Why should Disclosure occur sooner rather than later?
1) Political and Economic Unity are failing rapidly - as said in Macbeth, "if 'tis done, tis best done quickly'. Spain is falling apart with the Catalonia Secession movement getting serious, Portugal is losing its police and army to the mob and Greece's tax collectors are on strike.
If the US Goverment fails to deliver the goodies ( $), the nation could break up into anarchy. Read ZeroHedge today and find out why Social Security will go under twenty years ahead of schedule.
Disclosure needs to take place while governance still prevails, not amidst screams of 'invasion' by panicked crowds, desperate for food and supplies. The US realized this in WW2 by preserving the authority of the Emperor in Imperial Japan -rather than treating him as a war criminal. We are running out of time......
2) Loss of the Mainstream Media - newspapers and magazines are dying off and being replaced by the internet, for better or worse. Disclosure is needed before this centrality of information collapses into the disunity of the blogosphere.
3) Obama - yes, Obama! He has the opportunity to be the greatest, most famous President in history by making the greatest announcement by a world leader: We Are Not Alone. If not him, then his successor will be faced with this huge temptation.
Obama already blew his chance, as he already stated emphatically that 'ET' doesn't exist within their radar....even though nearly all of the countries south of US have already disclosed the knowledge.
The 'shadow guv' made agreements with some of the interlopers, and they can't really just come out and admit that they have sold us out to foreign entities earthly or not...
Its all part of the big bullshit game...
If Obama can move the country away from supporting Israel, I think he can move us in the right direction towards disclosure.
There's two other motivations: By Disclosure, he can begin to wipe out religious hate/war everywhere on earth.
Quote from: IRCyborg on September 25, 2012, 09:53:57 PM
Obama already blew his chance, as he already stated emphatically that 'ET' doesn't exist within their radar....even though nearly all of the countries south of US have already disclosed the knowledge.
The 'shadow guv' made agreements with some of the interlopers, and they can't really just come out and admit that they have sold us out to foreign entities earthly or not...
Its all part of the big bullpoop game...
What *I* want to know is why these ET's We were "sold" to think that anyOne but the Individual has any right to make choices for said Individual. THEY (the Humans who "sold" Us) don't have that right.
Amongst the obvious reasons for and against the "disclosure" we have to ask..is there anything they can disclose?
How do we know our gubmint has sold us out at all...could they be as clueless as many of us are, and why would any self respecting ET race make any pacts with such a ridiculous dysfunctional leadership as we have here.
If I were them i would actually make the connection with some of the more common sense nations and then allow them to pick the USA's bones after the takeover or invasion or whatever happens.
In addition to thinking we are the end all of greatness on this planet, we have failed to see we are probably the worst choice for ambassadors to new arrivals.
Dont be surprised if soon the rest of the world gets fixed up by ET, and the US gets scuttled for parts.
And, dont even mention the religious complications of the Vatican losing their iron grip on the western civilization.
Theyll act like a little girl deprived of it's barbie doll, and lash out in a many fingered hand of doom.
And the bankers...well they will have their own form of delusional rebelliousness.
Id have to say disclosure isnt something anyone wants hidden any longer, and if it happens, us here in the US will witness something we cant even fathom.
Still, Id like to hear it from the president or another gubmint entity, as the capitol burns in the window behind them.
ET come and save us! LOL!
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx89q2shaZ1qic8pr.jpg)
I dont think he will look this cute......
Littleenki
We are the interesting ones, and each and every one of us carries a spark within that many of these 'ETs' lost long ago. They come here to learn from us.
We are the Gift, and this planet we share with our friends and families is the most beautiful and most diverse sphere in the Cosmos.
I know it doesn't seem like that too often when there seems to be war on every front and little but desolation and bloodshed on the TV set but all of that is an illusion to hide who were really are from ourselves.
We don't need any interlopers to help us work out our difficulties. We don't need their shiny technologies. We don't need a goddamned thing from them whatsoever...
All we need is Love. Love starts from within, and radiates outward...and that was the message they received from those extra-solar planets so far away. Most of them simply don't have it any longer and they want to learn...so they watch us.
Want to know how share the Cosmos with our extra-solar friends in waiting? Learn to Love yourself, so that you may learn how to Love your neighbor...and when that kind of Love spreads it will spread across this planet like a rejuvenating wildfire.
In fact, it is our only hope.... No need to wait around for shiny discs or triangles in the skies to initiate the changes we need to become a Galactic civilization.
Love,
your neighbor.
Hey IR, love back at ya!!
True Love is the way, and some days its hard to feel it for my fellow man, but as it is the only way to heal the heart..I make room for it!
ET wont be a problem especially if they have to come so far to mess with us, eh?
I hope we can get back to where mankind was before the great cataclysm and the last precession. When Khem was able to be so balanced and the constellations went through exactly the same eliptical, we had a perfect world, but now the off kilter ways of our planet have infected the people who live on it. And the endless quest for agriculture has dominated our efforts for a very long time.
For me, I try to balance Love with tolerance for those I cannot find love for..seems to work pretty good so far!
Really, as the sun releases its supply of life giving goodness, we have a long road ahead full of hope...and it seems recently those alike us have taken that road with confidence as a niche society..we need to convince the rest of the wolrd, were on the right path, eh?
ET or not, we do have the capability to be the humans we were many millenia ago, and rebuild this planet with the right set of plans.
Cheers!
Le
Disclosure
1) IF the government truly DOESN'T know what is going on, then there is nothing to disclose. The problem is no one will believe them if they say there is nothing to disclose
2)IF the government truly DOES have something to disclose, then they will have to keep that secret because if they reveal one secret, regular people will then say "what ELSE have you kept from us?"
So in either case...
THERE WILL BE NO DISCLOSURE PERIOD
::)
The Governments are between a rock and a hard place I guess. :D
Sadly NO DISCLOSURE !
There is a 3rd case.... Some Alien Civilization is Preventing Gov. from disclosing ?
But the result will be the same unless the present situation changes... :D
i.e. If leaked bit by bit by some who are in the know....
Perhaps disclosure is on a personal basis for those who truly seek it with pure intent, sort of what Dr. Greer teaches. Conversely, for some it seems to happen against their will. Lou Baldin states ET's are in control, that disclosure won't happen unless they approve.
