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is there more going on thatn normal do you guys think?


Nicaragua volcano belches ash cloud, residents evacuated
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/08/13750924-nicaragua-volcano-belches-ash-cloud-residents-evacuated?lite


China Earthquakes 2012: Death Toll Rises
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/08/china-earthquakes-2012_n_1866878.html

Experts: Calif. quakes not related to Costa Rica
http://news.yahoo.com/experts-calif-quakes-not-related-costa-rica-144336408.html

Mw6.8 earthquake hits Jan Mayen in the Arctic with some damage
http://earthquake-report.com/2012/08/30/mw6-6-earthquake-hits-jan-mayen-in-the-arctic-with-some-damage/

http://earthquake-report.com/

the heat and drought and the floods

seems like more than ususal to me

Is it more weather or better and instant reporting?

I never heard of the China problems, it is funny I have to learn about it here and not here.

Our general weather has been the same this year. Overall I see no major changes. Still hot and humid. Still in typhoon season.
Still raining every morning for a hour. The only thing noticable in the sky that has changed is the airport traffic. For some reason they changed flight paths and we are now buzzed day and night with low flying commercial jets. For 10 years I never even saw a jet in the sky, now they are out there in the hundreds a month. No spraying that I can see, just landing. The landing field is about 100 miles away. So we are now on an approach vector. They used to fly up the river, now they go over land, which means over head. Yesterday I saw 2 come in side by side. maybe 1,000 feet apart or less. Looked like they were drag racing.

Sky I am looking forward to the cold weather. If you have some, send it down.  Deuem

 ;D

ah Deuem
if i could sent you some cool i would.. friady night thur sat we finally got some rain and the temps dropped into the mid 60's F...it's a good thing..lol
i've never understood desert dwellers..give me the mountains and trees.. ;D

hey
i thought of you when i read this a minute ago..


By NBC News
The landing gear door of a Boeing 767 fell from the sky and narrowly missed a car parked a couple of feet away in Kent, Wash., NBC station KING 5 of Seattle reported.


Roughly the size of a refrigerator door, the Boeing part is made of carbon fiber, Federal Aviation Administration officials told KING. Bits of carbon fiber remained embedded deep in the pavement of Southeast 231st Way, about 15 miles east of Seattle, after FAA officials toted the part away as part of an investigation, KING reported.

Neighbors rushed outside Friday as soon as they heard it hit the ground.


Witnesses told The Associated Press the panel hit the ground and skipped about 30 feet before stopping in a street Friday morning. Several pieces broke off.

Leah Dermody, who photographed the door, told KING that some of her neighbors claimed to have heard a plane pass very low over the neighborhood just before the part dropped.

Residents said the fact no one was hit is pure luck.

Neighbor John Hansen told KING he would hold on to a piece of the plane.

"A souvenir.  Keep it and see how lucky I was," he said. "It's gotta be a one in a million shot."


http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/08/13752726-boeing-767s-landing-gear-door-falls-into-neighborhood-near-seattle?lite

I think the weather is crazier and I think we hear nore about it.   I think the Elements are not pleased with many of our actions.
We are in the flight path for Buckley.  Something large goes over my house most nights around ten.  The fighters practice maneuvers freqhently, and there's no shortage of chi.ooks a.d blackhawks.  When the transport planes are low, in their final approach, they look likd they're just suspended in the sky.

Shata

the artic .. a key to tomorrow's weather



Record loss of Arctic ice may trigger extreme weather

Icebergs float in a bay off Ammassalik Island, Greenland. Ice melt could result in extreme weather this winter in North America and Europe, according to climate scientists. (John McConnico / Associated Press)



By Monte Morin

September 13, 2012, 7:00 a.m.
Arctic sea ice is shrinking at a rate much faster than scientists ever predicted and its collapse, due to global warming, may well cause extreme weather this winter in North America and Europe, according to climate scientists.

Last month, researchers announced that Arctic sea ice had dwindled to the smallest size ever observed by man, covering almost half the area it did 30 years ago, when satellites and submarines first began measuring it.

While the loss of summer sea ice is likely to open up new shipping lanes and may connect the West Coast of the United States to the Far East via a trans-polar route, researchers say it will also affect weather patterns and Arctic wildlife.

"It's probably going to be a very interesting winter," climate scientist Jennifer Francis said Wednesday in a teleconference with reporters. Francis, a researcher at the Institute of Marine and Coastal Sciences at Rutgers University, has argued that shrinking Arctic ice can be tied to such recent weather events as prolonged cold spells in Europe, heavy snows in the Northeastern U.S. and Alaska, and heat waves in Russia.

Decades ago, Arctic ice covered about 6 million square miles of sea in the winter, and would shrink to about 3 million square miles in the summer. The rate of summer melt increased enormously around 2005, however, and today scientists say Arctic ice covers about 1 million square miles.

"This is a very small amount of ice indeed," said Peter Wadhams, an ocean physics professor at the University of Cambridge. Wadhams said that while Arctic ice used to build up over many years, new ice formations are now breaking up and melting each summer.

"I think that what we can expect in the next few years is further collapse leading to an ice-free Arctic in summer," Wadhams said. "It really is a dramatic change."

Previously, scientists had predicted that it would take 30 or 40 more years before the Arctic was ice-free in the summer.

The loss of Arctic ice has several effects. Ice reflects heat and solar energy back into space. With less ice cover, that heat energy is instead absorbed by the ocean, which warms and melts more ice. Currently, the Arctic region is the fastest-warming region on the planet, and the change in temperature will probably influence weather patterns here and in Europe, according to Francis.

The heating and cooling of Arctic seawater has been affecting the jet stream -- the river of air that flows from west to east high above the Earth's surface -- and has slowed it down, Francis said. The jet stream controls the formation and movement of storm systems, so when its movement slows, weather conditions persist for longer periods of time over the same area. They get "stuck."

"If you're in a nice dry pattern with sunny skies, it's great if it lasts for a few days. But If it lasts for a few weeks, well then you're starting to talk about a drought," Francis said. "If you have a rainy pattern and it hangs around for a long time, then that becomes a situation that could lead to flooding."

Arctic warming will influence weather to the south during the late fall and winter. While Francis said it would probably result in severe weather this winter, it was impossible to predict when and where those events would occur.

Record ice melts this year and in 2007 have alarmed many scientists, mostly because they thought it would take many more years to reach this state.

James Overland, an oceanographer with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, said forecasts failed to account for the physics of lost solar energy reflection and warming ocean water.

"These are really surprises to most scientists," Overland said. "In looking at climate models that are used to look forward, they've tended to say the Arctic may be ice-free by 2040 or 2050. It looks like things are happening a lot faster, and it's because not all of the physics that we're seeing today were well-handled in these climate models."

Overland, who is also an associate professor at the University of Washington's Department of Atmospheric Sciences, said these effects are known as "Arctic amplification" and would carry heavy consequences for wildlife like polar bears and walruses by reducing their habitat.

Wednesday's telephone news conference was hosted by Climate Nexus, a New York-based nonprofit that seeks to publicize the effects of climate change. [/color]

http://www.latimes.com/news/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-arctic-ice-melt-20120912,0,5522231.story?track=rss

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and as the water rises..

Race to save Alaskan Arctic archaeology
By Nick Crumpton
BBC News, Aberdeen
7 September 2012 Last updated at 12:56 ET

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The coastline is now subject to greater rates of erosion


A recently discovered 500-year-old Alaskan settlement is rapidly disappearing into the Bering Sea.

The exquisitely preserved frozen site provides a spectacular insight into the Yup'ik Eskimo culture.

Researchers from the University of Aberdeen are using isotope analyses on recovered Eskimo hair to investigate how humans adapted to rapid climate change in the Arctic village.

The research was discussed at the British Science Festival.

The Yup'ik culture was one of the last contacted Eskimo societies, but prevailed over an area three times the size of Scotland.

Although very little had been known about the archaeology of their society, a team from the University of Aberdeen was brought in to help rescue thousands of artifacts that were being eroded out of the ground near the modern village of Quinhagak.

The research was discussed at the British Science Festival.

The Yup'ik culture was one of the last contacted Eskimo societies, but prevailed over an area three times the size of Scotland.

Although very little had been known about the archaeology of their society, a team from the University of Aberdeen was brought in to help rescue thousands of artifacts that were being eroded out of the ground near the modern village of Quinhagak.

"Storm periods are now lasting weeks longer because of the lack of ice cover"
Dr Rick Knecht

University of Aberdeen
"It's probably the most spectacularly well preserved and valuable site in terms of information content I've ever seen", Dr Rick Knecht, of the University of Aberdeen, said.

"In the first couple of years we found about 7,000 pieces, including items like ivory, woven grass, incredibly well preserved animal remains, animal fur and even human hair."

But the means by which the bounty of discoveries has been released from the soil is also the reason why the site is being eradicated.

"It's preserved by permafrost, and the permafrost is melting due to climate change. As it melts, it exposes the very soft soil to marine erosion: the shoreline retreats and the sites get damaged," explained Dr Knecht, who has been working in Alaska for more than 30 years.

"This year, we were shocked by the amount of destruction. There were artifacts as big as tables thrown up on the bank by a single storm on a high tide.

