Coming to a street near you, the lights that keep you awake and could make u ill

[ArMaP]

So I have to hope they are not capable to doing some of the other things Alex Jones has talked about... such as if they do have cameras and can see thru a persons clothing similar to he described in the Airport scanners (where he says that they radiate people) I hope these are not doing something similar...

Why would they do that? Who would be looking at the images of all those cameras?

and he talks about many a person being Targeted in certain ways that effects there health / mind and mental state...and he refers to some people who have exposed many a related thing as having some very serious problems and being attacked on a regular basis.. maybe thru a microwave or radiation form...

Possible? Probably. Likely? I doubt it, unless we are talking about someone important instead of some average Joe/Jane, like the police did some years ago; to catch a mobster they installed microphones on the lamp-posts along a way he used to walk while talking "business", so they could record what he was saying.

[ArMaP]

I think both design for the areas they install them may have to be considered....ie what type of housing areas, how close together they maybe as well as you would think cost considerations.

Lighting is rarely properly done. At school I learned how to make lighting projects, and to do a good job you need to look at what people do in the area (there's obvious differences between a surgery room or a office lobby), the distance from the light sources to the target area (if any), the surroundings and how the reflect light (white walls or dark wall paper, for example), how quickly the light sources may get dirty (a kitchen gets more dirt on the light sources on the ceiling than a room), etc., etc., so it's no surprise, they probably used something someone had already used somewhere else without worrying about the efficiency.

On the EMF spectrum... Light is included...but Im not sure how LED may emit more unless in the more ultra violet side to it..

If the "F" in "EMF" means "field" then light doesn't have a noticeable EMF effect.
As for the LED lamps, they, like all electric devices, do create EMF, but, after some Internet searches, I confirmed what I was expecting: they create weaker EMF than fluorescent lamps, and, probably, than sodium vapour lamps, as the method of producing light is similar.

As Micowaves would appear have a lower EMF penetration and are said to be used to target peoples brains.... it would seem also Light can be..as it seems to have more penetration strength if that's the right term..

Besides the whole paranoia thing, I suggest you get more information about that, as basing opinions on "would appears", "are saids" and "would seems" is not the best option, at least for me.

[astr0144]

I think in general terms of various lighting ...that one may agree with the sort of things that you refer to..some of it may seem to make sense ...and you would think be taken into consideration.
BUT not always..!

I just contacted the Company who are dealing with the Street lighting and spoke with one of their technical staff...and held quite a detailed conversation about them.. (I may explain in more detail later)

But the basis of the conversation with regards to querying the Street lights that they have now recently installed...was that generally for most of the housing areas that they are using one main type of standard light for all areas..

The light is a special design created for the Council that is based upon two main Philips design...that have combined certain features as they requested...

They say that the light is classed as WHITE light... not a White Bluish light...that may have been classed towards the ultra violet side of the Electro magnetic  spectrum.

and that they can alter the light thru a central management system where it can be reduced down upto 70% effeciency as I think I understood what I was told...

and that the lights are aimed to target mainly set areas and not to light up any wider areas...

I queried that as a concern in relation to security...as I said that in the back areas it was very much darker... but they said that was not the aim of the project... That it was more to just target the Roads or alley ways...and not onto peoples housing.../ backyards.

I assume also as they are classed as being more efficient and cost effective to save money...

I did mention that I had been made aware of a few other concerns or that Id had reasons to question may there be more to the lights alone....

When asked what.. I gave some egs... and then the conversation on the Tech Guy started  getting a bit overheated... and he started to become a bit over reactive...when I mentioned a couple of other possible things that some of such lights may be said to include...

I then mentioned Wifi as being another possible extra thing... and here he did accept that as being something that they seem to be considering... so he has admitted that..

It may be that if any sort of surveillance is going to occur.. that they may include it in the next lighting system that they may install if what he said was anything to go by...

But he would not consider that there may be any sort of possible Govt type of surveillance to ever be likely..