What if one species approves of disclosure while another doesn't, and disclosure is a result of a battle that can no longer be hidden from the masses. Or, maybe humans do something stupid and they are directed to intervene! (Ha, 'maybe'..LOL) :)
QuotePerhaps disclosure is on a personal basis for those who truly seek it with pure intent,
sort of what Dr. Greer teaches.
Category (A)
QuoteConversely, for some it seems to happen against their will.
Category (B)
Maybe both Categories exist ?
QuoteWhat if one species approves of disclosure while another doesn't, and disclosure
is a result of a battle that can no longer be hidden from the masses.
Now that is possible... :D
The thing that has always really annoyed me about "Disclosure," is the implicit meaning of the term. The implied scenario is a President giving a televised speech, in which he makes official what everyone else already knows. Why do we need that?
Quote from: Primus58 on September 26, 2012, 06:59:33 AM
Perhaps disclosure is on a personal basis for those who truly seek it with pure intent,
"Disclosure" to people in the conspiracy world means only one thing. A Government announcement that Aliens are real and we have been dealing with them. NOTHING else would be accepted :D
Knowledge on a personal level is not disclosure... it is simply knowing the truth. whether by experience (abduction, close encounter) or by channeling (but you might have channeled LOKI :P) or by hard research. You may know for sure they are out there, but unless you can produce one your in the same boat as the government... knowing the truth but not being able to talk about it and be believed
You want Disclosure?
To THIS man you listen, yes? Hmmmm?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8xOyGBeUls
sort of what Dr. Greer teaches. Conversely, for some it seems to happen against their will. Lou Baldin states ET's are in control, that disclosure won't happen unless they approve.
QuoteWhat if one species approves of disclosure while another doesn't, and disclosure is a result of a battle that can no longer be hidden from the masses.
Or, maybe humans do something stupid and they are directed to intervene! (Ha, 'maybe'..LOL) :)
Quote from: petrus4 on September 26, 2012, 08:23:19 AMThe implied scenario is a President giving a televised speech, in which he makes official what everyone else already knows. Why do we need that?
So we can have DISCLOSURE :P
And so we can look at the skeptics and say NEENER NEENER TOLD YA SO :P
Quote from: zorgon on September 26, 2012, 10:11:58 AM
So we can have DISCLOSURE :P
And so we can look at the skeptics and say NEENER NEENER TOLD YA SO :P
I do have one person in mind I'd love to undergo an anal probe quite a few times. :D
Quote from: Littleenki on September 26, 2012, 04:06:58 AM
How do we know our gubmint has sold us out at all...could they be as clueless as many of us are, and why would any self respecting ET race make any pacts with such a ridiculous dysfunctional leadership as we have here.
I heard a comment the other day from someone that has been as close to the Government UFO scene as possible. (Yes I will make a thread soon)
He told about the Iranian(Tehran) UFO incident... That was the documented case where jets were disabled and then turned back on...
What he said that made me stop and rethink my position was this.
"I know of beam weapons that we have that can turn OFF a jet, however I am unaware of any that we have that can turn them back on"
Think about that and I will do that thread tomorrow (I am also waiting for the tape to do a proper transcript so I don't misquote anyone )
It's never going to happen.
Obama is not going to drop support for israel sine it was those same jewish wall street bankers who put him there (with help from Hillary) and he's definitely not going to disclose the ET agenda, that's assuming he knows the full story, which i doubt.
They want this recession to happen, they want us on our knees so we will agree to all those draconian measures they have in store. As regards to 'doing something while we still have government' i think it's already gone too far for that.
I think we should tear it down & start again.....
Not that i am promoting active resistance, we don't need to, it will come down on it's own.
What we need to be doing is promoting a free energy, self sufficient culture, based on resources and not little green bits of paper. The frontline of this renaissance is technology and disclosure, those 2 things we need to do ourselves, not wait for some gov. to do it for us (because that's never going to happen)
QuoteHow do we know our gubmint has sold us out at all...could they be as clueless as many of us are, and why would any self respecting ET race make any pacts with such a ridiculous dysfunctional leadership as we have here.
Right,and the way things are going, we probably know more than they do already LOL
My main concern is that Earth is still full of rich pickings (especially water) and the only thing that's spoiling it are those pesky humans on the surface...
Maybe ET wants to send the gardeners in, but they have to wait for our military-industrial complex to collapse first.
QuoteAnd, dont even mention the religious complications of the Vatican losing their iron grip on the western civilization.
Theyll act like a little girl deprived of it's barbie doll, and lash out in a many fingered hand of doom.
They probably will :(
The gov. cannot disclose anything, it's their last grip on power, and they will never give that up...
Quote"Disclosure" to people in the conspiracy world means only one thing. A Government announcement that Aliens are real and we have been dealing with them. NOTHING else would be accepted
Knowledge on a personal level is not disclosure... it is simply knowing the truth. whether by experience (abduction, close encounter) or by channeling (but you might have channeled LOKI ) or by hard research. You may know for sure they are out there, but unless you can produce one your in the same boat as the government... knowing the truth but not being able to talk about it and be believed
Yep, that's about right ;)
Can't wait to see that thread Z!
Amici, Just a kind of rhetorical question: why hi-tech Advanced Guys would be needed to sign up any contracts w/ politicians? :o disclosure is impossible because politicians, cia, pentagon, $-clans & so on have known Nothing about Ancient Brothers :P no one even can prove their existence ::)
Quote from: SarK0Y on September 26, 2012, 02:01:53 PM
Amici, Just a kind of rhetorical question: why hi-tech Advanced Guys would be needed to sign up any contracts w/ politicians? :o disclosure is impossible because politicians, cia, pentagon, $-clans & so on have known Nothing about Ancient Brothers :P no one even can prove their existence ::)
Ding Ding Ding!
Gold for that Sarkoy!
Le
Quote from: SarK0Y on September 26, 2012, 02:01:53 PM
:o disclosure is impossible because politicians, cia, pentagon, $-clans & so on have known Nothing about Ancient Brothers :P no one even can prove their existence ::)
If true that would make it impossible for them to disclose. That doesn't mean nobody can prove it. :)
Quote from: zorgon on September 26, 2012, 11:08:13 AM
"I know of beam weapons that we have that can turn OFF a jet, however I am unaware of any that we have that can turn them back on"
Such a 'beam' is nothing special and does not imply that such a device is ET made or shared.
