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https://www.reddit.com/r/AlienAbduction/comments/5dnbbi/what_is_the_purpose_of_alien_abductions_is_it_for/

Here we have a long thread about why aliens abduct humans.  I think the final opinion makes the most sense. Why?

First, the biggest mystery to me is what we have that aliens NEED - that they can't create otherwise.  We're talking about godlike beings and what the heck do they need us for?

Second, saying that they want to create a hybrid race and take over the planet makes no sense at all !  They have all sorts of ways to get rid of us easily (like disease).  They wouldn't need to do abductions again and again and again. They would just nab some human DNA (once) and grow however many they want.

The only conclusion that makes sense is that this involves time travel - because that explains Why They Need Us Specifically - as individuals in a timeline.  It fits the odd "real but not exactly real" nature of these experiences because the universe must "allow" these timeline intrusions very narrowly (otherwise our world would be crazy incoherent).

Further, these abductions may involve family lines - or intergenerational - even showing ancestors of the abductees!  This, by itself, looks like helping a Lineage Along thru time..........   

Quote from: Eighthman on September 03, 2017, 01:56:40 AM
The only conclusion that makes sense is that this involves time travel - because that explains Why They Need Us Specifically - as individuals in a timeline.

Sorry, I still don't understand the "why", could you explain it?

Thanks in advance. :)

No doubt there are several theories about Alien Abduction.

One being that the Greys are Time travelers from the future...and that is how our future generations will become..

BUT if so ...why do they need to come back in time to abduct us ?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1bgfqg

Another Ancient Aliens episode  that only may  discuss certain cases

Ancient Aliens: Strange Abductions

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xxql9b


There have been a few UFO series that I have seen that refer to AA. that offered some good suggestions also .but its trying to remember which ones...I seem to recall one being better than the others..

I found this one so far..but I have not re watched it to recheck what it describes...

Unsealed: Alien Files
Season 4
Episode 12: Alien Abduction

Other possible series that discuss it were possibly

Hanger 1,  ...  The  UFO Files ... The Conspiracy Files


Quote Eighthman

QuoteThe only conclusion that makes sense is that this involves time travel - because that explains Why They Need Us Specifically - as individuals in a timeline.  It fits the odd "real but not exactly real" nature of these experiences because the universe must "allow" these timeline intrusions very narrowly (otherwise our world would be crazy incoherent).

Further, these abductions may involve family lines - or intergenerational - even showing ancestors of the abductees!  This, by itself, looks like helping a Lineage Along thru time..........   

Was that an answer to my question?

If it was, I don't understand it, if it wasn't, could you answer me?
(if you know the answer, obviously)  :)

Are you asking me ArMaP ?   ???

I made a ref to part of Eightmans post...

Are you asking me to try to answer your question ?

I am no expert... and cannot always recall what I may have seen at some time straight away... sometimes things come back to me....and I may offer some suggestons..if my mind gets in the correct gear !

If you were able to watch some of the videos they may answer your questions ...if my attempts or suggestions may not do so..  :)

QuoteQuote from: Eighthman on September 02, 2017, 05:56:40 PM

    The only conclusion that makes sense is that this involves time travel - because that explains Why They Need Us Specifically - as individuals in a timeline.

ArMaP
Sorry, I still don't understand the "why", could you explain it?

Quote from: ArMaP on September 03, 2017, 04:15:05 PM
Was that an answer to my question?

If it was, I don't understand it, if it wasn't, could you answer me?
(if you know the answer, obviously)  :)

I don't understand your 'why".

If Alien Abductions are real (I think they are, within a broader context of 'real), then we need to think about their reasons for doing this.  And only one conclusion - of those imagined - makes sense.

I would add the fact that such aliens reportedly refer to humans as "containers" (of souls, apparently) - and also investigator Linda Howe was told that these events have to do with an afterlife. In addition, there are accounts such as by Whitney Scheiber about encounters with dead relatives and experiences similar to NDE's, including aliens. 

The particular point I keep coming back to - is why do they care about us?  How can we backward, feeble creatures have anything to offer them?  What about us is vital?   I think this timeline idea also comports well with the stuff Zorgon and Seeker discuss in regard to shifted events in their experiences.

Quote from: astr0144 on September 03, 2017, 04:24:52 PM
Are you asking me ArMaP ?   ???

I made a ref to part of Eightmans post...

Are you asking me to try to answer your question ?

Yes, as I didn't understand if you were talking about the "why" or not. :)

QuoteIf you were able to watch some of the videos they may answer your questions ...if my attempts or suggestions may not do so..  :)

No, I didn't watch the videos, I'm not wasting 88 minutes of my time just to see if they give me an answer or not, I'm not that interested in this for that. :)

Quote from: Eighthman on September 03, 2017, 04:38:55 PM
I don't understand your 'why".

Why do they abduct people? I don't understand how them being from the future explains why they do it.

QuoteWhat about us is vital?

Well, what is it, then? If we don't know then that's still not a better or worse explanation.

From what I recall... the ref to the Alien Files : The Greys video refers to them being possibly future humans coming back in time to abduct us is near the end of that video..maybe last 5 mins... At the moment for some reason I am unable to watch the video to confirm... (I sometimes have a problem on my computter playing them..on and off)

Initially when I did see it, I probably asked the same question.. and its a question that /  is,  Would you consider it a possibility ?... and I dont really think at that time that I thought that it would be likely...

But if I recall one possibility may had been because something went wrong in the future... (Which no doubt is likely) and they needed to come back to obtain Human DNA from the past...

Along the way you would think that they collected Human DNA as we evolved.. but say there had been a Nuclear war... maybe their samples got destroyed may be one suggestion or something along those lines..

but maybe they do come back to alter things in their present time with their species.

They may even come back to differing times..of past generations if they are able to Time travel !

Maybe that could make some sense !

If I recall other things I will try to post them...

Quote from: ArMaP on September 03, 2017, 04:44:27 PM
Yes, as I didn't understand if you were talking about the "why" or not. :)
No, I didn't watch the videos, I'm not wasting 88 minutes of my time just to see if they give me an answer or not, I'm not that interested in this for that. :)

Quote from: astr0144 on September 03, 2017, 05:36:18 PM
But if I recall one possibility may had been because something went wrong in the future... (Which no doubt is likely) and they needed to come back to obtain Human DNA from the past...

If they can go back in time and interfere with today's humans why can't they go back in time and stop whatever problem they had from happening?

That may be a question that no one can answer ! and the Ultimate suggestion to doubt the possibilty behind it.

Other than trying to suggest something like , maybe somethings occur and are either too large an event to prevent or change... or that there could have been too many factors that led to it that to change them all would seem either to complex or even maybe impossible..

Such as even the eg of all the atoms (or actions  ..Human,  environment or other factors ..)that took place over a period of time as say the leading up to the development of a Nuclear war as an eg... is maybe likely impossible to correct..due to just far too many factors.

cause and effect... Human thoughts and actions... all far too much to consider maybe as a suggestion !

and that may even be considered changing everything since the beginning of time that led up to events...

ie its just far too complex..

and no doubt maybe thats why we cannot comprehend time travel being possible.

OR MAYBE... yes they could possibly stop one specific important  vital event that would have prevented something occuring !...

or if say several Nukes were going to be set of from various Countries within a short time frame... Could they stop them all or in the right order to stop the related actions from cause and effect..

At the moment I cannot really offer any valid answer !

and I dont say that I believe it... its just a theory suggested by some of the so called experts !

The thing with the Video and suggested Experts who make comments about it... they do make suggestions that otherwise the viewer may not easily think to consider..

but I dont think any of us has the good enough answers or suggestions..


Based on some of those thoughts.. that seem almost impossible to comprehend...(At least for me ! )

IF A.As are for real.. then maybe it being from ETs is more likley behind it.

Just like if we were able to land on another Planet that contained life and were able to be like Star Trek and be able to be undetected..(If there were potential threats from Intellegent species ).if we had a Space ship orbiting the planet... chances are we would obtain various species to analyse them in a similar way that we believe ETs may do to us in a A.A..

just like we have done with most of the species..animal or plant/ vegitation,  we have found just on our planet alone over our evolvement..

Another possibility with greys is that they maybe a type of Created "Programmable Generated life form" that works for what ever other E.T species

Ie they maybe like created type Robots / Clones and may not really be real life forms..

they may do the work on behalf of other ETs species to do the Aductions..

Quote from: ArMaP on September 03, 2017, 05:46:38 PM
If they can go back in time and interfere with today's humans why can't they go back in time and stop whatever problem they had from happening?

a}  The Greys in particular can't ingest food orally the way we do.  The mouth is too small, and I don't know whether or not they still have digestive organs now, if they ever did.  They blend meat from mutilated cattle, and presumably sometimes humans, up into a paste combined with digestive enzymes, which they then spread on their arms, where the meat is digested and absorbed directly through the skin.  The one thing I never forgot about them taking me was the smell.  It's like rubber mixed with rotting flesh.  It was strong enough to create a burning sensation in my sinuses at times.

b}  They are in a state of severe genetic degradation.  They take human genetic material which they combine with their own DNA, and use that to form human/alien hybrid foetuses, which they then implant back into the wombs of human women, who then bring them to term.  The plan is to replace pure Greys with Grey/human hybrids, which they have to do, because they have no genetic future.  They are clones, and they have cloned themselves so many times that their DNA is now badly damaged and riddled with errors.  They can't reproduce on their own any more.

The hybrids are extremely psychologically unstable because the Greys do not have emotions at all, but the hybrids do, which they get from the human DNA.  The Greys also have no clue how to raise hybrid children, which is another reason why they abduct humans; to use them as surrogate parents and supervisors.

c}  The Greys who took me were also negatively polarised terrorists.  I was intercepted, initially when I was five, because my original purpose was to assist in the beneficial subversion and replacement of mainstream society.  They wanted to scare me sufficiently that I would be discouraged from doing that.  I am no longer following that purpose, and I'm fairly sure they think they've successfully psychologically neutralised me at this point.  To a certain extent they're right, although the real reason why I gave up was because of the Millennials, and not really because of anything the Greys did.  I also have protection now as well, however, which means that it's a lot harder for them to interfere with me now than it used to be.

Hi Petrus 4...

Appologies if  I have not come across your story before, but I was not aware of your claim to be abducted..

