magnet with differing strengths of magnetism ...

The RPM of the Motor I assume can be alter via a different type of smaller motor being used ? that is based upon its design..be it 1800 rpm or 3600 rpm as an eg...based on its internal windings etc.

when he places the mirror over the big wheel you can hear the *click* as he turns on the small motor, that is why it starts to rotate, of course.

[vril-ya]

seems you still can't understand mirror magnet is the ONE magnet closer to camera and the big wheel are FOUR magnets.

i use 4 big magnets instead of 20 small ones for sole reason that the power is determined by the strenght of the magnets interacting AT ONCE.

I could not easily notice the click  on my Volume..

Being familiar would maybe make it seem more obvious..

so when we look at that Mirror Magnet...

Is that that just say 4 magnets...placed together..in a way that you have two side by side as well as back to back for differing polarities ?  Maybe as you was trying to explain or show in your posted images..

ie that's a lot smaller area than all the many 17 to 18 magnets on the larger horizontal wheel..

but a clever concept...

I think thats what you were trying to explain here...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9236.msg123350#msg123350


HOW CAN WE OBTAIN STRONGER PERMANENT MAGNETS ?
What determines a magnets strength ? is it size or something in relation to the material its made from ..or can we create or manufacture them as a Permanent magnet with differing strengths of magnetism ...

The RPM of the Motor I assume can be alter via a different type of smaller motor being used ? that is based upon its design..be it 1500 rpm or 3600 rpm as an eg...based on its internal windings etc.

[astr0144]

I was referring to the video, are you referring to the image you later posted ?

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9236.msg123367#msg123367

but your design is using less magnets than  that we see in the video ?

or am I still missing it !

seems you still can't understand mirror magnet is the ONE magnet closer to camera and the big wheel are FOUR magnets.

[vril-ya]

to image i posted, it actually uses more magnets, only they are stacked together in pairs of 6.

I was referring to the video, are you referring to the image you later posted ?

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9236.msg123367#msg123367

but your design is using less magnets than  that we see in the video ?

or am I still missing it !

[astr0144]

So does that mean that in the image we refer to..
that appears to show 4 magnets in the back ground and one in the foreground..

are you saying that those should be stacks of 6 magnets ?

But you say PAIRS..so Im not sure clear on that ! a Pair is two..

to image i posted, it actually uses more magnets, only they are stacked together in pairs of 6.

[vril-ya]

i think i explained enough.