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From: http://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2013/02/12/pope-benedict-resigned-to-avoid-arrest-seizure-of-church-wealth-by-easter/

QuoteDiplomatic Note was issued to Vatican just prior to his resignation
New Pope and Catholic clergy face indictment and arrest as "Easter Reclamation" plan continues
A Global Media Release and Statement from The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State

Brussels:
The historically unprecedented resignation of Joseph Ratzinger as Pope this week was compelled by an upcoming action by a European government to issue an arrest warrant against Ratzinger and a public lien against Vatican property and assets by Easter.
The ITCCS Central Office in Brussels is compelled by Pope Benedict's sudden abdication to disclose the following details:

1. On Friday, February 1, 2013, on the basis of evidence supplied by our affiliated Common Law Court of Justice (itccs.org), our Office concluded an agreement with representatives of a European nation and its courts to secure an arrest warrant against Joseph Ratzinger, aka Pope Benedict, for crimes against humanity and ordering a criminal conspiracy.

More at link.

Very interesting Amy,

I heard yesterday that The Vatican no longer has access to Visa
and M/C so everyone who visits there has to bring cash.

;D

I bet they dont take checks.

Tuned in for more updates!

I heard the credit card stuff started working again today...  Hmmmm.

The law is a lot like the church: a mysterious institution ruled by a high priesthood that is self-governing and unaccountable and thus, a magnet for criminality and corruption, and yet which is, absurdly, relied upon to render justice and salvation for the rest of us. It was not always so.

A thousand years ago, a common law existed among my English and Celtic ancestors that sought to ensure the liberties and security of the people. Based in village courts known as "the Hundreds", this law rested in the hands of the people, who enacted their own justice independently of the far-away power calling itself "the Crown".

In this tradition, sheriffs were appointed by the Hundreds to create local juries to name and present anyone guilty of theft, murder or rape. It was up to every able-bodied man in the village to bring such offenders into these local courts for trial and sentencing. These men were known as "posses", taken from the Latin term "pro toto posse suo", meaning "utmost in his power". Our ancestors were each obligated to take responsibility for the law and the safety of the community, by stopping the criminals themselves, to the utmost of their power.

Naturally, such local justice didn't sit well with the centralized authority of kings and popes, and for centuries, they and their intellectual hacks have convinced us that acting for our own benefit is tantamount to chaos and anarchy. Our long common law tradition of direct citizen action is equated now with "vigilante justice" and (to quote one Canadian Supreme Court jurist) "arrogant mob rule".

Arrogant, in fact, comes from the Italian word "arrogati", which means, "to claim for oneself". Yes, indeed.

i have read about the money problems ..seems to be some interesting things to come out of this

here's just one




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/12/popes-brother-speaks-georg-ratzinger-vatileaks-scandal_n_2669964.html?utm_hp_ref=religion


Now, Benedict's brother Georg Ratzinger, 89, is beginning to shed some light on what may have motivated his famous younger brother
.....
Ratzinger mentioned a few issues that may have put special stress on the pontiff, including the so-called Vatileaks scandal that deeply embarrassed the Vatican.

In October 2012, the pope's former butler, Paolo Gabriele, was convicted of leaking internal Vatican documents, many of which were published in an Italian journalist's book about the papacy. The documents "pointed to alleged misdeeds within the Vatican's administration and alleged financial mismanagement at its chief financial institutions," according to The New York Times.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/26/world/europe/popes-butler-arrested-in-vatican-letters-leak.html?_r=0

In Vatican Whodunit, a Punch Line of a SuspectBy RACHEL DONADIO
Published: May 25, 2012 17 Comments
ROME — A mysterious source named Maria. A room furnished with a single chair where sensitive Vatican documents are turned over to an investigative journalist at regular meetings. The arrest of the pope's butler. Perhaps the greatest breach in centuries in the wall of secrecy that

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http://henrymakow.com/2013/02/vatican-bank-shenanigans-behin.html

Money Scandal Behind Papal Coup d'Etat
February 11, 2013

To understand the Pope's resignation,
Kevin Annett says, "Follow the money."

Here is infowars comments on the Popes resignation..
Some suggestions are that it may involve pedophilia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcBtDRBzfkM


check out 4 mins 58 seconds...do you see what I see ?

David Icke has referred to seeing Lizard eyes within certain people including Obama...What I can see at the above time reminds me of it..

I hope that it is just some technology issue... and Not one of Alex Jones associates in disguise... :-\

as much as i like the idea.
i cant find any info about itccs on the net other than that article.
i dont think they are legit.

Quote from: robomont on February 13, 2013, 04:41:36 AM
as much as i like the idea.
i cant find any info about itccs on the net other than that article.
i dont think they are legit.

I will admit that my own immediate reaction was that they were too good to be true as well, robomont.