Have you posted a ref  or past detailed thread to it that we could read ?

I need to take some time to try to absorb your coments I think...

You maybe the person to answer the questions !

On a quick initial read of your comments... you seem to have some valid suggestions that may answer the threads main questions so far..

I have come across quite a few theories behind the Grey or Alien/ ET / Human Hybred suggestions.. that I have found very interesting to consider at the time..

Including some places that have been suggested that create them in underground bases in the U.K as well as the USA..

No doubt they could be all over the planet if they really do exist.

Quotea}  The Greys in particular can't ingest food orally the way we do.  The mouth is too small, and I don't know whether or not they still have digestive organs now, if they ever did.  They blend meat from mutilated cattle, and presumably sometimes humans, up into a paste combined with digestive enzymes, which they then spread on their arms, where the meat is digested and absorbed directly through the skin.  The one thing I never forgot about them taking me was the smell.  It's like rubber mixed with rotting flesh.  It was strong enough to create a burning sensation in my sinuses at times.

pets r us

QuoteI also have protection now as well, however, which means that it's a lot harder for them to interfere with me now than it used to be.

glad to hear it..i was very worried about you and the 'magic' investigations you were involving yourself with before

and big hugs..your maturity is showing  8)

Thanks for your answer, astr0144. :)

Hope I offered some suggestions to consider that may offer possiblities to consider... and not totally confused things too much.  ???

As time went on some of the thoughts and memories came back to me as well as some things that for what ever reason came into my head...

Or maybe there is just not even a possible suggestion to it...

Quote from: ArMaP on September 03, 2017, 07:08:24 PM
Thanks for your answer, astr0144. :)

Petrus,

On having read some of the VERY interesting Comments that you made....

Some of what you say reminded me of one other A.A video that I have seen...that may question the non beliver side of such A.A things.

in where they suggested another possibility is that people can be made to believe that they were or have been aducted.. be it a form of mind Control or due to other reasons.

What is your reply to that possibility ?

If it occurred when you were only a child at the time, How can you be sure it really happened and was not say a type of dream..

or do you believe it has occurred at other various stages in your life ?

I have come across stories of people who do claim to have had several abductions !

Quote

b}  They are in a state of severe genetic degradation.  They take human genetic material which they combine with their own DNA, and use that to form human/alien hybrid foetuses, which they then implant back into the wombs of human women, who then bring them to term.  The plan is to replace pure Greys with Grey/human hybrids, which they have to do, because they have no genetic future.  They are clones, and they have cloned themselves so many times that their DNA is now badly damaged and riddled with errors.  They can't reproduce on their own any more.

The hybrids are extremely psychologically unstable because the Greys do not have emotions at all, but the hybrids do, which they get from the human DNA.  The Greys also have no clue how to raise hybrid children, which is another reason why they abduct humans; to use them as surrogate parents and supervisors.

c}  The Greys who took me were also negatively polarised terrorists.  I was intercepted, initially when I was five, because my original purpose was to assist in the beneficial subversion and replacement of mainstream society.  They wanted to scare me sufficiently that I would be discouraged from doing that.  I am no longer following that purpose, and I'm fairly sure they think they've successfully psychologically neutralised me at this point.  To a certain extent they're right, although the real reason why I gave up was because of the Millennials, and not really because of anything the Greys did.  I also have protection now as well, however, which means that it's a lot harder for them to interfere with me now than it used to be.

Need some human DNA for your dying race?  There's plenty - grab all you want !  No need for these elaborate events or check-ups on family lines. Heck, hit a sperm bank or evidence locker or hospital.  Pick up some bottles that carry DNA (as CSI tells us).

And if all comes down to wombs needed, what's the deal with dudes? Why so much attention given? Again and again sometimes?  Why my junk, Greys?  There's plenty around....

Why specific people ------often repeated-------often associated with a lineage or intergenerational -----possibly associated with an afterlife?

I think often the USE of the Female Species Womb being required was suggested  other things that I have seen...and by Petrus4.

As far as I am aware .As far as maybe we are led to believe....I dont think everyones DNA is as yet in some location as a type of DNA Storage bank..

Unless they have been doing it since the present an even past generation populations birth... which is a possibility if they did know about DNA over the last few hundred years..

But even if it was stored in some specific location for us all... could they just easily find the relevant samples and obtain them ?

Maybe they could..in theory undected...ie invisibility...or purely being able to have ways to sort of copy it..like uploading a computer file..thru the either..

Maybe they just need to select certain DNA samples (Certain types of Humans )for whatever reason ?

But it may well be that they do need the Human Female species to give birth to their ET/ Human Hybred creations..

Not sure what you mean or the ref is to the afterlife ?

Other than we may just continue on in another form when we appear to die..

Quote from: Eighthman on September 03, 2017, 08:08:59 PM
Need some human DNA for your dying race?  There's plenty - grab all you want !  No need for these elaborate events or check-ups on family lines. Heck, hit a sperm bank or evidence locker or hospital.  Pick up some bottles that carry DNA (as CSI tells us).

And if all comes down to wombs needed, what's the deal with dudes? Why so much attention given? Again and again sometimes?  Why my junk, Greys?  There's plenty around....

Why specific people ------often repeated-------often associated with a lineage or intergenerational -----possibly associated with an afterlife?

They greys are not future beings travelling backwards in time; they are a dying race, pretty much as Petrus has described, trying to engineer a new race for themselves and preserve their race, if possible

Yes, they refer to our bodies as soul containers, and many people who have had Death experiences(such as me) recount the same thing; after the moment of death, DO NOT go into the light; that is an entrapment staged by the greys or some other set of entities; wait and you will see a tunnel open up and carry you to where you are supposed to be; going to the light will have you immediately sent back for another round of life without any parameters or experiences accounted for or set

The hardest concept for people to understand is we choose when to come here, choose the basic experiences we wish to have in this incarnation, until we have experienced all things and are ready to move on to the next task...


The lineage issue with regard to abductions has to do with specific trait DNA; no 2 humans have exactly the same DNA, and it is also tied to blood types as well as blood lines; but you will find that certain characteristics are dominant and are passed down thru each generation

As an example,my grandfather, my mother, me, my kids, and my grandkids are all AB-  8) 5 generations all with the same exact blood type and other characteristics that carry over

As believeable as yourself, Petrus and many others may appear to be Seeker in terms of appearing to give honest opinions on such descriptions...and many may like to accept what you suggest..maybe including me..

How do you know or  believe it to be fact ?

Even with the people who have informed us of their NDEs...and some suggested similar..

There are skeptics that have suggested that  what you think that you experienced.. that it may be some form of things that occur in the mind when such a thing / experience occurred to you..such as what seems like the tunnels and lights..

I am sure that you are well aware of that and looked into it in much depth.. since !

On doing so... I am trying to understand why you may conclude that there is some form of ET or Greys involved in what happens to us when we appear to die.

Unless we have been created by E.Ts who we may also suggest as our God !

I remember Much of Matrix Travellers claims and suggestions which I found very interesting at that time...so sort of can envision other possibilities..

BUT I was never totally convinced and maybe can never be so until it happens... and even then I may not know if it is still some sort of mind related actions that may occur before final death..

OR in some cases some people manage not to pass away and appear to come back.

I certainly think that I can accept the possibility of reincarnation and going on to other experiences...

But I am not sure I could ever convinced totally by others before I pass away..

but it maybe nice to know before I do and Im sure many may also think that way..

Others however may prefer not to know what may happen next !

Astro, all I will say is that you will experience it one day  8) I was legally dead for 33 minutes, no brain activity, no heart activity, toe tagged and about to be rolled to the morgue
8)

What you say does seem unbeliabable that you were able to return after so long !... :o    being classed as dead for 33 mins  and coming back to life seems so hard to believe that it could happen or be possible .

I am sure that you have questioned had the Doctors not just made a mistake in analysing the / your death ?

It must happen ! I am sure it has, but maybe a question of how or why ? ...depends on relevent circumstances..for certain conditions or causes of death..

I wonder how that compares to other cases..?

One thing I just read gave one eg of this happening to someone of 3 days...but chances are they just had made some error or that the case was just something very unusual and not easily detected..

or I think in this case... if say they left the body somewhere..after say the 1st hour or so... they may not have actually noticed when the person came back to life... it suggested that the body is left somewhere for 3 days..BUT is it really continuing to be monitored for life signs in the right way ? or maybe this is one that just did not get correctly checked and then they make claim that it was dead for 3 days before it showed signs of life..

I suspect that you have investigated no doubt !

If so what is the longest that you have come across so far in terms of being claimed dead and then returned ?

Do you think that maybe all or most people who appaer to die could or may have been able to  have come back ?

I am sure that you have discussed all this in large detail in other threads.. and I recall seeing you mention it in some posts in the past..but at the time maybe I did not really take the time looking into it in some or enough depth or detail...but this happens to us as we evolve... we become initially aware and may at some time later investigate further. or when we feel the need to do so.

QuoteThe Longest Time Span Of A Near Death Experience (NDE):

Reverend George Rodonaia was hit by a car in 1976, pronounced dead and left for three days in the morgue. It is the most extended case of a near-death experience ever recorded. It wasn't until the autopsy began and an incision was made in his abdomen when he felt the pain and his eyes shot wide open. He was immediately rushed to ER and survived after an extensive recovery. His 'Near Death Experience' made him believe more in God and also to enjoy nature in every aspect. He has spoken in many countries in the world regarding his experience. He is not looking for the answers as to 'Near Death Experience', because he feels one will fail in it's entirety and is more interested in other people's NDE's. He realizes that we are here to enjoy our life in a modest ways and basically not to worry about 'the little things in life.'

It is noted that scientists and some doctors argue the fact that it's not a Near Death Experience, but simply the brain dying in stages, but they cannot account for the fact that medically speaking after more than six minutes of no oxygen to the brain and no heart beat the person is deemed 'clinically dead.' Some patients after being deemed 'clinically dead' for up to 9 minutes or more. They can remember what the doctors and nurses were doing to revive them; what they were saying and they can describe the experiences they had and all have had an 'out of body experience' and have looked down on their own body. There must be a great deal of credibility to this because most hospitals in the lower mainland of British Columbia have nurses taking notes of dying patients in ICU. Doctors and scientists alike are studying what happens after death and why some people do come back and can tell about their experiences and have a renewed outlook on life.

