This latest round of governmental shutdowns and furloughs appears to be highlighted by the utter moronic and childish behavior of the current batch of congressmen/women and senators stemming mainly from the debate/argument/pissing match over the mexican border wall
not to mention that they want to increase the number of immigrants and provide them with a damn sight more aid and benefits than are available to our own natural born citizens...
::) ::) ::)
I was asked last night why we aren't protesting, marching on washington, rioting in the streets, etc., and I have to ask myself why we aren't :o
I believe that all of congress should be fired and a new crop voted into office 8)
What say you, Pegasus?
Quote from: The Seeker on January 14, 2019, 08:13:03 PM
Quote from: The Seeker on January 14, 2019, 08:13:03 PM
This latest round of governmental shutdowns and furloughs appears to be highlighted by the utter moronic and childish behavior of the current batch of congressmen/women and senators stemming mainly from the debate/argument/pissing match over the mexican border wall
Wow....... This statement is very much the same as was made in an old and very valuable book many years ago. Now it has come true! :o A lot of statements
from this old book are proving to be accurate. Should make people think, but it doesn't seem too.
Anybody know what book that was?
WhatTheHey
An EPIC answer to this stupidity... Let's see how THIS plays out. ;D ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Hm8-OQSG18
They should do this for every globalist that thinks letting anyone and everyone into the country is necessary.
Quote from: The Seeker on January 14, 2019, 08:13:03 PM
I believe that all of congress should be fired and a new crop voted into office 8)
Is there a legal way of doing that?
QuoteWhat say you, Pegasus?
I don't have enough information to make any comments.
Quote from: The Seeker on January 14, 2019, 08:13:03 PM
I was asked last night why we aren't protesting, marching on washington, rioting in the streets, etc., and I have to ask myself why we aren't :o
When I first moved to the US in 1993... I was listening to the CB radio on the way to Salt Lake City...
The talk was about truckers heading to Washington to protest a 6 cent hike in fuel prices...!!!
I said to myself "YEAH!!! This is the right country!!!!"
But today I see that no one cares, no one gets up in arms about anything and the public generally has reached a state of total apathy...
I saw Nancy Pelosi (78) getting the hammer as Speaker of the House... she was fondling it and grinning ear to ear like the total batsheet crazy lunatic she is... and yet she still has that position...
78 years old and totally insane... but we cannot remove these psychopaths...
WHY do THEY get a paycheck when the Government is in shut down? WHO issues them the check? some poor minion forced to work WITHOUT PAY?
I would seriously consider returning to Canada, but it's not much better there at the moment and buying a house in any decent spot is so far out of reach it's not even an option...
These Kindergarten Politicians need to get tossed to the curb. Enough already... these olf fossils need to be replace ASAP before we find ourselves worse off than a third world country
Alreay 48% are on food stamps and other assistance Toys-R-Us. K-Mart, WalMart and now Sears are closing many stores so there go thousands of jobs.
The grocery stores are putting automatic tellers in with only one live person working... there go thousands of jobs...
The cost of housing has gone so high no single person on a regular job can afford even a small apartment...
If no one has full time work, there will be no money to spend so online sales will drop as well (as has already happened to us)
Etsy we used to sell average 1 item per day, now its lucky if we sell 1 per month. Ebay sales are down 64% according to their metrics on my account...
Cheap items with free shipping from China make it worse... especially when the US Post office actually helps them ship it free.... but dare be 1 ounce over weight on a local package and there is hell to pay
Well I have no where else to go... so we need to hang in there.... but America has become the land of the WUSS... where truth has no value and bullsheet sells...
Hmmm maybe it's time to create some good bullsheet and get rich...
If you can't beat them, join them :P
Quote from: ArMaP on January 14, 2019, 10:15:37 PM
Is there a legal way of doing that?
Yes the States CAN get together and remove the current government... BUT
1) it requires a lot of states to be together on this... and
2) it would mean absolute chaos during the transition
QuoteI don't have enough information to make any comments.
You have had your own problems in Portugal :D So you know better than all of us here what happens when a regime change takes place
Quote from: WhatTheHey on January 14, 2019, 09:59:36 PM
Anybody know what book that was?
Nineteen Eighty-FourQuoteShould make people think, but it doesn't seem too.
Nonconformity and Freethinking Now Considered Mental Illnesseshttps://theunboundedspirit.com/nonconformity-and-freethinking-now-considered-mental-illnesses/
Quote78 years old and totally insane... but we cannot remove these psychopaths...
Unreal. In Canada you retire at age 65 stupid politicians included.
I would move to Vancouver area but house prices are insane up there right now. I would however get my full Canadian pension and the US/Canadian dollar value would work in my favor but dang not sure I can do that
You guys think its bad over that side of the pond?
Try Brexit.. no joking. what a total cluster F this is... nobody from either side is happy with our dumbass politicians, and every hour of every day all we hear is.. Vote for Theresa Mays idea of a good deal.. OR Vote no deal.. no divorce bill... There isn't one person or authority that can predict what is going to happen either way.
If we had a 9.9 EQ hit the island right now, it could not be more fractured - the MP's are absolutely not fit for purpose.
The UK is toast.. no joking.. they are never going to have a solution, 74 and a bit days left ..
https://howmanydaystill.com/its/brexit-6
I have no words really - Good luck with your stuff over there. I hope they nail the Clintons and their bogus foundation.