Holy POOP

Quote from: astr0144 on February 13, 2013, 04:37:33 AM
Here is infowars comments on the Popes resignation..
Some suggestions are that it may involve pedophilia.

Someone just sent me THIS

I was shocked. I knew there was a problem but not THIS big. These are all documented cases with links to newspaper articles, court cases dates and locations...  with charges. All alphabetically sorted

Database of Publicly Accused Priests in the United States (http://bishop-accountability.org/priestdb/PriestDBbylastName-A.html)


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This PLANET needs an ENEMA   >:(

Quote from: astr0144 on February 13, 2013, 04:37:33 AM
Here is infowars comments on the Popes resignation..
Some suggestions are that it may involve pedophilia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcBtDRBzfkM


check out 4 mins 58 seconds...do you see what I see ?

OMG.  That's just CREEPY!  I see one very dark eye, and one very light, almost olive green eye - and the mouth...twisted and inhuman looking.  Sent shivers down Me spine.  Literally!

QuoteDavid Icke has referred to seeing Lizard eyes within certain people including Obama...What I can see at the above time reminds me of it..

I hope that it is just some technology issue... and Not one of Alex Jones associates in disguise... :-\

And yup. I was thinking the same thing.  Was watching the Jesse Ventura piece about reptilians - They found a LOT of info pointing to reptilians...but then dismissed the whole because David Icke makes money on giving lectures & books and stuff.

To ME, it was clearly writing off the whole thing.  I even got the sense that Icke & Ventura might have been playing by a script.

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 13, 2013, 04:27:26 AM
I heard the credit card stuff started working again today...  Hmmmm.

Yes, strange timing.

Here is some info that really backs up your OP, funny how
this is always buried. From 2012....

QuoteAn anonymous note claimed that they pertained to "shameful events inside the Vatican" and threatened to reveal the contents of the letters "if there is an attempt to hide the truth of the facts".

The accompanying letter called for the resignation of Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, who as secretary of state is the Vatican's de facto prime minister, and Mgr Georg Ganswein, the Pope's secretary, and claimed that the butler was simply a scapegoat in the whole affair.

The note represented "a grave threat" to Benedict's seven-year papacy, said Federico Lombardi, the Vatican spokesman.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/vaticancityandholysee/9314538/Vatican-condemns-leaks-as-blackmail.html

So this was on the table since June 2012.... :o

..So for the second time in history, a Polish seat was occupied for a short time by a German butt.... ::)

The eye thing was wierd alright, but i still don't believe Icke :P

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Ok. I put an image on Photobucket - but They have changed things there and I can't get it to display here!  Annoying to say the least!

EDIT to add:  Trying again.

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 13, 2013, 06:27:42 PM
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Ok. I put an image on Photobucket - but They have changed things there and I can't get it to display here!  Annoying to say the least!

EDIT to add:  Trying again.

right after that appears he chuckles.  probably an inside joke.

Could be, Beth...  But geez, it's creepy.  The guy's eyes are the same and blue throughout the piece - except for THIS frame.

David Icky is weird at times with his Reptilians under every bed theme...

... I'll just stick with main stream news for this one

Pope accused of crimes against humanity

The Pope and top Vatican cardinals have been accused of possible crimes against humanity for sheltering guilty Catholic priests, in formal complaints to the International Criminal Court.

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Quote

By Our Foreign Staff

2:51PM BST 13 Sep 2011

The Centre for Constitutional Rights, a New York-based non-profit legal group, requested an ICC inquiry on behalf of the Survivors Network, arguing that the global church has maintained a "long-standing and pervasive system of sexual violence" despite promises to swiftly oust predators.

The Vatican said it had no immediate comment on the complaint.

The complaint names Pope Benedict XVI, partly in his former role as leader of the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which in 2001 explicitly gained responsibility for overseeing abuse cases; Cardinal William Levada, who now leads that office; Cardinal Angelo Sodano, the Vatican secretary of state under Pope John Paul II; and Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, who now holds that post.

Lawyers for the victims say rape, sexual violence and torture are considered a crime against humanity as described in the international treaty that spells out the court's mandate. The complaint also accuses Vatican officials of creating policies that perpetuated the damage, constituting an attack against a civilian population.

Barbara Blaine, president of the US-based Survivors Network of those Abused by priests, said going to the court was a last resort.

The Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/8760103/Pope-accused-of-crimes-against-humanity.html)

Former priest hired by TSA to pat down passengers, three months after church kicked him out for 'molesting young girls'

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QuoteBy Daily Mail Reporter
PUBLISHED: 18:13 EST, 1 October 2012

First he was fired for allegedly groping young girls, then hired to frisk them at an airport.

A disgraced former priest, defrocked from his New Jersey diocese over allegations of molestation in 2002, was three months later given a job as a TSA officer, it has been revealed.