Also in the mainland of British Columbia, once a person dies in the hospital their body is left in the room in which they died for one hour to be sure that their spirit has had time to leave their lifeless body. Once they are sent to the Funeral Home of the family's choice the body is kept for three days to be sure that the person is truly deceased.

Quote from: The Seeker on September 03, 2017, 10:57:37 PM
Astro, all I will say is that you will experience it one day  8) I was legally dead for 33 minutes, no brain activity, no heart activity, toe tagged and about to be rolled to the morgue
8)

http://oracleladies.com/?q=article/jimsparks-story

I recall illustrations of Greys showing Sparks activities of his ancestors. In the link, he talks about that they kept tabs on his lineage back to the time of Christ.

These people had no opportunity to pollute the world or create nukes or any mass destruction of the earth. Watching lineages must have a reason deeper than just creating some hybrids.  They must be keeping tabs on our history as involving individuals - perhaps involving some degree of reincarnation amidst the "containers".  Simply making a hybrid race should not require century after century.  Something else must be going on.

Quote from: The Seeker on September 03, 2017, 10:03:29 PM
no 2 humans have exactly the same DNA

Identical twins have. :)

If Aliens want our DNA why go to such trouble, a drop of blood or even saliva should be enough.

Thank you. Right to the point.

I was not familiar with Jim Sparks or his references to his past ancestors / Lineage back to Christ.

Its hard to say if there may be truth to it..unless one really is aware of the truths..

In ref to past Linages having had anything to do with FUTURE disasters... generally it does seem that they do with or have not been responsible ..certainly in creating disasters in the future that is OBVIOUS during those early periods...ref to some of the things that I may had suggested in other posts..


But they would actualy be part of the Cause and effect over the VERY long term existance of their future ancestors..if that may make some sence !

All I was meaning is when or if such an disaster event should happen.. that the persons involved who may create a disaster..such as a Nuke war.. were created from their past ancestors... which was to do with the Cause and effect  that led to it !

ie that say in the next 10,000 yrs or some time in the future... if something does happen in the Future that did change things such as a NUKE war that effected  humans or any type of hybreds or clones etc that MAY have become created..and then in time any survivors had later developed as or to become the Greys..

Then my suggestion was that they MAY IF possible obtain Time travel to come back in time to obtain DNA samples..

but that is only one theory out of many..

and if they did... its ONLY to times before the Nuke war occurred.. (if it had destroyed DNA samples that I am sure will all be stored in our near future now its been or appears to have been discovered in this last 50 to 100 yrs..)

In that case what I was suggesting is that they MAY also go back to different times of other generations.. based on some suggestions that UFO and ETs have been seen at / thru out  varying times in past history since man recorded things..

At the moment I cannot really think of any other reasons why they may do such things ...

and thats providing that my suggestions / theory may be correct...

As it usually seems to be the case , so many things do not seem possible to prove in these type of topics...

Quote from: Eighthman on September 04, 2017, 12:00:51 AM
http://oracleladies.com/?q=article/jimsparks-story

I recall illustrations of Greys showing Sparks activities of his ancestors. In the link, he talks about that they kept tabs on his lineage back to the time of Christ.

These people had no opportunity to pollute the world or create nukes or any mass destruction of the earth. Watching lineages must have a reason deeper than just creating some hybrids.  They must be keeping tabs on our history as involving individuals - perhaps involving some degree of reincarnation amidst the "containers".  Simply making a hybrid race should not require century after century.  Something else must be going on.

I'll suggest this also - as closely related to time travel ideas in alien motivations - what about other dimensions?

We are often exposed to the notion of UFO's popping in and out of our world, appearing and vanishing. If other dimensions exist, I would think there would likely be some sort of synchrony between them.  Quantum effects are spooky enough to suggest this.

So, the Greys could go out to monitor or fix things here that affect their dimensions.  Perhaps this would be an ongoing effort across ages or lineages.  "Seth Speaks" taught that human life here is like an onion, having many layers or shells and being multi-dimensional.  It would be 'nice' to think that "they've got our backs" but if they "have skin in the game" , that seems more believable.

Quote from: ArMaP on September 04, 2017, 12:45:25 AM
Identical twins have. :)

If Aliens want our DNA why go to such trouble, a drop of blood or even saliva should be enough.

Identical twins are a rarity, ArMaP, and I was speaking of the general population at large  ::)
This subject has been discussed several times already here, and always leads to the same conclusions, since there is no definitive proof either way

Ponder this; if there are certain genetic traits or genomes that are more desirable for whatever their purpose is, whether it is to breed a hybrid race, or track changes they have made in our genetic plan, does it not make sense to track your subject and their descendants?

@astro; not that it makes any difference, for as always it feels as if I am just wasting my time, if you are hooked to a heart monitor and an electroencephalograph, both showing flat lines, you are dead; they hit me with a defibrillator 8 times, injected adrenaline directly into my heart, before calling the time of death...

the certificate and tag were filled out, the nurses were cleaning up the mess and prepping my body when my heart started beating again

run a search on Dr Raymond A Moody, Dannion Brinkley, the book Life after Life, watch the movie Saved by the light; there are tens of thousands of people that have died and returned to tell their stories

8)

I think that I could accept that type of theory as being also possible ....

I do think Multi Universes or other fequencies could well exist..and that E.Ts  could pass from one to the other and so on..

Not as yet quite sure what you mean in ref about Human life in ref to layers and shells (Onion) other than could they be also part of the other frequencies (Within them maybe)if thats what you may be referring to !

OR MAYBE Past Times are now other Frequncies as well as Future ones to come...

I assume this is Seth Speaks that you refer to..but I was not aware of him or what he may be known for other than what you mentioned and what I can see at his website on a quick browse where he seems to describe various related words to do with Life / death stage ..conciousness for eg and NDE

http://www.seth-speaks.com/


so maybe those in the past still exist..

and if we do have time travel maybe we go into other freqencies or Time Travel would prove that they may still exist..

or as has been suggested when we think we die we just go to another frequency..or our Minds do...

and maybe it enters another vessel..

who knows ... many possibilies..

Quotehuman life here is like an onion, having many layers or shells and being multi-dimensional.

Quote from: Eighthman on September 04, 2017, 02:04:56 AM
I'll suggest this also - as closely related to time travel ideas in alien motivations - what about other dimensions?

We are often exposed to the notion of UFO's popping in and out of our world, appearing and vanishing. If other dimensions exist, I would think there would likely be some sort of synchrony between them.  Quantum effects are spooky enough to suggest this.

So, the Greys could go out to monitor or fix things here that affect their dimensions.  Perhaps this would be an ongoing effort across ages or lineages.  "Seth Speaks" taught that human life here is like an onion, having many layers or shells and being multi-dimensional.  It would be 'nice' to think that "they've got our backs" but if they "have skin in the game" , that seems more believable.

Thanks for explaining more detail Seeker..

It adds more to the mystery behind it...and strengthens your case...

All I can say at the moment is to wonder how you must have felt when you came back and found out what had happened and how your life since has been...and your investiagtions since..

Could not think of a more reason to question Life !

What age did this occur ? or how long ago ?

if and when I ever get more  time and have not been too much distracted... I will add more of this to future research list...

Quote
@astro; not that it makes any difference, for as always it feels as if I am just wasting my time, if you are hooked to a heart monitor and an electroencephalograph, both showing flat lines, you are dead; they hit me with a defibrillator 8 times, injected adrenaline directly into my heart, before calling the time of death...

the certificate and tag were filled out, the nurses were cleaning up the mess and prepping my body when my heart started beating again

run a search on Dr Raymond A Moody, Dannion Brinkley, the book Life after Life, watch the movie Saved by the light; there are tens of thousands of people that have died and returned to tell their stories

Quote from: astr0144 on September 04, 2017, 02:31:50 AM

Could not think of a more reason to question Life !

What age did this occur ? or how long ago ?

I don't have to question life, just who or what is screwing with it  8)

May 28th, 1980; I was 22 years old...

So Young to occur !...

I am not actually sure what had happened to you or if maybe you could have had any health problems prior ? or if it was from some accident !

or if it was just an unexpected,  unaccountable,  unexplained situation ..

or what do you think was screwing with you ? to cause you to die ? that you may had considered before suggesting the Greys or ETs involvement .

Quote from: The Seeker on September 04, 2017, 02:39:31 AM
I don't have to question life, just who or what is screwing with it  8)

May 28th, 1980; I was 22 years old...

Quote from: astr0144 on September 04, 2017, 02:49:05 AM
So Young to occur !...

I am not actually sure what had happened to you or if maybe you could have had any health problems prior ? or if it was from some accident !

or if it was just an unexpected,  unaccountable,  unexplained situation ..

or what do you think was screwing with you ? to cause you to die ? that you may had considered before suggesting the Greys or ETs involvement .

Here is a quote from Zorgon:

QuoteTake near death experiences for example. Only those that have actually had one can know with certainty what happened. All the rest can only guess.  But human nature tends to fear what they cannot understand so it is easier to call someone crazy than to have your own sanity shattered by alternative realities

I had an accident, busted up my left arm and back; had surgery to repair the nerves in my arm, then had a severe reaction during a mylegram(injected iodine in my spinal cord) went into anaphylactic  shock, BP hit 280/270, and died.

I went to a new age resort and a friend of mine arranged me to have a private talk with a guy who suffered massive organ failure and had an NDE.  The guy seemed to like my description of NDE's as 'more real than real' (I've heard).

He said he feels he made some sort of agreement (in death) whose details he can't remember.  He does remember a state in which all events seemed to be happening at the same time.

They ended up putting him on a feminist decision making group (for gender balance )- because he doesn't think "any of this is real".  Funny....

The short answer to this question is they have better technology, therefore, they have control over us.

These creatures are extremely curious and equally sadistic. Attributing any kind of benevolence to them is a mistake. They are emotionless.

As a fourth generation, ongoing CE5 contactee, I urge people to stop spreading the old, rancid BS about greys and Nordics and all that other crap.

They're insidious. The real deal never shows its face. They are like the Predator or the entity in the movie "Signs". In rare instances, they will take over the body of a nearby human, and sometimes an animal. They override the onboard "control" and suddenly you are staring at something so horrifying you cannot make a sound and your bowels turn to liquid. Their teeth turn black and they're very flip.