Cheers,
Me.
R E V O L U T I O N!
Oh wait a minute.
Hey what's on Netflix tonight?
8)
We need to revert back to good old proven tried and true tactics; write your congressman/woman a letter expressing your displeasure in no uncertain terms, write the potus one, send them all emails,slam it all over farcebook, pick up the phone and call them damn politicians non-stop, bombard their dumbasses non-stop 24/7, people 8)
Seeker
Quote from: zorgon on January 14, 2019, 10:49:16 PM
I would move to Vancouver area but house prices are insane up there right now. I would however get my full Canadian pension and the US/Canadian dollar value would work in my favor but dang not sure I can do that
BC is one of the most expensive provinces you could pick for the housing market.
Quote from: The Seeker on January 14, 2019, 08:13:03 PM
This latest round of governmental shutdowns and furloughs appears to be highlighted by the utter moronic and childish behavior of the current batch of congressmen/women and senators stemming mainly from the debate/argument/pissing match over the mexican border wall
not to mention that they want to increase the number of immigrants and provide them with a damn sight more aid and benefits than are available to our own natural born citizens...
::) ::) ::)
I was asked last night why we aren't protesting, marching on washington, rioting in the streets, etc., and I have to ask myself why we aren't :o
I believe that all of congress should be fired and a new crop voted into office 8)
What say you, Pegasus?
Okay Seeker, I will get back with you with my ideas in the next couple of days. This is a subject I can bite down on...
Quote from: ArMaP on January 14, 2019, 10:15:37 PM
Is there a legal way of doing that?
Yes, it can be legally done, but it is a very involved process and during the reconstruction process total chaos would reign; the majority of the state governments would have to be in agreement, steps would have to be taken to remove the largest part of the federal bureaucracy, such as the IRS; the issue with that is the U.S. govt is the largest employer in the world...
Quote
I don't have enough information to make any comments.
If you can remember what your country and your people had to go thru when Portugal changed, Armap, you have more info than we do...
Seeker
What bugs me the most is that congress and senate seem to vote along party lines. Can they not think on their own and break away without consequences. They are supposed to be representing their particular constituents not their fearless leaders.
I agree cut off the representative's paycheck and then see how long it takes to get resolved.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaa4LB9iGpU
i didnt vote.after screwing ron paul.forget it.
its all a scam.
irs just paid out chump change to t party affiliates.
repukes kicked paulites out of new orleans convention also.
forget it.
its freemasons and religitards running this country.a sure sign the end is near.
they couldnt kill us so instead its gonna be an entire planet of third worlders.
Quote from: robomont on January 16, 2019, 02:41:04 AM
i didnt vote.after screwing ron paul.forget it.
its all a scam.
irs just paid out chump change to t party affiliates.
repukes kicked paulites out of new orleans convention also.
forget it.
its freemasons and religitards running this country.a sure sign the end is near.
they couldnt kill us so instead its gonna be an entire planet of third worlders.
Robo, that attitude you have is shared by too many people out there now; "I ain't gonna do nothing, it's all rigged, blah, blah, blah..."
Nothing changes unless it is made to change, one way, or another; no action begets no action so, unless you put forth the effort to make something happen,it ain't happening
::) ::) ::)
Seeker
Some people do not like social media. Most people do not like to take the time and do research. I didn't either at one point in my life. I was challenged by my father-in-law who would tell me things he knew from experience. This prompted me to start digging into many different subjects put out on mainstream media (I call it lamestream media). I was mortified to find things that were told to us as people which were not true. Remember, lies will always contain a grain of truth. You have to be careful not to get sucked into the lies that are transmitted by the media. You have to be careful not to go too far down the rabbit hole lest you get depressed.
Consider all the chaos going on all over the world right now. My opinion, it is all orchestrated by very powerful and rich people. Create confusion along with using deception, educate the younger generation to your ideas and within a couple of generations you will have changed the course of history and the future. Remember, history in the open is written by the victors.
I have taken on the task to inform, educate and advice whom I can by use of my personal contacts through the Internet and social media. I use a blog, I generate notes on Facebook, I find alternative news that I have (to the best of my ability) researched to see if they put out good information. There is actually a simple fact checking and truth checking formula to determine validity.
Here is a video that sums up mostly what I believe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRtEgdgj_XQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRtEgdgj_XQ)
Mass confusion and chaos is the order of the day. It began many years ago. Our current president here in the USA was elected by people who wanted change. The activities of the people in power using what is called "useful idiots" (people who are suckered into their system). The people in power gain much control as most of the people are suckered into a system that will eventually take down the last bastion of freedom, the USA.
Oh, by the way, Putin also stands against the global cabal. I don't like their form of government but he stands against these powerful globalists.
Three presidents have warned us all and we did not listen. Those videos are to come in my next entry.
Quote from: robomont on January 16, 2019, 02:41:04 AM
its freemasons and religitards running this country.a sure sign the end is near.
they couldnt kill us so instead its gonna be an entire planet of third worlders.
The FACT that despite all the election fraud, the fixed voting machines, signing up dead people and getting the illegals to vote that the Demonrats tried last election... still resulted in a LOSS for them... shows that what you say is not true.