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Already thousands of artefacts have been unearthed

"These storm periods are now lasting weeks longer because of the lack of ice cover. The sea ice cover is at a record low right now and continuing to drop, and every time that happens the site is at more at risk," the researcher told the BBC.

Clues from climates past

Ironically, the artifacts released by the effects of sea ice reduction may help the scientists better understand how the Yup'ik people adapted to a rapidly changing climate.

The site, known as Nunalleq, was inhabited from around AD 1350 to AD 1650, during which time the area suffered through "The Little Ice Age".

By analyzing extremely well preserved hair found at the site, the team hopes to understand how the people of Nunalleq altered their behaviour with a changing environment.

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"Chemical signatures, the isotopes in your food, become present in your hair. You are what you eat," explained Dr Kate Britton, also of the University of Aberdeen.

"By analysing strands of the hair of multiple individuals, we're getting this picture of a very mixed and generalized economy incorporating salmon, caribou and other animal species.


You are what you eat: Hair samples give clues to past diets and behaviours "This is in the earlier phase of the site and we're now working on the younger sites which will give us a clear idea of how the people's diet was adapting to changes in climatic conditions which would have affected species availability," she said.

"We can take this evidence and get an idea of what sort of changes were happening in the Bering Sea ecosystem and what sorts of changes were going on in terms of people's subsistence."

Dr Knecht added: "I think we'll be looking at a story of resilience in the face of very rapid climate change."

As the Arctic sea ice continues to decrease today, many indigenous communities are under threat from changes in the weather, but also from changes in the abundance of subsistence food stocks such as salmon and seals.

Dr Knecht underlined how important the protection of the site was for understanding both the past and how to deal with the future.

"This isn't just an area of cultural importance, but we could also create a predictive model about what to expect in the coming decades," he said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19521091


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Quote from: sky otter on September 09, 2012, 12:24:24 AM

is there more going on thatn normal do you guys think?

Globe gets warmer (no such thing as global warming :P )
Ice Sheets Melt
Pressure is removed from Land Mass
That causes Land Mass to shift
That cause EQ'a and Volcanoes
All that cause climate change

means Next Ice Age is on the way...

Nothing to see here... move along now... this is Normal for the Earth...

Oh wait  forgot you Hairless Monkeys missed the last cycle :P

My Advice? Stock up on food, firewood and blankets and move south if you can :D

Time is running out...

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Seas/415k-year-temp-graph.jpg)

Quote from: zorgon on September 13, 2012, 11:52:06 PM
Globe gets warmer (no such thing as global warming :P )
Ice Sheets Melt
Pressure is removed from Land Mass
That causes Land Mass to shift
That cause EQ'a and Volcanoes
All that cause climate change

means Next Ice Age is on the way...

Nothing to see here... move along now... this is Normal for the Earth...

Oh wait  forgot you Hairless Monkeys missed the last cycle :P

My Advice? Stock up on food, firewood and blankets and move south if you can :D

Time is running out...

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Seas/415k-year-temp-graph.jpg)

Wondering on this chart? It shows we are getting colder and that 10,000 years ago we were at our warmest, yet these ice packs are just now melting?  Or have they been melting for 10,000 years and we are just now at the low level. the chart as I see it would suggest that every thing that is beeing found has to be at least 125,000 years old so it was put there when there was no ice?

Does the shaded green area mean frozen or below normial and world ice is increasing. If so then this is an ice planet. With a few peaks in the sun. I see 5 times frozen, do they match extinsion?

Quote from: deuem on September 16, 2012, 05:53:41 PM

Wondering on this chart? It shows we are getting colder

It doesn't show that at all does it?

Record minimum for Arctic sea ice
By Paul Rincon

Science editor, BBC News website
19 September 2012 Last updated at 13:36 ET

Arctic sea ice has reached its minimum extent for the year, setting a record for the lowest summer cover since satellite data collection began.

The 2012 extent has fallen to 3.41 million sq km (1.32 million sq mi) - 50% lower than the 1979-2000 average.

Arctic sea ice has long been regarded as a sensitive indicator of changes in the climate.

Scientists who have been analysing the startling melt think it is part of a fundamental change.

"We are now in uncharted territory," said Mark Serreze, director of the National Snow and Ice Center (NSIDC) in Colorado, US.

"While we've long known that as the planet warms up, changes would be seen first and be most pronounced in the Arctic, few of us were prepared for how rapidly the changes would actually occur."

Paul.Rincon-INTERNET@bbc.co.uk

Read the rest here....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19652329

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Analysis
David Shukman

Science editor, BBC News

It's difficult to grasp the scale of this but picture about a dozen United Kingdoms lined up side by side: that's how much more sea ice has vanished beyond the average amount left at the end the summer over the past 30 years.

This is a bigger, faster, more dramatic melt than anyone would have imagined possible even a few years ago. The most striking impression during a visit to Svalbard earlier this month was the look of shock on the faces of the scientists.

The models have underestimated the rapidity of the processes at work. The polar winters will always see the ocean refreeze. But the prospect of change on a planetary scale looms closer: the Arctic ice cap, a permanent feature at the roof of the world throughout human history, becoming a seasonal, temporary one instead, and sooner rather than later.

Read more from David

Arctic sea ice set to hit record lowBy Mark Kinver
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19330307



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17803691
Europe's Cryosat mission is now watching the ebb and flow of Arctic sea ice with high precision.

The radar spacecraft was launched in 2010 to monitor changes in the thickness and shape of polar ice.

Scientists have spent the past two years getting to grips with its data.

And on Tuesday, they reported that Cryosat was now delivering an unprecedented view of the seasonal growth and retreat of sea ice spanning the entire Arctic basin.

The researchers also released a map showing the difference in height across the Greenland ice sheet.

Click the two tabs above to see visualisations of the satellite's data.

Cryosat mission delivers first sea-ice map
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13829785

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wow.. now it is getting interesting..

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Fossil forest may sprout again as the Canadian Arctic warms
Scientist says Bylot Island woods looked like ones found today in south of Alaska
By Jeanna Bryner
Managing editor


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An ancient forest once flourished on the Canadian Arctic's Bylot Island (shown here), and researchers say global warming may revive it. Credit: Alexandre Guertin-Pasquie

A fossilized forest that flourished more than 2.5 million years ago could return to life thanks to a warming planet, scientists say.

The paleo-scene won't sprout up overnight, of course, said Alexandre Guertin-Pasquier of the University of Montreal, who will present his research at the Canadian Paleontology Conference in Toronto this week.

Rather, he said, climate forecasts suggest that, by 2100, the now-uninhabited Bylot Island where the fossilized forest was discovered will support temperatures similar to those prevalent when the forest thrived.

"The fossil forest found in Bylot Island probably looked like the ones actually found in the (present-day) south of Alaska, where tree-line boreal forest grows near some glacier margins," Guertin-Pasquier wrote in an email. "The main plant diversity also seems to be similar between these two environments," which both include willow, pine and spruce trees.

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Will our grandchildren actually see this forest come to life?

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Credit: Alexandre Guertin-Pasquier  - A typical peat and wood sample collected from the ancient forest on Bylot Island.

"I think it's very possible we might see forest compositions of the past returning with warming," Larisa R.G. DeSantis, who was not involved in the study, told LiveScience. "The question is whether those trees will be able to make it up there," DeSantis said, adding that in some ways it's a lot easier for animals to migrate to different conditions.

"But trees have another whole level of difficulty, their potential for movement is based on their dispersal of seeds and that sort of thing, so their movement is constrained," said DeSantis, who studies, among other topics, the reconstruction of ancient environments, at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tenn.

Read the rest of the article here

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49125117/ns/technology_and_science-science/

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QuoteGlobe gets warmer (no such thing as global warming  )
Ice Sheets Melt
Pressure is removed from Land Mass
That causes Land Mass to shift
That cause EQ'a and Volcanoes
All that cause climate change

means Next Ice Age is on the way...

Nothing to see here... move along now... this is Normal for the Earth...

Just part of the Earths Thermal Cycle.....

Watch what happens when it peaks....

QuoteNothing to see here... move along now...

Plenty to see in a few years time....  :D

Could be rather exciting for some...

But still only a part of the Earths NATURAL "Thermal Cycle" though.

I found this "Sculpture" in our City a couple of days ago, a huge "Stainless Steel" Ball
about 4 Meters (12 Feet) in Diameter with Deep Fissures in it.

I wonder what all this is really about ?

See Attachments..

News Corp. Climate Change Coverage Is Misleading, Analysis Claims
Posted: 09/25/2012 1:48 pm EDT Updated: 09/25/2012 2:14 pm EDT

Quote93 percent of Fox News' and 80 percent of the Wall Street Journal opinion pages' climate coverage is inaccurate and misleading according to an analysis titled "Is News Corp. Failing Science," from The Union of Concerned Scientists. The report examined how various media outlets fare in their coverage of climate related news.

Scientific American explains that, according to the analysis, in 37 out of 40 occurrences, Fox's staff made dismissive and inaccurate comments regarding climate change, misleading audiences of its importance and relevance, and that from August 2011 to July 2012 only nine out of the Wall Street Journal's 48 mentions of climate were accurate.