Thomas Harkins was employed in a role where his duties would include doing pat downs on children, according to local news, after the agency failed to do a thorough background check and offered him a position at Philadelphia International Airport.

The Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2211427/Former-priest-hired-TSA-pat-passengers-months-church-kicked-molesting-young-girls.html)

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 13, 2013, 06:27:42 PM
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Ok. I put an image on Photobucket - but They have changed things there and I can't get it to display here!  Annoying to say the least!

EDIT to add:  Trying again.

I noticed something with the left eye  at 1:23, there is a glint or flash in the eye and then the eye changes for a second , gets big and distorted , then snaps back to normal. my timing might be slightly off , my computer is to slow to stop right on the effect but please check it out and see if you see it .


fixed it here also :P

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 13, 2013, 07:23:57 PM
Could be, Beth...  But geez, it's creepy.  The guy's eyes are the same and blue throughout the piece - except for THIS frame.

You missed the other one then. Look at 1:24. you can see they clearly pasted another eye over it as a joke.

Time for CHANGE

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Quote from: LSWONE on February 13, 2013, 09:18:07 PM
You missed the other one then. Look at 1:24. you can see they clearly pasted another eye over it as a joke.

now why would alex and company be pulling stunts like that? 

Quote from: LSWONE on February 13, 2013, 09:18:07 PM
You missed the other one then. Look at 1:24. you can see they clearly pasted another eye over it as a joke.

No....I did not notice the time mark suggestion of 4: 58 until after I watched the whole video. So when I saw the thing at 1:24,I thought that what I was supposed to notice . Did you notice the subtle flash of the  left eye before the eye changed at 1:24? :o


oops had the wrong eye, fixed it .

Quote from: undo11 on February 13, 2013, 09:41:50 PM
now why would alex and company be pulling stunts like that?

I agree I didn't think it was a joke . I think the  reporter is creepy looking from the get go and then his eye starts doing weird stuff.

Yup. I missed the "transformation" between 1:22 and 1:24.  It does look like media manip, and not actual footage capture.  I have screen captures & if there is any interest will post to photobucket to put up here.

Hmm, i would like to see closeups of both frames. It looks photoshopped to me, and it would be easy to alter just one frame. If you blink, it would normally take up about 3 frames. Does he blink at all in this film?

Maybe we should split the thread at this point :P

ETA; Pope Yoda 1         LOL

Nothing to see here..step away from the laptop...

Pope Rat-Zinger our fine Hitler Youth representative has been kicked to the curb..no Pope would resign for any reason aside from death, without raising huge suspicions..they would rather die in office, and become a martyr in the process.

Personally, I am delighted that so much attention is being brought to the vile organization of the RCC, and am reveling in the discomfort all of those associated with it are feeling right now, from the Pope down to the newest member, wherever they may be!

Those who follow the RCC and its evil doctrine deserve to suffer, they are blind and have absolutely zero ability to descern between good and evil.

No sympathy here..ever.

I think Metallica said it best when it comes to everyone who runs that evil machine in the Vatican...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAITxlCsj4Y


Happy Valentine's Day!

Le

Quote from: Littleenki on February 14, 2013, 04:00:13 PM
Nothing to see here..step away from the laptop...

Pope Rat-Zinger our fine Hitler Youth representative has been kicked to the curb..no Pope would resign for any reason aside from death, without raising huge suspicions..they would rather die in office, and become a martyr in the process.

Personally, I am delighted that so much attention is being brought to the vile organization of the RCC, and am reveling in the discomfort all of those associated with it are feeling right now, from the Pope down to the newest member, wherever they may be!

Those who follow the RCC and its evil doctrine deserve to suffer, they are blind and have absolutely zero ability to descern between good and evil.

No sympathy here..ever.

I think Metallica said it best when it comes to everyone who runs that evil machine in the Vatican...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAITxlCsj4Y


Happy Valentine's Day!

Le

when tshf they won't be anywhere near the danger.  they'll be off sipping champagne on a boat or one of their space stations, while innocent people die, including non-christians, non-catholics, pagans,  atheists, everybody that they've brainwashed to believe it's the fault of the guy across the street.  your response to this situation, is exactly what they want cause they don't plan on being victims when it happens.  it's all by their design.   they are satanists, as in hard core enlil-ites.  and you know how enlil views humans.  even if enlil is a fiction, the point remains the same.

ever read that thread on ats called ALL ROADS LEAD TO ROME? you should read that.

consider while watching this video, that pretty much everything of european culture will be gone, even the heart warming stuff.  stonehenge (they'll blow that up in a heartbeat) gone.  druids all over europe will be killed, as will pagans of other varieties.  there will be no wicca, no rosicrucians, no masons (other than perhaps shriners and even that is questionable, and for sure won't be available to white europeans).  all our ancient history will be destroyed.  viking history, gone.  wiped from existence like some pharaoh scratching out the name of his predecessor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAH5cQZ0k8M

Quote from: Littleenki on February 14, 2013, 04:00:13 PM
Happy Valentine's Day!