Whether or not you like Trump is irrelevant... the FACT is that "we the people" spoke up and turned out in record numbers to get "anyone but Hillary" elected... and it worked
They dumped Bernie, they told Bernie to support Hillary in the same way that Hillary was told to step down and support Obama in 2008...
But they didn't count on the FACT that Bernie supporters were dead set against Hillary... and many of those voted against her. Bernie even said that if you ever hear him say to support another candidate, to NOT LISTEN TO HIM (and this is verified by a staunch liberal living in my house right now)
The lamestream media and the Demonrats claim that they won the POPULAR vote. Well all you have to do is look at the attendance of the rallies. Demonrat ones were mostly empty, they even photoshopped crowds into one that only had 24 people show up (Bill Clinton in Ohio) and Kane managed a show of 3 people in a Florida rally. Yet Trump's rallies were over flowing with thousands.
In Utah they didn't have enough ballots because they did not expect voter turnout but the voters did come out, lined up in the freezing cold for HOURS to get that ballot in...
So doing nothing is worse then voting even if its for "the lesser evil" At least you can then earn the right to bitch and whine :P
The FACT is that unprecedented voter turnout swayed the day... and I am sure even Trump was surprised he won
Very good, Mav, now let us hope some will pay attention and realize that it is up to us to continue to make changes; it is common knowledge that Saul Allinskis' manifesto has and is being used by the GC to further their agenda, Hillary wrote her college thesis on his work about "useful idiots",and unfortunately we do have quite a large number of them thanks to the leftist driven education system instilled since the 60's; but there is still hope, and I urge everyone to continue the effort to open both the minds and eyes of we the people to reality
8) 8) 8)
Quote from: The Seeker on January 17, 2019, 04:16:14 PM
Very good, Mav, now let us hope some will pay attention and realize that it is up to us to continue to make changes; it is common knowledge that Saul Allinskis' manifesto has and is being used by the GC to further their agenda, Hillary wrote her college thesis on his work about "useful idiots",and unfortunately we do have quite a large number of them thanks to the leftist driven education system instilled since the 60's; but there is still hope, and I urge everyone to continue the effort to open both the minds and eyes of we the people to reality
8) 8) 8)
We need to continue to inform and educate until the end of time. Maybe we can reach some in our spheres of influence. We can't change the world but we can inform and educate 1 person at a time. They will then spread the word.
I am far from a fan of the current president, however the election process did put him in power even if was by a "better than the other candidate" win.
I will give him credit though for following up on his campaign promises. He may not have been able to do everything, but he has tried to put forward bills to complete his ideas.
The biggest problem with this standoff, in my opinion, is that it all about ego now. Both sides want to say they won, meanwhile holding the country hostage. The 5.7 billion is chump change in the whole scheme of things. Just keep the printing presses going.
Mic, all I can say is that if she had won, I have serious doubts that we would be able to have this discourse; for most of what we know would have been reduced to radioactive ash by now, for both the USA and Russia...
It could be better, could have been a hell of a lot worse, so now is the time to spread the word and point out just how batshit crazy some of them are and lobby to send them packing
8)
Seeker
Quote from: spacemaverick on January 17, 2019, 05:29:22 PM
We need to continue to inform and educate until the end of time. Maybe we can reach some in our spheres of influence. We can't change the world but we can inform and educate 1 person at a time. They will then spread the word.
Agreed 8) The original school of learning was a log with a seeker of knowledge on one end and someone willing to share their knowledge on the other; it worked well way back then, and it still works well today
but we can't grow complacent, nor be lax in our efforts, for every mind that begins to consider the facts will also begin to doubt the false and misleading information being force fed to them, pausing to ponder and perhaps reconsider the path they had been following...
Seeker
Quote from: The Seeker on January 18, 2019, 01:26:21 AM
It could be better, could have been a hell of a lot worse, so now is the time to spread the word and point out just how batshit crazy some of them are and lobby to send them packing
I disagree.
I think we should present only facts, about every thing, and leave the conclusions about craziness (or whatever) to those we are presenting the facts to.
Facts yes, but without our own bias.
Quote from: ArMaP on January 18, 2019, 07:49:08 AM
Facts yes, but without our own bias.
Without bias we are merely bleating sheep :P
Quote from: zorgon on January 18, 2019, 12:38:19 PM
Without bias we are merely bleating sheep :P
From what I have seen many people today are sheep with a bias, just not their own bias but an "already made bias" someone presented them.
When we are explaining or teaching something to someone we should act as impartial as possible, so the people learning make their own mind based on the facts we show them. If we present the facts tainted with our own bias we are perpetuating the situation and doing what other people did to us.
Quote from: ArMaP on January 18, 2019, 07:49:08 AM
I disagree.
I think we should present only facts, about every thing, and leave the conclusions about craziness (or whatever) to those we are presenting the facts to.
Facts yes, but without our own bias.
I agree.
Quote from: ArMaP on January 18, 2019, 02:10:55 PM
From what I have seen many people today are sheep with a bias, just not their own bias but an "already made bias" someone presented them.
That is exactly the issue we are dealing with here, ArMaP ; since the 1960's (it started with Lyndon Johnson and his "great society" crap) the schools and universities here in the US have been deliberately pushing leftist liberal programming, creating a very heavily biased agenda from pre-school onward...
QuoteWhen we are explaining or teaching something to someone we should act as impartial as possible, so the people learning make their own mind based on the facts we show them.