Many scientists are coming out in defense of the "Is News Corp. Failing Science" report. According to Media Matters, at least 10 scientists have gone as far as calling the Fox News and the Wall Street Journal's coverage "Utter Nonsense."

read the rest of the article here;
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/25/news-corp-climate-change-coverage_n_1912896.html?utm_hp_ref=media&ir=Media

some pdf links embedded in text at the link

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Yesterday at 4:22 am we had a very large lightning stike right near the house ( condos ). The thunder was so loud it bounced me out of bed and sent kids all over the place yelling for mommy. There was no storm, no rain, no clouds in the sky. Just the one huge strike and it was over.

That was strange in my book. It has never happened before. Has anyone had this happen?

Deuem

Quote from: deuem on October 03, 2012, 11:14:36 AM
Yesterday at 4:22 am we had a very large lightning stike right near the house ( condos ). The thunder was so loud it bounced me out of bed and sent kids all over the place yelling for mommy. There was no storm, no rain, no clouds in the sky. Just the one huge strike and it was over.

That was strange in my book. It has never happened before. Has anyone had this happen?

Deuem

Your phone is tapped and Zorgon wanted your attention.

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Quote from: deuem on October 03, 2012, 11:14:36 AM
That was strange in my book. It has never happened before. Has anyone had this happen?
Deuem

BST in Northern Ca, me in Vegas and Sky Otter in the east  all have seen several recent "Light show" storms where all you get is hundreds of lighting flashes and no thunder or rain.

Years ago in Winnipeg I was in the garden... clear day, hot and dry and a single bolt hit my neighbors CB antenna  Close enough to physically knock me down from the shock wave

Heat lightning and 'Dry Lightning' are common here in the west

And we still are getting 100F during the days  My pomegranate tree is growing a second growth and flowers before the fruit already there are ripe. Irises are coming up a second time  Plants are all confused

I need a break from this heat... been 100F plus since beginning of May and we has a record 100F middle of April this year

Water bill has been murder keeping my plants and tress alive

Here in the Tampa Bay area we get dry lightning all the time..but it always comes with thunderstorms within twenty miles or so.

My grandparents, in the 70's, while inside watching tv, had a orb of ball lightning roll through their front door, cross the room burning the terrazzo floor, and shooting out through the back sliding glass door and out over the seawall behind their home. There was no storm anywhere withing a hundred miles. It left black scarring and the doors both had to be replaced.

I have had it hit the water within 100 yards of me in my canoe, and it knocked me and my friend out for several minutes. In that case a strom was about ten miles away.

I have heard of people experiencing it in the forest nearby, where it just crashed down during a sunny day, so it could be quite possible it is a static discharge not caused by rain or cloud energy differentials.

From a video I watched the other day, the surface of Mars and other places around our own world has been subject to lightning sculpting...rows of holes from electrical discharge, lichtenburg figures, and so on.

Heres a cool video about how electrical discharges can effect landscapes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_T6__JDeyw
Is it possible we are someday in for this sort of experience here on Earth?

Again?

Shocking, eh? :P

 :o

might be time to see how far inland you are..


Arctic Ice Melt, Sea Level Rise May Pose Imminent Threat To Island Nations,
Climate Scientist Says
The Huffington Post  |  By James Gerken Posted: 10/05/2012 4:39 pm EDT

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In the wake of last month's discovery that the extent of Arctic sea ice coverage hit a record low this year, climate scientist Michael Mann told the Guardian that "Island nations that have considered the possibility of evacuation at some point, like Tuvalu, may have to be contending those sort of decisions within the matter of a decade or so."

........

"The models have typically predicted that will not happen for decades but the measurements that are coming in tell us it is already happening so once again we are decades ahead of schedule," Mann told the Guardian.

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Despite the increasingly clear picture painted by scientific observations and climate modeling, "There's a huge gap between what is understood by the scientific community and what is known by the public," according to NASA scientist James Hansen. Recent polling suggests that as much as 35 percent of the U.S. population and 37 percent of the British public remain unconvinced of the scientific reality of climate change.

entire article here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/05/arctic-ice-melt-sea-level-rise_n_1942666.html

This Sea Ice melt, meaning higher sea levels is in my question book.  If I take a glass of water with lots of ice cubes and fill it to the top and wait for it to melt the glass never over flows. Ice has the same volume as water except it floats. Why does this not happen the same, with Artic Ice. So far I have seen no sea levels rising here. If the water gets locked up on land in an ice format then gets put to sea, OK that I can see. Then we are adding more water. But changing ice in the ocean to water should do nothing except add fresh cold water.

Anyone?   Deuem

Hey, Dueum, the difference is that some of the ice is on top of land and the ice melting allows the land to rise, which in turn displaces more ocean and causes a rise in sea levels. Ice cubes in a glass equalize because there is nothing being held down by the ice.

Hope that helps a bit!:-):-):-)

Cheers!
Le

Yea Littleeki, that is the same thing I wrote. If on land it is a problem but at sea no. The artic is an ocean, no? The north pole, Santas house was just a huge floating ice berg. So it should have zero effect on the oceans level.  Now if you take Greenland, that is another story. The Ice there is or was miles deep. I have seen that it is melting also.

Still I am not sure what would really happen even if it did. The oceans are so large that it might only add a mm or two.  I have also heard that every day of the year Ice is entering the Earths atmospher from space. many metric tons of it daily. This should also add to the water levels but I have not seen that either.

I think the Earth is just getting larger. Kind of like a lot of us. The more it eats, the bigger it gets. If you add up all the dust, stones and water that hit us every day and times it by how many million years, it should have changed the planets waste line. The oceans weight has to be pushing down on the crust and in exchange pushing up or out on the land masses. I think opposites will find a way to balance out in the long run.....    Deuem

Exactly, Dueum, the cycle of creation and subsequent decay!

Le

Quote from: deuem on October 06, 2012, 01:55:29 PM
Yea Littleeki, that is the same thing I wrote. If on land it is a problem but at sea no. The artic is an ocean, no? The north pole, Santas house was just a huge floating ice berg. So it should have zero effect on the oceans level.  Now if you take Greenland, that is another story. The Ice there is or was miles deep. I have seen that it is melting also.

Still I am not sure what would really happen even if it did. The oceans are so large that it might only add a mm or two.  I have also heard that every day of the year Ice is entering the Earths atmospher from space. many metric tons of it daily. This should also add to the water levels but I have not seen that either.

I think the Earth is just getting larger.

Kind of like a lot of us. The more it eats, the bigger it gets. If you add up all the dust, stones and water that hit us every day and times it by how many million years, it should have changed the planets waste line. The oceans weight has to be pushing down on the crust and in exchange pushing up or out on the land masses. I think opposites will find a way to balance out in the long run.....    Deuem

Greetings friend Deuem:

QuoteI think the Earth is just getting larger.

This is what our Pacific Northwest boat-builder friend clif high (http://www.halfpasthuman.com/aintwhatitusedtobe.html) has to say about that:




Expando Planet Model


The Expando Planet model is a sub set of the Expando Universe model of reality to which we will return in a bit. We start with Einstein and the much discussed, debated, and hated, E=MC2 equation.

In Einstein, and Newtonian understanding of physics, energy transforms into matter and vice versa, so if you twist on uranium in just the right way with energy, it will transform a bunch of its own matter into energy very rapidly and thus we have nuclear plants and bombs based on this principle of 'exciting' the matter of uranium (and other radioactive elements) to convert to energy.


Well...in this universe, equations work both ways, so theoretically we could take a bunch of energy and 'condense' it into matter (assuming we knew how). This matter could be as dense as version as we desired given that we are condensing it out of energy.

So we would initially get simple molecules such as hydrogen and helium, but if we persisted, we could continue to coagulate the energy into denser molecules like oil, or iron, or gold.

And thus is explained how the whole alchemy transmutation thing works.

By condensation.

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Quote from: deuem on October 06, 2012, 01:55:29 PM
Yea Littleeki, that is the same thing I wrote. If on land it is a problem but at sea no. The acrtic is an ocean, no?

Correct ice, the crystaline form of water expands when it freezes... so when it melts the volume is less

However the land ice in Antarctica, Greenland and the Himalayan mountains is also melting.  The weight taken off the land IMO won;t raise it by much

QuoteThe north pole, Santas house was just a huge floating ice berg. So it should have zero effect on the oceans level.  Now if you take Greenland, that is another story. The Ice there is or was miles deep. I have seen that it is melting also.

Santa does not live at the North Pole. They sent a sub there and there was no Santa.  Santa lives in North Pole Alaska and I can prove it (an that he is real( with several government agencies help

It's a little early but here is that proof
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/02files/Proof_that_Santa_Claus_is_Real.html

QuoteI think the Earth is just getting larger. Kind of like a lot of us. The more it eats, the bigger it gets.

Forget everything they told you...

Where did all that water from Noah's flood go to?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kL7qDeI05U

Santa lives at the North Pole near Colorado Springs.  NORAD is located under Cheyenne Mountain near Colirado Springs.  NORAS tracks Santa's progress every year.  I've also heard sleigh bells over my house on Dec. 24.  He checks in at Buckley AFB after he leaves North Pole.  You guys just don't know what you're talking about.