Not that Id expect them to admit it even if they were aware..

but I do suspect they he generally was probably well unaware of any such thing or possibilities...

I asked if they could send me any details or a brochure on the lamps and they say they are not allowed to supply such thing to the public....

So if they do have that approach.. they can easily cover it up..

He even said even if we show you one , how do you know that the others would be like that...which is a valid point..

One would have to obtain some from the lampposts to check them out..is the only way I can see we would find out for sure.

Lighting is rarely properly done. At school I learned how to make lighting projects, and to do a good job you need to look at what people do in the area (there's obvious differences between a surgery room or a office lobby), the distance from the light sources to the target area (if any), the surroundings and how the reflect light (white walls or dark wall paper, for example), how quickly the light sources may get dirty (a kitchen gets more dirt on the light sources on the ceiling than a room), etc., etc., so it's no surprise, they probably used something someone had already used somewhere else without worrying about the efficiency.

I may have got my comments / facts.. mixed up a bit..

I think I meant EM  F.. with the "F" relating to the Frequency in the Electro Magetic Spectrum... if you go between LIGHT and GAMA WAVES.. you have Ultra violet and X Rays...

So the spectrum goes Light, Ultra Violet , X Ray , Gama..waves..

As you go further towards the Gama waves they occur much more frequent...so are higher FREQUENCY...as they are smaller waves that maybe are seen to vibrate at a much quicker or higher rate...

(NOT necessarily a LARGER WAVE but they occur more often..)and are seen as being more penetrative...

so we see X Rays as we know can see thru our Bodies...

Gama Rays are as we refer to as maybe more like RADIATION that can Penetrate many other things (but are often said to be reduced by LEAD)...but they are more deadly to MAN..than just "X" Rays..

So if these LEDs were say towards the Ultra Violet.. they would be slightly more penetrative than white light..and also more so than Microwaves...

Micro waves are larger less frequent waves..on the other side of light waves between Radio and White Light..



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum

If the "F" in "EMF" means "field" then light doesn't have a noticeable EMF effect.
As for the LED lamps, they, like all electric devices, do create EMF, but, after some Internet searches, I confirmed what I was expecting: they create weaker EMF than fluorescent lamps, and, probably, than sodium vapour lamps, as the method of producing light is similar.

Well I am not the only one that refers to Targeted Individuals.

It may depend upon what one may believe...

I've seen TV programs explain about the likes of the CIA using such a thing...so I do imagine it is very possible...

On what scale it may occur I don't know..

But I am aware of some persons who claim to be targeted that I have met and seen talk about it in some detail..

Besides the whole paranoia thing, I suggest you get more information about that, as basing opinions on "would appears", "are saids" and "would seems" is not the best option, at least for me.

In relation to some of the things that I refer to about some of the things said by Alex Jones..what I thought that I had seen was that he said Hitler either did or had aimed to target enemies water supplies...not only with Floride... but also with Female Hormones..

I looked to see if I could see more on a search and little came up about it... so it may not be truth...but I am sure A.J did say it in one of his videos..

These two links oppose some things that have been said by Alex Jones that may interest you..

BUT even upon reading them... there are other comments that question what is said by them on their websites...

so I am not really any wiser as to the true facts at least with the material that I have seen so far..


http://thedailybanter.com/2013/01/alex-jones-the-government-is-trying-to-make-more-gay-people/


https://justice4germans.com/2013/06/09/debunking-the-myth-of-water-fluoridation-by-hitler-and-those-evil-nazis/

[ArMaP]

When asked what.. I gave some egs... and then the conversation on the Tech Guy started  getting a bit overheated... and he started to become a bit over reactive...when I mentioned a couple of other possible things that some of such lights may be said to include...

That doesn't surprise me, most people are not friendly toward conspiracy theories.

Gama Rays are as we refer to as maybe more like RADIATION that can Penetrate many other things (but are often said to be reduced by LEAD)...but they are more deadly to MAN..than just "X" Rays..