WOW   :o Brings back memories of the Mob in 1929...

::)

i don't understand why western govs are encouraging so much immigration and not holding them to the same standards as the indigenous people or people of european ancestory.  it's like genocide on  a global scale.

is it perhaps because they want that to be the one world religion? 
egads, we all are gonna have to move to tibet. lol  i'm sure the buddhists would be real happy about that.  not.  there won't be any place for buddhists either, nor hindus, anyway.  hindus because they are polytheists and buddhists because they employ idols.  only thing that will save the non-islamic religions is bold face lying.   

idolitry is one the only failings of buddism.
im a buddist but i dont worship no idols.
thats why my religion is almost perfect.lol.

Quote from: robomont on February 14, 2013, 09:13:50 PM
idolitry is one the only failings of buddism.
im a buddist but i dont worship no idols.
thats why my religion is almost perfect.lol.

you will also have to force your women folk to wear a hijab or burkha, and not let them out of the house without a male family member as escort.  and they can't drive motor vehicles.  it's not quite that bad in some muslim countries but the form of islam being established with the help of the american military, is saudi arabia's wahhabism and they are, well, if you went there, you would be hard pressed to see any women in society.  they still cut off people's hands for stealing and still crucify people and employ stoning. 

also if one of your female friends or family members is raped, she has to have witnesses willing to testify on her behalf and they have to have been present when it happened.  if not, she's punished instead  and it's usually pretty dang bad. shar'ia law is perhaps the most anti-female set of laws ever to have been created on the planet, if you don't count old testament stuff and jesus was even against that, and that was 2000 years ago, for gads sakes.

Quote from: undo11 on February 14, 2013, 09:21:58 PM
you will also have to force your women folk to wear a hijab or burkha, and not let them out of the house without a male family member as escort.

Well not all Muslim nations do that... Turkey for example...

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And there is another candidate for Pope...  unfortunately he just saw my last post LOL

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Quote from: zorgon on February 14, 2013, 10:53:06 PM
Well not all Muslim nations do that... Turkey for example...

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that won't last long.  lol
now i see the attraction for western men though.  the idea they can legally have harems must be a strong incentive

QuoteThose who follow the RCC and its evil doctrine deserve to suffer, they are blind and have absolutely zero ability to descern between good and evil.

No sympathy here..ever.

Yes, in fact any religion which allows such things should be obliterated, IMO

Quoteconsider while watching this video, that pretty much everything of european culture will be gone, even the heart warming stuff.  stonehenge (they'll blow that up in a heartbeat) gone.  druids all over europe will be killed, as will pagans of other varieties.  there will be no wicca, no rosicrucians, no masons (other than perhaps shriners and even that is questionable, and for sure won't be available to white europeans).  all our ancient history will be destroyed.  viking history, gone.  wiped from existence like some pharaoh scratching out the name of his predecessor

Undo, i love your candid style, and your intellect, i really do.
And i have twice asked the masons outright if they have a plan for a SHTF scenario, and what they intend to do about it. No answer as yet ::)
Likewise, i doubt our religious leaders have a clue as to what is really going on... ::)

As to the Celtics, to which race i belong, we will fight to the last man to avoid this. >:(
Hell, they can have Stonehenge, they already have it since you are not allowed close enough to make measurements, which pi$$es me off no end.
Thankfully i can still make measurements at Avebury & Glastonbury, & i can tell you there is 'magic' there, that's as far as i go with regards to religion.
I heartily agree with Dave that all these fake prophets may go to hell for their sins, and i can think of no greater hell than that which Mankind is capable of.

Quoteidolitry is one the only failings of buddism.
im a buddist but i dont worship no idols.
thats why my religion is almost perfect.lol.

Not at all, my Budhhist teachings tell me to accept all, seek self-betterment, above all self-awareness, and awareness of all around me. No idols, but that picture of your future self. Buhdda is just a symbol, nothing more...
Even Buhddists know that :P

Turkey? Very westernised, and they have morals, too......
The women look great as well :P

OK back on topic, i say send all of 'em to Nurenburg.
(Not the turks, of course!)

playswithmachines

well if its ancient and pagan, it's a goner.  and to be honest, i think the word pagan is a misnomer anyway, as i'm of the belief that the israelite high priests were aware there was more than one but decided to abandon enki-ea and anu, and go strictly with enlil, hiding anu's presence in the text by using his egyptian name as a "sign off" tag -- amen.  they were not always monotheists. 

i use to argue that they were monotheists, and i mean big long debates with scholars and such. i had to actually fit all the pieces together for myself, as  a result of personal study and prayer, before i realized how the thing had been packaged as monotheistic when it was polytheistic with a  prominent pair interacting with humans and one otiose.  (and who knows how many others)

Quote from: undo11 on February 14, 2013, 11:40:09 PM
that won't last long.  lol
now i see the attraction for western men though.  the idea they can legally have harems must be a strong incentive

HA!  You would think that :P

Well okay so yeah I can see the draw :P But I can do that without dragging religion into it :P

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Fascinating, as always Undo ;D
Hey, i have to go, it's been great 8)

Z, I'll take the camel, it will go further & it won't complain :P

And ... keeping on topic with the Religious Theme... time for some comic relief...