Shasta

Quote from: Shasta56 on October 06, 2012, 07:52:34 PMYou guys just don't know what you're talking about.

Well if you read that link you will see that NORAD agrees with me  :P Its all there documentsed from Norad, Pentagon and NGA (Space Spooks)

Santa comes from Lapland NOT the North pole.  You guys don't know WTF you are talking about. :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHR-cG4X2_Y

Is it just me, or does the whole Santa thing not coma across as a bit sinister, or even paedophilic?

Hi Zorgon, thanks for that expanding Earth video. I saw it a while back and it does make one think.  After thinking, I would go back to tectonics for sure but I would still have to add in some expansion caused from space ice and junk hitting us daily. If there is indeed tons of ice, dust and rocks entering our atmosphere every day. this has to have some effect over millions of years.

Unless the equivalent gets blown away by the solar winds.

By the way, the last time I saw Santa, he was kissing mommy.

Deuem

Zorgon, we all know that you pay NORAD off to get them to say whatever you want them to say.  Ppppbbbttttt.

Weathe was cold and snowy here the past two days.  Warming back up today.

Isolated flodding in south Aurora Friday night.  Hubby's replacing a toilet for my daughter today.  That should alleviate the flooding.

Shasta

ok..i'm reading this and going what?..huh?
frozen methane under the sea floor..destabilized...how?
and then got to here..

It is not clear if that is happening yet,

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh another theory set forth to distube the already scared, i got it now

who the heck does these studies anyhow....guess somebody's cousin needed a job...
sigh

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/24/14670511-climate-changing-methane-rapidly-destabilizing-off-east-coast-study-finds?lite&ocid=msnhp

Climate-changing methane 'rapidly destabilizing' off East Coast, study finds

A changing Gulf Stream off the East Coast has destabilized frozen methane deposits trapped under nearly 4,000 square miles of seafloor, scientists reported Wednesday. And since methane is even more potent than carbon dioxide as a global warming gas, the researchers said, any large-scale release could have significant climate impacts.

Temperature changes in the Gulf Stream are "rapidly destabilizing methane hydrate along a broad swathe of the North American margin," the experts said in a study published Wednesday in the peer-reviewed journal Nature.

Using seismic records and ocean models, the team estimated that 2.5 gigatonnes of frozen methane hydrate are being destabilized and could separate into methane gas and water.

It is not clear if that is happening yet, but that methane gas would have the potential to rise up through the ocean and into the atmosphere, where it would add to the greenhouse gases warming Earth.

The 2.5 gigatonnes isn't enough to trigger a sudden climate shift, but the team worries that other areas around the globe might be seeing a similar destabilization.

"It is unlikely that the western North Atlantic margin is the only area experiencing changing ocean currents," they noted. "Our estimate ... may therefore represent only a fraction of the methane hydrate currently destabilizing globally."

The wider destabilization evidence, co-author Ben Phrampus told NBC News, includes data from the Arctic and Alaska's northern slope in the Beaufort Sea.

And it's not just under the seafloor that methane has been locked up. Some Arctic land area are seeing permafrost thaw, which could release methane stored there as well.

An expert who was not part of the study said it suggests that methane could become a bigger climate factor than carbon dioxide.

"We may approach a turning point" from a warming driven by man-made carbon dioxide to a warming driven by methane, Jurgen Mienert, the geology department chair at Norway's University of Tromso, told NBC News.

"The interactions between the warming Arctic Ocean and the potentially huge methane-ice reservoirs beneath the Arctic Ocean floor point towards increasing instability," he added.

He also noted, however, that "one of the big unknowns is the magnitude of rapid methane escape from the ocean floor, and how natural filter systems react and affect the future ocean, its environment and the climate."

Relate: Thawing Arctic permafrost is releasing methane

Another unknown is what caused the Gulf Stream changes, said Phrampus, an earth sciences PhD candidate at Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas.

"Multiple events can play a factor, such as changing sea level or an addition of cold/fresh water from the north," Phrampus said, adding he was hopeful that the changes might be "reversible under their own influence."

But, he added, "we need more data to resolve this, and we are currently investigating this process."

more weather stuff at link
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/24/14670511-climate-changing-methane-rapidly-destabilizing-off-east-coast-study-finds?lite&ocid=msnhp

i saw that greenland ice sheet melting video.
creeped me out.

as far as where did the water go?
google wiki worlds deepest well.

methane quite possibly be the next switch thrown on this slow motion train wreck.
from the things ive read,methane is everywhere.

imagine whole seas on fire,ships sinking ,planes falling from the sky and whole cities of people dropping like flies.
not a pretty sight.
skies darkening from all the co and ash.sulphuric rain as the high sulphur methane leaches into the air.then comes winter.now the methane creeps across the ground like a ghost searching for a spark,then turning into bombs that can level brick buildings.google new london school explosion.
a very grimm future is possible.

 ::)

Wow and now the bank guys..

World Bank Climate Change Report Says 'Turn Down The Heat' On Warming Planet
Reuters  |  Posted: 11/18/2012 7:00 pm EST Updated: 11/18/2012 7:49 pm EST

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/18/world-bank-climate-change-report_n_2156082.html

* Poorest regions hit hardest
* World Bank focuses on climate change under new chief
* Must balance climate change with energy needs of poor

By Anna Yukhananov

WASHINGTON, Nov 18 (Reuters) - All nations will suffer the effects of a warmer world, but it is the world's poorest countries that will be hit hardest by food shortages, rising sea levels, cyclones and drought, the World Bank said in a report on climate change.

Under new World Bank President Jim Yong Kim, the global development lender has launched a more aggressive stance to integrate climate change into development.

"We will never end poverty if we don't tackle climate change. It is one of the single biggest challenges to social justice today," Kim told reporters on a conference call on Friday.

The report, called "Turn Down the Heat," highlights the devastating impact of a world hotter by 4 degrees Celsius (7.2 Fahrenheit) by the end of the century, a likely scenario under current policies, according to the report.

Climate change is already having an effect: Arctic sea ice reached a record minimum in September, and extreme heat waves and drought in the last decade have hit places like the United States and Russia more often than would be expected from historical records, the report said.

Such extreme weather is likely to become the "new normal" if the temperature rises by 4 degrees, according to the World Bank report. This is likely to happen if not all countries comply with pledges they have made to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Even assuming full compliance, the world will warm by more than 3 degrees by 2100.

In this hotter climate, the level of the sea would rise by up to 3 feet, flooding cities in places like Vietnam and Bangladesh. Water scarcity and falling crop yields would exacerbate hunger and poverty.

Extreme heat waves would devastate broad swaths of the earth's land, from the Middle East to the United States, the report says. The warmest July in the Mediterranean could be 9 degrees hotter than it is today -- akin to temperatures seen in the Libyan desert.

The combined effect of all these changes could be even worse, with unpredictable effects that people may not be able to adapt to, said John Schellnhuber, director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, which along with Climate Analytics prepared the report for the World Bank.

"If you look at all these things together, like organs cooperating in a human body, you can think about acceleration of this dilemma," said Schellnhuber, who studied chaos theory as a physicist. "The picture reads that this is not where we want the world to go."

SHOCKED INTO ACTION

As the first scientist to head the World Bank, Kim has pointed to "unequivocal" scientific evidence for man-made climate change to urge countries to do more.

Kim said 97 percent of scientists agree on the reality of climate change.

"It is my hope that this report shocks us into action," Kim, writes in the report.

Scientists are convinced that global warming in the past century is caused by increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases produced by human activities such as the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation. These findings by the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change were recognized by the national science academies of all major industrialized nations in a joint statement in 2010.

Kim said the World Bank plans to further meld climate change with development in its programs.

Last year, the Bank doubled its funding for countries seeking to adapt to climate change, and now operates $7.2 billion in climate investment funds in 48 countries.

The World Bank study comes as almost 200 nations will meet in Doha, Qatar, from Nov. 26 to Dec. 7 to try to extend the Kyoto Protocol, the existing plan for curbing greenhouse gas emissions by developed nations that runs to the end of the year.

They have been trying off and on since Kyoto was agreed in 1997 to widen limits on emissions but have been unable to find a formula acceptable to both rich and poor nations.

Emerging countries like China, the world's biggest emitter of greenhouse gases, have said the main responsibility to cut emissions lies with developed nations, which had a headstart in sparking global warming.

Combating climate change also poses a challenge for the poverty-fighting World Bank: how to balance global warming with immediate energy needs in poor countries.

In 2010, the World Bank approved a $3.75 billion loan to develop a coal-fired power plant in South Africa despite lack of support from the United States, Netherlands and Britain due to environmental concerns.

"There really is no alternative to urgent action given the devastating consequences of climate change," global development group Oxfam said in a statement. "Now the question for the World Bank is how it will ensure that all of its investments respond to the imperatives of the report."

Kim said the World Bank tries to avoid investing in coal unless there are no other options.

"But at the same time, we are the group of last resort in finding needed energy in countries that are desperately in search of it," he said.

Some say there is global warming and others say there is not, I dont know what to believe now.