They talk to you directly and the cognitive dissonance is acute. It's usually someone you know and you watch as this "thing" communicates its presence, overlaying that person you know. And what they say to you is always sinister, threatening. They demand silence.

Watch the movie "Fallen" with Denzel Washington. You'll get some sense of the sensation.

I know, you think I'm joking, right?

Wrong.

These things have been doing evil to me since I was a baby. My sister, my mother, my father, my grandfather, my great-grandfather. On and on.

My GG was out on a local lake at 0300 one morning. This was during WWII. He saw something, put down his rod, and rowed in.

My grandmother heard him come into the cottage and sit down at the kitchen table. He told her he saw something. She thought it might be some experimental military craft.

He looked up at her and said it was "not of this earth".

Before this contact, my GG was a happy man and liked to tell jokes and such.

My grandmother said he was never the same man after that. She said he never smiled or laughed again.

This is serious sh*t. I've been violently assaulted by these things many times over the years. It usually takes me one to two days to recover.

They are real and they are bad news.

I see ... Seemed a terrible accident and some serious treatment.

I dont know much about Chemicals or drugs in much valid detail..or how Iodine may effect certain people...or how it may effect you in ref to  the spinal Cord being injected..

Or if you may have also been on some drugs as other pain killers...

If you had been given certain drugs or if Iodine has certain effects....

it maybe suggested by some that it may account for how you perceived things during those 33 mins... and you would not know how you may have been if you had also died without anything given to you...too compare.

so one will ask as to how it may or could have effected you..

Its a tricky one as I think I have seen programs that may had related to such a topic ...

but in ref to the Anaphylactic shock and severe high BP..
compared to normal BP which I believe is 120/80.. then as "Z" says no one could really understand unless they experienced it themseleves...

Maybe the massive increase in BP did things in your brain... and somehow over time it corrected as you calmed during what appeared as death...

Maybe certain sysmptoms made it appear you dead as the bodies functions were not operating.. heart , blood flow to brain as normal etc...

But I would have NO idea why you would have died for 33 mins and comeback  to life ! and appear back mentally and physicaly I assume as whats classed as normal ! without any damage ... if I assume right !


seeker

QuoteI had an accident, busted up my left arm and back; had surgery to repair the nerves in my arm, then had a severe reaction during a mylegram(injected iodine in my spinal cord) went into anaphylactic  shock, BP hit 280/270, and died.

That seems sort of weird, but I can sort of envision it..where things (or series of events etc )seem to be happening at the same time.

I assume when you say THEY put him on  Feminist  or gender related group... was maybe it was a decision they made but maybe not something he would had considered normally..

that seems a bit weird as well..and for what reason I wonder uness he had some sort of background to it..and he does not think its real ... Strange !

QuoteI went to a new age resort and a friend of mine arranged me to have a private talk with a guy who suffered massive organ failure and had an NDE.  The guy seemed to like my description of NDE's as 'more real than real' (I've heard).

He said he feels he made some sort of agreement (in death) whose details he can't remember.  He does remember a state in which all events seemed to be happening at the same time.

They ended up putting him on a feminist decision making group (for gender balance )- because he doesn't think "any of this is real".  Funny....

I must have missed your earlier posts Irene..maybe of your main story that led you on this path in ref to your E.T type experiences.. if you had made ref to some of the things that you have said..

You make it certainly seem connected to the thread content in ref to what ever entities that they maybe.. and seem to have been involved in several cases with them over a long time...and also relate these to your Grandparents days..

But if you now only take 2 to 3 days to get over some situations with them, you seem almost  immune to them IMO. as many may take a lifetime to get past just one such situation...

So I wonder how much have your story that you have maybe told..and if you have ever told it to many of the main Guru types that we see discuss such things on many of the UFO/ET TV programs etc.

Its one id like to see you discuss with one of those interviewers..as your case may seem much more extreme than many that I have seen..

But you appear ... normally not to show or make that much ref to it,  that Ive seen in several of the posts that Ive read of yours so far.. but I have not read all your past topics..especially in the last 2 months...when I was not posting..

QuoteThe short answer to this question is they have better technology, therefore, they have control over us.

These creatures are extremely curious and equally sadistic. Attributing any kind of benevolence to them is a mistake. They are emotionless.

As a fourth generation, ongoing CE5 contactee, I urge people to stop spreading the old, rancid BS about greys and Nordics and all that other crap.

They're insidious. The real deal never shows its face. They are like the Predator or the entity in the movie "Signs". In rare instances, they will take over the body of a nearby human, and sometimes an animal. They override the onboard "control" and suddenly you are staring at something so horrifying you cannot make a sound and your bowels turn to liquid. Their teeth turn black and they're very flip.

Astro,

It takes one to two days for the physical pain to subside. The psychological toll over my lifetime is ongoing. These creatures have helped destroy the person I was meant to be.

Do read my other posts since I joined. I've explained quite a bit in them. My thread Hunt for the Skinwalker (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9850.msg129977#msg129977) is a good place to start.

Agh ! I see that I had come across one of your related threads and had read and commented on your 1st main post to it..so much stuff posted its hard to recall all that Ive read..or it needs sometimes to be seen a few times or to have another post from you like this last few to make me relate to it.

I will reread to become familiar again.

Thanks for your link..

Quote from: Irene on September 04, 2017, 05:16:33 AM
Astro,

It takes one to two days for the physical pain to subside. The psychological toll over my lifetime is ongoing. These creatures have helped destroy the person I was meant to be.

Do read my other posts since I joined. I've explained quite a bit in them. My thread Hunt for the Skinwalker (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9850.msg129977#msg129977) is a good place to start.

Yes I now recall your post and the initial comments that I made after rereading your 1st main post and my reply and some other comments made by others.

I probably just did not realise how serious you took it at that time if my judgement is right in ref to what you had said in your post on this thread..

Knowing George Knapp was involved in that book does seem to help back you up..and make one not easily reject your claims..

I will say however somethings that I read also could be seen as being Mind Control...or even Curse like..

but whether one would think its man made or E.T related in ref to certain things... its very hard to say.

Ive read quite a bit from certain persons whom Ive followed on certain websites.. that seem similar... and they make various suggetions of what seem similar descriptions on certain parts of the topic.

Could it be the likes of Egytian like Curses and Indian or North American indian such things could be related or are they all maybe created by E.Ts..

or has the Likes of Movies and Too Much TV made many believe such things are happening to them.

IF you say that you have witnessed some sort of entitity visually clearly... then that may be a different case..

but its hard if maybe you get the impression that some sort of entity is in your presence, yet you cannot actualy see it..

or we believe animals are seeing it and we cannot..

Its a real tough one for me..

and its also hard to know if the likes of something like the CIA could be creating such thoughts into people..

If you really know you have seen the entity... was it one like a Grey or some other species ?

Quote from: Irene on September 04, 2017, 05:16:33 AM
Astro,

It takes one to two days for the physical pain to subside. The psychological toll over my lifetime is ongoing. These creatures have helped destroy the person I was meant to be.

Do read my other posts since I joined. I've explained quite a bit in them. My thread Hunt for the Skinwalker (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9850.msg129977#msg129977) is a good place to start.

In this ref you stop spreading the BS about Greys / Nordics..and make a ref to the real deal not showing itself..

Im not sure if Ive seen Signs ! maybe so.. or similar in "Dark Skies" where strange things occur but we dont seem to see anything, other than say moving Non entity like objects such as furniture..

Some people are more sensitive to feeling something or hearing it... others are more visual and have to see it to believ it....

One may wonder if some of us maybe are just turned into what ever it may be in differing ways... maybe.

or some of us may be more effected by mind control than others..

like they say some mediums relate in somethings most do not..

QuoteAs a fourth generation, ongoing CE5 contactee, I urge people to stop spreading the old, rancid BS about greys and Nordics and all that other crap.

They're insidious. The real deal never shows its face. They are like the Predator or the entity in the movie "Signs". In rare instances, they will take over the body of a nearby human, and sometimes an animal. They override the onboard "control" and suddenly you are staring at something so horrifying you cannot make a sound and your bowels turn to liquid. Their teeth turn black and they're very flip.

Quote from: astr0144 on September 04, 2017, 05:54:41 AM
Yes I now recall your post and the initial comments that I made after rereading your 1st main post and my reply and some other comments made by others.

I probably just did not realise how serious you took it at that time if my judgement is right in ref to what you had said in your post on this thread..

Knowing George Knapp was involved in that book does seem to help back you up..and make one not easily reject your claims..

I will say however somethings that I read also could be seen as being Mind Control...or even Curse like..

but whether one would think its man made or E.T related in ref to certain things... its very hard to say.

Ive read quite a bit from certain persons whom Ive followed on certain websites.. that seem similar... and they make various suggetions of what seem similar descriptions on certain parts of the topic.

Could it be the likes of Egytian like Curses and Indian or North American indian such things could be related or are they all maybe created by E.Ts..

or has the Likes of Movies and Too Much TV made many believe such things are happening to them.

IF you say that you have witnessed some sort of entitity visually clearly... then that may be a different case..

but its hard if maybe you get the impression that some sort of entity is in your presence, yet you cannot actualy see it..

or we believe animals are seeing it and we cannot..

Its a real tough one for me..

and its also hard to know if the likes of something like the CIA could be creating such thoughts into people..

If you really know you have seen the entity... was it one like a Grey or some other species ?

In this ref you stop spreading the BS about Greys / Nordics..and make a ref to the real deal not showing itself..

Im not sure if Ive seen Signs ! maybe so.. or similar in "Dark Skies" where strange things occur but we dont seem to see anything, other than say moving Non entity like objects such as furniture..

Some people are more sensitive to feeling something or hearing it... others are more visual and have to see it to believ it....

One may wonder if some of us maybe are just turned into what ever it may be in differing ways... maybe.

or some of us may be more effected by mind control than others..

like they say some mediums relate in somethings most do not..

I take what happens to me very seriously. I'm violently assaulted.

I cannot compare the entities I've been exposed to to any so-called greys, etc.

As I posted earlier, the real ET/EDs do not show themselves in their true form. Ever. They may not have a form that is corporeal. That is my belief.

I think there is a great deal of truth in the myths and literature of people like the Native Americans, etc. There is, I think, heavily obscured truth in religious texts like the Bible. I believe that is because, again, in my opinion, those who could read and write were/are being greedy with their knowledge.

