weather upsets

[1Worldwatcher]

What we have here is a "Variables" issue. There are many things too take into consideration, one of which has not been mentioned as of yet for some of the weather displacement issues, which in a nut shell, has been happening since time began and the earliest stages of our planet and any other planet body with in the Cosmos.
Estimates vary, but the USGS says at least 1,000 million grams, or roughly 1,000 tons of material enters the atmosphere every year and makes its way to Earths surface, now these are not exacting number's grant you, but they do supply a great deal of information with both weights distorted and configuration, Earth recycling process , Pressures within the Earth and also Pressures upon the earth.
Cumulatively, and with really no exacting measurements, this becomes a "Approximation" Theory of sorts. Essentially, each and every day our Planets crust is gaining weight, Mass and most of all Tectonic pressure.
With these kind of influxes of a machine that is running on Radioactive center/Core, it is slowly decaying with in its current state of being, just as any other Radioactive thing, the planet is experiencing a "Radioactive Decay" of the natural kind. When radioactive Decay reaches an area of the surface, it there for promulgates the reasons why Scientists can use Radioactive Isotope for measurements, and some may quibble too "How can they Age such things as Dinosaur Fossils accurately?" Well, they don't, it is usually with in a time line of 1-2 Million years (Sometimes maybe 100's or 10's of thousands, depending on what they are discussing), plenty of cushion for error, but not enough to write off the research for approximations once again.
At the very center, it is believed temperatures exceed 11,000 degrees Fahrenheit, hotter than the surface of the sun. But, just as the Sun will do eventually, it will die. Super Nova, as it is called. The earth is going through these same basic principle's due too its inner core being fluctuated as time and stresses are applied.

At the center of the Earth lies a two-part core. "The inner part is about the size of our moon," Marone says, "and has a density of essentially steel." The outer core surrounding it is an ocean of liquid metal 2,300 kilometers thick. The Earth's rotation makes this ocean flow and swirl, and the moving metal generates the planet's magnetic field.

Marone- Penn. State Univ.
Radioactivity is present not only in the mantle, but in the rocks of Earth's crust. For example, Marone explains, a 1-kilogram block of granite on the surface emanates a tiny but measurable amount of heat (about as much as a .000000001 watt light bulb) through radioactive decay.
That may not seem like much. But considering the vastness of the mantle, it adds up, Marone says.
Sometime billions of years in the future, he predicts, the core and mantle could cool and solidify enough to meet the crust. If that happens, Earth will become a cold, dead planet like the moon.

FYI: In 2005 Zorgon had posted a story relating to our weakening Magnetosphere and the strange sciences that were being emitted too our planets surface by Radioactive anomalies unseen by scientists until it or this had happened. If he would supply that particular story, this would be of greater understanding of these chain of events being nothing more than natural by laws of the Universe, all planets and bodies are going through this.

With the Accumulation of Space/Cosmic dust each and every second, the stresses put upon our crustal plains such as Oil Drilling and Mining, or anything remotely associated with these types of events, creates a weaker outer crust on our planet. But the glowing Radioactive orb is still pumping its incredible amount of energy into the machine that allows the earth too recycle itself.(Only  a lot more of it every passing year/day/hour/minute/second.)
Another thing to take into consideration is the fluctuations of the Lunar pulls. We know that the moon is slipping away, ever so slightly as it may be, it is still being tampered with with such things as Glaciation melts and higher tidal influences, as Zorgon has said "These are all natural driving forces that are being seen as Human affiliated." for some strange reason. These are absolutely normal, by Earths standards.

Nothing lasts forever though, and our moon is slowly escaping its Earth orbit. The moon is slowly slipping away from Earth's grasp at a rate of about 1.5 inches per year.  In another two billion years it will have receded so far that it won't be able to keep us steady and we'll have to come up with some other solution.  In the meantime, remember to think of the moon as more than just another attractive feature of the night sky.  It means everything to us!

And being's that Gravity seems too be a very obscure effect that does it all, it too has it's own radiant heat properties to emit as it produces these gravitational effects.

One of my personal main arguments into this debate was "Why don't they see this is nothing more than Natural sciences taking effect and lay off the whole Human activity associated with global warming?" All one has too do is look into the Coffers of the people that started this too see what kind of impact it put on the financial and fundamental situation between mans ideology and thought processing once this was released into the MSM and away it went.
Granted, we as a collective have instituted some very bad thing's with in our atmosphere, but nothing on the order of what the Earth produces itself and what our closest star the Sun emits each and every day. We are getting it from both sides, from under our feet and above our heads, and it won't end any time soon. As we deal with the stresses of our lives, so the Earth must deal with it's own turmoils (As we view them for our benefit of understanding.) and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it as far as the mechanics of the Cosmos, but as a crustal dwelling society, we tend too get over concerned and allocate appropriate actions, just that we can't rely on the PTB too give us proper disclosure's for these event's, apparently not the first time around anyway..

