SpaceX rocket explodes on Pad 40

[rdunk]

Zorgon said, "I don't want "proof"  I want HARD TOUCHABLE PROOF 

Well Z, that is a fine goal, but at the present, if the "proof" of life or intelligent design is found on another planet, it remains "untouchable" and relatively easy for skeptics to off-handedly deny, regardless of its authenticity! 

[ArMaP]

What would that be though?

You have to ask them, I have no idea.

[ArMaP]

Russo is right!! IMO Z, this is the "proof" as you requested - of course you have seen it before, but proof is proof!! This pic is even presented with a human in the same sitting position as the alien in the NASA photo, to again help with the interpretation of the alien pic.

REF: Sept 2014 OP - http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7268.0

That's the problem zorgon was talking about, people want to believe, they do not want to know, otherwise you would have stopped using that image. Why don't you use the original image? I posted it in that thread, but here it is to be easier for the lazy people that don't click links.

[ArMaP]

Hell NO  Its a REBUBLIC.. a corporation... always has been.

A country can be a democracy and a republic.

Edited to add: at least according to the real meaning of both those words, not to the definition used in the US.

[spacemaverick]

This thread really got away from the subject.....

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

I addressed it as best I could.

[spacemaverick]

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/08/spacex-could-be-grounded-for-9-12-months-after-accident-ula-chief-says.html


SpaceX could be grounded for 9-12 months after accident, ULA chief says

Elon Musk's SpaceX likely will be grounded for nine to 12 months while it investigates the cause of last week's launch pad accident and makes any repairs, the chief executive of SpaceX's prime U.S. competitor said on Thursday.

"It typically takes nine to 12 months for people to return to flight. That's what the history is," Tory Bruno, chief executive of United Launch Alliance, told Reuters.

Well there is still United Launch Alliance....

[Pimander]

You have to ask them, I have no idea.

Maybe they don't "need to know" lol 

[spacemaverick]

SpaceX asked local people if they had any video to send it to them because they are at a loss as to what caused the explosion at this point.  The FAA is also involved from what I understand.  So at this point it is still a mystery.  You would think that they could look at their readings from their telemetry and find a cause.  I mean like was it a rupture and if so where did the spark come from to ignite it, was it a flaw in some part, etc....

http://www.space.com/34029-elon-musk-seeks-help-solving-rocket-explosion.html

An Opportunity for public input.....

I had a job back in the early 80's machining landing gears for civilian and military aircraft and you could trace each operation on each gear back to the specific machinist that performed a specific job on that gear.  So at this point anything at all is pure speculation.


A public conversation

Musk tweeted about the loss of the Falcon 9 hours after the incident, noting that the explosion appeared to originate "around upper-stage oxygen tank" but the cause was "still unknown." SpaceX provided more updates about the incident on Sept. 2.

Then, Musk's account went quiet until about 12:30 a.m. EDT this morning (0030 GMT), when he began tweeting actively about the explosion.

"Still working on the Falcon fireball investigation. Turning out to be the most difficult and complex failure we have ever had in 14 years," Musk wrote. "Important to note that this happened during a routine filling operation. Engines were not on, and there was no apparent heat source.

"Particularly trying to understand the quieter bang sound a few seconds before the fireball goes off. May come from rocket or something else," he said.

Musk also answered questions and responded to comments from the public.

When Twitter user @ashwin7002 tweeted at Musk that "there are some videos on YouTube claiming something hit the rocket. Any reality there?" Musk replied, "We have not ruled that out."

Twitter user Matt Stohrer wrote, "that sound at 0:54 sounds like a metal joint popping under stress. e.g. weld failing on strut, welded seam bursting, etc." Musk replied, "Most likely true, but we can't yet find it on any vehicle sensors."

Twitter user Eric Bowen asked if the company's Dragon spacecraft would have survived the event. Musk replied, "yes. This seems instant[aneous] from a human perspective, but it [was] really a fast fire, not an explosion. Dragon would have been fine."

The Sept. 1 explosion also destroyed the rocket's payload, the AMOS-6 communications satellite, which was co-leased by Facebook and intended to bring internet connectivity to parts of Africa.

Musk also made multiple tweets apologizing for a delay in writing a blog post about Autopilot, an autonomous crash-avoidance technology offered in electric cars made by Tesla (Musk's other company). When another commenter joked about the delay, Musk replied, "It's been a little crazy lately."

Above taken directly from the article at Space.com.

[spacemaverick]

http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/23/13031308/spacex-falcon-9-rocket-explosion-cause-cryogenic-helium-system

SpaceX's recent Falcon 9 explosion seems to have been caused by a breach in the "cryogenic helium system" of the vehicle's upper oxygen tank, according to an update from the company. However, SpaceX says the accident is not connected to last year's Falcon 9 explosion, when a rocket disintegrated en route to the International Space Station.

more at the link above.....

[Pimander]

SpaceX's Falcon 9 Rocket May Have Been Sabotaged

NEW YORK (TheStreet) -- Sabotage is now a possibility for SpaceX's Falcon 9 rocket explosion at its Cape Canaveral, Florida launchpad on September 1, CNBC's Morgan Brennan reported on Monday morning's "Squawk on the Street."

SpaceX has found some "suspicious" images from the roof of a United Launch Alliance (ULA) building that's located near the Falcon 9 launch pad, according to the Washington Post, Brennan continued. SpaceX wanted to investigate further, but ULA had Air Force officials check out its roof, and they said it was all clear.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

SpaceX's Falcon 9 Rocket May Have Been Sabotaged

NEW YORK (TheStreet) -- Sabotage is now a possibility for SpaceX's Falcon 9 rocket explosion at its Cape Canaveral, Florida launchpad on September 1, CNBC's Morgan Brennan reported on Monday morning's "Squawk on the Street."

SpaceX has found some "suspicious" images from the roof of a United Launch Alliance (ULA) building that's located near the Falcon 9 launch pad, according to the Washington Post, Brennan continued. SpaceX wanted to investigate further, but ULA had Air Force officials check out its roof, and they said it was all clear.

Yeah I read that this morning.
Looks like they can't find the 'real' reason so they're looking to blame it on 'sabotage'..lol...
Mechanical failure is the real answer, they just don't want to admit it...IMO

[spacemaverick]

UPDATE:

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/238629-spacex-says-recent-rocket-explosion-result-helium-loading-issue

The following taken directly from the article.  See link above for full story.

It has been almost two months since a SpaceX rocket exploded during launch preparation, taking a Facebook internet satellite along with it. The company has been hard at work to track down the cause of the failure, and SpaceX now says the explosion was caused by a helium loading issue. The investigation is not completely over, but SpaceX plans to start test firing rockets again later this month and wants to return to active launches by the end of 2016.

From the start of the investigation, SpaceX was focused on the helium tanks in the upper stage, as that appeared to be the ignition point of the explosion. This is separate from the helium tank issue that famously caused a Falcon 9 rocket to break up in 2015 on its way to the International Space Station. That was due to a faulty strut that was supposed to hold the helium containers in place.

According to the new update, SpaceX believes this "anomaly" (as it's called because that sounds nicer than giant fireball) was the result of variations in the pressure and temperature of the helium being loaded into the rocket. Founder Elon Musk has called this the most complex failure the company has ever investigated. The explosion occurred rapidly, with just 93 milliseconds between the first sign of a problem and loss of telemetry.

[zorgon]

So  yawl ready to hop on his Mars Express?

[ArMaP]

So  yawl ready to hop on his Mars Express?

Don't confuse people more, Mars Express has been orbiting Mars for several years.