OMG!!!!! KILLER BUNNIES ARE REAL!!!!  (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3783.msg51333;topicseen#new)

Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on February 15, 2013, 12:29:25 AM
Z, I'll take the camel, it will go further & it won't complain :P

She's all yours :P But i warn you she has a NASTY spitting habit   :o

::)

Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on February 15, 2013, 12:29:25 AM
Fascinating, as always Undo ;D
Hey, i have to go, it's been great 8)

Z, I'll take the camel, it will go further & it won't complain :P

well then one more piece of food for thought:

the lord's prayer in the new testament, goes something like this:

our father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. give us this day, our daily bread, and forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors.  lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil, for thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory, forever, amen. 

that's the english version, written in english sentence structure.  i wouldnt be surprised if it originally said something like:

amen, lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil.

  you can put the person's name at the beginning or end of the sentence and it will mean the same thing, like, you can say:

larry, take us to the restaurant.

OR you can say :

take us to the restaurant, larry.

it's always been read as if amen meant, "may it be so," as a sort  of punch line, but i dont think that's the right way to read the original. 

strongs concordance translates "may it be so" as "amen". i think something's very fishy about that.  i think it's always said amen, but somewhere along the line a translator was ordered to translate it as may it be so or something similar, by some vatican big wig and when the english translators attempted to translate it into english, they had to piece meal it back together and concluded it was a statement of finality, like making a wish. 

usually the way they draw these conclusions is whether the surrounding words provide a tense (what time it is, past present future, etc), amount (singular, plural) and a type (noun, verb, adjective)

for example, the same word can be put into a sentece so that it sounds like a noun or a verb or an adjective and you have to examine its surroundings and its letter format, to determine which of those apply. 

i think it's a noun, but the translators have decided the original was a verb phrase.

Undo, youre pretty much right on with most of that breakdown of the Vatican and their power scheme, Enlil-esque indeed! ;)

I think many want to see all roads leading to Rome, and for them it would be a great outcome if those roads were shut down and kept closed forever, but the road that really needs closing is the one from the high honcho Mr Postmaster himself in Bern Switzerland. I would like to see the entire house of cards come down, and to take down the real leaders of the western world would require a trip not to Rome, but to Bern.

Regardless anything that brings negative light to the Catholics is OK by me!

little enki

the issue is, the catholic people are not the real problem and they never have been. they are as much in the dark about all this as we were in the dark here in the usa, about the corporations of america, rebuilding the infrastructure of the soviet union after the bolshevik revolution. 

apparently, the financiers of the usa funded the bolsheviks, who killed all the russian factory workers and shop keepers.  the revolutionaries didn't know how to do the work the factory workers had been doing.  so they hired american corporations to rebuild the factories and such, and import people who knew how to do the work, who had the task of teaching the new communist citizens how to run the factories and use the machines. 

one example given was that the american company, caterpillar, had more machines in the soviet union than anywhere else on earth.  and they didn't tell us ANY of that. it has been hidden from us until the opening of the kgb files that also revealed that stalin was many magnitudes worse than hitler ever dreamed of.

in other words, american financiers funded the bolshevik revolution that brought down the former czarist russian goverment, not because they wanted or intended on ever having a real social harmony, but because they wanted to be able to profit from the rebuilding of the russian infrastructure at the expense of the lives of some 50,000,000 catholics, jews, protestants, buddhists, and muslims.

having a difference of opinon should never be grounds for capital punishment or enslavement.  if it is, then we are no better than the inquistioners and slavers of old.

in case you didn't see this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy8CZe5UC9o

Undo, I feel that with all the available empirical evidence regarding the Catholic Church and its crimes over thousands of years, noone who follows any of their doctrines is free from my disdain.

Anyone who can see clearly that the religion they are immersed in is either as evil as it at the core, or polar opposite in stupidity...... and most Catholics I know arent stupid, but they sure are good at defining hypocricy.

Sorry, no sympathy for the bound and gagged, when they have a knife and bullhorn at their disposal.

Thats the problem with the world today, we see the willing religidiots as victims, and dont see the truth that most of them have agendas as sick as any rapist or thief.

They just wear nicer clothes and drive nicer cars....

Le

Quote from: undo11 on February 14, 2013, 08:14:15 PM
is it perhaps because they want that to be the one world religion? 