Warming and cooling happens alright, but the Question remains.

Is it attributed to human behavior ?

Or is it just Natural, involving the Earths "Thermal Cycles" ?

I tend to go with the latter, but excessive "Energy Production", may also play a small part, but the systems involved in the Earth's behavior, may even adjust, over-ride or offset human input ?

It can't be proven either way !

It's a "political football" !

It's NOT so much the make up of the Earths Atmosphere, taking into account human input of undesirable amounts of some gasses, but rather it may be the amount of "Energy" we are generating, involving the Industrial world, as well as our transport systems and living habits such as Centralization etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_kc49Ko_NQ

Quote from: biggles on November 20, 2012, 04:46:46 AM
Some say there is global warming and others say there is not, I dont know what to believe now.

try listening to me :P

There IS Global Warming.... the fact that the planet overall average is hotter now than in the past is a FACT that can be measured.

The ones that say there is no Global warming mean in the context that MANKIND created it

Posted this before... 415,000 year record of ice cores from Antarctica that tell you when we had global warming and when we had global cooling. Its a cycle. Like tree rings, ice core samples don't lie.

Only thing is the cycle is not regular. See the chart... the planet is MOSTLY in the cold side of things. What appears to be happening is we are seeking a second hot peak... though we should be seeing a return of the next cooling trens by now. 

It IS possible that the heating can trigger an ice age... look at the chart... every time the temp has changed its a SUDDEN CHANGE  over a few years relatively speaking. The slopes on the graph are steep every time

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Seas/415k-year-temp-graph.jpg)

When it gets hotter, water dries up, there will be shortages and food will be hard to grow without water

Right now it's near the end of November. We still have 75-80 degree days The irises are already coming up again.  Last year we had only 2 days of below zero... around thanksgiving. This year it didn't go below freezing yet and all the leaves are still on the tree. Nov is usually the coldest month here... and I am still going outside with a t-shirt

Last April we hit 100F mid April   Then from the start of may to Oct we stayed at 100 or higher this year. I have that recorded in record ever AC bills that nearly killed us.

So yeah there IS global warming, but no, we didn't cause it... its a cycle.

So bring on those chemtrails... we are going to need them ASAP  8)

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on November 20, 2012, 09:00:19 AM
It's a "political football" !

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Quote from: Pimander on November 25, 2012, 09:27:41 PM
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;)

You must be reading my Mind...   :D  That's cheating...    ;D

maybe we should think of moving north.. ;)


http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/27/15475225-were-lucky-nordic-land-rising-faster-than-sea-level?lite

'We're lucky': Nordic land rising faster than sea level

By Reuters
LULEA, Sweden -- A Stone Age camp that used to be by the shore is now 125 miles from the Baltic Sea. Sheep graze on what was the seabed in the 15th century. And Sweden's port of Lulea risks getting too shallow for ships.


In contrast to worries from the Maldives to Manhattan of storm surges and higher ocean levels caused by climate change, the entire northern part of the Nordic region is rising and, as a result, the Baltic Sea is receding.

"In a way we're lucky," said Lena Bengten, environmental strategist at the Lulea Municipality in Sweden, pointing to damage from superstorm Sandy that killed more than 200 people from Haiti to the United States.

The uplift of almost 0.4 inches a year, one of the highest rates in the world, is part of a continuing geological rebound since the end of the Ice Age removed a vast ice sheet from regions around the Arctic Circle.



the rest  of the story is at the link


oh yeah i forgot to say that this makes me pause when i think about where they put the seed bank
what is really known and by whom?
???

if i rv the future it will be to take a look at the history books..if anyone bothered to write some

;)

As Zorgon said, tree rings and ice cores don't lie.  Geological records also indicate that the magnetic poles have shifted at various times in the past.  Some people think that's what we have coming next month.  I guess we'll find out.

Shasta

maybe its being used as a way to stabilize the world economy by taxing the hot economies and stimulating the cool ones.
this would settle the world down,thus stabilizing world markets.carbon tax +HAARP=world peace and lots of rich beurocrats.
dont worry,the us army said they would have total control of the weather by 2025.

Quote from: robomont on October 25, 2012, 06:41:59 AM
i saw that greenland ice sheet melting video.
creeped me out.
as far as where did the water go?

When sea ice melts it the water takes up LESS SPACE than the ice :P  The water went into the space left by the ice :P

Quote from: sky otter on October 25, 2012, 12:50:24 AM
ok..i'm reading this and going what?..huh?
frozen methane under the sea floor..destabilized...how?
and then got to here..

I did a thread on that methane... but not sure it was moved here. Might have been at open Minds or Spookville

Gulf Oil spill... the biggest reason they couldn't cap them was that methane (usually associated with oil) was coming out of that hole at TEN TIMES normal expected pressure and just kept blowing.

Redondo beach fish kill (one of many bird and fish kills last year) cause was huge methane release from mud volcanoes of Redondo beach... Killed the fish instantly

Yes Victoria it really IS Swamp Gas this time

So maybe the Earth IS expanding and this methane gas is blowing it up like a balloon with some escaping in holes we made :D

supposedly al jazeera just did a report on the gulf of mexico.
if the report is to be believed,the gulf is screwed for at least forty years.
the worst part is the coverup.

Quote from: robomont on December 03, 2012, 06:40:37 AM
supposedly al jazeera just did a report on the gulf of mexico.
if the report is to be believed,the gulf is screwed for at least forty years.
the worst part is the coverup.

Greetings:

Whilst we may not be Al Jazeera, this may be of interest:

Mutated Fish, Eyeless Shrimp, Clawless Crabs: GOM Fisheries Devastated (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1153.msg19077#msg19077)

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Quote from: zorgon on November 25, 2012, 09:20:47 PM
try listening to me :P

There IS Global Warming.... the fact that the planet overall average is hotter now than in the past is a FACT that can be measured.

The ones that say there is no Global warming mean in the context that MANKIND created it

Posted this before... 415,000 year record of ice cores from Antarctica that tell you when we had global warming and when we had global cooling. Its a cycle. Like tree rings, ice core samples don't lie.

Only thing is the cycle is not regular. See the chart... the planet is MOSTLY in the cold side of things. What appears to be happening is we are seeking a second hot peak... though we should be seeing a return of the next cooling trens by now. 

It IS possible that the heating can trigger an ice age... look at the chart... every time the temp has changed its a SUDDEN CHANGE  over a few years relatively speaking. The slopes on the graph are steep every time

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Seas/415k-year-temp-graph.jpg)

When it gets hotter, water dries up, there will be shortages and food will be hard to grow without water

Right now it's near the end of November. We still have 75-80 degree days The irises are already coming up again.  Last year we had only 2 days of below zero... around thanksgiving. This year it didn't go below freezing yet and all the leaves are still on the tree. Nov is usually the coldest month here... and I am still going outside with a t-shirt

Last April we hit 100F mid April   Then from the start of may to Oct we stayed at 100 or higher this year. I have that recorded in record ever AC bills that nearly killed us.

So yeah there IS global warming, but no, we didn't cause it... its a cycle.

So bring on those chemtrails... we are going to need them ASAP  8)

If you stick a space heater in a room - even if it's a big room - the temperature will change. = Fact

Think of Earth as a BIG room. Think of all the devices we use that create heat - Car's, Trucks, Jets, Airconditioners, Machinery, Phones,  Factories ETC ETC ETC.

Now look at a city from a distance. Look at all the heat rising from that city - on a daily 24 hour basis, 24/7 365 days a year for Decades. Now look at all the cities around the World. Each city pushing out heat at the same time around the globe 24/7 365 for decades.

Global Cities = Space heaters around the world. The temperature will change as a result of this - that's fact.

There are also natural occurances as you've pointed out and we're throwing off the natural balance with human made heat. = Fact

There is almost never just one factor, there are always many to consider.

What we have here is a "Variables" issue. There are many things too take into consideration, one of which has not been mentioned as of yet for some of the weather displacement issues, which in a nut shell, has been happening since time began and the earliest stages of our planet and any other planet body with in the Cosmos.
Estimates vary, but the USGS says at least 1,000 million grams, or roughly 1,000 tons of material enters the atmosphere every year and makes its way to Earths surface, now these are not exacting number's grant you, but they do supply a great deal of information with both weights distorted and configuration, Earth recycling process , Pressures within the Earth and also Pressures upon the earth.
Cumulatively, and with really no exacting measurements, this becomes a "Approximation" Theory of sorts. Essentially, each and every day our Planets crust is gaining weight, Mass and most of all Tectonic pressure.
With these kind of influxes of a machine that is running on Radioactive center/Core, it is slowly decaying with in its current state of being, just as any other Radioactive thing, the planet is experiencing a "Radioactive Decay" of the natural kind. When radioactive Decay reaches an area of the surface, it there for promulgates the reasons why Scientists can use Radioactive Isotope for measurements, and some may quibble too "How can they Age such things as Dinosaur Fossils accurately?" Well, they don't, it is usually with in a time line of 1-2 Million years (Sometimes maybe 100's or 10's of thousands, depending on what they are discussing), plenty of cushion for error, but not enough to write off the research for approximations once again.
At the very center, it is believed temperatures exceed 11,000 degrees Fahrenheit, hotter than the surface of the sun. But, just as the Sun will do eventually, it will die. Super Nova, as it is called. The earth is going through these same basic principle's due too its inner core being fluctuated as time and stresses are applied.