All well and good, if the student is willing to cast aside the bias already instilled in them over 12-16 years of schooling and openly look at things with open eyes and see past the heavy layers of propaganda they are immersed in...
QuoteIf we present the facts tainted with our own bias we are perpetuating the situation and doing what other people did to us.
At times there is no other way except to push hard to get them to see that there is another side to the coin, that there are other issues to consider, and it is a matter of making a choice between the two, not blindly following the path that has been laid out before them,but to consider all the issues at hand, carefully examine the evidence, then choose...
you have to be a pain in the ass with some because that is the most direct route to their brain ::)
There are basically 3 types to deal with at this time; sheep, wolves, and shepherds, and a good shepherd tries to not only guide the herd but to care for them and protect them from harm
8)
Seeker
"There are basically 3 types to deal with at this time; sheep, wolves, and shepherds, and a good shepherd tries to not only guide the herd but to care for them and protect them from harm."
Seeker, I think your statement sums it up perfectly.
Quote from: The Seeker on January 18, 2019, 03:57:40 PM
That is exactly the issue we are dealing with here, ArMaP ; since the 1960's (it started with Lyndon Johnson and his "great society" crap) the schools and universities here in the US have been deliberately pushing leftist liberal programming, creating a very heavily biased agenda from pre-school onward...
Were you a student at the time?
QuoteAll well and good, if the student is willing to cast aside the bias already instilled in them over 12-16 years of schooling and openly look at things with open eyes and see past the heavy layers of propaganda they are immersed in...
Only people that want to learn are able to learn, we can see it even here on Pegasus.
QuoteAt times there is no other way except to push hard to get them to see that there is another side to the coin, that there are other issues to consider, and it is a matter of making a choice between the two, not blindly following the path that has been laid out before them,but to consider all the issues at hand, carefully examine the evidence, then choose...
You can do that with facts, you don't need to try to inject your own bias into it.
QuoteThere are basically 3 types to deal with at this time; sheep, wolves, and shepherds, and a good shepherd tries to not only guide the herd but to care for them and protect them from harm
Could you explain what you mean with those 3 types?
Quote from: ArMaP on January 18, 2019, 09:50:54 PM
Were you a student at the time?
Yes I was, ArMaP, but the area I grew up in was rural and had not been subjected to the LBJ changes yet; I didn't encounter the "new breed" of thought until I entered college
QuoteOnly people that want to learn are able to learn, we can see it even here on Pegasus.
Very true, no matter how much evidence is presented, unless you are willing to consider it, it won't matter to you...
QuoteYou can do that with facts, you don't need to try to inject your own bias into it.
I don't recall stating anything about bias, only that you have to try real hard to get them to even look at the facts...
QuoteCould you explain what you mean with those 3 types?
Sheep blindly follow someone else's lead; the wolves prey upon the sheep and subjugate them to their agenda; the shepherds are those few trying to open the eyes and minds of the sheep willing to consider other than what they have been fed over and over, stating facts and offering evidence...
8)
Seeker
Quote from: The Seeker on January 18, 2019, 10:30:32 PM
I don't recall stating anything about bias, only that you have to try real hard to get them to even look at the facts...
You did not, directly, but your reference to "another side to the coin" and "making a choice between the two" made me think that you were thinking about only two sides, the "student's" side and the "teacher's" side, with the implication of a bias opposite to that of the "student". I was thinking more about trying to show the "student" that there may be other possibilities and making them find them for themselves.
QuoteSheep blindly follow someone else's lead; the wolves prey upon the sheep and subjugate them to their agenda; the shepherds are those few trying to open the eyes and minds of the sheep willing to consider other than what they have been fed over and over, stating facts and offering evidence...
In reality, wolves and shepherd want the same thing, getting the sheep for their own needs. :)
:)......Gotta teach those sheep so they do better on there own. ;D
Quote from: zorgon on January 16, 2019, 11:35:50 PM
The FACT that despite all the election fraud, the fixed voting machines, signing up dead people and getting the illegals to vote that the Demonrats tried last election... still resulted in a LOSS for them... shows that what you say is not true.
Whether or not you like Trump is irrelevant... the FACT is that "we the people" spoke up and turned out in record numbers to get "anyone but Hillary" elected... and it worked
They dumped Bernie, they told Bernie to support Hillary in the same way that Hillary was told to step down and support Obama in 2008...
But they didn't count on the FACT that Bernie supporters were dead set against Hillary... and many of those voted against her. Bernie even said that if you ever hear him say to support another candidate, to NOT LISTEN TO HIM (and this is verified by a staunch liberal living in my house right now)
The lamestream media and the Demonrats claim that they won the POPULAR vote. Well all you have to do is look at the attendance of the rallies. Demonrat ones were mostly empty, they even photoshopped crowds into one that only had 24 people show up (Bill Clinton in Ohio) and Kane managed a show of 3 people in a Florida rally. Yet Trump's rallies were over flowing with thousands.
In Utah they didn't have enough ballots because they did not expect voter turnout but the voters did come out, lined up in the freezing cold for HOURS to get that ballot in...