It is rather simple to create a directed EMP device and you don't need much more than some neo-mags, some copper wire and some li-pol batteries.
We figured out what an EMP could do in '45 in Alamagordo. Old hat...
That is for a 'beam' that can stop electronics from working....
....a beam that can turn them back on, well that would be one heck of a trick. ;)
Quote from: IRCyborg on September 26, 2012, 05:05:36 PM
Such a 'beam' is nothing special and does not imply that such a device is ET made or shared.
Didn't say it was ET... he said it was ours and yes its old hat
Quote....a beam that can turn them back on, well that would be one heck of a trick. ;)
THAT was his point
Quote from: Pimander on September 26, 2012, 03:08:40 PM
If true that would make it impossible for them to disclose. That doesn't mean nobody can prove it. :)
Pimander, if Time is only 1D Space, we can prove their existence because of Artifacts like GPs. but some theories have called Time as HD Space, therefor we can have paradox of
causes & consequences(effects). ;)
ADD: even Time is really 1D Space, but two-way -- paradox been possible too.
"I beseech thee in the bowels of Christ, think it possible ye may be mistaken".
First, if there are 57 different flavors of aliens ( is it up to over 200 now?), then making a deal with one or two doesn't mean much.
Second, think about Competitive Disclosure: if you're a US leader, do you want the US to be number 2, 3, or 4 on disclosing ET existence? And maybe losing out on being the contact nation or 'go to' guys for alien interface?
Should the US goverment simply allow more and more credible authorities - scientists, ranking military or the like coming forward to establish the reality of this situation - with Federal authorities pretending it isn't happening?
American hegemony is breaking down, as can be seen from the recent conduct of China, Russia and even Iran. How much longer will they be willing to keep the lid on this situation?
Culturally, I don't see that India and China have much problem with disclosure. China is about half atheist and India just tacks ET's onto the Hindu pantheon.
Take a good look at today's news: Europe is coming apart with street violence. Time is running out for doing disclosure in the midst of stable authority.
And Israel? Perhaps some on this board are familiar with the recent rumor that US intelligence agencies and think tank experts are circulating a document that speaks of preparing for a "post Israel Middle East". This dovetails with what Obama is doing in distancing the country from Israel. The Zionist bankers aren't in charge any more and if you believe that the recent coincidence of Middle east violence was triggered to push on Obama, it's failed. The polls say so.
In one bold move, the President could change everything..... permanently.
Quote from: zorgon on September 26, 2012, 10:11:58 AM
So we can have DISCLOSURE :P
And so we can look at the skeptics and say NEENER NEENER TOLD YA SO :P
I will admit that being able to rub skeptics' noses in it would be highly enjoyable, if equally petty and juvenile. ;)
Quote from: petrus4 on September 26, 2012, 10:36:12 PM
I will admit that being able to rub skeptics' noses in it would be highly enjoyable, if equally petty and juvenile. ;)
Or even use one of these on them....(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100506055640/southpark/images/d/dd/CartmanGetsanAnalProbe21.gif)
Personally, disclosure would be welcome in my house...should I put on some coffee?
Le
Sooner Rather Than Later?
Nope...
Never.
Various reasons for reluctance have been put forth throughout the years -
Collapse of religion, economy, public panic and chaos were good props to make a great sky is falling case against disclosure by those in charge.
Zorgon has mentioned how technology advances are NEVER voluntarily disclosed, even on earth made technologies, let alone ones as advanced as these.
I submit the real reason is the weapons capability both from those found on- board the craft, as well as the weapons capability of the fuel.
We have enough in our possession to crack the planet in 1/2.
Disclosure will never come voluntarily in our lifetime.
p.s. the POTUS does not have the clearance to disclose anything.
They are all treated like office temps (which they are), whose opinion counts for nothing. They will soon be gone from the stage while the lifers continue their lifelong duties and projects of interplanetary matters.
Congressman Steven Schiff thought he would have a go at them, but he suddenly wound up quite ill and six feet under.
Well there actually WAS a bit of real disclosure at that Lecture... and if I ever get time I will post it :P
But seriously... I am waiting for a copy of the video John's friend took that night and a copy of the entire event so I can
a) quote correctly and not from memory
b) have the proof they did say it :D
But I will outline a few key points I found very revealing...
Sorry but patience... to much other stuff going on to focus. But it will be soon I promise
Aaw, I typed a darn post and it disappeared, when I went to look Zorgon's post come up and I thought I'm sure I'm not Zorgon.
Quote from: biggles on September 27, 2012, 06:03:33 AM
Aaw, I typed a darn post and it disappeared,
When two people post at the same time you will see a pink warning at the top of your post that reads Warning someone posted while you were typing...
So always take a minute to see if that post actually went ahead and you don't have the pink bar
Also the forum is set by default to allow cached posts. That means as long as you have the tab open you can use the back button to recover your post
Ooooh, I see, thanks Z. :)
QuoteAlso the forum is set by default to allow cached posts. That means as long as you have the tab open you can use the back button to recover your post
Doesn't always seem to work for me, but for long posts i type everything first in Notepad & then copy & paste it. That allows me to check for typo's etc. :D
"Disclosure will never happen voluntarily"
Who said it was voluntary? It will be forced by the circumstances that I've described. The government will get ahead of the trend or look like fools after it's exposed by other people or nations. They won't have a choice.
Add to this discussion the fact that UFO sightings have exploded around the world. A huge increase. Are the Aliens pushing the envelope? I'd say so.
Has anyone considered that Obama's behavior might guided by the fact that he 'knows'? He might not be the Manchurian Muslim Candidate that conservatives are appalled at - he could know that all this Yahweh versus Allah stuff is just noise that will shortly pass away.
Quote from: Eighthman on September 27, 2012, 02:28:42 PM
Has anyone considered that Obama's behavior might guided by the fact that he 'knows'? He might not be the Manchurian Muslim Candidate that conservatives are appalled at - he could know that all this Yahweh versus Allah stuff is just noise that will shortly pass away.
Well if Obama doesn't know, Bill and Hilary probably did, and somebody/thing shut them up..
http://www.hillaryclintonufo.net/hillarysufofiles.html (http://www.hillaryclintonufo.net/hillarysufofiles.html)
Good point. Obama must know but can't disclose without backup.
Consider what a diplomatic/political disadvantage this puts on the US.