I hate people like that. Always with the f'ing secrets. It's those secrets that are crippling our ability to escape this GD prison.

Quote from: space otter on September 03, 2017, 06:59:15 PM
pets r us
glad to hear it..i was very worried about you and the 'magic' investigations you were involving yourself with before

I don't have anything at all to do with occultism any more.  About the closest I get to it is the Law of Attraction, although truthfully I even worry about that, because I don't completely know which spirits are involved, and I don't necessarily believe that it is a purely mechanistic process.

Quote from: Irene on September 04, 2017, 05:16:33 AM
These creatures have helped destroy the person I was meant to be.

This is exactly the point.  Their entire purpose is primarily to demoralise individuals who are unusually strongly polarised towards Service to Others, to use Law of One terminology.  The stuff about their own impending extinction may or may not be true, but to a degree I think it's cover, intended to cause us to feel empathy towards them.

I haven't had the possession type experiences with them that Irene has as such; although I have at times had some extreme paranoia and horrible thought patterns while extremely stoned.  It can feel very oppressive and difficult to shake off, at times; and it is part of the reason why I'm probably not going to be smoking quite as much in the future.  I've also learned to try not to ever do anything I feel guilty for, and to never accuse anyone specific of anything where possible.  Guilt and accusation are the two main ways they get in; if you can avoid those, it will go a long way towards keeping you safe from them.

In terms of the consensus channelling cosmology, the Greys primarily exist at fifth density, which is the level that Bashar has claimed to inhabit.  5D is the last level in which there is substantial interaction with physical or corporeal reality, and it is also the last level at which the Service to Self polarity (which the Greys are aligned with, colloquially known as evil or the Dark Side of the Force) can meaningfully exist.

The Service to Self polarity is inherently non-regenerative; and in that sense, it is fundamentally antithetical to the nature of the quantum field itself, which does continually regenerate.  This likely also explains why the Greys are now at a genetic dead end, as well.  Although this is no longer primarily the case, human reproduction was originally intended to take place within a context of intense love.

Although I do have more protection now, at the risk of sounding cowardly, the main way I deal with the Greys, is that I have learned to avoid any activities which they consider threatening.  I've also cultivated relationships, at least to a degree, with a couple of Godforms who are exceptionally good at banishing and protection; truthfully my entire spiritual model, such as it is, is centered around that.

I think the other reason why they don't bother me now, is because they know that at this point, my own fear of both my age and mainstream society is sufficiently great that that does their job for them.  Although in some respects I am demoralised now, that ultimately had nothing to do with the Greys; as a matter of fact, my abductions ultimately ended up being very fortifying.  I am a lot better than most people, at dealing with things that would cause the average person to become catatonic, because I've been dealing with high levels of generalised fear for as long as I've been alive.

My main sources of fear and depression now are the Millennials, transhumanism and the direction in which technology is going, and the inhumanity of Western governments and multinational corporations.

I am not going to accomplish what I came here for; which was to be part of establishing an intensely positive and benevolently oriented society, which also made use of a very high level of technological advancement.  My source of comfort there, however, is the knowledge that the reason for my failure is not so much because of what I have not done, but because I have also seen that the Millennials do not want that.

Although exceptions do exist, for the most part, the Millennials do not want freedom.  They don't want the truth.  They want to be enslaved.  They want Socialism.  They want instant gratification, and the abdication of personal responsibility, and a scenario where all of the difficult decisions are made for them by someone else, while they sit playing FarmVille on Facebook.

I will still help the few individual people I can, in whatever small ways that I can, as well as trying to continue to develop my own maturity.  As far as the proverbial spiritual war is concerned though, for the most part now I'm on the bench; and most of my prayer over the last eighteen months has centered around requests for permission to do that.

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Quote from: Eighthman on September 04, 2017, 04:06:54 AM
I went to a new age resort and a friend of mine arranged me to have a private talk with a guy who suffered massive organ failure and had an NDE.  The guy seemed to like my description of NDE's as 'more real than real' (I've heard).

Colour saturation is a lot stronger, is the main thing.  I won't claim to have had an NDE as such, but I've been to a couple of Afterlife constructs.  The immediate after-death orientation experience, is itself somewhat different to the BSTs.  Belief System Territories; essentially virtual realities which correspond with the expectations of various belief systems, but which are constructed from etheric energy, rather than the electrical energy that our Internet is made of, which exists at a somewhat more physical level.

    Qoy qeylIs puqloD.
    Qoy puqbe'pu'.
    yoHbogh matlhbogh je SuvwI'

        Say'moHchu' may' 'Iw.

    maSuv manong 'ej maHoHchu'.
    nI'be' yInmaj 'ach wovqu'.
    batlh maHeghbej 'ej yo' qIjDaq vavpu'ma' DImuv.
    pa' reH maSuvtaHqu'.
    mamevQo'. maSuvtaH. ma'ov.

    Hear! Sons of Kahless.
    Hear! Daughters too.
    The blood of battle washes clean

        The Warrior brave and true.

    We fight, we love, and then we kill.
    Our lives burn short and bright,
    Then we die with honor and join our fathers in the Black       
    Fleet where we battle forever, battling on through the
    Eternal fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rgps2D3LptY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsjhdoWKtXM

I don't remember anything quite that bad, although me lying down and them leaning over me, yes.  I can also remember being paralysed and being very, very angry with them for some reason.  My personality goes past fear and into rage at a certain point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=721dj9588TU

For my own sake at least, I was able to forgive them after I saw  Signs.  I needed to see one of them have violence done to it; because one of the main things they've always revelled in, is the idea that they can violate us without any consequences to them.

We need to avoid hating them more than anything else; they want us to feel that sort of emotion more than anything else, even if it is towards them.

Quote from: The Seeker on September 04, 2017, 02:20:20 AM
Identical twins are a rarity, ArMaP, and I was speaking of the general population at large  ::)

Then you should have been more specific. :)

QuotePonder this; if there are certain genetic traits or genomes that are more desirable for whatever their purpose is, whether it is to breed a hybrid race, or track changes they have made in our genetic plan, does it not make sense to track your subject and their descendants?

If they made changes to our DNA then it makes sense to track our evolution.

You guys are funny with the DNA theories.

All those f'ers are interested in is making a juicier hamburger.

Trying to reread some of your posts Irene..

If you have had or are still having the disturbing experiences that you describe... I dont think that I have come across anyone who has made such claims before...

I am aware stories of Alien Abductions and many of the things that aductees claimed have happened to them...which I think were usually if they had been taken onto an ET Craft.. and usually placed on a sort of table and probed etc..

But Other than what I may have seen on some movies or the Programs like "X Files" that are Sci Fi.. I dont think that I have become aware of anyone claiming to be physically assauted by such entities...

So How often have they assaulted you and just how bad..

Have you become disabled by these assaults ? or do you always recover ?

Do you get black and blue / bruising or even broken bones ?
or such a injury that you have not since been able to recover from it...

Do you have photos of your injuries / bruising from it  as actual proof ?

If they are so bad its a wonder you are alive or not in a state that you can not function physically...not to mention the mental issues that I think would break most of us !

What have you done about the assaults if they are as bad as you suggest..

If the entities are invisible to you and you are just aware of their presence and physically are able to feel their attacks on you..

Reporting to the Police no doubt will not do anything for you..
or they got to see your injuries or briusing... they may then investigate to try to find if any of your associates have attacked you..who have not ! 

So no doubt you will  have you investigated ways that you can try to do something about it....

no doubt your research with the books and certain films..

Ive heard stories of Black magic, curses and people trying to find ways to stop being attacked by it ... that type of thing..

or people contacting paranormal investigators !
Have you tried anything like that ?

It may remind me being similar to the Exorcist film...

where a person is taken over by something evil..and they have to get a priest to help them get rid of the problem..

or maybe you have not been able to find any solution to it.

Have you come across others who have had similar situations as you ?

Maybe others on the forum ? that I have missed or who may have contacted you.. other than those who have been abducted by the known visible ETs...

QuoteI take what happens to me very seriously. I'm violently assaulted.

I cannot compare the entities I've been exposed to to any so-called greys, etc.

As I posted earlier, the real ET/EDs do not show themselves in their true form. Ever. They may not have a form that is corporeal. That is my belief.

I think there is a great deal of truth in the myths and literature of people like the Native Americans, etc. There is, I think, heavily obscured truth in religious texts like the Bible. I believe that is because, again, in my opinion, those who could read and write were/are being greedy with their knowledge.

I hate people like that. Always with the f'ing secrets. It's those secrets that are crippling our ability to escape this GD prison.

Quote from: Irene on September 04, 2017, 11:19:19 PM
You guys are funny with the DNA theories.

All those f'ers are interested in is making a juicier hamburger.

Quote from: astr0144 on September 05, 2017, 12:27:22 AM
Trying to reread some of your posts Irene..

If you have had or are still having the disturbing experiences that you describe... I dont think that I have come across anyone who has made such claims before...

I am aware stories of Alien Abductions and many of the things that aductees claimed have happened to them...which I think were usually if they had been taken onto an ET Craft.. and usually placed on a sort of table and probed etc..

But Other than what I may have seen on some movies or the Programs like "X Files" that are Sci Fi.. I dont think that I have become aware of anyone claiming to be physically assauted by such entities...

So How often have they assaulted you and just how bad..

Have you become disabled by these assaults ? or do you always recover ?

Do you get black and blue / bruising or even broken bones ?
or such a injury that you have not since been able to recover from it...

Do you have photos of your injuries / bruising from it  as actual proof ?

If they are so bad its a wonder you are alive or not in a state that you can not function physically...not to mention the mental issues that I think would break most of us !

What have you done about the assaults if they are as bad as you suggest..

If the entities are invisible to you and you are just aware of their presence and physically are able to feel their attacks on you..

Reporting to the Police no doubt will not do anything for you..
or they got to see your injuries or briusing... they may then investigate to try to find if any of your associates have attacked you..who have not ! 

So no doubt you will  have you investigated ways that you can try to do something about it....

no doubt your research with the books and certain films..

Ive heard stories of Black magic, curses and people trying to find ways to stop being attacked by it ... that type of thing..

or people contacting paranormal investigators !
Have you tried anything like that ?

It may remind me being similar to the Exorcist film...

where a person is taken over by something evil..and they have to get a priest to help them get rid of the problem..

or maybe you have not been able to find any solution to it.