X rays are also deadly, that's why once my doctor told me to get some X-ray images done, but when he saw that they had done it wrong he said that he couldn't prescribe another session in the next six months to avoid getting too much X rays through my body. My father knew a man that worked taking X-ray images and that died from the radiation, as it happened many years ago, when people were not as careful as they are now about those things.

So if these LEDs were say towards the Ultra Violet.. they would be slightly more penetrative than white light..and also more so than Microwaves...

Things are not that simple, as lower frequency UVA rays pass through common window glass but the higher frequency UVB rays do not, having a higher frequency doesn't mean it can go through more things. UV light produced by the LEDs used in lighting is the lower frequency type, and, after a little more research, it looks like most white LEDs are blue LEDs coated with a phosphor layer that turns the blue light into white.

But I am aware of some persons who claim to be targeted that I have met and seen talk about it in some detail..

People can claim any thing, it doesn't make it true.

[astr0144]

Yes I think it can be a touchy subject to some...

I had asked to speak with the top man..but he was not available..
so they said they could let me speak with one of the technical persons..

I think the person whom I spoke with , may had thought that maybe I was accusing him that he may have been responsible towards what I mentioned about what  I referred to about possible such lights initially having microphones, and later cameras..that I said that I had seen mentioned on the Net...

I tried to explain that I was not doing such a thing... that I was just making a comment on something that I had seen...and that if possible I wanted to ask if it would be possible to have a look inside one...

Then he started making some sort of comments that I was a conspirisist and that I was wasting his time..

I then mentioned that Id also heard some may contain WIFI..

and that he did say , yes that is something that they are looking into.

It probably depends whom one speaks with...

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But I think maybe as they have admitted that they may be soon going to install lighting with Wifi.. that it would be more likely them that would carry other things ..

I never got around to asking about possible radiation effects..
So I may call to ask to speak with  the manager again.

That doesn't surprise me, most people are not friendly toward conspiracy theories.

Most unfortunate...One never knows the true things behind such things...and we end up learning after someone has been effected.

X rays are also deadly, that's why once my doctor told me to get some X-ray images done, but when he saw that they had done it wrong he said that he couldn't prescribe another session in the next six months to avoid getting too much X rays through my body. My father knew a man that worked taking X-ray images and that died from the radiation, as it happened many years ago, when people were not as careful as they are now about those things.

Its more complex than I initially thought..

I was just thinking in general that the UV light was higher Freq in general and maybe enough to be a concern if its on the Electro Mag Spectrum between light and Gama waves..

Things are not that simple, as lower frequency UVA rays pass through common window glass but the higher frequency UVB rays do not, having a higher frequency doesn't mean it can go through more things. UV light produced by the LEDs used in lighting is the lower frequency type, and, after a little more research, it looks like most white LEDs are blue LEDs coated with a phosphor layer that turns the blue light into white.

Jessie Ventura claimed that he was given a demonstration to it in one of his Conspiracy TV series...on Harrp..

Then I have since come across quite a few persons who researched it....

and some persons who claim they have or are being effected by it...

but some do attend events that people pay for...so no doubt they maybe earning from making such claims..true or not 

People can claim any thing, it doesn't make it true.

[astr0144]

I wonder if these guys would comment on such radiation effect of such Lighting...

EMF COMP LIMITED

Safety Specialists For Electromagnetic Fields

Our Experts Have A Combined Experience Of Over 40 Years In Radiation Safety, Allowing Us To Provide You With Authoritative Radiation Protection Advice And Services.

http://www.emfcomp.com/index.htm

[ArMaP]

Good find. 

This is something they have on one of their pages, here.

How do they affect people? Low frequency fields will induce electric fields and circulating currents in the human body. The strength of these induced fields and currents will be dependent on the intensity and frequency of the external field, the conductivity of the particular tissue within the body and the distance the body is from the source.