So doing nothing is worse then voting even if its for "the lesser evil" At least you can then earn the right to bitch and whine :P
The FACT is that unprecedented voter turnout swayed the day... and I am sure even Trump was surprised he won
what so then i have my vote attached to failure,forget it.my county averages 3000 votes,we had 6800 turnout.thats fraud.the deck is stacked ahead of time,theres no winning at a rigged game.even law is rigged.its all a giant slave cult.no thanks.
Quote from: WhatTheHey on January 19, 2019, 12:28:16 AM
:)......Gotta teach those sheep so they do better on there own. ;D
exactly, and teach them they are capable of doing for themselves, on their own, and need to get off their butts and go do it instead of "being provided for."
::)
Seeker
Quote from: ArMaP on January 19, 2019, 12:09:29 AM
You did not, directly, but your reference to "another side to the coin" and "making a choice between the two" made me think that you were thinking about only two sides, the "student's" side and the "teacher's" side, with the implication of a bias opposite to that of the "student". I was thinking more about trying to show the "student" that there may be other possibilities and making them find them for themselves.
Same concept, except over here with the torrent of blarney from the MSM, the Gen X'ers, millenials, and snowflakes aren't even going to attempt to consider there are other choices, much less look for them, unless you slap them with a fish to get them motivated to begin with...
QuoteIn reality, wolves and shepherd want the same thing, getting the sheep for their own needs. :)
the difference is the wolves don't care if the herd survives or not, just kill and eat what they need; the shepherd will work to ensure the continuance of the herd, that they are cared for, protected, fed, and treated well
8)
Seeker
spacemaverick, this will shed a little more light on the "useful idiots"
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/normal_useful_idiots.jpg)
@Seeker, can you please ping me the article you have highlighted above sometime please bud?
QuoteThere are basically 3 types to deal with at this time; sheep, wolves, and shepherds, and a good shepherd tries to not only guide the herd but to care for them and protect them from harm
I think I posted 'somewhere' the Laws of Sheep :P
MOST people are SHEEPIt is a true, undeniable and provable FACT that Humans are a herd animal and instinctively have a need to follow a leader... You can deny it all you like but it is true. Religion knows this well "The Lord is THY Shepherd, thou shall not want..." and they have been maintaining their flocks of loyal Sheep since Jesus was called the lamb
Take away the Government and the vast majority will soon turn to look for another leader. be it a religion, or a cult, or the local gang.
All you need is a smooth talker and you can collect a herd of Sheep in no time...
So the problem is not with the Sheep... but with BAD SHEPHERDS. get rid of the bad shepherds and put in some good ones that actually care about their Sheep and don't just want to FLEECE them so they can make a new coat or have the occasional leg of Mutton.
If you want to be a GOOD Shepherd you most certainly need to include bias in your presentation... The Sheep need direction in a positive way... because the nature of Sheep is to be lazy and if left to their own devices they will mostly choose the wrong path that leads to the easier Dark Side.
If you try to educate the sheep and "open their minds" or 'wake them up" as I hear used so (usually by someone who really doesn't have a clue themselves :P) all you will do is create chaos and have a whole bunch of Sheep running around lost and confused (what I see happening today)
The Sheep NEED a Shepherd so focus on getting good shepherds in place.
There are also the DOGSDo not forget the DOGS. They nip at the feet of the Sheep and bark orders... These are the Police that keep "order" and make sure the Sheep don't run around wild. These are the people that keep the Sheep in line, don't let them wander off. Most Dogs are not very nice and you get the TSA and DHS mentality that is convinced THEIR WAY is the only way and you better OBEY or face the consequences...
Ever wonder why the Military uses DOG TAGS to ID their troops? :P
Then there are the WOLVESThese are the people that have learned that most people ARE Sheep and are easily manipulated... And they use this knowledge for their own gain. They don't care about the Sheep. These are the Money Lenders and the Ad Agencies praying on the weak minds of the Sheep
Then there are the RamsTheir only purpose in life is to screw all the Sheep :P
and finally, there are the BLACK SHEEPThese are the few that have 'awoken' and figured it all out, and refuse to move with the pack...
::)
So the QUESTION is...
Which category do YOU fit into? :P
I think the wall is stupid, personally. Not because I disagree with controlling immigration, but because in an age when we have both planes, and ships to the extent that we do, a purely land-based barrier is going to be extremely ineffective.
I've also definitively realised that I don't like Trump. He may or may not be good for the country, in terms of what he is doing on a practical level; but he is also a barbaric, arrogant Godfather who thinks that he should be able to unquestioningly rule the planet, purely because of who he is. He has the type of personality that is reflexively going to cause a lot of people to want to resist him, if for no other reason than to attempt to give him an object lesson in humility. I know the Democrats are determined to resist him at every point because he isn't one of their own, but his own personality doesn't help.
I'm sick of both the Left and the Right doing stupid things which aren't going to accomplish anything other than make the other side hate them more, lately. The recent Gillette ad is a good example; it was pointless, condescending baiting of conservatives that predictably wasn't going to do anything other than generate noise.
Contemporary feminists are apparently so completely consumed with hate and self-righteousness that they've abandoned any semblance of tactical subtlety or good sense. A basic principle is to avoid taking actions which give your enemy further cause to believe that their existing ideology is justified; and with the Gillette ad, that's exactly what these feminists have done. Men who were previously moderate have now become polarised.
Both sides need to get rid of the idea that their own supposed moral superiority entitles them to just blindly tell the other side what to do, without any need for empathy or diplomacy whatsoever. We need to get rid of the idea that someone has horns and a tail purely because they don't think in exactly the same way we do.