Have you come across others who have had similar situations as you ?

Maybe others on the forum ? that I have missed or who may have contacted you.. other than those who have been abducted by the known visible ETs...

You've asked for some very private information that I will not share. I'm only aware of these attacks after they happen by being slammed down on my bed, as if dropped from a great height.

I take an inventory of my pains, get up, gobble Advil and make coffee. There is no going back to sleep.

Call the police? Get real. I'd be admitted to the nearest loony bin.

Evidence? It never shows with one exception, a blood tattoo - N6. It disappeared after two days and so did the picture I took of it.

injuries are internal for the most part.

Don't ask me for details of these attacks. I'm already dealing with a full load of health issues among other things.

Don't take it personally. I just don't know you or any of the thousands out there who may read this.

In ref to some of your comments Petrus,

What is difficult for many who become aware of a person who make certain claims in ref to some sort of ET contact..when they become aware that, that person may had been influenced with drugs... is that they will often believe that the effects of the drugs have made that person have possible beliefs or mind alterations that they may make them believe that they have had such abductions with ETs..

So if you have had genuiene experiences ... people would be less likely to believe the description.

But I realise that is not often the case that the experincer who may tell their story... that they are not trying or are not bothered if anyone believes them or not !

but for those who are interested in wanting to know..if the experiencer is good enough to tell their story.. like some ET researchers... they may be less convinced or have doubts of what they had observed.

QuoteI haven't had the possession type experiences with them that Irene has as such; although I have at times had some extreme paranoia and horrible thought patterns while extremely stoned.  It can feel very oppressive and difficult to shake off, at times; and it is part of the reason why I'm probably not going to be smoking quite as much in the future.  I've also learned to try not to ever do anything I feel guilty for, and to never accuse anyone specific of anything where possible.  Guilt and accusation are the two main ways they get in; if you can avoid those, it will go a long way towards keeping you safe from them.

No doubt having had some disturbing experinces could also make one take to drugs...

so... you may had had the experiences you descibe and later turned to drugs..

or it could be that you had other experiences that led you to drugs.. that later made you believe that you had been abducted..


Becoming aware of the real fears of Life and things that you descibe are enough to turn us all into depression...

not knowing the real fears .. if possible is a better way to live...
where you one dont know cannot effect you for certain things..

although often we can end up at some stage later in Life not knowing something that catches us out.. and we really needed to be aware or know about certain things..

There is not any easy answers at times...

but age and experience and hopefully being able to deal with lifes bad issues.. hopefully can help us avoid situations or be able to deal with them better..

Im sure a majority get effected by certain things that stop us achieving our full potential and fears often prevent our best development..or to get the results we should believe we deserve !

QuoteI think the other reason why they don't bother me now, is because they know that at this point, my own fear of both my age and mainstream society is sufficiently great that that does their job for them.  Although in some respects I am demoralised now, that ultimately had nothing to do with the Greys; as a matter of fact, my abductions ultimately ended up being very fortifying.  I am a lot better than most people, at dealing with things that would cause the average person to become catatonic, because I've been dealing with high levels of generalised fear for as long as I've been alive.

My main sources of fear and depression now are the Millennials, transhumanism and the direction in which technology is going, and the inhumanity of Western governments and multinational corporations.

I am not going to accomplish what I came here for; which was to be part of establishing an intensely positive and benevolently oriented society, which also made use of a very high level of technological advancement.  My source of comfort there, however, is the knowledge that the reason for my failure is not so much because of what I have not done, but because I have also seen that the Millennials do not want that.

I was purely asking if you would explain certain things from your explanation Irene...in order to try to understand further..

as some things I did or could not really understand.

When I refer to Police...

I was thinking that you may have been severely attacked and in such a way... that if someone reported to them that you had been found battered.. then it maybe that they would have investigated and obviously made some conclusions...

That from what you described would have been the wrong one..

and yes it could still have led to them making the wrong actions..

although unless they have proof Im not sure they could..

but if you have worked with the Police you know more than me..

I did not mean to get too personnel or private..

Just trying to understand  and trying to make some suggestions that may help !

QuoteYou've asked for some very private information that I will not share. I'm only aware of these attacks after they happen by being slammed down on my bed, as if dropped from a great height.

I take an inventory of my pains, get up, gobble Advil and make coffee. There is no going back to sleep.

Call the police? Get real. I'd be admitted to the nearest loony bin.

Evidence? It never shows with one exception, a blood tattoo - N6. It disappeared after two days and so did the picture I took of it.

injuries are internal for the most part.

Don't ask me for details of these attacks. I'm already dealing with a full load of health issues among other things.

Don't take it personally. I just don't know you or any of the thousands out there who may read this.

Quote from: astr0144 on September 05, 2017, 01:27:22 AM
What is difficult for many who become aware of a person who make certain claims in ref to some sort of ET contact..when they become aware that, that person may had been influenced with drugs...

You are more than welcome to question my sanity, astro.  I truthfully often do myself.

What happened to me occurred repeatedly over a period of 20 years.  I don't smoke marijuana as a result of the abductions, though.  I smoke marijuana in order to deal with the fact that I live in a society that is primarily inhabited by people, who have mostly abandoned whatever semblance of positive ethics that our species had previously lived by, for at least the last 6,000 years.

I also smoke marijuana to deal with the fact that I am living in a place which is in direct violation of what I had previously thought was my destiny, and as a means of attempting to cope with the fact that said destiny will not be realised. 

I am a person with a lot of problems.  I have diagnoses of both autism and post traumatic stress disorder, and although I haven't been given either, I'm fairly certain that I could be diagnosed as both narcissistic and schizotypal as well.  So am I an unreliable narrator?  Yep.  In spades.  I survive as best I can, and sometimes in the eyes of people who are able to have a more comfortable existence, "as best I can," can look all kinds of fragged up.  The one good thing it's done for me, is that at this point I know that no matter what is going on around me, the most effective thing I can do is just take a deep breath, maybe smoke a few more cones, and wait for it to pass.

Looking at it now, for me the abductions have really just been one more thing among many.   The Greys are merely one more set of predators to dodge, but the truth is that there are plenty of other predators down here on Earth as well.  So if you want to interpret said abductions as me having dreams about the other people who were chasing me at the time, that works fine, if it makes you feel better.

I'm a civilian.  I'm not a cop or a soldier.  I don't generally have to deal with violence these days; I stay as far away from that crap as I can, at this point.  Sometimes, though, staying away from violence means staying in my room.  Sometimes it means not going into town to buy food until the early evening in order to make sure that there are a minimal number of other people up there.  Kali is good to me, and what other people would interpret as schizophrenia, I interpret as her warnings.  I've often had people tell me about fights at the smoking tables just outside where I am typing these words, or in town, but I won't have been around because I was in my room at the time.

The first game they taught us to play at primary school was poison ball; and one way or another, it's really the only game I've ever played since.  So again; the Greys work just as well for me as metaphor, as they do as fact.  I initially doubted the reality of what I experienced myself; but what changed was when I read about Mindscan (http://www.ufoabduction.com/straighttalk.htm) and the paralysis, and realised that I had experienced that more than once.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xafva4RhEfk

I am not an atheist, but the Goddess I pray to wears that woman's face.  Sarah Connor and I have a disturbing amount in common at times, as does, I suspect, Irene.  If you want to play Doctor Silverman in response, I bear you no ill will for doing so.  It's a lot less frightening than the alternative; and at times, I've truthfully envied those who have the luxury of skepticism.

QuoteSo if you have had genuiene experiences ... people would be less likely to believe the description.

I've had enough experience with LSD and weed at this point, that I know the difference between the two.

QuoteBut I realise that is not often the case that the experincer who may tell their story... that they are not trying or are not bothered if anyone believes them or not !

Let me put it this way.  What I have dealt with in the past, and will in other respects deal with in the future, will remain the same regardless of whether or not I am believed by anyone.  I am not someone who will gain anything from being believed, which means that I have no incentive to tell a good story.  In order to become a celebrity, I would first need exposure to other people, and other than a small amount of posting on Reddit, this site now represents the only regular online contact that I have with anyone.  I communicate with family, but less frequently than I come here.  I believe that I am literally living during the Biblical End of Days, and very little of what I see convinces me otherwise.

I have people offline, but I haven't told them about this; and said group also changes reasonably frequently, because the woman who owns the hostel where I live, is severely demoralised and unstable as well, and she can evict long term residents suddenly and without warning.  I have a good relationship with her, but I also try and stay out of her way, because my life would become more complicated than I would like if I had to leave here.  This place is not a psychiatric inpatient unit, but it's about as close to one as I feel safe getting, because I know the people in them can be extremely sadistic as well.

QuoteBecoming aware of the real fears of Life and things that you descibe are enough to turn us all into depression...

I have been through suicidal depression, and at this point have come out the other side.  Life is still worth living, because I can find beauty, meaning, and pleasure in several of the things I am able to do; but very few of said things have anything to do with the perpetual ocean of apocalyptic diarrhea that we call mainstream American-based society.

Quotenot knowing the real fears .. if possible is a better way to live...
where you one dont know cannot effect you for certain things..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLv6ycYcpGI

Quote from: astr0144 on September 05, 2017, 12:27:22 AM

If you have had or are still having the disturbing experiences that you describe... I dont think that I have come across anyone who has made such claims before...

I am aware stories of Alien Abductions and many of the things that aductees claimed have happened to them...which I think were usually if they had been taken onto an ET Craft.. and usually placed on a sort of table and probed etc..

But Other than what I may have seen on some movies or the Programs like "X Files" that are Sci Fi.. I dont think that I have become aware of anyone claiming to be physically assauted by such entities...

Actually Astro, UFO literature is replete with horrific encounters.

You can start with -

Confrontations by Jacques Vallée

and

UFO's Are Evil by Brad Steiger

Thank you for for offering your reply Petrus,

I will not claim to fully understand all, but it does help on somethings.

Quote
You are more than welcome to question my sanity, astro.  I truthfully often do myself.

I did not intend to make you think , that I meant it quite like that !


It can no doubt be complex and touch on sensitive  or private areas.