Any nation that feels so inclined can go Full Disclosure - and in the case of China and India, it doesn't affect their religious culture much.
I am interested in any accounts from contactees that testify to Alien determination to disclose, as in 'get it done or we will'. I think Boylan has said this about next year. Some channelers say it too, but they say anything.....
LOL...Just watched a TIVO of a new show on ABC,"The Neighbors"...about a bunch of ET's living in a housing development...Whe the human neighbors find out about them, the wife says "Shouldn't we call the police, doesn't Obaama need to know about this"....
I may be inviting, to be executed, but I will say this anyway !
Has anyone ever considered that it may NOT be the Government's who are responsible
for the Censorship regarding "Disclosure", and that this may be controlled rather,
by some Alien Species having an active interest in the human species, which is NOT acceptable
to other or more advance "Alien Species".
Perhaps Governments are Terrified to violate "Agreements" (Treaties) with some Alien Species.
We can trace Alien "Interference" with the "Human Species", back some 5 to 6,000 years ago,
involving "Interbreeding" as ancient writings or records may suggest.
Do you really think this stopped ?
Or is the "Interbreeding Program" still carrying on today ? But being kept secret,
through "Terrifying Intimidation Tactics", by some Undesirable "Alien Species".
If you were a political leader, and these Aliens informed you and swore you to secrecy,
demanding you sensor such information regarding their activities on Earth, or they will vapourise
your planet in seconds.
Do you think you would simply laugh at them ?
I don't think so.
Perhaps social relationships off the Earth, in this sector of this Universe (Involving 2
intersecting Galaxies One of which is the Milky Way Galaxy) are not exactly peaceful ? :-X
To some we might be just a source of food, to others Sport, as in hunting, to others
experimental subjects, and others more benevolent toward us, and others at WAR
with those who Violated more acceptable social behaviour in this Universe.
Afterall, we also hunt other Animals to eat, Hunt in the name of Sport, and murder our own species
in WAR against each other.
How can any of us judge these things, while we live in Ignorance ?
Not only have I considered it... I give it highest probability.
I can't find my other post about Alien Unity but I have some objections to various ET theories.
ET efforts appear to be unified or coordinated generally - otherwise Disclosure would happen at the whim of any one of them. This would also be consistent with psychic ability or telepathy existing amidst them. Not everyone considers what such ability implies.
If you like DTESS so much, I would consider that it bespeaks an overall alien unity, not this Reptiloid vs Pleadian stuff.
One critical question you bring up: what the heck do we have that they could possibly want, that eludes their manufacturing abilities? "Souls"? Consciousness? Some genetic material?
We're food? Chicken farmers do a better job of managing a feedlot. We've got pollution, spewing radiation , disease and starvation.
If I was an ET, I wouldn't touch a hamberger made of people. You don't know what might be in it. This starts to sound like the rumors of cannibalism that always come up whenever two foreign cultures make contact. African miners were wary about canned goods in the Company store when they saw black faces ( Uncle Ben, etc.) on the labels.
Those Europeans put your uncle in a can, bro. ........ sure is tasty, though.
You gotta come up with something irreproduceable - and that's hard to fathom if they're zillions of years ahead of us.
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on October 22, 2012, 03:55:13 AM
I may be inviting, to be executed, but I will say this anyway !
Has anyone ever considered that it may NOT be the Government's who are responsible
for the Censorship regarding "Disclosure", and that this may be controlled rather,
by some Alien Species having an active interest in the human species, which is NOT acceptable
to other or more advance "Alien Species".
Perhaps Governments are Terrified to violate "Agreements" (Treaties) with some Alien Species.
We can trace Alien "Interference" with the "Human Species", back some 5 to 6,000 years ago,
involving "Interbreeding" as ancient writings or records may suggest.
Do you really think this stopped ?
Or is the "Interbreeding Program" still carrying on today ? But being kept secret,
through "Terrifying Intimidation Tactics", by some Undesirable "Alien Species".
If you were a political leader, and these Aliens informed you and swore you to secrecy,
demanding you sensor such information regarding their activities on Earth, or they will vapourise
your planet in seconds.
Do you think you would simply laugh at them ?
I don't think so.
Perhaps social relationships off the Earth, in this sector of this Universe (Involving 2
intersecting Galaxies One of which is the Milky Way Galaxy) are not exactly peaceful ? :-X
To some we might be just a source of food, to others Sport, as in hunting, to others
experimental subjects, and others more benevolent toward us, and others at WAR
with those who Violated more acceptable social behaviour in this Universe.
Afterall, we also hunt other Animals to eat, Hunt in the name of Sport, and murder our own species
in WAR against each other.
How can any of us judge these things, while we live in Ignorance ?
That is how see it almost to a tee.
The "almost" comes down to my personal belief based on little mind you... that there are good folke fighting the battle from both sides.
One VERY interesting aspect i have been watching is WHY BURMA is suddenly doing what they do and today I read that the Phillipines want in with Oz Mil security. That area of the world has backflipped overnight :o
Interesting....
I'm wondering why so many bankers, rockstars & politicians just bought a farm in the southern hemisphere
??? ::)
Why southern hemisphere? I thought Ed Dames Killshot group said only a few folks would survive - by living in the northern hemisphere.
That's one of the things i would like to ask them ;)
Another reason for Disclosure sooner than later: the Internet.
We all walk around with a neat, manageable picture of reality in our heads. We have reliable laws of physics. Logic prevails. ....... but suppose that image has always been false?
The internet comes along and rips the MSM's view of reality apart. Mostly BS, of course, yet not always.
A newer, crazier view emerges. Disclosure is declared as an improvement over the chaos.
I'll make a disclosure. Most of the UFO's in the popular imagination are nothing to do with aliens. The real possible alien craft have gone largely unreported and the President and politicians know practically nothing about it so what will they disclose?
I am not certain about this claim regarding Bentwaters, Rendlesham Forest, Tehran and one or two others. Mostly though, what I say above looks to be the size of it based on my research.
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on October 22, 2012, 09:05:15 PM
Interesting....
I'm wondering why so many bankers, rockstars & politicians just bought a farm in the southern hemisphere
??? ::)
You don't need to be psychic to be able to see the direction America is currently headed in, socially and politically speaking; or the national condition in which said trajectory is likely to end. ;)
UFO ?
UAF ?