Whatever happened to actual statecraft? What happened to the idea that someone is not automatically a monster simply because their background is different? When did we accept the idea that compassion supposedly requires the dehumanisation of people who do not hold our own values?
To me, the most valuable thing about people like Gandhi, was not necessarily his pacifism in and of itself, as much as the idea that he was aware that expressing compassion himself, was not dependent on the way anyone else behaved. He had good intentions towards others, because he had made a choice to do so, regardless of how said others themselves behaved.
For the most part, as a society, we've lost that idea.
Quote from: WhatTheHey on January 19, 2019, 12:28:16 AM
:)......Gotta teach those sheep so they do better on there own. ;D
Sheep get safety from numbers, so they prefer to have one of them showing them where to go and join in groups that follow a specific leader, either chosen by them or that just presented themselves as such.
Modern human societies do the same, either with elections to choose who they will follow or with someone (or some group) presenting themselves as leaders and forcing their ideas onto society.
Quote from: The Seeker on January 19, 2019, 03:11:04 AM
the difference is the wolves don't care if the herd survives or not, just kill and eat what they need; the shepherd will work to ensure the continuance of the herd, that they are cared for, protected, fed, and treated well
But the sheep's destiny is the same, the difference being that the wolves act to get what they want at the time, while shepherds act thinking about the future. With a shepherd the sheep may have a better life, but their end is the same.
@Petrus...
Well said. I am in agreement with your post.
The world is so full of hate right now.
Quote from: The Seeker on January 19, 2019, 03:03:22 AM
exactly, and teach them they are capable of doing for themselves, on their own, and need to get off their butts and go do it instead of "being provided for."
::)
Seeker
Its good to eyes that see and ears that hear. ;)
If we can teach this very thing to the sheep, then they can lead them selves. If you can see clearly, hear clearly and there in understand
what's confronting you, its much more apparent as to what steps to take for your own best interest. Even for those loved ones and any others about you too.
If we were to all do this it would be a better world! 8)
Quote from: WhatTheHey on January 19, 2019, 05:52:25 PM
Its good to eyes that see and ears that hear. ;)
If we can teach this very thing to the sheep, then they can lead them selves. If you can see clearly, hear clearly and there in understand
what's confronting you, its much more apparent as to what steps to take for your own best interest. Even for those loved ones and any others about you too.
If we were to all do this it would be a better world! 8)
There will always be sheep, there will always be wolves and there will always by shepherds.
Quote from: The Seeker on January 19, 2019, 03:28:45 AM
spacemaverick, this will shed a little more light on the "useful idiots"
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/normal_useful_idiots.jpg)
If true.
How can we know if what is written in that image is really related to what Allinsky wrote? I found an online version of "Rules for Radicals" and I can't see any thing like that in the book.
Quote from: ArMaP on January 19, 2019, 09:28:25 PM
If true.
How can we know if what is written in that image is really related to what Allinsky wrote? I found an online version of "Rules for Radicals" and I can't see any thing like that in the book.
Look at near the last part and you will find that most of what Alinsky was talking about was taken from the plan of Lenin.
Also you will find the outline from a defected KGB official many years ago by the name of Yuri Bemenov.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSz_nks0Yuk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSz_nks0Yuk)
Above link is the full lecture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4kHiUAjTvQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4kHiUAjTvQ)
Above link is about Useful Idiots
Quote from: zorgon on January 19, 2019, 07:09:52 AM
If you try to educate the sheep and "open their minds" or 'wake them up" as I hear used so (usually by someone who really doesn't have a clue themselves :P) all you will do is create chaos and have a whole bunch of Sheep running around lost and confused (what I see happening today)
We should never try to educate those that do not want to be educated, it's better to present them all the information we have and let them choose what to do with it.
Quote from: spacemaverick on January 19, 2019, 09:45:49 PM
Look at near the last part and you will find that most of what Alinsky was talking about was taken from the plan of Lenin.
No, what I see is that some guy wrote that, it doesn't mean it's true.
PS: I don't waste my time with videos.
Quote from: ArMaP on January 19, 2019, 10:13:51 PM
We should never try to educate those that do not want to be educated, it's better to present them all the information we have and let them choose what to do with it.
THAT my friend is why the world is in such a mess
The problem with letting them choose what to do with it is that most people will only pick bits and pieces that they want to believe and ignore the rest.
So when that happens you get millions of people with a million different versions of reality... in other words CHAOS.
And the internet has allowed this to spread like a cancer. The Village idiot now has a voice around the world and can spread their version of truth and shout down reality by shear force of numbers... The flat earth movement is a prime example. They will ignore any real facts and evidence but will listen to anyone telling them what they want to hear. Science is irrelevant to them.
What determines what a person chooses to listen to?
I have a tenant, a nice girl but borders on what we call "Snowflake" She has listened to people so she eats Himalayan Pink Salt Now that salt is not from the Himalayas but rather a dirty mine in Pakistan and the "Pink" is impurities of iron oxide and manganese. Also contains radioactive particles and NO Iodine. German has banned it for human consumption... it was originally sold as bath salts, for which it is fine
But the New Age groups have 'taught' that this is really good for you. It's not and if you don't get iodine you will really be in trouble... but people left to their own devices will PICK AND CHOOSE what they believe... and for some reason they will believe the charlatans over the scientist...