(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i246/Allred5923/1-earth.jpg)

QuoteAt the center of the Earth lies a two-part core. "The inner part is about the size of our moon," Marone says, "and has a density of essentially steel." The outer core surrounding it is an ocean of liquid metal 2,300 kilometers thick. The Earth's rotation makes this ocean flow and swirl, and the moving metal generates the planet's magnetic field.

QuoteMarone- Penn. State Univ.
Radioactivity is present not only in the mantle, but in the rocks of Earth's crust. For example, Marone explains, a 1-kilogram block of granite on the surface emanates a tiny but measurable amount of heat (about as much as a .000000001 watt light bulb) through radioactive decay.
That may not seem like much. But considering the vastness of the mantle, it adds up, Marone says.
Sometime billions of years in the future, he predicts, the core and mantle could cool and solidify enough to meet the crust. If that happens, Earth will become a cold, dead planet like the moon.

FYI: In 2005 Zorgon had posted a story relating to our weakening Magnetosphere and the strange sciences that were being emitted too our planets surface by Radioactive anomalies unseen by scientists until it or this had happened. If he would supply that particular story, this would be of greater understanding of these chain of events being nothing more than natural by laws of the Universe, all planets and bodies are going through this.

With the Accumulation of Space/Cosmic dust each and every second, the stresses put upon our crustal plains such as Oil Drilling and Mining, or anything remotely associated with these types of events, creates a weaker outer crust on our planet. But the glowing Radioactive orb is still pumping its incredible amount of energy into the machine that allows the earth too recycle itself.(Only  a lot more of it every passing year/day/hour/minute/second.)
Another thing to take into consideration is the fluctuations of the Lunar pulls. We know that the moon is slipping away, ever so slightly as it may be, it is still being tampered with with such things as Glaciation melts and higher tidal influences, as Zorgon has said "These are all natural driving forces that are being seen as Human affiliated." for some strange reason. These are absolutely normal, by Earths standards.

QuoteNothing lasts forever though, and our moon is slowly escaping its Earth orbit. The moon is slowly slipping away from Earth's grasp at a rate of about 1.5 inches per year.  In another two billion years it will have receded so far that it won't be able to keep us steady and we'll have to come up with some other solution.  In the meantime, remember to think of the moon as more than just another attractive feature of the night sky.  It means everything to us!

And being's that Gravity seems too be a very obscure effect that does it all, it too has it's own radiant heat properties to emit as it produces these gravitational effects.

One of my personal main arguments into this debate was "Why don't they see this is nothing more than Natural sciences taking effect and lay off the whole Human activity associated with global warming?" All one has too do is look into the Coffers of the people that started this too see what kind of impact it put on the financial and fundamental situation between mans ideology and thought processing once this was released into the MSM and away it went.
Granted, we as a collective have instituted some very bad thing's with in our atmosphere, but nothing on the order of what the Earth produces itself and what our closest star the Sun emits each and every day. We are getting it from both sides, from under our feet and above our heads, and it won't end any time soon. As we deal with the stresses of our lives, so the Earth must deal with it's own turmoils (As we view them for our benefit of understanding.) and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it as far as the mechanics of the Cosmos, but as a crustal dwelling society, we tend too get over concerned and allocate appropriate actions, just that we can't rely on the PTB too give us proper disclosure's for these event's, apparently not the first time around anyway.. ::)

With Utmost Respect,
1Worldwatcher
Marone Quote:
http://phys.org/news62952904.html (http://phys.org/news62952904.html)

Moon Slipping away Quote:
http://www.msad49.org/ljhs/WonWorld/earth's_moon.htm (http://www.msad49.org/ljhs/WonWorld/earth's_moon.htm)

Captain Dave wrote:

QuoteThere is almost never just one factor, there are always many to consider.

Absolutely correct, love that theology B!!

With Great Respect,
1WW

Edited for wrong User Name quote.

Quote from: Pimander on October 06, 2012, 08:20:49 PM
Santa comes from Lapland NOT the North pole.  You guys don't know WTF you are talking about. :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHR-cG4X2_Y

Look people, SANTA lives within all of us Equally. He is a spirit and a metaphore for goodness and a real person who's address is his own business. Can't you people just share for crying out loud. (Besides, I rv'd him and you're all wrong he's in the Carribean - I mean Psh, would you want to live in the land of ice and snow for hundreds of years?!).

(http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/5079/cloudsafteryu55nov10th3.jpg)

When comet YU55 passed by it created a wake in space that changed our tradewinds and subsequently our oceanic currents. Yet another factor to add. ( I was on live as it passed by - monitoring changes - and saved this pic. )

( Oh & Thanks 1WW.  :) )

Quote from: Captain Dave on December 03, 2012, 08:39:11 PM
(http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/5079/cloudsafteryu55nov10th3.jpg)

When comet YU55 passed by it created a wake in space that changed our tradewinds and subsequently our oceanic currents. Yet another factor to add. ( I was on live as it passed by - monitoring changes - and saved this pic. )
( Oh & Thanks 1WW.  :) )

No Problem Capt. Dave well said!!
And for this Trade wind interference, is that the swirling effects we see on the upper or high altitude clouds then? And beings this happened in 2011, wouldn't something like this visual correspondence of the influences of the currents and such have dissipated by now?
Very cool Still of the event!! But, it does play a part in the big picture as it were.

1Worldwatcher

Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on December 03, 2012, 08:52:42 PM
No Problem Capt. Dave well said!!
And for this Trade wind interference, is that the swirling effects we see on the upper or high altitude clouds then? And beings this happened in 2011, wouldn't something like this visual correspondence of the influences of the currents and such have dissipated by now?
Very cool Still of the event!! But, it does play a part in the big picture as it were.

1Worldwatcher

Yes,
You can see by the arrow the path of YU55 as it passed by over head and as a direct result of that path, there appears to have been movement within our own atmosphere as evidenced by the clouds. I called it a "wake in space" for lack of better terminology.

I was monitoring multiple sites when this occurred, but as they say - a picture says a thousand words.

With a "wake" powerful enough to move a large part of the upper atmosphere and shift global trade winds, what would the long term effects be? How long would it take for things to return to normal and/ or would they return to normal or be slightly changed permanently?

Would this change the Earths Axis or Rotation even slightly?

This all occurred in 2011 and shortly after I noticed that the trade winds in the pacific ring of fire area and over the US shifted to the south quite a bit. I did some further checking and it turns out that the trade winds affected the oceanic currents as well.

Sorry, but I didn't save any of that data though I'm sure it's still out there on the net.

I suspect this event created a domino effect in many ways but can't say whether the domino's are still falling. So as to whether things have "returned to normal" I really couldn't say.

It may be a very small percentage of change, but when added with all other factors creates a larger cumulative change .

(Sorry, been writing music and haven't kept up with my science snooping.)   :(

come on guys ,really?
a ton of ash per year over even a million years wont make a difference.
this planet is huge.
the heat from the core is nothing.
earth is heated by the sun.

Quote from: robomont on December 04, 2012, 06:55:54 PM
come on guys ,really?

Hi Robo, and "REALLY" it is the dynamic of our planet, it is not a free floating static structure, it is forever changing right under your feet "Didn't know that?" "REALLY?" LOL  :P

Quotea ton of ash per year over even a million years wont make a difference.

I think you may have read that wrong, it is a 1000 tonnes of debris every year, could be as high as 100K depending on the current cosmic activities though, there is variance from one too the other , but this is fact and also implores different stresses with in a perpetual recycling machine as well. More debris, same machine, more work.  ::)

Quotehis planet is huge.

Well, I would beg too differ, but it is OK, do some research, you will find many much much larger, and the dynamics of earth are played with in every planet with in the Galaxy, just different weights and processes, under same principle of course, provided they have Tectonic shift and movements under their associated crustal plains.

Quotethe heat from the core is nothing.

11,000 F* is nothing, over billions of years with accumulated debris and in active moments with in our Magnetosphere at times, well, you really, really need to do a bit more research Robo. But, then again, if you are replying just to pass your own ideologies and theories across boundaries, understood. But terribly terribly wrong for the science involved Robo.... :o

Quoteearth is heated by the sun.

And Gravitational friction, Magnetosphere failure moments, Magma flows and Tectonic shifts (Associated with Gravitational Friction) Lunar implied forces and dissipation of radioactivity of our central core (Radioactive Decay) it is all part of the whole machine, just like your involvement with the EG/Warp drive thread, many facilitated interferences too consider, all there, all "REAL" and very easy to access by way of research and deductive reasoning. Not too mention of the stresses caused by Glaciation melt off and poles being exposed to create even more of an issue with none reflective Sun shine issues, becomes a 'Solar Panel' if you will, collecting heat, not reflecting it any longer.
The wheel is spinning, as it has done for eon's but 'Spinning' too a slightly different tune compared to the yester years.

With Respect,
1Worldwatcher

Quotethe heat from the core is nothing.