With Utmost Respect,
1Worldwatcher
Marone Quote:
http://phys.org/news62952904.html

Moon Slipping away Quote:
http://www.msad49.org/ljhs/WonWorld/earth's_moon.htm

[1Worldwatcher]

Captain Dave wrote:

There is almost never just one factor, there are always many to consider.

Absolutely correct, love that theology B!!

With Great Respect,
1WW

Edited for wrong User Name quote.

[Captain Dave]

Santa comes from Lapland NOT the North pole.  You guys don't know WTF you are talking about.

Look people, SANTA lives within all of us Equally. He is a spirit and a metaphore for goodness and a real person who's address is his own business. Can't you people just share for crying out loud. (Besides, I rv'd him and you're all wrong he's in the Carribean - I mean Psh, would you want to live in the land of ice and snow for hundreds of years?!).

[Captain Dave]

When comet YU55 passed by it created a wake in space that changed our tradewinds and subsequently our oceanic currents. Yet another factor to add. ( I was on live as it passed by - monitoring changes - and saved this pic. )

( Oh & Thanks 1WW.  )

[1Worldwatcher]

When comet YU55 passed by it created a wake in space that changed our tradewinds and subsequently our oceanic currents. Yet another factor to add. ( I was on live as it passed by - monitoring changes - and saved this pic. )
( Oh & Thanks 1WW.  )

No Problem Capt. Dave well said!!
And for this Trade wind interference, is that the swirling effects we see on the upper or high altitude clouds then? And beings this happened in 2011, wouldn't something like this visual correspondence of the influences of the currents and such have dissipated by now?
Very cool Still of the event!! But, it does play a part in the big picture as it were.

1Worldwatcher

[Captain Dave]

No Problem Capt. Dave well said!!
And for this Trade wind interference, is that the swirling effects we see on the upper or high altitude clouds then? And beings this happened in 2011, wouldn't something like this visual correspondence of the influences of the currents and such have dissipated by now?
Very cool Still of the event!! But, it does play a part in the big picture as it were.

1Worldwatcher

Yes,
You can see by the arrow the path of YU55 as it passed by over head and as a direct result of that path, there appears to have been movement within our own atmosphere as evidenced by the clouds. I called it a "wake in space" for lack of better terminology.

I was monitoring multiple sites when this occurred, but as they say - a picture says a thousand words.

With a "wake" powerful enough to move a large part of the upper atmosphere and shift global trade winds, what would the long term effects be? How long would it take for things to return to normal and/ or would they return to normal or be slightly changed permanently?

Would this change the Earths Axis or Rotation even slightly?

This all occurred in 2011 and shortly after I noticed that the trade winds in the pacific ring of fire area and over the US shifted to the south quite a bit. I did some further checking and it turns out that the trade winds affected the oceanic currents as well.

Sorry, but I didn't save any of that data though I'm sure it's still out there on the net.

I suspect this event created a domino effect in many ways but can't say whether the domino's are still falling. So as to whether things have "returned to normal" I really couldn't say.

It may be a very small percentage of change, but when added with all other factors creates a larger cumulative change .

(Sorry, been writing music and haven't kept up with my science snooping.)   

[robomont]

come on guys ,really?
a ton of ash per year over even a million years wont make a difference.
this planet is huge.
the heat from the core is nothing.
earth is heated by the sun.

[1Worldwatcher]

come on guys ,really?

Hi Robo, and "REALLY" it is the dynamic of our planet, it is not a free floating static structure, it is forever changing right under your feet "Didn't know that?" "REALLY?" LOL 

a ton of ash per year over even a million years wont make a difference.

I think you may have read that wrong, it is a 1000 tonnes of debris every year, could be as high as 100K depending on the current cosmic activities though, there is variance from one too the other , but this is fact and also implores different stresses with in a perpetual recycling machine as well. More debris, same machine, more work. 

his planet is huge.

Well, I would beg too differ, but it is OK, do some research, you will find many much much larger, and the dynamics of earth are played with in every planet with in the Galaxy, just different weights and processes, under same principle of course, provided they have Tectonic shift and movements under their associated crustal plains.

the heat from the core is nothing.

11,000 F* is nothing, over billions of years with accumulated debris and in active moments with in our Magnetosphere at times, well, you really, really need to do a bit more research Robo. But, then again, if you are replying just to pass your own ideologies and theories across boundaries, understood. But terribly terribly wrong for the science involved Robo....

earth is heated by the sun.

