SpaceX rocket explodes on Pad 40

[spacemaverick]

As Ben Rich said, who developed the stealth aircraft back in 1993 in the presence of two friends of mine: "We now have the technology to go to the stars". And that was back in 1993.' When Mr Good was asked to elaborate on where this technology came from, he replied: 'Alien crafts. The study of alien crafts that have been recovered and by liaising with actual aliens who have helped us develop this technology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ABen_Rich

True?  Why would he lie when he was about to die?

I remember the statement but the statement by itself is not proof and the single source does not make what was said totally reliable.  We just take it on his word?  He may be a great man and inventor but it is a single source...I guess I have returned to be a skeptic.

[Pimander]

It all comes back to the question.  Were downed craft recovered by the military?  Are the suspicions that Batelle and other private companies the recipients of that technology?  Are the many witness claims on this (and there are so many) that craft were studied.

Entire books full of witness statements (e.g. Haut affidavit, Jesse Marcell) surrounding the Roswell incident.  How do we explain them.  Occam's razor?

An equally difficult question to answer is this.  If there were no craft and the reports are part of a disinformation program, why was the lie continued into the 1990s (at least) by so many members of the military industrial complex and also military intelligence?  Surely important members of the military intelligence community, many of high standing, would not want to risk their reputation and credibility if the story was nonsense.

I just don't know the answers but I think there is a much better potential movie, documentary and book on this as I know A51Watcher will agree.  We have the skeleton for the book already.  If I had not been swamped by life events you'd all have read it by now.

[zorgon]

I just don't know the answers but I think there is a much better potential movie, documentary and book on this as I know A51Watcher will agree.  We have the skeleton for the book already.  If I had not been swamped by life events you'd all have read it by now.

pegasus was set up to seek the true answers  and we get little response and even less cash for the effort

Steven Greer, a known Charlatan however can put up a Kickstarter campaign and raise 50,000 from a little over  650 supportes and make a Bullsh!t movie.

Pegasus has over 35,000 unique hits on the website every month and I can't even get a decent beer tip (save a small few kind souls  )

So  I have come to the conclusion that TRUTH is of no value while BULLSH!T sells for big bucks

Anyone in the Market for some Rich MANURE?

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[zorgon]

BTW I have an interesting Time Portal story to go with that Greer announcement  I will make a thread tomorrow

[ArMaP]

Do you think its a bad idea to launch from high altitude after lifting with helium then?  I genuinely thin the idea is a good one.

It's not a bad idea, but I think it's too limited, because of how much weight it can lift, the altitude it can reach and what can be gained by that.

[ArMaP]

Why would he lie when he was about to die?

Because he could.

A man my father knew, when he died, gathered all his sons around his death bed and "gave" each of his sons things that weren't his, like saying that the oldest on would get the lands of the richest man in the village and things like that.

[zorgon]

.I guess I have returned to be a skeptic.

Me too After years of searching and uncovering militray stuff,  I have found that all the best UFO stuff and the best whistle blowers have turned out to be dead ends if not downright fake.

I can access tons of military files on all kinds of projects but there isn't one tiny hint or leak anywhere that we actually have Alien tech, Anti Gravity or Free Energy... if we did the Military would be using it, not making jet fuel out of seawater

So yeah I think I wasted 10 years of my life on this

[zorgon]

Why would he lie when he was about to die?

Because he could.

The problem here is that Ben Rich DID NOT SAY THAT on his death bed confession... that statement was made at  his Alumni speech at his old colledge. There was a tape of it but that tape is long gone.

THIS is how UFO info gets twisted and distorted and eventually becomes buried in BS ten miles thick.

Any SIMPLE research will show that when that speech first came online it was way back almost at the start of the internet when green text on black screen was still the norm

THIS is why I am sure I have wasted my time    This was covered a long time ago at ATS 

RENSE.COM

Ben Rich, stated during a 1993, Alumni Speech at UCLA,

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an Act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity...Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do."

http://www.rense.com/general79/among.htm

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THIS is why I am sure I have wasted my time    This was covered a long time ago at ATS 

RENSE.COM

Ben Rich, stated during a 1993, Alumni Speech at UCLA,

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an Act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity...Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do."

http://www.rense.com/general79/among.htm

seems like the only traces left are amongst the test public and cows ,horses, sheep etc, all of which are intimidator evidences, those to scare and say whose boss

and you wonder why you cant find nothing solid .. says a lot about with what you're dealing with..

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[zorgon]

and you wonder why you cant find nothing solid .. says a lot about with what you're dealing with..

No I don't wonder at all. Its like with electrogarvitics... the Military has but a mere footnote that it was an interesting study that was a dead end... yet many are still flooging that dead horse.

I can't find anything solid because there is nothing solid to find Simple as that.