:D

We are a hell of a lot closer to the "Core" of the Earth, than the Sun...   :D

Its Not so much the Temperature. but Rather the Flow of Energy.

That Red and Hot SH%& under our feet, Melts Rock like candle wax.

http://www.universetoday.com/65627/how-hot-is-the-core-of-the-earth/#ixzz2E712NPBm

It's down in this inner core where you'd find the hottest part of Earth. Scientists have estimated that the temperature of the core reaches 5,700 kelvin (5,430 °C; 9,800 °F)

But remember they have no way of actually measuring it directly and can only Guess using Math. within their understanding, or lack of knowledge...  :D

I Suspect the temperature is far far higher.

But as I said it has more to do with the Flow of Energy rather than Temperature.

Depends on how fast Energy is being generated by many different factors.
Friction for one (Caused by tidal affects within the Inner Earth's Magma)
Another is Gravity. Another is The Rotation of magma internally as the Earth Rotates.


Try standing in an active Volcano...   ;D

It Blo$% Hot alright....   :o   :D

Elements and Compounds are formed inside the Earth, and spat out through Vents...  :D

That's why we find Gold around them Mountains and trenches between the Tectonic Plates.

Oil is harvested along trenches or near trenches, between Tectonic Plates. (Cheaper to Harvest in these areas, Not so deep to go.  ;D  )

Gasses which form our atmosphere, also comes from vents both on land and under the Sea.

well the russians supposedly drilled a well,real deep.
they found rubble and water.
this water was not hot enough to boil off.
my dog doesnt like to sleep on frozen ground and we seem to get alot of that in the winter.
so whats earth heating up?
sure aint tbe surface of the planet.
bottom of the ocean.maybe at a fault vent.
the rest of the bottom of the ocean is frigid.
so i still say the core cooling wont make much difference if any?
it may prevent earthquakes some.

i was under the understanding that it was one ton per year.

i was also thinking it was two million years not two billion years till the moon leaves,that will be an extinction level event.

robomont wrote:

Quotei was also thinking it was two million years not two billion years till the moon leaves,that will be an extinction level event.

Our Moon will not cause such an 'extinction level' event if it were to be hurled away from earth, nothing would happen like that, we would just have darker nights and lesser tidal flows.

1WW

tidal flowes effect sea shore evaporation rates.
without them our coast line would get less rain.
this would effect in country humidity causing less rain in the interior.
drought would be a regular thing for the interior.
only food resources for the animals will be along the shoreline coastal habitat.
no math to back it up ,just some show i saw on pbs ,produced by nova.

In NZ we have one of the thinnest areas of Crust in the world.

No Russians Drilling here.

In our largest Lake Hot water and gas comes up through geothermal vents !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Taupo


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3d/Lake_Taupo.jpg/240px-Lake_Taupo.jpg)


(http://www.google.co.nz/maps/vt/data=Ay5GWBeob_WIPLDYoIWcfVXxvZu9XwJ55OX7Ag,HuLLXhwG9pRn3HAg0D236rs2YZOxOGuOj2o0yz8f2viEIxjp3ReaqAl0eKMYi_kpgMkidRet6RM3mqi_DSyQqtdnsMI1QoOwhBtaMFMi2-r0BzNCWhFvjKyr-5QKKOO3JsP2ilA00XXU5HCDnKV1xfGcP9HJORV-WDInKx4ACkuAOhEiFce7rdbUDNgLcA)


Not far from where I live, we can cook in the ground without adding any energy at all.

There are also areas the ground is too hot to walk on, so hot in fact, it would burn your boots off.

that may be what its like living next door to the ring of fire but the rest of the world is pretty cold hard dirt.
now deep in the oil wells its very warm.
the diameter of the core verses the planet makes the heat verses surface area is very weak.
the sun puts out more btus per square foot on the earths surface.

and for my last example.
the poles are closer to the core so they should be way hotter than the equator region.
kinda cool at the poles.

Quote from: robomont on December 05, 2012, 03:25:03 AM
tidal flowes effect sea shore evaporation rates.
without them our coast line would get less rain.
this would effect in country humidity causing less rain in the interior.
drought would be a regular thing for the interior.
only food resources for the animals will be along the shoreline coastal habitat.
no math to back it up ,just some show i saw on pbs ,produced by nova.

Seasons would be dictated, not by time of year, but by your particular latitude on the Earth. There would be a belt around the equator where it always felt like summer. At mid-latitudes it would always feel like spring or autumn, and in the extreme latitudes we would have winter all year around. This would have significant effects on weather systems, circulation patterns etc.

Without the Moon, there would be no change in the length of the day due to the tidal friction between the Earth and Moon.

1WW

Sobering ? or  :o

http://phys.org/news62952904.html

Although we crust-dwellers walk on nice cool ground, underneath our feet the Earth is a pretty hot place. Enough heat emanates from the planet's interior to make 200 cups of piping hot coffee per hour for each of Earth's 6.2 billion inhabitants, says Chris Marone, Penn State professor of geosciences. At the very center, it is believed temperatures exceed 11,000 degrees Fahrenheit, hotter than the surface of the sun.

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on December 05, 2012, 08:54:02 AM
At the very center, it is believed temperatures exceed 11,000 degrees Fahrenheit, hotter than the surface of the sun.

AH! So the scientists confirm there is a SUN at the center of the earth :D

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/greenstars.gif)

Quote from: zorgon on December 05, 2012, 09:14:56 AM
AH! So the scientists confirm there is a SUN at the center of the earth :D

Only if they are brain dead.  ::)

Quote from: Pimander on December 05, 2012, 03:21:15 PM
Only if they are brain dead.  ::)

Hey Pim!
Well, in retrospect for sake of argument, I think they referring to this event as something "like" the Sun's current Fusion operation, el beit sounds rather unbelievable, but there has too be something with in that proximity to continuously keep recycling magma and all the earths crustal found metals, Gems and Volcano's.
So, if you scale down your reply, and put this in the approximation of several hundred miles below a crustal plain, then it becomes more acceptable for digestion...LOL
Funny remark, as usual.. ;)

1WW

I can show how on a very simple level how Particles from the Sun feeds our Earth via the Polar regions.

These Particles are used in a process in the Earth's outer core and Mantle...

(http://www.rocksandminerals4u.com/images/diagram_of_the_earths_interior.jpg)

But 1st how about we draw things in perspective, at least.... NOT like the drawing above !


We get a distorted view of the proportions of the Earth's Components, simply because of the Earth's shape. (Like as though a Spherical Lens) which distorts our understanding via any scientific methods. However when we detect what lays under our Crust is distorted by the fact the Earth behaves Much like a Spherical Lens (similar affects) when involving sound or other methods.

So far the human species has only drilled very, very, shallow bores based on the Earth's size.

Some 7,900 + miles in diam. at the equator.

Anyway you don't really want to drill into the Mantel, if you want things to remain on the surface of the planet, especially if you still want to walk on the ground.
OK if you desire everything to be floating and fly instead  LOL.   :D

But that is another story.


Any Way I will see if I can get something to together over the next few days to show How the Earth is Fed and where nuclear Mutation of the Magma takes place and by what methods.

One of the first things we need to understand though, is How the Earth's "Magnetic Field" is Generated !

Still Not understood today by most on Earth.   :D

Anyway I will do some Drawings with an explanation explaining a few things, re the Sun and the Earth's relationship with it.

This is how the Sun influences Earth's magnetic field.  In this analogy take the magnet to be the sun and its magnetic field and the Earth to be the compass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWFAht13-TI

Now consider that we are made of partly dissolved iron (haemoglobin) and have our own magnetic field and you begin to see why the symbol for the sun is also the symbol of the self in the esoteric tradition.

(http://www.symbols.net/guide/_images_pub3/monad.png)
THE MONAD: The Self, the Sun, Gold.

QuoteA dot or point in the center of a circle symbolizes the blending of male and female forces. Hindus call the midpoint in a circle the bindu - the spark of (masculine) life within the cosmic womb. However, how that relates to the Sun is not explained.

http://solar-center.stanford.edu/folklore/symbolism.html

Well I just gave you a massive clue. ;)

;D
thougth you guys might like this pic i stumbled on the other day


(http://i45.servimg.com/u/f45/13/55/53/83/slide_16.jpg)

The Microwave Sky As Seen By PlanckThis multi-frequency mage of the microwave sky has been composed using data from Planck, an ESA space observatory designed to observe microwaves.


from this article
ESA PHOTOS: Highlights From European Space Agency Images


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/28/esa-photos-european-space-agency_n_2205410.html#slide=1808235

I have thrown this together very Quickly so hope it makes sense...   :D

First here is a little about the earth's crust...

According to this.  Quote;
http://www.universetoday.com/26750/earths-crust/

QuoteYou might not realize it, but you're standing on a thin shell of solid rock encasing a vast quantity of molten rock.

This is the Earth's crust, and it's the part of the planet that has cooled down enough to solidify. But just a few kilometers below your feet, it's molten rock, extending for thousands of kilometers down to the planet's superheated iron core.
Here on solid ground, on the continental shelves, the crust of the Earth is about 30 km thick. In the mid-ocean, the thinnest of the crust can be as little as 5 km.