UAS ?
and
IAS.
Then there are some who want to give disclosure but can't !
Quote from: petrus4 on October 25, 2012, 07:09:01 PM
You don't need to be psychic to be able to see the direction America is currently headed in, socially and politically speaking; or the national condition in which said trajectory is likely to end. ;)
Which part of the southern hemisphere. I dont want them where we live thank you; scurrying like rats on a sinking ship to save their own hides where we are, no thanks.
As to politicians, the record on Bill and Hillary is pretty solid. I'd say they 'know' but can't prove it and fear getting shot if they did. There was a strange report in the past couple weeks that Bill said Roswell had an alien artifact while giving a speech to investors in Asia. The report vanished of course.
Jimmy Carter couldn't get a straight answer about it. Reagan kicked around the idea in a speech to the UN.
Obama? MSM reported that Will Smith's son asked about ET's and the President replied with 'I can neither confirm nor deny'.
I think the US is the hold out especially relative to India, China and Brazil.
Also, polls show things have changed since the Brookings report. I think syncretism could act as a shock absorber in Disclosure...... dude, maybe Jesus was a spaceman and it's all OK.
Quote from: Eighthman on October 26, 2012, 01:57:43 AM
...... dude, maybe Jesus was a spaceman and it's all OK.
In which case he isn't God. :P
I'm not convinced the President is in the know, but I'm open to the possibility.
If the president was a true elected person he should get a breifing on all top secrete plans going on. It might take a few months to go over them all but just the high lights in the first few days.
If the president is a puppet put there by TPTB then the breifing goes like this. "OK, go put a smile on your face and do what we tell you to do. Breifing closed.
I guess it all depends on how Black the projects are to begin with. If they are a seperate branch of the service then he will never be told. He has no power over them. Someday after it is too late we might know what is really going on.
The ball is in play and no one has the rule book. The president is no longer the ref.
Deuem
Well if it is even half true that Obama went through the jump room then he would have to know most of what's going on re: ET and ufos.
Ofcourse he bloody does. ::)
I've heard very conservative theories that Earth is the only planet in the universe with any kind of life. I've also heard from the followers of those theories that UFOs are the work of the devil. On the other end of the spectrum, I've heard the theories of bodies at Roswell, recurrent abductions, hybrid breeding programs, and ETs living on Earth in disguise. I think the gov't, in general knows more than it's telling. It may be that a samaller coverup has grown to enormous prportions over the years, and there's no good way to let that herd of cats out of the bag. Weapons potential is probably a factor in that. Just my opinion.
Shasta
Now you're talking. Whatever Matrix or illusion we've been living in, it's unraveling. This includes politics and the global economy. I feel that the emergence of the internet is a big reason why.
TPTB is running out of ability to keep a lid on all of it. Logically, they have two options:
Trigger WW3 to keep it all covered up and people too terrified to think or call it quits. They 've been desperately trying to create a false flag situation (see Gywneth Todd, for example) or some situation that keeps them in control. It isn't working and I suspect ET's (as with nuclear missile incidents) may have a hand in this. The Israelis absolutely need WW3 because they have no real interest in a two state solution and they face an Apartheid situation of 'one man, one vote' otherwise. If they knew about 9/11 before it happened, then this pushes them towards desperation as well. Too many credible people are questioning the MSM on this subject.
The above doesn't even include the mind-numbing slow motion meltdown of the global economy.
What they have or whatever they know about is going to come out. Individuals will do it and nations will do it. Disruptive technologies emerge when cabals break down and lose control.
The internet is certainly faster than the Pony Express at getting information from one person to another. It's also faster at spreading disinformation, or even just plain mistakes. I remember when Mrs. Martinez had us play "gossip" in history class. The phrase she whispered to "person one," was, "Paul Revere was a sissy. He wore polka-dot underwear." The phrase repeated by a bewildered "person thirty-two," was, "Mickey Mouse rode with Paul Revere." I think the lesson was that information changes as it's passed from one person to another. Although that was a rather drastic change.
Shasta
Quote from: Pimander on October 26, 2012, 06:35:21 PM
In which case he isn't God. :P
I'm not convinced the President is in the know, but I'm open to the possibility.
Although I do not claim to have a large degree of knowledge about this subject, (it simply not being a primary area of interest for me, I will admit) the UFO issue has had a tendency to be at least peripherally related to things that I have looked at over the last two decades or so, which I did find of genuine relevance.
What I have seen, implies that Truman was the last President with necessary clearance to have full information about UFOs. There is a further implication that quite a large clandestine, or "black," authoritative hierarchy exists, that the majority of it is below the proverbial waterline of public visibility, and that the Presidency merely constitutes the publically visible tip of the entire iceberg, to use that analogy.
As previously mentioned, there have been vague insinuations that Bill Clinton in particular, attempted to be more inquisitive regarding the UFO issue than might be considered prudent for a President. There have also been suggestions that the reason behind the Kennedy assassination, was that John Kennedy was threatening disclosure; although I consider such to be highly unlikely. Kennedy was probably the last President in office with a notable, publically held degree of personal integrity; and especially given the paranoid nature of those times, that alone would have been more than enough to warrant his death in general terms, in the minds of certain parties.
OK, but that means you don't buy into stories about Eisenhower and ET's meeting.
An RV guy (I think it was McMoneagle) came up with the most sensible reason why Kennedy was murdered. He was perceived as reckless and a danger to everyone. He offended the Federal Reserve, the CIA, and the Mafia and the FBI. He capped this off with the Cuban Missile Crisis which came MUCH closer to ending the world than the MSM reports.
Quote from: Eighthman on October 27, 2012, 07:52:03 PM
OK, but that means you don't buy into stories about Eisenhower and ET's meeting.
I don't. It may have happened but is probably nonsense.
Quote from: Eighthman on October 27, 2012, 07:52:03 PMAn RV guy (I think it was McMoneagle) came up with the most sensible reason why Kennedy was murdered. He was perceived as reckless and a danger to everyone. He offended the Federal Reserve, the CIA, and the Mafia and the FBI.
Exactly. There are so many potential perpetrators with a motive that I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI big wigs were relieved and left it alone. Whoever actually pulled the trigger could have been working for any of the above.
If ET's are planning Disclosure, they might have to hurry. Europe is headed for anarchy and collapse. There are specific reports about an emergency Bilderberg meeting in Rome - Tonight !