For people who are unfortunate to have had some bad or disturbning experiences (or depending upon ones view) I can understand people taking drugs or things that help them cope with various situations in Life.. and to not have to face realities...Often I would not blame them..

its only the possible consequencies in other situations that a person maybe / or is often aware of that prevents more people from also considering taking drugs...to block out pains or probems etc in their lifes.... and no doubt in other cases.. the drugs also offer some good feelings...that many of would also enjoy..   For some of us we may well be missing out or Governements make out its not in our best interest to take them,and suggest they are bad for us,  when it actually may not be the case... as some banned drugs I am sure can benefit us...

The only main issues are is if taking them led to bad consequencies.. where we are just not aware of our actions..
such as driving driving under influence could be a real danger to ourseleves and others..

Some people go thru hell or things many of us could not deal with or easily face...so unless you have been in that persons shoes as they say , its not something to easily make any judgement..

For many people the older they get, hopefully the more that the become aware or understand things..

sometimes I have real problems judging what what maybe seen as the most simple things let alone the complex..
and we can all think or  be different in our views or thoughts from day to day..

I have somethings that I tink about everyday... that happened many years (over 20) ago...

and have had spells where i would not want to face situations or certain people...where as at one time... I was never like that....ands thats what is frustrating at times... that such fears can alter so many things in ones decesions in life..

sometimes I wonder is it just in ones mind or is it just things that we have experienced that make us avoid certain things and is it, likely to occur again or was it just a one off at the time where things badly effected us..

Ive seen Psychologist discuss things and show ways how one can alter their thought patterns... that can make them look at things differently..

one may wonder with enough of that type of guidence can we overcome our fears..much better..

or maybe somethings are just set in stone .. and we are best not trying to alter...and we should always avoid..
( I dont just mean avoiding things that physically may harm us)

Some other things can paralyse us almost into submission...
where its seems as if we just cannot react or oppose certain things..

I think in my initial questioning in relation to your suggestion of you relating to being abducted with Greys that you referred to ... is a case maybe of me being aware of some peoples claims that I have come across on ET related TV programs or on the internet etc...and what many of them what they claimed to had gone thru...and experienced...

but not actually knowing of some person directly.. who had made such claims...

and then being made aware of your claim as a forum member on PRC....

that I wanted to try to ask you about it and then try to compare what you said against what I thought that I had seen or learned from the other sources...or the other peoples claims who came out to tell the pubic about what they went thru in their abductions.

So I suppose thats why I questioned somethings about what you replied and I maybe tried to relate to some points that may seem to agree or question somethings that you had said if the comments did not seem to make sence or if I thought certain things may have effected your judgement.

When I become aware of certain things to do with the Paranormal... and then think of what I dont know about it..

it may become to indepth to try to conclude..

But I could only try to ask along the lines that I presently thought that I understood.

When we talk of Sanity, I am sure we all have some part of that ... that can be questioned..and even then it can often be down to opinions...

There is probably a lot more I could say or ask, but at the moment Im not sure, Im in the best mood to refer to It...

It would take some time to think about it..

There are some other points that I may try to later comment on..

   

QuotePetrus4

You are more than welcome to question my sanity, astro.  I truthfully often do myself.

What happened to me occurred repeatedly over a period of 20 years.  I don't smoke marijuana as a result of the abductions, though.  I smoke marijuana in order to deal with the fact that I live in a society that is primarily inhabited by people, who have mostly abandoned whatever semblance of positive ethics that our species had previously lived by, for at least the last 6,000 years.

I also smoke marijuana to deal with the fact that I am living in a place which is in direct violation of what I had previously thought was my destiny, and as a means of attempting to cope with the fact that said destiny will not be realised.

I am a person with a lot of problems.  I have diagnoses of both autism and post traumatic stress disorder, and although I haven't been given either, I'm fairly certain that I could be diagnosed as both narcissistic and schizotypal as well.  So am I an unreliable narrator?  Yep.  In spades.  I survive as best I can, and sometimes in the eyes of people who are able to have a more comfortable existence, "as best I can," can look all kinds of fragged up.  The one good thing it's done for me, is that at this point I know that no matter what is going on around me, the most effective thing I can do is just take a deep breath, maybe smoke a few more cones, and wait for it to pass.

Looking at it now, for me the abductions have really just been one more thing among many.   The Greys are merely one more set of predators to dodge, but the truth is that there are plenty of other predators down here on Earth as well.  So if you want to interpret said abductions as me having dreams about the other people who were chasing me at the time, that works fine, if it makes you feel better.

I'm a civilian.  I'm not a cop or a soldier.  I don't generally have to deal with violence these days; I stay as far away from that crap as I can, at this point.  Sometimes, though, staying away from violence means staying in my room.  Sometimes it means not going into town to buy food until the early evening in order to make sure that there are a minimal number of other people up there.  Kali is good to me, and what other people would interpret as schizophrenia, I interpret as her warnings.  I've often had people tell me about fights at the smoking tables just outside where I am typing these words, or in town, but I won't have been around because I was in my room at the time.

The first game they taught us to play at primary school was poison ball; and one way or another, it's really the only game I've ever played since.  So again; the Greys work just as well for me as metaphor, as they do as fact.  I initially doubted the reality of what I experienced myself; but what changed was when I read about Mindscan and the paralysis, and realised that I had experienced that more than once.

I will try to add this to my research list A51..

I am aware of some varied related stories...

but some may be hard to understand or  believe maybe..in how say ETs may have encountered people..when its not the usual type of known abductions that we usually see on the TV alien type of abducations that seem to take place on their Craft...

Thank you...

QuoteActually Astro, UFO literature is replete with horrific encounters.

You can start with -

Confrontations by Jacques Vallée

and

UFO's Are Evil by Brad Steiger

A quick reply, as I'm in the middle of dinner -

These entities are very vulgar creatures and equally sadistic.

Quote from: A51Watcher on September 05, 2017, 03:08:30 AM
Actually Astro, UFO literature is replete with horrific encounters.

You can start with -

Confrontations by Jacques Vallée

and

UFO's Are Evil by Brad Steiger

Oops! The Steiger book is titled - UFO's Are Hostile

Sorry I was tired when I posted that.

No need to be sorry... Thanks.

Quote
Oops! The Steiger book is titled - UFO's Are Hostile

Sorry I was tired when I posted that.

It would seem that we are widely powerless against whatever it is that abducts people or manipulates our world....

And yet we progress. I know it can be frustrating when you read the headlines but the fact is that the world mostly gets better and better - even ethically and socially. I can remember when it was a big deal when Kirk kissed Uhura - or when black people appeared in TV commercials. Now, if you've noticed, there are a wide number of TV commercials showing interracial couples hawking some product or service.

Our cultures seem afraid of offending anyone, no matter how ill advised their lives seem.  We have material prosperity like never before and crime rates are low (generally, Chicago not so much).  If absolute power corrupts absolutely, what do we say about our evident Overlords?  It seems that overall they are helping.  And that sounds like the nature of evolution itself - not compassionate but full of improvements.

Quote from: Eighthman on September 14, 2017, 02:57:18 PM
It would seem that we are widely powerless against whatever it is that abducts people or manipulates our world....

And yet we progress. I know it can be frustrating when you read the headlines but the fact is that the world mostly gets better and better - even ethically and socially. I can remember when it was a big deal when Kirk kissed Uhura - or when black people appeared in TV commercials. Now, if you've noticed, there are a wide number of TV commercials showing interracial couples hawking some product or service.

Our cultures seem afraid of offending anyone, no matter how ill advised their lives seem.  We have material prosperity like never before and crime rates are low (generally, Chicago not so much).  If absolute power corrupts absolutely, what do we say about our evident Overlords?  It seems that overall they are helping.  And that sounds like the nature of evolution itself - not compassionate but full of improvements.

I've been pretty busy in the last couple of days, so I haven't been here much, but I needed to address this post immediately, so here I am.

Crime has NOT dropped. Crime is worse than ever, especially violent crime.

Any changes you see in statistics that appear to reflect improvement are the result of changes in how crimes are defined and reported, and outright ONGOING MANIPULATION OF THE DATA.

Stop spreading disinformation.

Uh...  you need to provide proof for those crime assertions.  I can recall what Manhattan was like in the '70's compared to now and it's far better and I say that as someone who regularly walked long  distances across the Brooklyn bridge and thru the Village up to the Library at 42nd and 5th. 

Forensics are vastly better than ever with DNA analysis and video recordings all over the place.  Current increases in crime tend to be in few big cities rather than nationwide. The political street disturbances of today are as nothing compared to what happened thru the '60's.

They aren't aliens.  They are the Archons from the pleroma.  The pleroma is the timeless, infinite quantum realm that is THE energetic dimension of time.  They are not anchored in one moment of time like we are but instead can transverse space and time as simply as we walk across the room.  They are the architects of our entire universe, as we perceive it, and they are interested in us and our development and oversee the transmigration of the soul until the purpose of this existence has been accomplished.  It's no coincidence that this planet seems to be remarkably suited to US.  We are not their creations or lab animals.  We are their wards, children even and when our time as material beings is done, we return to the timeless, infinite realm that is the pleroma where we either return again or remain in the eternal illumination depending on the level of soul maturity.  At least that's what my drunken neighbor told me!  haha         

Its a bit weird in some ways the way I think about certain things...In terms of the USA...since the Slave trade... my impression was that started the USA to seem to be the main Contry to accepted Colored races...that have maybe evolved more greatly than anywhere else other than the original countries that the other races came from...In terms of the Darker black races.. the main country having been Africa.

So I think or guess that as time went on, no doubt there were race wars...but the Colored race came thru and grew especially after the Civil war in the 1860s..

where as in Most of Europe even thou they were the main part of creating the slave trade... they did not have many stay in the Country...

and I think it was well after WW2... that they started to increase gradually... and later there was an infux of Indian and pakistan & muslim races came to Europe.

But Id say for some years the population of them was only a small % until maybe the 1970s onwards that they gradually increased.

They started off in a relitively small area in the main city near me and for some years gradually spread out...but now many have intergated all over..

Then with the more recent Migrant / Imigration in the last 5 to 10 years... now I have no real idea how many % that there maybe.

What I do now is LONDON and some of the main cities when I have visited seemed flooded with them..along with many other nationalities..

and for my Generation...  Many went thru very bad times in the 1980;90s when there was mass unemployment.

and many people had no real security, and there have have had less children.

What they have now done IMO.. is replace what should have been a missing generation..

And also Now TV adverts and programs are being flooded with Colored people.