Great idea!!!! That would end all the bickering, the jihads, the inquistions, the crusades, the book burnings, add your own here _________________.

I propose we adopt THIS one

Book of G'Quan

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It speaks of the SHADOWS, the evil race of Ancients...

Each book is copied painstakingly by hand, exactly reproduced from the original version. In this way, the accuracy of the text and images are assured....

It is considered disrespectful to "thump" the book.

   " There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future, or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain."

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Yup works for me... close to Buddhism but has the wisdom of the Ancients... which reminds me I need to do that thread :D

z

you can't adopt any other book than koran in an islamic world order. you're lying to yourself lol

zorgon

somebody made a post on ats about how a public school was providing after school tutoring for students with learning disabilities but white students were not allowed to attend it, it was for minorities only.  the parents of some white kid who needed the tutoring as well, found out and were angry about it.  the thread churned up a debate about how racism is getting out of control now.

one fellow chimed in and said he believed blacks were genetically less intelligent, which i think is wrong .  this is argument i presented:


---that seems incorrect, primarily because the mostly part is about the difference in quality of life standards. i'll explain:

quality of life standards for caucasians have been kept artificially high, in order to socially engineer and stunt the population growth. it's a form of eugenics. this same thing is happening in europe. and it worked. by making quality of life issues enforceable by criminal charges, caucasians, who don't want to lose their children or be put in jail for neglect or abuse, have slowed their population growth to below the culture sustainable level. in effect, in less than a generation, our culture will be gone, both here in america and in europe.

meanwhile, minority populations, because they are minorities, have not been held to the same rigorous standards, and this holds true here and in europe as well. without the same rigorous standards, the quality of life declines in their population resulting in declines in other areas, such as education.

here is an example of what i'm talking about. this same thing is happening to immigrating hispanic minorities as well, btw. so the only conclusion is that the people who sold us the bill of goods that we should 1) slow our birth rates and 2) agree with higher quality of life laws, making it criminal to have more children than you can provide for according to those standards, whilst simultaneously not enforcing it on minority populations has done the following (this is not my attempt to being anti muslim, it's evidence that the issue is not because black people are not equally capable of being intelligent, but rather, a much more complex issue related to what appears to be peaceful genocide

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj-ceoxHc4U

the reason caucasians are being left out of the conversation is because in less than a generation, our culture will be gone and our laws. since minorities are being taught to hate us,
our race will likely be gone next.

i don't think black people are any less capable of being intelligent. they are just not held to the same standards, and that is because the eugenicists want them to survive and white folks to disappear. it's pretty easy to see it once you start looking at how culture and society works.

this is, however, apparently following biblical prophecy. i am not asking for it to follow prophecy, but it is.  and mr. zorgon, you seem to think that's a good thing.  it is not my fault that the world is going in the direction it is .  i couldn't have thought all this up on my own, even if i wanted to.  however, i do have the ability to read between the lines, as a result, this is the scenario that the information seems to be heading in:

the usa will probably be the last hold out, and that will be because it will be filled to the brim with hispanic catholics and hispanic socialists, who have been, along with the black population, taught to hate pale skinned european whites of the conservative bent (protestants),
specifically. once it starts, however, they will kill off most of the european whites in the usa, not just the conservatives but most of the liberals also, regardless of religion and regardless of political party. it will be race-based entirely. the liberal socialists of white skin will be killed as well, and survivors will flee to other, non muslim lands like
china, if any  non muslim lands remain.  i don't even think white muslims will survive the american version of the eugenics plan if they try to stay in the usa.  surviving white jews will flee to israel at this point and surviving white muslims, will move to a muslim nation that isn't in a race war/religious war. 

then it will be hispanic catholics vs. black protestants, black muslims and black socialists, with the occassional black catholic and sizeable population of arabic muslims. european leaders, who will have converted to islam, will put on the pretense of trying to help but
will be out numbered by the sheer amount of socialist, marxist,  communist and muslim nations who want to see the end of the usa as we know it and the end of  catholicism in particular.  the black protestants (who survive the hispanic catholics) and black catholics of the usa will be pressured to convert to islam or die.

  the hispanic catholics will lose,  meaning the only remaining pale skinned caucasians on the planet outside of israelis and european leaders, will be hispanic socialists.  it's likely they will die next simply because of their refusal to convert to islam.  they might survive if they high tail it to china or india, but not for long if islam owns most of the
technology and weapons.   non islamic faiths of non-abrahamic origin, will only survive by lying thru their teeth or moving to places like china or india.

