There Is A Second ET Email

[astr0144]

I cannot recall without taking time to check...I assumed it has been discussed...I wonder what came of this..that I think was back in 2015 with many numerous known in the UFO agenda.

Has there been many past such meetings on the scale as what seems to be shown in the related video.

How many if any maybe legit ? Stanton F maybe !

or are they all in it for making things up and for the money ?

http://www.citizenhearing.org/

Zorgon

So DISCLOSURE is irrelevant... people will only believe what they want to believe.

We have Greer making hundreds of thousands selling fake videos and MUFZON tracking garbage bag balloons 

[RUSSO]

So DISCLOSURE is irrelevant... people will only believe what they want to believe.

The point of disclosure is not what people BELIEVE. There is people that believe that our planet is flat for example.

Official disclosure is irrelevant because, the fact some people dont believe in ETI, will not make them dissapear from universe. They exist or not!

The probabilities they do exist are overwhelming tho.

[petrus4]

As I have said in /r/conspiracy, my attitude towards anything from Wikileaks concerning UFOlogy, is one of intense skepticism.  I have simply been deceived on this topic one too many times.  I think I've mentioned before that the fade to black at the end of Greer's film Sirius, was when I shook the proverbial dust from my feet, concerning the topic.

Please be careful about this, for your own sakes.  Follow every lead and possible means of corroboration or cross-reference that you can.  While I do believe in the existence of extraterrestrial life, I believe with equal adamancy that around 0.05% percent of UFOlogy's total material, has been anywhere near the truth.  I'm also very strongly inclined to view Wikileaks as a limited hangout or source of disinformation in general terms, to be honest.  I've never seen them release anything that has done truly serious damage to the powers that be.

If anyone can offer anything in refutation of the above opinion, I welcome it.  Are any of you familiar with Assange's possible links to Anne Hamilton-Byrne?  If not, you may find this interesting:-

http://spitfirelist.com/for-the-record/ftr-724-wiki-of-the-damned/

[Eighthman]

It's quite remarkable when we observe steps or graduated change in situations that we would otherwise think are just binary - all this or all that.  People are weird that way.

I firmly rejected evolution for many years because there had never been a case in which a new species was observed to appear that could no longer reproduce with its parent species.  When this fact changed (certain plant species), I changed. Evolution is true, that's that.  Yet, I guess many people aren't like that.

"Childhood's End" (the movie) portrays people clinging to religion/Christianity even after Aliens openly appear.  I now think this could happen, should that context ever occur.  OTOH, it might be much safer for the human race if it turned out that way.  People need to keep going to work, look after their families, etc.

I believe that there has been no leader of a nation that has disclosed/admitted that ET's are real - until Russia apparently did.  This is more of a technical point than I would have thought - but live and learn!

[petrus4]

I firmly rejected evolution for many years because there had never been a case in which a new species was observed to appear that could no longer reproduce with its parent species.  When this fact changed (certain plant species), I changed. Evolution is true, that's that.

I don't like evolution as an idea.  That is not to say that I totally disbelieve in it; but as applied to humans specifically, I'm inclined to view it largely as fraud.  I've also noticed that whenever either psychopaths or Capitalists fail to justify themselves in an argument, natural selection is always their final plea.

I also strongly dislike the degree to which evolutionary theory has become an ideological status symbol, or qualification for social acceptance.  I've never seen anything else so strongly or adamantly used as a justification for rejecting or ostracising people, than their refusal to accept evolution as an idea.  Evolution is very much a gatekeeper idea; if you want anyone to like you in this society, you'd better make sure not only that you accept it, but that the word is regularly mentioned in both your thought and speech.

[Irene]

I'm more inclined to believe that ET is actually ED, phased. They are right next to us at a different "frequency", which they are able to manipulate in a way we can't.

To me, this explains how they are able to instantly appear and disappear, and why they are so hard to photograph. They warp gravity. Gravitational lensing has shown us what this can do.

Altered consciousness has also shown us what cannot be perceived in the drugless state.

We are surrounded, but limited by our brain's normal capacity to interpret our environment. The ability is there, but it must be enhanced chemically to induce higher levels of consciousness.

The shamanic experience is a good example. Indigenous peoples often chose individuals with schizo/psycho(tic) tendencies for their shamans because they were believed to be rooted in the spiritual world based on their schizo/psycho(tic) visions.

Based on what I've read over the years, I'd say these EDs are similar to either the creature in the "Predator" films or to the NA skinwalker, the latter being more in the nature of an inhabiting spirit, i.e., without a physical body, but able to inhabit any living creature.

There is a lot going on around us, but we have a severely limited capacity to sense it without chemical enhancement.

Anyway, feel free to tell me I'm full of s***. This is just my opinion based on personal experience.

[Pimander]

I don't like evolution as an idea.  That is not to say that I totally disbelieve in it; but as applied to humans specifically, I'm inclined to view it largely as fraud.

Evolution by natural selection definitely happens but that does not preclude the possibility that there are other mechanisms of evolution.