Look around you at the politicians of the world. Do you really think ALL of them are smart enough to keep this under wraps? Look at how easily Ed Snowden leaked the NSA stuff  It only takes ONE person to leak something... anything... one small paper, one small piece of alien craft  but all these years and all we have is the same old stories rehashed and find that a lot of what we thought was good material was faked (like the Begian triangle UFO photo)

So there is nothing to find because there is nothing there

Oh yeah? prove me wrong then Show me the Aliens

[Pimander]

I remember the statement but the statement by itself is not proof and the single source does not make what was said totally reliable.

I agree.  It doesn't make it a lie either.

Because he could.

But some "witnesses" had reason not to.

So yeah I think I wasted 10 years of my life on this

Perhaps not.

It is a well known strategy to discredit a story.  Arrange for people make claims about a TRUE STORY, who can be easily discredited.  Arrange for outrageous claims to be made that discredit a TRUE STORY.  You get the idea.  Some of the disclosure project witnesses could have been deliberately discrediting their testimony in my opinion.

Another problem is the obvious BS that New Agers types and also the UFO community have mindlessly accepted.  But if that was part of or useful to a strategy to cover up real material then it worked.

I'd agree that most of the whistle blowers were fakers.  I am sceptical of the claim that they all were.  If anything, I'd focus on the ones whose claim does not follow the standard line.

ETA:  But time is the killer.  I just can't justify killing all my time with hard work studying this when I could win a friging Nobel Prize in science if I get my head down and my health doesn't fail me again.  That would pay the bills and give me the credibility to have my voice heard (however unlikely it might seem).  That's why my projects with A51 and the database project with ArMaP stalled.  What do I do with my time?

[zorgon]

No one gives a sh!t about TRUTH  I have spent some time at Facebook testing it out.  They unfriend you and call you disinfo agent the minute you try to mess with their favorite pet belief. 

So I give up....  going back to focus on the website with material that I can find hard facts on. After all that is what got me where I am today in the first place.

Now if everyone of those 35,000ish unique monthly visitors would send in just $1.00  once a year (that is .69 cents after Paypal takes their cut)  all my problems would be gone

It really is that simple on the bottom line. 

My time would be better spent posting rocks for sale on Ebay   

[zorgon]

Asking $14,000.00 for this one Its so rare even the Royal Ontario Museum only has a small specimen

Ferri-fluoro-katophorite

This is classified as a new species and specimens are very rare. We found several nice pieces years ago before it was identified. Former name was Fluoro Magnesio Kataphorite, the official name is now Ferri-fluoro-katophorite. Details are available here at Mindat. org. This is one of the largest specimens I have seen. A real museum piece

Location:
Bear Lake diggings, Monmouth Township, Haliburton Co., Ontario, Canada


Dimensions: 18" x 10" x 10"
Weight: Approx 40 lbs

[zorgon]

Or how about a nice DINOSAUR EGG?

Not sure what to list that one at yet 

ML-044
Mamenchisaurus Egg Fossil
Mamenchisaurus  was a plant-eating four-legged dinosaur, known for its remarkably long neck  which made up half its total length. It is known from numerous species which ranged in time from 160 to 145 million years ago, from the Oxfordian to Tithonian ages of the late Jurassic Period of China. For a long time these were classified as "Brontosaurus"

Location:
Yangtze River, near Yibin (??) in Sichuan Province of China

Dimensions: 7" x 6" x 4"
Weight 5 lbs 5oz

[funbox]

No I don't wonder at all. Its like with electrogarvitics... the Military has but a mere footnote that it was an interesting study that was a dead end... yet many are still flooging that dead horse.

you don't wonder  about the potential of the intelligences outside our sphere of knowledge? you must be the only one then

I can't find anything solid because there is nothing solid to find Simple as that.

testimony again to the almost absolute control that these intelligences have.

if they have the ability to tinker and infiltrate  our nuclear arsenal, what other things do they have the power to control

as a lab techie with his antfarm..

Look around you at the politicians of the world. Do you really think ALL of them are smart enough to keep this under wraps? Look at how easily Ed Snowden leaked the NSA stuff  It only takes ONE person to leak something... anything... one small paper, one small piece of alien craft  but all these years and all we have is the same old stories rehashed and find that a lot of what we thought was good material was faked (like the Begian triangle UFO photo)

the politicians of the world are mostly puppets, serving organisations that have plans that last longer than a term of  publicly elected government , these people know nothing,.. yes your seeing the plausible deniability in it all , mix as much crap, let it all be fluid diarrhea, un-see able, unquantifiable , just the evidence of this happening in as many part's of the subject you wish to choose, is indicative of something to hide, especially when it come from so called officialdom.

So there is nothing to find because there is nothing there

how very 16th century

Oh yeah? prove me wrong then Show me the Aliens

take a look in the mirror

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