The temperature of the crust increases as you go deeper into the Earth.

It starts out cool, but can get up to 400 degrees C at the boundary between the crust and the mantle.

Scientists really know very little about internal structure of the Earth.

The crust is the only part that we have any information about.

And we've barely explored it at all.

The deepest hole ever dug was the Russian Kola Superdeep Borehole.
Started in 1970, the hole eventually reached a depth of 12.3 km. They eventually had to quit because temperatures in the hole became too hot to go any further.

Other plans are in the works to bore into the crust in the ocean, where the thickness is much less.

Another Link

http://volcano.oregonstate.edu/vwdocs/vwlessons/lessons/Earths_layers/Earths_layers4.html

QuoteThe Earth's Crust is like the skin of an apple.

It is very thin in comparison to the other three layers.

The crust is only about 3-5 miles (8 kilometers) thick under the oceans(oceanic crust) and about 25 miles (32 kilometers) thick under the continents (continental crust).

The temperatures of the crust vary from air temperature on top to about 1600 degrees Fahrenheit (870 degrees Celsius) in the deepest parts of the crust.

You can bake a loaf of bread in your oven at 350 degrees Fahrenheit, at 1600 degrees F. rocks begin to melt.
The crust of the Earth is broken into many pieces called plates.

The plates "float" on the soft, plastic mantle which is located below the crust.

These plates usually move along smoothly but sometimes they stick and build up pressure.

The pressure builds and the rock bends until it snaps.

When this occurs an Earthquake is the result!

Notice how thin the crust of the Earth is in comparison to the other layers.

The seven continents and ocean plates basically float across the mantle which is composed of much hotter and denser material.

So as you can plainly see the thickness in the thinner regions is only about 3-5 miles (8  kilometers)

3 miles is a little short of 4.8 Km !

The diameter of the earth at the equator is 7,926.41 miles (12,756.32 kilometers).

So the Earth's Crust at its thinnest is about 0.00024 % of the Earth's Diameter, very, very thin.

The thickest crust is about 18.6 miles (30 km) 0.004 %  of the Earth's Diameter, very, very thin.

Re the Mantle: Quote;
http://volcano.oregonstate.edu/vwdocs/vwlessons/lessons/Earths_layers/Earths_layers6.html

QuoteThe Mantle

The mantle is the layer located directly under the Sima.

It is the largest layer of the Earth, 1800 miles thick. Which is Not understood Correctly as was mentioned earlier in this Post...

;

http://www.universetoday.com/26750/earths-crust/

QuoteScientists really know very little about internal structure of the Earth.

QuoteThe mantle is composed of very hot, dense rock. This layer of rock even flows like asphalt under a heavy weight.
This flow is due to great temperature differences from the bottom to the top of the mantle.

The movement of the mantle is the reason that the plates of the Earth move!

The temperature of the mantle varies from 1600 degrees Fahrenheit at the top to about 4000 degrees Fahrenheit near the bottom!

"Top to bottom" is referring to the Temperature Range. But they are only guessing !

Note;
The Reason why is because our observations are corrupted by the Earth acting like a large Ball Lens, in that Sound waves behave in very strange ways, and propagate along a very, very, complex paths, depending on the Location and Temperature.

So this is why very very little is known about below the Crust.

There is No certainty that the Earth has in fact a Solid core. The accepted theory is only based on a model that was put forward many years ago... Pure Guess work by Science they themselves admit Quote;

http://www.universetoday.com/26750/earths-crust/

QuoteScientists really know very little about internal structure of the Earth.

Another Link
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_on_earth_is_the_crust_the_thinnest
Quote;

QuoteThe earth's crust is the thinnest under the oceans, where it is seldom more than 5 km thick.

QuoteSuch areas are called as rift zones. Lake Baikal in Siberia has the thinnest crust in the world. The lake itself is 1700 meter deep and has many hot water springs (due to the magma below).

And another Link

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/research/structure/crust/index.php
Quote;

QuoteThis contour map was created directly from the 5 x 5 degree gridded crustal model CRUST 5.1 (Mooney et al., 1998) plus complementary information. An initial contour map was created using the command "grdcontour" in GMT, and the resultant map was adjusted in Adobe Illustrator to honor individual point measurements and newly available information from Russia. The final contour map honors all available seismic refraction measurements for features with a dimension greater than 2 degrees. To a first approximation, the continents and their margins are outlined by the 30 km contour. That portion of the continental interior enclosed by the 40 km contour, and regions with crustal thickness of 45 to 50 km are found on all well surveyed continents (i.e., North and South America, Australia, and Eurasia). Continental crust with a thickness in excess of 50 km is exceedingly rare and accounts for less than 10% of the continental crust. These observations, now available on a global basis, provide important constraints on the evolution of the crust and sub-crustal lithosphere.

(http://earthquake.usgs.gov/research/structure/crust/images/topo.jpg)

QuoteThis contour map of the thickness of the Earth's crust was developed from the CRUST 5.1 model. The contour interval is 10 km; we also include the 45 km contour for greater detail on the continents.

So now lets take a look regarding what little I know.

I have no way of proving this at this stage, but be patient and take a look...

The behavior of the "gooey hot stuff" under the earth's crust and the "Fluid" like contents, a little deeper, behave somewhat like a fluid coupling or Flywheel, regarding the "Flow" of the molten material..

Here is a simple drawing showing what is going on inside your planet.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-YK0Bpdh2GzU/UMFxQw4g6pI/AAAAAAAADNk/60FiqRfKTbQ/s512/The%2520Flow%2520insde%2520the%2520Earth%252001.jpg)

Here is the Key to the Drawing above.

a.   Represents incoming particles decelerated by the Van Allen belts.
b.   Represents incoming particles decelerated by the Van Allen belts.
c.   Where Ultra High velocity Particles entering at the Polls. (Including Neutrons)
d.   Where Ultra High velocity Particles entering at the Polls.   (Including Neutrons)
e.   Shows the direction of flow in the Magma.
f.   The Zones where Atomic mutation takes place. This are is an incredibly intensive
   Magnetic Environment which ca NOT be detected Externally.
MC 1   Is the Northern Primary Magnetic Ring produced by the internal Flow of Magma.
MC 2   Is the Southern Primary Magnetic Ring produced by the internal Flow of Magma.

Because of the environment of extremely high pressures, High Temperatures and subject to a  thermo-electrostatic Environment, the "Flow" of magma as shown in the above Drawing cause two localized magnetic rings to be establish. Similar to the Iron core of a Electromagnetic Toroid.

One Exists in the northern Sector MC1 and another MC2 in the Southern Sector.

These two Electromagnetic Cores, try continuously to come together being attract to each other Magnetically.
The "Flow" keeps these two apart, while at the same time, an extremely powerful magnetic field exists between them. It is in this zone, that "Nuclear Mutation" takes place, involving similar behavior to what takes place within the "Bubble Chamber" in a "Particle Accelerator". The Incoming particles which have entered through the Polar regions at enormous speed, some near the speed of light (according to Scientific evidence) and some even higher, pass through the Earths Crust, as though the Earths crust doesn't even exist. Then  through to the Center of the planet, and then migrate outward in the flow of magma, in the region of the earths equator. They then pass through the above mentioned magnetic field, being flung left or right depending on the particle while neutrons pass straight through.
The particles which are separated while passing through this Intense magnetic field to the Left and right of their initiated trajectory of transit, then collide with other Molecules at very High Temperatures, Velocities in a extremely powerful magnetic environment, contained in another Magnetic field of a  "Spherical Capacitor" produced by the Shape of the Earth, and its "Thermal Differential" between the Center of the Planet and its outer surface. These Particles then collide with other molecules Mutating and adding new Elements to the Interior of the Planet.
As the magma flows out and around, next to the boundary under the earths crust Believed to be the Mantle, magma then leaks out, between the earth's plates and from other vents such as volcanoes.

And this is why we find GOLD in them hills...

This Drawing shows the "High Density Magnetic Field" in RED, and in the location "m" where I have shown an "Outlet" in the form of a mountain.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-P0AZ2WgV0sY/UMFxVsgVhHI/AAAAAAAADNw/STXr_TWxrpQ/s512/The%2520Flow%2520insde%2520the%2520Earth%252002.jpg)

That's right the earth has more than one...  LOL.

The "Primary fields" are produced by the Flow of Magma shown in the 1st. Drawing in this post.

The Magnetic field we all know is in fact the Secondary (Weaker of the two) Magnetic Field.

Science has much to learn about the earth as they know very, very, little at this stage....  LOL.


Here is a Drawing showing the make up of the Earth's Magnetic Fields.

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-vAqy0YdUmxA/UMFxaZm5vbI/AAAAAAAADOA/-p2-i0f_nus/s512/The%2520Flow%2520insde%2520the%2520Earth%252003.jpg)

In ancient times we can find a Symbol that looks like this...

This Symbol of The EARTH ! (well know)   :o   :P   :D

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-nt9OQeJGaRE/UMFxe1RuMLI/AAAAAAAADOM/2DfPNaiKVrg/s100/The%2520Flow%2520insde%2520the%2520Earth%252004.jpg)

I wonder Why?   :D  LOL.