Biological effects of human exposure to low frequency fields can be peripheral nerve/muscle stimulation and faint visual sensations (magneto-phosphenes). Additionally, problems performing mental tasks along with adverse effects on reproduction and development when exposed to ELF magnetic fields have been reported.

At high frequencies, the recognised adverse health effect is the heating of human tissues resulting in heat stress, although other non-thermal health effects have been documented. The two tissue types regarded as most susceptible to thermal injury are the eye and the testes.

[astr0144]

Equally a good find ArMaP...Team Work ! 

If these Led Street Lights are creating any of this...then It does seem very concerning....

I've gone a full week now and seem to be being effected with something...pains in the head and neck...

I think I will try and contact them just to see if they may comment on it..

but no doubt they would require payment to come and actually check it out..

I wonder what sort of impact they could have on the Council if they did find anything concerning ?

Good find. 

This is something they have on one of their pages, here.

How do they affect people? Low frequency fields will induce electric fields and circulating currents in the human body. The strength of these induced fields and currents will be dependent on the intensity and frequency of the external field, the conductivity of the particular tissue within the body and the distance the body is from the source.

Biological effects of human exposure to low frequency fields can be peripheral nerve/muscle stimulation and faint visual sensations (magneto-phosphenes). Additionally, problems performing mental tasks along with adverse effects on reproduction and development when exposed to ELF magnetic fields have been reported.

At high frequencies, the recognised adverse health effect is the heating of human tissues resulting in heat stress, although other non-thermal health effects have been documented. The two tissue types regarded as most susceptible to thermal injury are the eye and the testes.

[Ellirium113]

Equally a good find ArMaP...Team Work ! 

If these Led Street Lights are creating any of this...then It does seem very concerning....

I've gone a full week now and seem to be being effected with something...pains in the head and neck...

I think I will try and contact them just to see if they may comment on it..

but no doubt they would require payment to come and actually check it out..

I wonder what sort of impact they could have on the Council if they did find anything concerning ?

How do they affect you during the day? Just curious.

[astr0144]

I don't know if its a coincidence and that I have had some health issues arise at the same time the new street lights were installed... or if my recent issues are down to the Street Lights.

I have had the problems to some degree in the past..headaches and neck ache. & facial pain..but I also had tooth pain..

Upon visiting my Dentist.. he has found that I had a tooth problem and suggested that I have it taken out..he did an X Ray and thought that there maybe also be problem with a nerve. BUT what I found was he was also able to put a temporary filling on the problem tooth... and when he has done that... the facial / neck pains that I had were much better....or much more relieved..

While I am ok or feel less pains.. as long as I keep having a temporary filling..that I think helps cover an exposed nerve.. I do not want my tooth taking out if I can help it..

I am informed that exposed tooth nerves can cause all sorts of problems...painful neck and head aches..sometimes quite sharp pains...

I did go back to the dentist more or less on the day the Street lamps were installed... as I thought that I was getting my facial neck pains down to my teeth re-needing another filing as the temp filings only last 2 to 3 months each time..and the dentist has not suggested doing a permanent one as he thinks I should have the tooth removed..  BUT as I say when it has a filing placed over or in it.. my pains are controlled / calmed.

The other issue I had when I was younger was I injured my neck.. and seem to have had some problems with it on and off..

On talking with a Doctor.. he said there was little he could do about any past issues, but he  also said that stress can create such feelings...

I have been under some severe stress over the last 2 years.

So it maybe very hard to say for sure what my problem maybe.. as it could be a combination.. or it maybe Stress related and that tends to come and go..

BUT I will say that since the new Street lights have been put in.. my pains have persisted even after having my teeth refilled..

It maybe that the Dentist has not done a good enough job as I have had it happen before where he did not cover the exposed area correctly.. but I tended more to still have tooth pain.. where as now.. overall my tooth pain is not too bad.. but it does come on and off a bit when I am very tired..