And Gravitational friction, Magnetosphere failure moments, Magma flows and Tectonic shifts (Associated with Gravitational Friction) Lunar implied forces and dissipation of radioactivity of our central core (Radioactive Decay) it is all part of the whole machine, just like your involvement with the EG/Warp drive thread, many facilitated interferences too consider, all there, all "REAL" and very easy to access by way of research and deductive reasoning. Not too mention of the stresses caused by Glaciation melt off and poles being exposed to create even more of an issue with none reflective Sun shine issues, becomes a 'Solar Panel' if you will, collecting heat, not reflecting it any longer.
The wheel is spinning, as it has done for eon's but 'Spinning' too a slightly different tune compared to the yester years.

With Respect,
1Worldwatcher

[The Matrix Traveller]

the heat from the core is nothing.

We are a hell of a lot closer to the "Core" of the Earth, than the Sun...   

Its Not so much the Temperature. but Rather the Flow of Energy.

That Red and Hot SH%& under our feet, Melts Rock like candle wax.

http://www.universetoday.com/65627/how-hot-is-the-core-of-the-earth/#ixzz2E712NPBm

It's down in this inner core where you'd find the hottest part of Earth. Scientists have estimated that the temperature of the core reaches 5,700 kelvin (5,430 °C; 9,800 °F)

But remember they have no way of actually measuring it directly and can only Guess using Math. within their understanding, or lack of knowledge... 

I Suspect the temperature is far far higher.

But as I said it has more to do with the Flow of Energy rather than Temperature.

Depends on how fast Energy is being generated by many different factors.
Friction for one (Caused by tidal affects within the Inner Earth's Magma)
Another is Gravity. Another is The Rotation of magma internally as the Earth Rotates.


Try standing in an active Volcano...   

It Blo$% Hot alright....      

Elements and Compounds are formed inside the Earth, and spat out through Vents... 

That's why we find Gold around them Mountains and trenches between the Tectonic Plates.

Oil is harvested along trenches or near trenches, between Tectonic Plates. (Cheaper to Harvest in these areas, Not so deep to go.    )

Gasses which form our atmosphere, also comes from vents both on land and under the Sea.

[robomont]

well the russians supposedly drilled a well,real deep.
they found rubble and water.
this water was not hot enough to boil off.
my dog doesnt like to sleep on frozen ground and we seem to get alot of that in the winter.
so whats earth heating up?
sure aint tbe surface of the planet.
bottom of the ocean.maybe at a fault vent.
the rest of the bottom of the ocean is frigid.
so i still say the core cooling wont make much difference if any?
it may prevent earthquakes some.

i was under the understanding that it was one ton per year.

i was also thinking it was two million years not two billion years till the moon leaves,that will be an extinction level event.

[1Worldwatcher]

robomont wrote:

i was also thinking it was two million years not two billion years till the moon leaves,that will be an extinction level event.

Our Moon will not cause such an 'extinction level' event if it were to be hurled away from earth, nothing would happen like that, we would just have darker nights and lesser tidal flows.

1WW

[robomont]

tidal flowes effect sea shore evaporation rates.
without them our coast line would get less rain.
this would effect in country humidity causing less rain in the interior.
drought would be a regular thing for the interior.
only food resources for the animals will be along the shoreline coastal habitat.
no math to back it up ,just some show i saw on pbs ,produced by nova.

[The Matrix Traveller]

In NZ we have one of the thinnest areas of Crust in the world.

No Russians Drilling here.

In our largest Lake Hot water and gas comes up through geothermal vents !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Taupo








Not far from where I live, we can cook in the ground without adding any energy at all.

There are also areas the ground is too hot to walk on, so hot in fact, it would burn your boots off.

[robomont]

that may be what its like living next door to the ring of fire but the rest of the world is pretty cold hard dirt.
now deep in the oil wells its very warm.
the diameter of the core verses the planet makes the heat verses surface area is very weak.
the sun puts out more btus per square foot on the earths surface.

and for my last example.
the poles are closer to the core so they should be way hotter than the equator region.
kinda cool at the poles.

[1Worldwatcher]

tidal flowes effect sea shore evaporation rates.
without them our coast line would get less rain.
this would effect in country humidity causing less rain in the interior.
drought would be a regular thing for the interior.
only food resources for the animals will be along the shoreline coastal habitat.
no math to back it up ,just some show i saw on pbs ,produced by nova.

Seasons would be dictated, not by time of year, but by your particular latitude on the Earth. There would be a belt around the equator where it always felt like summer. At mid-latitudes it would always feel like spring or autumn, and in the extreme latitudes we would have winter all year around. This would have significant effects on weather systems, circulation patterns etc.

Without the Moon, there would be no change in the length of the day due to the tidal friction between the Earth and Moon.

1WW