alot of  buddhists, druids, pagans, masons, non-muslim shriners, rosicrucians, and hindus will die as well, particularly since they will be up against not only islam but the new world order of fascism and marxism.  china will only protect them if they agree to water down their beliefs to the point they are meaningless and islam will eventually take china down as well. up to this point,  european and australian leaders will be still trying to defend israel with the help of hispanic catholics and hispanic socialists in the usa as well as communists  in
places like cuba and china.  with the hispanics in the usa gone and central/south america easily conquered, the european and australian leaders will be forced to either abandon israel or be destroyed.  they will abandon israel at that point.  this will be their last playing card, as  they will have exhausted all other means to defend their seats of power.

the whole planet will turn their eyes to israel.  without the support of the usa, australia and europe and hispanic based communists like cuba, they will be the only remaining caucasians that are not either islamic or caved in to muslim sentiment or communism.   since the jews will be sitting on the most fought over piece of real estate in the world, which the blacks of african nations and black muslims believe is their
inheritance,  this will queue up the war of Armageddon. 

at this point, the final eugenics plan will go into play. 
5/6ths of the remaining world population will die.
reboot.
winners=israel.
losers=everybody else.

Very Interesting Development here:

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/globalpost-blogs/belief/pope-benedict-legion-christ-scandal

QuoteDocuments released today by a Rhode Island judge provide a new window into the internal workings of the disgraced Legion of Christ, a religious order of priests whose founder was revealed to have sexually abused seminarians and fathered children by at least two women.

The release of the voluminous court records by Superior Court Judge Michael Silverstein came within days of the stunning resignation of Pope Benedict XVI, who ordered an investigation into allegations against Legion founder Fr. Marcial Maciel when Benedict played a powerful prosecutorial role in the Vatican as a cardinal and again in the early years of his papacy.

These documents are expected to shed new light on a scandal Benedict inherited from John Paul II, whose unwavering support of Maciel, even after allegations against him were filed in the Vatican in 1998, bolstered Legion fundraising campaigns.

Quote from: robomont on February 14, 2013, 09:13:50 PM
idolitry is one the only failings of buddism.

On a note of humor yes I would agree, and
that the fat bellied  buddah statues I find in bad
form and taste.

And the belly button too.

bts

do you agree with me that the entire planet is going to be destroyed, and the people, because the synagogue of satan knows how to keep people so focused on hating each other, that they would rather see someone they disagree with murdered, than survive?   even z thinks its better if the whole planet is islamic, which requires the death of wide swaths of people he disagrees with.  this is how they have historically manipulated people to kill each other or look the other way while people they disagree with are murdered, for thousands of years.

when there's no one else of christian faith to protect them, and their allies have all converted to islam, and they know it's their turn to buy the farm, what do you think will happen?

Quote from: undo11 on February 16, 2013, 12:41:58 AM
bts

do you agree with me that the entire planet is going to be destroyed

Undo,

Well I actually do think that this planet we know as Earth will pass away.
In Revelations, there is much about the planetary issues, signs from
the heavens.

God in the Bible proclaims he will make a new Earth, while I am not
a Bible scholar and I know some will say this is allegory, it only makes
sense that if He is making a new Earth, the old one will be gone.

Quotethe synagogue of satan knows how to keep people so focused on hating each other, that they would rather see someone they disagree with murdered, than survive?   

Yes, I see this, lets just look at the media coverage of Chris Dorner.
Why some people think that as heinious as it was, they were rooting
for him even after he killed innocent people. Because they agreed with
his bitterness towards the men who wronged him.

I am shocked to see such savege people, yet I also see it getting worse.

And Islam is not a religion on peace, I shudder to think of the entire world
living as they do. Women and Children especially, either people do not
really know what is going on over there, or they are willfully blind
if they think Islam is Utopia.

Now, here is where I might get into trouble, as I have some thoughts about
the Jewish people, and its not really mainstream thought.

I do want to continue this conversation, I have to go out, but I will return.

Catch ya on the rebound.

:)

My comments are generic, and not toward any members.

Quote from: undo11 on February 15, 2013, 11:12:42 PM
z

you can't adopt any other book than koran in an islamic world order. you're lying to yourself lol

What Islamic world order? I thought this thread was about the Pope and the RC? I though you were as anti RC as anyone.?

I like the Book of G'Quan, even if G'Kar looks Reptilian (he's not) 

So the world is going to Hell in a hand basket? what else is new? Too old to worry about it... and we didn't luck out this time and get annihilated by a space rock... Oh well there will be more :D One will get us sooner or later. There are literally hundreds of craters on Earth  and that will end the religious folly really fast

Quote from: burntheships on February 16, 2013, 12:55:32 AM
God in the Bible proclaims he will make a new Earth, while I am not
a Bible scholar and I know some will say this is allegory, it only makes
sense that if He is making a new Earth, the old one will be gone.

Well until he does I know places on this old rock that I can go and forget about all this stuff.  Just minutes from me in all directions there are wide open spaces where you will never run into another soul for days...  and when I need to escape. I look at places like THIS  and all is okay with MY world again :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QINhS2n3fCU

Perhaps she is an Angel... those eyes.....