There are secession petitions from a majority of US states - and the MSM are reporting widespread cavalier remarks from all over Texas about such a previously radical idea.
I briefly saw a GLP post asserting that there is a massive movement of business leaders to Denver (you know, Cabal HQ !!) The post vanished just as I clicked on it.
There are rumors all over conspiracy sites about Obama preventing a military coup in the US AND a false flag attack "by Iran" by disappointed Zionists and Bush-Cheney Neo-Cons.
Guys, I "sense a disturbance in the Force". SOMETHING BIG seems to be going down.
8th
i was thinking about the strangness of the vibe yesterday and today..so i went to my favorite guru and read what he had to report...
you can toss this or not. it's just one of many ways to look at stuff.
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The Sun's Scorpio Eclipse ~ 13 Nov 2012
Truly, I was determined not to write a post about the solar eclipse occurring in but a few hours. However, I succumbed to the peer pressure of Venus in Libra. Could I be the only astrologer on Earth not to weigh in on the eclipse? I could, but the eclipse is on my Mercury, dammit!
So here's the bottom line or five:
During a solar eclipse the Sun (conscious mind) is blocked out by the Moon (subconscious patterns). Under the influence of a solar eclipse folks tend to respond more instinctively, driven by primal emotional and reactionary forces. That can be good news or not so good news.
This phenomenon will be compounded by the legendary intensity of Scorpio. As I predicted last week (and oh by the way, our Senate and local congressional race here in Arizona are not yet over), 49% of U. S. voters are hanging flags upside down, threatening to move to Canada and issuing other "cut off your nose to spite your face" statements that stem from fresh emotional dilemmas and/or crossroads.
Scorpio deals with resources. Of course the hype that started the day after the election states that we're on a fiscal cliff and no one in America, or any civilized country, wants austerity. A filthy rich pizza magnate is raising pizza prices in reaction to his employer's obligations to pay for employee health care cost. Tax brackets are hotly contested in the U. S. Congress. But really, the ultimate personalized Scorpio agenda in finance is that of needing to feel in charge of matters monetary and in that, in control of one's destiny.
Ah, the destiny part of Scorpio. There is a drive that lurks deep within that powers the spirit with dogged determination even at the darkest of dawns. During a Scorpio solar eclipse anyone on the planet can track that emotion. It's call passion. Passion is the substrate of creativity. Creativity and its implementation just might be the source beacon for shifting consciousness. It might. And there's only one way to know. Lock on, Luke, and trust the Force.
We are preparing for a meeting in Scorpio of Mercury retrograde, the Sun and the lunar north node - a three-prong destiny driver. This meeting takes place in clear view of all. It's time to tune in, tune it up and get it rolling. This year is not yet lost... not with more than six weeks left. So much can yet be done. Here's a question: What would you do if you didn't believe that the Mayan Calendar was bringing the end of the world? Naturally, no rationale enlightened being believes the world is going to end. But if a psychic told you a duck was going to drop a brick on your head, and though you realize the improbability and absurdity of the prognostication, you'll still look up when you hear quacking, pass under a brick portal, or step outside.
Mars presently powers over the Galactic Center. Feeling destiny urges but lacking inspiration? Sit down. Ask the Universe or whatever you call the Great Mystery out there what it wants you to know. Download it. Unzip it. Save the insights. Let inspiration rile you and shift you consciousness gears.
I'll likely not write before Mars enters Capricorn. As Mars travels through late Sagittarius and measures his way into Capricorn, he passes a series of rapidly spinning pulsars of the x-ray eclipsing binary category. I know, right? Here are a few clews for using these:
Do not repeat stated agendas. Instead engage them.
Do not discuss what you have fixed, healed or completed. It could cause backtracking. Instead, know the integration and function now at an enhanced stratum of clarity and perception.
Do not engage in unwinnable arguments or force a doctrine upon the unwilling. Instead, work where there is receptivity and advance your cause with giant strides.
Do not attempt to measure your work output. If you do, you might believe you're being careless or negligent. Instead, work with what captures your attention in the moment. Run with it until your attention wanes, and is so doing, work faster and more accurately than humanly possible - or so you used to believe. (Yes, Mercury is retrograde. Hire an editor/fact checker it that makes you feel comfortable.)
Now, we know who the President is, and like it or not, you can now anticipate what that means for the world at large and your ability to participate in the global economy. Realizing the growing swell of desire for enlightenment within, register for conferences and events that support your destiny. Norwac, for instance. Schedule consultations swiftly to ensure you can have your session before the next uplifting wave of transits headed your way. Buy reports, Galactic Trilogy CD's to expand your knowledge base. What are you waiting for? The Mayan Calendar!?
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Yes ! Yes ! Yes ! Read this now !
http://www.space.com/302-silent-running-black-triangle-sightings-rise.html
Those TR-3 UFO's WANT TO BE SEEN ! They want to be noticed. A deliberate and conscious intent, dudes !
Woo-Hoo ! I'll take disclosure from Zetas, Pleaidians or Secret Evil Cabal Reverse Engineered US Curtis Lemay Officers. It's all good.
Eighthman (yay!)
If you look it up, NIDS apparently did an in depth study of the triangles.
Quote from: Eighthman on November 19, 2012, 01:11:15 AM
Those TR-3 UFO's WANT TO BE SEEN ! They want to be noticed. A deliberate and conscious intent, dudes !
Yeah... they are getting ready for Dec 21,2012... when they will appear in force and cull the Earthlings to take them to the mines on Zeta Reticuli
:o
Quote from: zorgon on November 19, 2012, 10:33:10 AM
Yeah... they are getting ready for Dec 21,2012... when they will appear in force and cull the Earthlings to take them to the mines on Zeta Reticuli
:o
Zeta Reticuli is not actually a planet. Also, the Greys want us for our genetic material, not our slave labour.
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Quote from: petrus4 on November 19, 2012, 11:58:43 AM
Also, the Greys want us for our genetic material, not our slave labour.
Why abduct then? If they were so advanced, they would know that the entire human genome can be retrieved from a few cells.
The abductions are something that can be traced back into folklore. They have happened for a long time. It is not just about genetic material or there would never have been abductions like the ones on record.
If we want to understand this, I would suggest we have to look at inter-dimensionality and consciousness (Psi). So much cannot be explained without these elements. Also bear in mind the intelligence agencies trying to manage the public perception of UFOs and aliens. Nobody said there was one answer to this....