The descent of Man by Darwin, which gave rise to the theory that apes climbed out of trees and evolved into humans just does not hold water.  The theory has many holes in it that have never been filled by natural historians.  The aquatic ape theory is far better.

I've also noticed that whenever either psychopaths or Capitalists fail to justify themselves in an argument, natural selection is always their final plea.

That might be true but has no bearing on the theory of natural selection.

I'm more inclined to believe that ET is actually ED, phased.

I think it is an interesting line and will probably/possibly be part of the answer.  What people have traditionally considered Gods and spirits could be included here.  Jacques Vallee's books (and The Edge of Reality: A Progress Report on Unidentified Flying Objects co authored by Allen Hynek) are worth a look in this regard for an intelligent read.

I think in the search for "ET/ED/ID" intelligence, we should be aware of the possibility - in my view probability - that the reason the field is so confusing (including for military and private studies) is that there are several answers which would include physical phenomena (possibly humanoid ETs), interdimensional phenomena, stupidity and also outright fabrication are all part of the answer.

[petrus4]

I'm more inclined to believe that ET is actually ED, phased. They are right next to us at a different "frequency", which they are able to manipulate in a way we can't.

As far as I am concerned, this is true.  The usual model actually describes third density (which we are currently almost out of) as being the last which is exclusively focused on physical reality.  4D and onward are increasingly acorporeal in nature.  Bashar is usually described as early-ish 5D, and one of the other major channelled sources who I consider mostly legitimate, is from a society which I think is mid to late 4.  Said source is Pleiadian, which I am still somewhat suspicious of, truthfully; both due to their level of emphasis on sex, and also the amount of support that exists for the idea that pretty much everything to do with them is the result of a CIA psychological warfare operation.

Altered consciousness has also shown us what cannot be perceived in the drugless state.

The Beta/3D default state is extremely narrowly focused.  The primarily acorporeal beings operate at much greater bandwidth, and are able to perceive much more than we can simultaneously.  Depending on how far removed they are, they can find it just as difficult to perceive on our level as we do on theirs.  We are used to thinking of our own condition as normal, and other beings as weird; but there are some who consider us extremely strange.

The shamanic experience is a good example. Indigenous peoples often chose individuals with schizo/psycho(tic) tendencies for their shamans because they were believed to be rooted in the spiritual world based on their schizo/psycho(tic) visions.

I'm somewhat schizotypal, and I was receiving lots of contact in Nimbin at times, especially when I was on weed or other things.  The level of empathy that I was developing in particular, was the main reason why I left.  It just got too much, especially considering that many of the people I was usually around, were junkies and ex cons.  Being able to feel their emotions while stoned or tripping and paranoid myself, was a bit more than I wanted to handle, on a regular basis.  I also have more residual guilt left over from Christianity than I was consciously acknowledging, too.  I felt very, very dirty after my last LSD trip.

[zorgon]

The point of disclosure is not what people BELIEVE. There is people that believe that our planet is flat for example.

True and they are growing in numbers. In that case the government gave full disclorure that the planet is ROUND  but they don't buy it because as we all know the Government LIES

The probabilities they do exist are overwhelming tho.

There really is no question of their existance   The question is are they in the neighborhood and stopping by. Considering we are litarally in the middle of nowwhere on the edge of a tiny galaxy means we are not exactly on the main freeway of interstellar traffic.

No we do NOT need disclosure... what we need is just ONE hard case fact... one real saucer, one piece of alien metal not found on earth, one real alien... That is all we need...

What we get is endless hoaxes, manufactured aliens, ballooons passed off as UFO's and we STILL haven't stopped using the term "UFO" as meaning 'Alien Spacecraft"  Until we smarten up, this will just get worse because the old timers are dying off  and the young blood is more interested in making money on scams

Everyone who claims to have talked to an ET, invariably comes out admiting it was 'channelled' While I believe in channelling, the problem with it is that there is no way to verify WHO (or what) you are talking to.  How many times have the GDFL channeled to people that they were coming to save us but then never show up? For all I know those people (who truly believed they were talking to Ashtar Command) were actually channelling LOKI, the Trickster

Over the years the more I look at it, the more I see that it is less likely that they are here at all.  But for now I will stick with my original accessment  80%ish are plasma critters, native to earth and been around forever, 15% are our own secret airplanes and 5% the true visitors (like the Venusian flap in the 50's, which I believe they only said Venus as it was familiar)

That percentage is AFTER you remove all the weather phenomena, balloon, misidentified sightings, hoaxes and flying cows... (which account for at least 90%  nay 95% of sightings and reports)

And YES there ARE flying cows

[zorgon]

until Russia apparently did. 

When? Where? Links or it didn't happen

Many politicians have admited UFO's exist

Many government agencies have admited too and release to the public thousands of UFO files

What they DON'T have is reports of Alien Spacecraft

What they DON'T admit to is Aliens are real

A UFO is simply that  some unidentified phenomena. Anyone can admit to that

Even the Military does  not call them UFO's  they use terms like UAP  (unidentified aerial phenomena) and other terms I covered in another thread

[zorgon]

I'm more inclined to believe that ET is actually ED, phased. They are right next to us at a different "frequency", which they are able to manipulate in a way we can't.