So I have done as you suggested SHOWED HER THE FACTS... her father has done the same...
but she listens to her friends and as a result ...eats that dirty pink salt
Well fortunately for her :P The "Pink Salt" allowed to be sold for food consumption in the US is actually normal table salt with pink food dye :P But the POINT is you cannot just in good conscience, leave people to decide for themselves. This is why we have laws and government in the first place... and it's a GOOD thing, until the Shepherds get greedy and out of control
So on this point I disagree with you. I will do what ever I can to educate, with bias if need need be.
I Do agree with you that you cannot make them learn unless they want to... but I bet if you stuck that horses head underwater he will eventually have to take a drink :P
Quote from: ArMaP on January 19, 2019, 10:15:03 PM
No, what I see is that some guy wrote that, it doesn't mean it's true.
PS: I don't waste my time with videos.
Trying to help clarify and I will not bother to answer you anymore.
I love video's Spacemaverick :) :D as well as other media 8)
Quote from: zorgon on January 19, 2019, 11:07:46 PM
So on this point I disagree with you. I will do what ever I can to educate, with bias if need need be.
I understand your point of view, but I think that, at least, when we use our own bias we should warn people that this is our own interpretation of the facts and not the facts themselves, and they can agree or disagree with our interpretation.
Quote from: spacemaverick on January 20, 2019, 12:33:50 AM
Trying to help clarify and I will not bother to answer you anymore.
Sorry for my rude answer, but at the end of a working day (that should have been a rest day) at the end of a long week my patience was at a minimum, and when I saw an almost 3 hours video my first thought was what I wrote, against what I usually do.
If you haven't noticed before I can tell you I think most videos are a waste of time, as the information they convey can (usually) be transmitted in a much faster way in written form, that also allows me to go back and forth with ease. Also, as English is not my first language I have some difficulty, sometimes, understanding what is said in videos, while I do not have any problem with reading English.
Also, my post was not about the "useful idiots", but about the veracity of the information presented in the image posted by
The Seeker, as I have seen that information being presented as a fact but I haven't seen any confirmation of it being true, so we may be looking at another case of false information being seen and accepted because of personal bias.
Sorry again. :-[
Quote from: zorgon on January 19, 2019, 11:07:46 PM
Now that salt is not from the Himalayas but rather a dirty mine in Pakistan and the "Pink" is impurities of iron oxide and manganese.
Manganese is beneficial in trace amounts, but it is uncomfortably easy to reach toxicity, if memory serves. According to Wikipedia the RDI is less than 2.5 miligrams a day, which sounds about right. The symptoms of toxicity are also rather nasty, by the looks. Rust (iron oxide) also isn't something I recommend ingesting in abundance, either; various forms of infection can travel with it.
At one point I was tempted by the rock salt scam, but fortunately I did some research, and found out about that mine you mention, Zorgon. I think there possibly are some nice brands of niche or artisan rock salt going around, but given the New Age tendency to adopt obscure and seemingly healthy foods as status symbols, it definitely pays to do your homework on anything, before you buy it. The "superfood" craze is a genuine cultural pestilence, as far as I am concerned; because it drives up the prices of various things which I might want to buy (such as organic cacao, for instance) purely for the sake of my genuine health, and not because I care about other people thinking I'm awesome due to eating it.
Quotebut she listens to her friends and as a result ...eats that dirty pink salt
As I said, things like that are only ever about what your social in-group thinks. Probably the only reason why she does it, is because she wants said stupid friends to think well of her, and they have likely made that salt a criterion of their acceptance of her.
QuoteBut the POINT is you cannot just in good conscience, leave people to decide for themselves.
Yes, except occasionally there are those few of us who want to decide for ourselves, and DO have the sense to do so; although fortunately there are always the woods, I suppose. :P
Quote from: spacemaverick on January 19, 2019, 09:12:55 PM
There will always be sheep, there will always be wolves and there will always by shepherds.
Yes it seems that will be the case! As long as sheep are unable to make choices using the best and most beneficial aspects of there minds.
And that's the rub......education and the practice of accurate observation is the only feasible method for any choice to be made correctly.
No matter whether your
a sheep or a Shepard. It has always been the wolves that seek to abuse the lives of others for there own benefit! And in doing so cause them selves much stress and paranoia. You know
even sheep get angry when they have had enough........lol ;D And there are always more sheep then wolves! ;) Its happened many times over just this way
throughout history.
Leave us all to hope some day it can end. :)
WhatTheHey
Quote from: ArMaP on January 20, 2019, 12:02:12 PM
I understand your point of view, but I think that, at least, when we use our own bias we should warn people that this is our own interpretation of the facts and not the facts themselves, and they can agree or disagree with our interpretation.
That would be true IF it was only personal opinion... but when you back up that opinion with many documents from official sources... then you have stronger legs to stand on.
What really bothers me the most is that when you have absolute proof of a fact, they not only don't want to hear it, they won't even look at the documentation...
Those are what I call the Village Idiots :P
Quote from: WhatTheHey on January 20, 2019, 06:33:31 PM
Leave us all to hope some day it can end. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY5MmhLQBng
Give the SHEEP freedom to do as they will... and they will do THIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08KZugZx5o8
Proof in point... Ask any of them what they are protesting and most have no clue, they just following the herd
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/media/images/64395000/jpg/_64395304_anonymous_demo_afp464x261.jpg)
;D Oh holy SHEEP! ..........that was SHEAR madness at its FLOCKING best.