Dudes, don't miss the critical point! I SEE A MARKETING EFFORT!
To me, this suggests "branding" - they want everybody to know about the black triangles - just enough to be part of popular culture but not enough to scare everybody. Why?
Because they fear full disclosure in the near future and this hovering and loitering is insurance against panic. They can say, "Know about the black triangles? They belong to us and we have that alien stuff, too - so don't freak out. We got it covered".
They're layin' the groundwork.....
QuoteAlso, the Greys want us for our genetic material, not our slave labour.
You might be more correct about this, than you realize ? :D
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on November 19, 2012, 06:00:18 PM
You might be more correct about this, than you realize ? :D
I'm an abductee. So, yes. ;)
Picturing little grey/ petrus hybrids runnin round now....
Hi Pimander,
QuoteNobody said there was one answer to this....
BINGO ! 100% Correct.
In fact it is a very, very, very, Complex area.
More than any can possibly imagine, through the human species. :D
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on November 19, 2012, 11:01:47 PM
By choice, or by force ?
It is always ultimately by choice; but at the time, it felt like force.
Quote from: petrus4 on November 19, 2012, 11:16:49 PM
It is always ultimately by choice; but at the time, it felt like force.
I know what you mean. :D Thank you for sharing with us.
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on November 19, 2012, 11:23:15 PM
I know what you mean. :D Thank you for sharing with us.
It may seem odd, because I've authored threads wondering whether or not ET exists at all. The reason why, is because I go through alternating periods of self-doubt where my experiences were concerned, where the skeptic in me assumes that it was just nightmares, and/or my imagination etc.
The thing which I've recently realised, caused me to become sure, however, was when I went to David Jacobs' web site, and noticed how strongly his list of abduction characteristics matched my own dreams. I knew then, that that was not just a coincidence; it had actually happened.
Petrus, were all the instances of your abductions experienced as dreams..some of Jacob's factors sound very familiar.
Also, the case of having the same dream over and over for years or actually picking up where the last dream left off is very common for me.
Not that I feel Ive been abducted, but some things in my dreams are just not jiving with events and feelings in my life.
Cheers!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Jx2zwbI8bHE
This popped up on American Kabuki. It's some sort of UFO gameshow in Japan. It's exactly the sort of thing I hope to see more of : ET's and UFO's encountering amusement, curiosity - but not fear or panic.
Quote from: Littleenki on November 20, 2012, 02:53:26 AM
Petrus, were all the instances of your abductions experienced as dreams..some of Jacob's factors sound very familiar.
Yes. The one thing you never forget is the smell; other abductees have mentioned it as well. I'd describe it as somewhere between rubber and carrion. The Greys do not have an internal digestive tract like us, so they turn meat of some kind into a paste, and then spread it along their arms, where it is absorbed through the skin.
Such a smell could be very significant. There was a book on consciousness that told told people how they could tell a hallucination from something real. The answer was consider 'bandwidth' issues: can you feel it, smell it, taste it or hear it - as well as see it?
Getting a hallucination consistent with other senses gets tricky.
More evidence that abductions are real.
Quote from: Eighthman on November 21, 2012, 03:04:09 PM
Such a smell could be very significant. There was a book on consciousness that told told people how they could tell a hallucination from something real. The answer was consider 'bandwidth' issues: can you feel it, smell it, taste it or hear it - as well as see it?
This is true, Eighthman. The other thing that distinguishes dreams which are just the proverbial mental defrag for me, is that in them, I don't consciously make decisions. I'm just running on autopilot. Dreams can occasionally be visually hazy or foggy, as well.
Astral projection is different again. In the case of OBEs, there have been four factors for me:-
a} Visibly heightened levels colour saturation; much higher than either dreams or waking reality. Colours are much, much deeper.
b} Lucidity. I virtually never have lucid dreams which are not OBEs. I will be as fully conscious in an OBE as I am while typing these words right now.
c} Usually the noted and confirmable (via identification on waking) presence of spirits of the dead. I have been visited by my paternal grandfather, who died the year I was born. I have also been invited to the Afterlife construct of Jay Van Andel, one of the two founders of Amway Corporation, as his way of offering me a personal apology for our involvement with Amway, having largely been responsible for the destruction of my family. Jay was someone who apparently believed very strongly in the Capitalist ideal, and also had genuinely and strongly positive intentions, with regards to what he wanted Amway to enable people to do for themselves.
d} Rarity. OBEs do not happen often for me, and they seem to require the energy derived from sex (with positive emotional gratification involved) as a catalyst. Virtually all of my experiences in this regard happened during my relationship with my sole ex-girlfriend, and usually also immediately after we had had sex.
I have seen that I have potential in this regard, all false modesty aside, but I am not really trained. As a result, to the extent that I *do* astrally project, it happens entirely spontaneously. I do not have the ability to recreate the experience at will. While I have at times attempted to consciously induce it, the early stages of the seperation process tend to cause sufficiently high levels of fear and panic that I will always abort.
This may sound a bit strange but I came to this site seeking answers........ I guess I could say that I just can't hallucinate nor have any bizarre personal experiences inspite of trying (apart from hard drugs that I've never attempted, I suppose). I also am immune to marijuana (aside from coughing, nothing happens).
So, I have to depend on others to tell me about NDE's or OBE's or how the walls 'breathe' in an LSD flashback. I have no personal experience to judge such things but am open to all possibilities.
Funny as this sounds, I envy people like Robert Monroe or many of you guys because I seem to be hard bound to this reality. I once had a long conversation with an NDE guy who impressed me with the phrase 'more real than real'.
I could give you a NDE. However, I would have to supervise you as it involves 2 drugs and it isn't safe without someone who knows what they are doing.
Attractive as that may sound, I'd prefer not to risk a DE while trying to experience an NDE
Quote from: Eighthman on November 22, 2012, 03:11:34 AM
Attractive as that may sound, I'd prefer not to risk a DE while trying to experience an NDE
It isn't for the feint hearted. Have you seen the movie flat-liners?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCm_NMU6Phw
OK, it isn't that dramatic. But it really was frightening. The truth is some things you are supposed to find out when you die.