When I have been to bed, I am not sleeping and do seem to be having a neck problem...

it maybe I have an exposed nerve in my neck also..or that one of the neck joints or vertebrae gets out of position slightly...   and is causing me discomfort..and I am unable to lie down for long without an irritation feeling on most nights or times when I have tried to sleep..and usually been very restless and awaking thru out the night...  but sometimes I have slept better the next day when I had been much more tired as I did not sleep well the day before..

The only other way that I have slept otherwise,  is if I have taken pain killers... then I have been able to sleep..but I have never relied on such things before and don't want to do so if I can help it..

But generally I am still getting the pains day or night ...and not just while I am in the house...I am still having the pains when I have gone out...but maybe notice it less....that could be due to having my mind taken of it more so..

It maybe that I am now sensitive to various possible things...naturally..and it maybe that some of them have now got worse..

OR it maybe that the new Street Lights are making me feel the effects more than normal...and irritating such things to me much more than normal..



I have not as yet contacted the company that I referred to that maybe able to advise me on it ....

I had tried to phone them but they were unavailable..it seems I may have to try at a certain time ...or to email them..

I was distracted  after the 1st attempt, last week by somethings that took my mind of trying to call them again..

I hope to try to do so next week..and get some sort of answer..

Another problem that I have, is I do not want to go to my Doctor about my present problems if I can help it.

I don't want any such thing put on my record with the way the system is...after knowing more what I now know about such things..

I would like to go to some specialist who could check me out, but not place my tests on my medical records...

My reasons is such hings may go against me in the future.. as I know medical records get checked.. be it employers or insurance companies etc..

My problem is can that be done and how or where would I be able to go without it costing me a fortune...

I have seen TV programs where people go abroad to have treatments...when sometimes either normal Doctors will either not get involved or the person may not trust the normal medical system..


IF they do work anything along the lines of Smart meters, it maybe that it is them that are causing me my problems..

although I think Smart meters effect maybe down to microwave radiation / a wifi type technology... where as when I did call the council the other week to discuss the lights.. they said at the moment that the present light system are not wifi operated..
BUT I do believe that they are operational on some sort of network.. what that  is,  I am not sure...but they had suggested that the can alter the light intensity from their department..so they must be connected to some sort of control system..

but would that generally be wifi I wonder ?

see what the article below is saying about the health effects to many who have had smart meter..

some have managed to rebell against having them..

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Homeowners say smart meters are damaging their health, causing chronic pain, hair loss and sensitivity to light

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/054361_smart_meters_health_effects_electropollution.html#ixzz4C2IuX3O5

"The RF/Microwave radiation from Wireless Smart Meters is particularly threatening to health because that radiation is so persistent and so powerful. [Com Ed and other] power companies like to fool the public by saying, 'Look these Smart Meters just transmit 6 times a day.' Well, that is just misleading. That may be how many times they transmit your data, but they are a relay station for all the other Smart Meters in the neighborhood. And they all interact with each other and send each other timing signals and all kinds of stuff...

"Furthermore, the power level of each pulse is about 1,000 milliwatts, placing Wireless Smart Meters among the most powerful RF radiators likely to be present in a residential environment."

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/054361_smart_meters_health_effects_electropollution.html#ixzz4C2IkXJaP

Smart meters cause cancer and other serious chronic health effects

Other scientists agree that smart meters are not only capable of causing acute health problems, such as those described earlier, but can also lead to serious chronic illnesses, including cancer.

Dr. David Carpenter MD, a Harvard-educated physician and expert on electromagnetic fields (EMF), believes that smart meters pose significant health risks.

From TheHealthyHomeEconomist.com:

"Dr. Carpenter adamantly insists that there is no evidence whatsoever that smart meters are in any way safe for human beings. He goes on to say that there is, in fact, ample evidence that demonstrates 'convincingly and consistently' that exposure to radiofrequency radiation (RFR) at elevated levels for long periods of time increases the risk of cancer, damages the nervous system, and adversely affects the reproductive organs.

How do they affect you during the day? Just curious.