Good one Zorg.
WhatTheHey 8)
Here are the 3 videos from Presidents Eisenhower.Kennedy, and Reagan that attempt to warn the American people...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg-jvHynP9Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg-jvHynP9Y) Eisenhower's warning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YafZkjiMpjU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YafZkjiMpjU) Kennedy's speech.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vlZnMi-rvk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vlZnMi-rvk) Reagan speech.
Unfortunately, not enough people paid attention ::)
Quote from: zorgon on January 21, 2019, 11:36:40 PM
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/media/images/64395000/jpg/_64395304_anonymous_demo_afp464x261.jpg)
I wore the mask once during Project Chanology; the anti-Scientology action. It was an empowering experience; but the psychopaths always adapt to any attempt at resisting them, once they grow accustomed to it. Wearing the mask is a crime, now.
Did anyone actually watch the videos I posted earlier? ::) Probably not, but I would like to point out what President Reagan said " We the people...tell the government what they can and cannot do... the government is the vehicle, we the people are the driver..."
https://youtu.be/HCqR0_a6_so
It's time to tell all those elected officials again that it is we the people, not them...
8)
Seeker
Quote" We the people...tell the government what they can and cannot do... the government is the vehicle, we the people are the driver..."
Yeah it's a lot like driving alright...straight off a cliff while the vehicle has the doors locked and on autopilot.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/321578869414-0-1/s-l1000.jpg)
You can get on the ride but the ride never ends and there is no steering or brakes. :P
Quote from: The Seeker on January 28, 2019, 08:45:37 PM
It's time to tell all those elected officials again that it is we the people, not them...
The problem is that they cannot hear you... there is no one home
Just look at this picture of pelosi with the hammer...
Nothing else matters except her Kindergarten toy
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/01/04/06/8100350-6556175-Pelosi_holds_up_the_speaker_s_gavel_the_symbol_of_her_return_to_-a-43_1546583531863.jpg)
How we got to a point like this where the insane can do what they want is beyond me...
I suspect it is mainly because no one really cares beyond whining about it on forums and facebook
Quote from: zorgon on January 29, 2019, 04:46:49 AM
The problem is that they cannot hear you... there is no one home
Just look at this picture of pelosi with the hammer...
Nothing else matters except her Kindergarten toy
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/01/04/06/8100350-6556175-Pelosi_holds_up_the_speaker_s_gavel_the_symbol_of_her_return_to_-a-43_1546583531863.jpg)
How we got to a point like this where the insane can do what they want is beyond me...
I suspect it is mainly because no one really cares beyond whining about it on forums and facebook
I don't even think the American sheep care anymore, but that's just my opinion. People outside the forums and FB are afraid to say anything.
Clint Eastwood sums it up 8)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/normal_28168575_961792843997259_6138145397527121740_n.jpg)
The sheeple need to grow a set and start acting like they have 'em...
::) ::)
Quote from: zorgon on January 29, 2019, 04:46:49 AM
The problem is that they cannot hear you... there is no one home
Just look at this picture of pelosi with the hammer...
Nothing else matters except her Kindergarten toy
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/01/04/06/8100350-6556175-Pelosi_holds_up_the_speaker_s_gavel_the_symbol_of_her_return_to_-a-43_1546583531863.jpg)
How we got to a point like this where the insane can do what they want is beyond me...
I suspect it is mainly because no one really cares beyond whining about it on forums and facebook
Someone needs to smack her over the head with it and then shove it up her...
::)
Quote from: The Seeker on January 29, 2019, 11:56:23 AM
Clint Eastwood sums it up 8)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10004/normal_28168575_961792843997259_6138145397527121740_n.jpg)
I can acknowledge that I am an oversensitive pussy, but that does not necessarily stop me from being one.
I don't know what went wrong with my generation, or the one immediately after us. In my case it wasn't due to not receiving corporal punishment. I didn't get much, but I did get some, although I resented it, because I never believed that my father had sufficient integrity of his own to justify him hitting me. In some ways my own childhood had less hardship than others, but in some ways considerably more; losing a kidney at 13 is not a universal rite of passage. That pain did not make me tough; it made me determined to do whatever I could to avoid any more of it. PTSD from my experience with the education system did not fortify me, either; again, I reacted by becoming completely avoidant.
In my case it also wasn't due to getting trophies for participation. I never had those. I failed at school and my reports reflected that.
To the extent that I am weak or a coward, it is primarily in the sense that I am tired of the world and other people; I don't want to really do anything in it or have anything to do with it, and in offline terms at least, the only thing I really want is for the rest of the species to leave me alone. I don't want to be a physically awkward, autistic freak who women are afraid of and repulsed by, any more; and whose only reward for falling in love is pain, because nobody wants Quasimodo.
I've largely stopped viewing life as anything other than a chore and a punishment, even though I don't work and my existence would likely be considered idyllic by most people's standards. I don't necessarily see myself as being less of a prisoner than anyone else though, just because my cage happens to have a couple of extra pillows in it.
This entire planet is a jail. No one here is free; there are only relative levels of confinement.