Life changing? Yes. I won't ruin the surprise for anyone by posting what you find out. Do I wish I hadn't done it. Sometimes as it is supposed to be part of life to not know. If I had a choice would I not know. Not a chance. :)
Thanks for that wonderful post, Sky!
QuoteAh, the destiny part of Scorpio. There is a drive that lurks deep within that powers the spirit with dogged determination even at the darkest of dawns.
I'm a Cancer myself, but i know what you mean ;)
QuotePassion is the substrate of creativity.
Well said, and soooo true...
QuoteLock on, Luke, and trust the Force.
I do, i do :)
QuoteDo not attempt to measure your work output. If you do, you might believe you're being careless or negligent. Instead, work with what captures your attention in the moment. Run with it until your attention wanes, and is so doing, work faster and more accurately than humanly possible - or so you used to believe. (Yes, Mercury is retrograde. Hire an editor/fact checker it that makes you feel comfortable.)
My credo, that...
Very informative, i guess i'm priveledged to have had an NDE, but not something i would like to repeat ;)
yes, it changed my life in many ways. I would like to be able to voluntarily leave my body, but i will never get the peace (inner & outer) that is required. Also, emptying my mind is equally impossible, as more comes in than goes out, even when i'm asleep!
I leave this to those that can, who can report back to us mere mortals what it's like......
Quote from: zorgon on September 26, 2012, 11:08:13 AM
I heard a comment the other day from someone that has been as close to the Government UFO scene as possible. (Yes I will make a thread soon)
He told about the Iranian(Tehran) UFO incident... That was the documented case where jets were disabled and then turned back on...
What he said that made me stop and rethink my position was this.
"I know of beam weapons that we have that can turn OFF a jet, however I am unaware of any that we have that can turn them back on"
Think about that and I will do that thread tomorrow (I am also waiting for the tape to do a proper transcript so I don't misquote anyone )
i think what is happening here like the story's of cars stalling only to start back up after
a UFO encounter,note they never mention turning the ignition? just that the car started
again and carried on it's journey.
As in the jet case,what i think the best explanation maybe is time itself is stopped/suspended.
so jets,combustion engines,electronics are mealy in suspended animation until time is again re established. you follow?
There are many things we are hidden from as part of being on this side of the veil; the main benefit of my death experience is that I am convinced that this journey here in this meat suit is but a tiny step on the long road we all travel together; that we choose the major outline of events and happenings we will experience; that we are in school, for want of a better term...
we are far more than even most could imagine, more than most are willing to admit...
seeker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QDT58Q6Zxo
A child in kindergarten has no need to think about a doctorates degree in college
Simple as that 8)
QuotePosted by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES
I would like to be able to voluntarily leave my body, but i will never get the peace (inner & outer) that is required. Also, emptying my mind is equally impossible, as more comes in than goes out, even when i'm asleep!
Posted by: Eighthman
Funny as this sounds, I envy people like Robert Monroe or many of you guys because I seem to be hard bound to this reality. I once had a long conversation with an NDE guy who impressed me with the phrase 'more real than real'.
can i mentioin meditation to you guys?..the possibilities are endless
Quote from: zorgon on November 23, 2012, 12:15:17 AM
A child in kindergarten has no need to think about a doctorates degree in college
Simple as that 8)
What is this statement referring to, Zorgon?
Quote from: petrus4 on November 23, 2012, 06:42:42 PM
What is this statement referring to, Zorgon?
Had me thinking, too.
I think it's the ethic of today, but children in the future may be doing just that.....
Thank you Sky, i have done a little medittion after my kung-fu workouts, but there's hardly time even for that these days, i have to perform the mantras in my mind, while physically doing something else ;)
Sadly, the only time i get to meditate is under the shower (so i take more than the 1 a day i used to) or in the last minutes before sleep, which is sometimes less than 5 hours...
Back on topic, that sounds like an interesting thread,Z.
Could it not be that the pilots just tried the ignition (well you would, wouldn't you, especially in a fighter jet) and after a few minutes, it started?
Same goes for cars, if it was still moving & in gear, the return of power would mean that the engine will just start running again (albeit with a notable jerk), but the other explanation (stopping time) while sounding quite impossible, is the only other answer.
Well not quite, it could be that a highly focused beam of energy is just as able to turn an ignition relay on as it can turn it off. This would mean sophisticated tech and intricate knoweledge of Human cars & planes.
Just as possible as the first 2 scenario's IMO...
A child in kindergarten has no need to think about a doctorates degree in college
in the universe WE are the children
wish i could recall the context of the gnostic line about
how we (humans) have no concept to be able to understand
god and the universe..
sorry for not being specific been awhile since i read the gnostic stuff
and pwm
you don't need mantras to go deep into the subconscious
i can give it to you in a few simple steps
but not in public
pm if you want the steps..
the shower is when my brain is in nuetral is where my most bestest ideas immerge
;D
Otter, I will be sending you a pm about the steps 8)
yes, we are but children here in 3rd density; I also submit to you that only a piece of our true self is here; that is what Matrix is trying to get across to everyone, yet even though we are separate we can communicate with our higher or separate self...
hyper dimensional beings,yes; deliberately kept from total recall and total access...
seeker
Quote from: sky otter on November 24, 2012, 03:36:41 AM
in the universe WE are the children
Well someone got it :D
Quote from: the seeker on November 24, 2012, 04:15:08 AM
yes, we are but children here in 3rd density; I also submit to you that only a piece of our true self is here; that is what Matrix is trying to get across to everyone, yet even though we are separate we can communicate with our higher or separate self...
Luminous beings are we ...not this crude matter. In a dark place we find ourselves, and a little more knowledge lights our way.The point was there is no need to know certain things when the mind is at Kindergarten level. You cannot be a Master while still in the cradle. When one advances enough, then the mind will open to receive what it needs to know to leave the cradle...
"The earth is a cradle of the mind, but one cannot live in a cradle forever." - Konstantin E. Tsiolkovsky
OK, I'd like to believe in life after death but I have never read a rigorous explanation of how unconsciousness can exist - that if you have some sort of soul as a conscious essence, where does that go during sleep, anesthesia or getting hit in the head with a brick?
And if there is a syllabus/catechism here on all this 3-D/4-D (anyone remember Selective Service deferments?) stuff and upward, I'd like to read it. The only evidence I know of are accounts in which ET's or other creatures (Bigfoot?) seem to pop in and out of our world at will.