I agree. So did Jaque Valee and Robert Bigelowe (and the Aviary and NISC)  So does Stargate SG1

They travel via portal and they may be the D'jinn. I really must put that all together on paper as it were before I forget my thoughts

To me, this explains how they are able to instantly appear and disappear, and why they are so hard to photograph. They warp gravity. Gravitational lensing has shown us what this can do.

This also explains bigfoot and Nessie sightings  We get brief glimpses of them in THEIR dimension, but the leave little or no physical evidence because they are not reallly here. We merely see them through a portal.
in the Air force stargate study paper it says "Naturally occurring anomalous teleportation phenomena that were previously studied by the United States and foreign governments were also documented in the study and are reviewed in the report. "  This paper is on my website and I have had advertizing on that page from the marines...  So...

[Eighthman]

The ED vs ET thing is OK, it helps explain a few things but to my tastes, it misses the primary stuff that Vallee brings up. Many people bring up the 'Trickster' element - I recall this mentioned by Russell Targ in regard to ESP events.

Why are "they" screwing with us?  Why do they seem to be in unity as to not appearing openly?  Why do they seem to lie so much?( depending on what encounters you accept as real) These things feel as if some
Overmind is involved.  Bernardo Kastrup has written books on this,such as "Meaning In Absurdity" and he warns that if material realism fails, we could be left with a "reality" that cannot be subject to true/false logic.  Makes my head hurt.



That's Medvedev and the media ran with the 'Men in Black' remark indicating a joke but that reference appears to misinterpreted.  If he was serious,  what are these Aliens DOING HERE?

[Pimander]

We merely see them through a portal.  in the Air force stargate study paper it says "Naturally occurring anomalous teleportation phenomena that were previously studied by the United States and foreign governments were also documented in the study and are reviewed in the report. "  This paper is on my website and I have had advertizing on that page from the marines...  So...

Aaah, so if you have read and believe Teleportation Physics Study then you must accept that the distances you quoted in another thread should NOT be an issue in the search for intelligent "alien" life.  Devil's advocate or what?  You know I'm not an idiot by now surely?  

Why are "they" screwing with us?  Why do they seem to be in unity as to not appearing openly?  Why do they seem to lie so much?( depending on what encounters you accept as real) These things feel as if some
Overmind is involved.  Bernardo Kastrup has written books on this,such as "Meaning In Absurdity" and he warns that if material realism fails, we could be left with a "reality" that cannot be subject to true/false logic.  Makes my head hurt.

It is something I came across when I was an undergraduate and we were looking in depth at parapsychology research.  We kept meeting researchers or reading that whenever they were close to nailing proof strange things would happen that can't be proven.  It can get frightening.  When I read Valle talking about it in relation to the UFO/aliens field I knew what he meant straight away.

If you have seen the Flatliners movie it is closer to what happened to us than is sane.  I would have been thrown off my course if they found out what we were trying!  (In the movie they stop their hearts so they can find out what happens when you die)  I'm glad we were so reckless then because I'm way to long in the tooth to mess with that sort of thing now!  The stupid risks some youngsters take to find out "the truth" is mind boggling.

That's Medvedev and the media ran with the 'Men in Black' remark indicating a joke but that reference appears to misinterpreted.  If he was serious,  what are these Aliens DOING HERE?

If you find out, be fuc4ing careful who you talk to, or "they" will be there to wipe your memory, dressed in black! 

[Eighthman]

I have wondered about this 'diversion' in other ways.  Someone gets close to proving Alien Abductions and gets killed by a car.  Eugene Mallove  pushes towards free energy and gets beaten to death.  All listings of a PBS NOVA show on using ESP to make 100K in silver futures vanish - and attempts to reproduce the profitable results (even for a worthy cause) fail.

There are plenty of these coincidences out there but they are seen as just that - unconnected events - are they really?  In particular, is free energy forbidden? 

I know this is subjective and therefore 'tricky' to judge but here goes..... for some time now, I have been trying to list events that would manifest a powerful shift out of this stagnant "Slough Of Despond" that we can't seem to break out of.  Examples:

1) Britain leaves EU, NATO breaks down
2) US loses world hegemony
3) Russia/China forms Eurasian alliance instead
4) North Korea really changes /reforms dramatically
5) small Disclosure of ET bacteria, maybe fossils
6) free (or free-er ) energy -after Eurasian alliance is stable
7) prolongation of life span

I keep watching and hoping........ thinking that our evolution as a civilization is jammed up and looking for steps that we hit 'escape velocity'.

[Eighthman]

Oh, I often forget something after making these long rants !

I cannot escape the feeling that what is most remarkable about our technology is NOT how much progress we've made - but how little.  No cure for cancer, no way to stop aging, no warp drive, no free energy, no really good battery.  And social progress?  Back to the Cold War, back to riots in cities, "snowflake" petulance, back to black slavery thru incarceration.......

We're stuck.  Often, when you're stuck, you may drift backwards and that's what I sense......