[ArMaP]

On talking with a Doctor.. he said there was little he could do about any past issues, but he  also said that stress can create such feelings...

I think that stress compresses the inter-vertebral disks, and that's why people stressed become temporarily slightly shorter and have neck and back pain.
The fact that you are making your stress worse but worrying about the street lights doesn't help.

As for the smart meters, I have one, as the electricity company was forced to stop their practice of "estimated use" (they estimated how much the user had used and charged according to the estimates, and that resulted in people paying either two much for two months and less on the third (when someone came to read the meter) or the opposite, people paying too little and then getting a huge bill when there was no need for that), and so they don't have to hire more people to read the meters they implemented these new smart meters.

I looked at the manufacturers site and the model I have installed uses power line communication, not radio.

[astr0144]

The head and Neck (Human Body) seems unbelievably complex the more one considers it...

I think the Neck area in our body and how it allows us to move in or rotate (left / right up and down) our head in so many ways and directions can make trying to find out what maybe wrong with someone who has some sort of pain can be very hard to tell where a problem is arising from..

Then as to what Stress is and ow it may effect us, with it maybe seeming a more mental thing based upon thoughts or feeling and how that in turn effects the physical is very hard to determine.

and at one time , I am not sure mental stress (or maybe  even physical) was recognized or maybe not made fully aware... and mental stress seems to be a more recent recognized condition over the last 20 years..

Im not sure if Stress may compress or constrict or do both..

and if it may also effect how blood flows up to the brain..

or if it constricts then helps compress the Neck vertebrae ...that in turn may press on the nerves in the neck...

It can be extremely painful and make one think that their blood supply has been cut off getting up to the head / brain..

So it maybe what the problem is..

but I also think if either Street light or Smart meters do have some sort of microwave or radiation effects on us.. that this will also cause problems..

I think that stress compresses the inter-vertebral disks, and that's why people stressed become temporarily slightly shorter and have neck and back pain.
The fact that you are making your stress worse but worrying about the street lights doesn't help.

The idea of the smart meters maybe much better / accurate in terms of how it can potentially operate and give a more accurate electricity reading.. and help save on man power that in terms cuts down the added costs of labor..

Generally I think in the past we mainly have had a meter reader call around who then reads the meter..

Often however people are out at work..so they tend to then post a card thru ones letter box and ask you to fill in the readings and leave somewhere to be collected in the next day or so...

this then relies on one giving the reading / details..and you get billed accordingly...

otherwise as you say they tend to estimate it...

I think however that as long as they get to read the meter at some stage in the year that they will make up any differences..

as to how it effects us paying for it may not be an issue if affordability at the time is not a concern..

It will also become another issue of reducing staff levels and jobs..

It does seem that there still could be concerns on certain types of Smart meters..as the and other articles I have read as well as the likes of Alex Jones and his so called experts.. have raised concerns over them..

and I do think until this is been cleared...I would not want to risk having one...Id rather stick with the prior system..

It may however be very hard to have it proved and if the Electric companies in relation with Govt regulations ( or if the Govt do have such a type of hidden evil like spy or harm to us agenda)..that it will never be admitted..

I am led to believe that they will be enforced by 2020 in most EU zones..

I am told that you can opt out until then.. and just  have them replace a meter..(which they say they have to do every so many years due to safety).but can one trust them ? if they are suspect of the system..

It would also be hard to really know in the longer term what effects it may have on the populace and if they do create health issues.. it probably will take time...to be noticed and they usually can take years before anything gets done about such things if concerns are later re raised..

As for the smart meters, I have one, as the electricity company was forced to stop their practice of "estimated use" (they estimated how much the user had used and charged according to the estimates, and that resulted in people paying either two much for two months and less on the third (when someone came to read the meter) or the opposite, people paying too little and then getting a huge bill when there was no need for that), and so they don't have to hire more people to read the meters they implemented these new smart meters.

I looked at the manufacturers site and the model I have installed uses power line communication, not radio.