An area where I live.. used to have a school that was mainly for Blacks.. and that closed down as did two other Schools in the area.... What was Known as a Grammer School for the 25% who passed whats known as the 11 Plus..who claimed as more clever on average..

That school now is flooded with Muslims..

and the surrounding area housing ... has been taken taken over by many of them..

So many people got so stressed out during the 80s / 90s..

I dont think many took much notice what was going on in reality..and time passes so quickly.. that before you know it 10 to 15 yrs on and a part new generation replaces the older one.

But when i look on one Road where I knew several white people..some family friends of mine...

Now many of there familiys have disappeared...and there houses now House Muslim (Many large) familys..

Personally I find it very disturbing.

I did not class myself as a Racist some years prior, but there is a limit that I find acceptable..

What the true % of races are now in the area or within the Country in general I have no idea.

and as Irene points out.... The Govt make up figures in all sorts of ways..

God knows what next generation will have to deal with..
But Interracial relationships seem to be quite an in accepted thing. I could well imagine a 33 to 50 % mix in the next 10 to 20 yrs..

New gernations I am will accept it more as they have been brought up with it...

a Certain %...(Maybe 50% ) of Middle generations I believe do not like it..but its all become accepted..

and many who dont oppose it or have no real thoughts on it..maybe accept it especially if they work in certain areas and aid the economy of which no doubt many do.. and many are also wel educated...so much so in many cases that they are main Competition to the existing races in terms of some better  Jobs..of which there are many who are no doubt in some areas maybe cleverer than the origional race ..and therefore maybe well be taking many of the hiigher skilled or prof jobs..

then theres the other % that fill the labor type jobs.

and also many claiming on the benefit system.

THE MAIN BIG ISSUE for the Majority of the Existing Whites will be thinking of all their past generations that built up the Country and seeing that what they created is not being in best interest to their Children..

and other races have moved in and took avantage in many cases over their race who are left to compete more than ever when Jobs are less..

Many of these other races are as often younger , strong or even maybe stronger than their remaining original races..

So for some they are seen as a threat.

but they say its all down to Competition..

and that just seems ..Thats Life !

I have heard suggested thats part of a plan..

So did they want to reduce the white races..
or is it part of lower the population..in some ways..

With all the NEW Gender topics...
They are certainly making a lot of that to be become the norm.

Is there something really in it.

Is Alex Jones right that they had created such a thing..
or is it just imagination and mind control..or are we all mistaken...


Its hard to say about the true crime levels in the UK.

Im not sure about Violent crime..

but there were severe cuts in Police not so long ago..

then when we had the earling bombings this year.. we had what looked like Police like Soildiers on the streets..some looking like special forces with black masks over their faces.

But I was on the phone the other day to my bank and they put me thru severe security questions... I later got in conversation with th person and asked why he was asking me for so much info....

and his answer was Bank or credit fraud is rife, worse than ever..

I suspect that is likely true...

or it maybe that Govt have decidd to make things that way..

some people suggest in many things that they do it to waste our time...and to try to make out theres valid reasons to do things when in reality sometimes there is no valid reason.


BUT I agree with you about we still continue to progress...
and many things have improved in various ways..in technology for eg..

but the concerns are technology may replace us as Humans..

or cloning may now be more severe and even in human form..

it certainly is in animals..

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For me if what I have learned may be truth in certain topics in the Conspiracy world...

it is no dont quite draining mentaly when considering all the various things...

Sometimes you dont know if to believe certain things..but it can be concerning...and often ones mind may be filled with such thoughts it take one over..

I just hope that this is not the next thing soon to happen.

Swedish Gov. Announces Plan To Microchip Entire Population / Genders To Be Declared Illegal
Alex Jones breaks down how the Swedish government has announced its plan to microchip their entire population...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-emCBC_Axw&feature=share

Quote from: Eighthman on September 14, 2017, 02:57:18 PM
It would seem that we are widely powerless against whatever it is that abducts people or manipulates our world....

And yet we progress. I know it can be frustrating when you read the headlines but the fact is that the world mostly gets better and better - even ethically and socially. I can remember when it was a big deal when Kirk kissed Uhura - or when black people appeared in TV commercials. Now, if you've noticed, there are a wide number of TV commercials showing interracial couples hawking some product or service.

Our cultures seem afraid of offending anyone, no matter how ill advised their lives seem.  We have material prosperity like never before and crime rates are low (generally, Chicago not so much).  If absolute power corrupts absolutely, what do we say about our evident Overlords?  It seems that overall they are helping.  And that sounds like the nature of evolution itself - not compassionate but full of improvements.

Now we now why The Elites become Vampires...

If so Maybe one assumes..that it is it all to do with young blood elonging  and improving their lives..

Are they all from Valid transfusions or are they having some young people murdered or becoming draculas to obtain their blood ?  ???

QuoteSilicon Valley executives are getting $8,000 BLOOD transfusions from the young in an effort to turn the clock back on ageing

    Parabiosis involves the transfusion of blood plasma from a young donor
    Earlier studies have shown it to have anti-aging effects in animals
    The procedure can be performed on people over the age of 35
    It costs $8,000 (£6,180) for a two-litre transfusion from a 16-25 year old

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Astro

i hope you don't mind if i borrow your find for my BLOOD thread..
hugs

One of these days, someone is going to have a transfusion reaction and die.  Blood transfusions can be lifesaving when used appropriately, but getting younger blood in the hope of delaying the march of time across one's face, is a waste of resources.  Just my opinion.

Shasta

I try to keep up with the latest anti aging stuff - and the blood transfusion stuff doesn't seem "all that".

They should release details quite soon on rapamycin antiaging protocols - and the dasantib/quercetin senolytic combination therapy.  Either of these are very affordable and might be revolutionary. 

As for the afterlife,  if we're not recycled back to physical life on earth, what then?  Where we going otherwise, guys?  What are we being prepared for?  I figured maybe Greys send us back here because advanced aliens don't want us in their neighborhood (we bring down cosmic property values or are too selfish and violent, maybe)

Quote from: Eighthman on September 16, 2017, 01:06:00 AM
I try to keep up with the latest anti aging stuff - and the blood transfusion stuff doesn't seem "all that".

They should release details quite soon on rapamycin antiaging protocols - and the dasantib/quercetin senolytic combination therapy.  Either of these are very affordable and might be revolutionary. 

As for the afterlife,  if we're not recycled back to physical life on earth, what then?  Where we going otherwise, guys?  What are we being prepared for?  I figured maybe Greys send us back here because advanced aliens don't want us in their neighborhood (we bring down cosmic property values or are too selfish and violent, maybe)

We're nothing but f**king lab rats.

Quote from: Eighthman on September 16, 2017, 01:06:00 AM
As for the afterlife,  if we're not recycled back to physical life on earth, what then?

There are any number of different places that we can go.  Something I have to continually remind myself, is that with the Greys, as with everything else, awareness of sovereignty is paramount.  We ***are*** sovereign beings, and we ***do*** have the ability to decide what happens to us.

We ***are*** sovereign beings, and we ***do*** have the ability to decide what happens to us.


We ***are*** sovereign beings, and we ***do*** have the ability to decide what happens to us.


We ***are*** sovereign beings, and we ***do*** have the ability to decide what happens to us.



thank you ! pets r us..gold to you

we also have the power to make it happen..few remember but you are proof   ;D 

The Greys are no more in charge, overall, than we are.  I have been fighting the hostiles for many lifetimes.  Not all of those lifetimes have been as a human.  Other sentient species hahave visited and populated this third rock from the sun.  Some of us carry their DNA and racial memories, because not all of them made it home.

Shasta

Your Welcome to it Sky...

Good to know some of the post contained something of interest...

Your Blood Thread seems a better place for it !

and may contain relevant info somewhere (or in the future) that has a Holy Grail like solution ...

I will have to check up on it over time.

Quote from: space otter on September 15, 2017, 03:19:39 PM

Astro

i hope you don't mind if i borrow your find for my BLOOD thread..
hugs

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b]thank you ! pets r us..gold to you

we also have the power to make it happen..few remember but you are proof   ;D  [/b]

8)

The creators appear as large, luminous beings, like shards of light.  The greys are constructs, tools to interact with the material creation...and sometimes we are the greys...

Nice to see you post again Cosmo

Its sometime since I read your post topics. But they were often quite indepth if I recall on Gravity and quantum .

Is what you say on further recent research or material that you have been aware of for sometime..

Quote from: COSMO on September 16, 2017, 07:57:30 PM
The creators appear as large, luminous beings, like shards of light.  The greys are constructs, tools to interact with the material creation...and sometimes we are the greys...

Astro,
Why do you thing this program has apparently been going on for a long time?  Why do you think they have such an interest in our development?  Why is our planet uniquely fitted to us?  Why does our moon orbit the way it does and where did it come from? (the maintenance crew has an office on the moon)  Why do they not just come forward and let us know what is going on?  It's because we live in a creation that has been designed for us but it is not engineered in the sense that most think of.  The universe really exists in an energetic state that is not translated into material reality until the act of observation.  That is the foundation of quantum mechanics, the quantum wave signal, upon reception, collapses into a PREDETERMINED form. (Copenhagen interpretation) There is a template that exists beyond all individual humans that is controlling our experience.  That is why we all see a tree as a tree, water as water, etc.  The archons created it and maintain it.  Some have called them the clockwork elves but they are just the energetic beings that exist outside of time as we know it.  That explains why we experience this common, physical reality.  The reason we can't perceive this is because we are caught up in the physical universe always an instant removed from the act of creation.  Everything you can think, believe or remember is part of this "matrix" as is your physical body.  It has all been designed for us.  This is MAYA.  This is also the metaphor of the fallen angels.  WE are the fallen angels but that is not truly what is happening.  Man, in his limitations has not ascertained the full picture.  We ARE the archons.  WE are truly timeless beings that have chosen this material experience.  The Hindus say that we have chosen this life in order to learn it's lessons and to realize our eternal nature, our true nature.  That true nature is that we are luminous, timeless beings that experience this material reality, fixed in space time.  At some point we either return to this material realm or remain in the timeless, infinite illumination.  This is SAMSARA.  There is a way to experience the eternal illumination in this life time and that is meditation.  Practice pranayama, learn how to shut down the receiver of the quantum signal, separate yourself from the template and Brahman is revealed. 

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