Quote from: zorgon on February 16, 2013, 01:12:54 AM
What Islamic world order? I thought this thread was about the Pope and the RC? I though you were as anti RC as anyone.?

I like the Book of G'Quan, even if G'Kar looks Reptilian (he's not) 

So the world is going to Hell in a hand basket? what else is new? Too old to worry about it... and we didn't luck out this time and get annihilated by a space rock... Oh well there will be more :D One will get us sooner or later. There are literally hundreds of craters on Earth  and that will end the religious folly really fast

i may disagree with the RC but i don't want them to die, just like i don't want rosicrucians to die or islamics or jews or wiccans, etc. heck, i don't even want my worst enemies to die.   i may disagree with a person but that does not translate to "they should be dead so the world will be a beter place," when there's no guarantee it will be a better place even then and may in fact be worse.   

how else are we gonna live in peace if every time we encounter a group we disagree with, we don't mind if they die or even hope they do or actively engage in killing them? 

of course, i'm handicapped by that verse that says "do unto others as you would have them do unto you," and i don't want to be killed just because someone disagrees with me, so naturally i should not want to kill someone else i may disagree with.  the former is what has kept this planet in a perpetual state of killing, and the latter is a personal choice, which is not enforceable either.   people have to reach that conclusion on their own. forcing it on them is not acceptable either.   i mean, that's what i think jesus meant by all that love your neighbor stuff.  and we learned from history that you can't legislate religion.

Well I am not talking about anyone or any religion dying, just about the Pope leaving under a cloud of Pedophile Priests and other assorted no-nos that have been washed under the table all these years.

(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/6555_494282547298617_2118198689_n.png)

Don't need to kill them, just lock em away in a deep dark hole like they used to do to non believers in those Medieval Dungeons, maybe with a few thumb screws on their..... well you get the drift :P

BTW I am getting all these cartoons from Spanish Catholics on facebook  :o

ah yes

The Spanish Inquisition


long memories there   (http://i75.servimg.com/u/f75/13/55/53/83/15632710.gif)

yeah well they killed non catholic christians in the inquisition to, but people don't seem to remember that. they just assume the word christian makes you automatically an inquisitioner, even when your particular form of christianity not only left the church, but tried to run away from it by getting on boats to the new world.

maybe jesus has some ships to escape the new world order eh? cause i just can't get over the creepy feeling that somehow, the vatican and highest ranking jesuits are the power houses behind all of it.   but i don't want them to die, i just don't want them to kill anybody else anymore.

Quote from: undo11 on February 16, 2013, 03:53:57 AMthey just assume the word christian makes you automatically an inquisitioner

Ummm no I don't see anyone doing that.. all I see is comments against the RC Church. Perhaps you are reading other posts I cannot see? Luthor went his own way to... pretty sure his group is Christian based. I don't see nay one attacking his followers (as one example)

Quite frankly the only one making such assumptions is you, because it ain't us.

Quote, even when your particular form of christianity not only left the church, but tried to run away from it by getting on boats to the new world.

Which didn't work out so well for the locals as I recall   ::)

Quotemaybe jesus has some ships to escape the new world order eh?

Okay so why can't Jesus and his Father, just say "Enough of this crap!" wave of the hand and just end it all?  All he would have to do is pop up like they did 2000 years ago, and tell it to us like it is...  why all the cloak and daggers stuff?  Just come out and slap everyone silly and say "This is how it IS!"

What am I missing? Surely a God, no matter which one is the right one, could just send his Army of Angels and just wipe it clean

Yeah I here people like Rdunk saying that is exactly what He is going to do... someday... well soon... maybe. So what's He waiting for? How much worse can it be before enough is enough?

Perhaps THAT is why so many lose faith...  because it's all words no action

Yeah Jesus likely has a spaceship. They beamed him up out of that cave, healed him in the medics office and then after saying goodbye to friends he flew back home. Given Einsteins theories he could return anytime soon and only be a few weeks older.  But he probably saw the mess down here and said screw it and went to Venus instead...

I would :P

yeah i know you don't say that about non catholic christians and as far as i can tell, nobody here does. it's mostly just people who don't know much about the history of christianity other than a few sound bites, such as when you mention anything to do with christianity, it's things like "inquisition inquistion."  and if you try to explain that many non catholic christians were also killed in the inquisition, it's "witch burnings, witch burnings."  and if you mention that it was mostly a catholic european event and only happened once in the usa and turned out to be a small community of paranoid people

and if you mention it was almost exclusively females being burned in europe, it's like some folks have lost the ability to separate ideas in their heads or come to grips with the fact that part of being a human being is compassion for others.  folks who just straight up hate every religion, are happy that islam is replacing christianity--- all christianity.   it's alot easier to get people to rise up in arms and murder, if the target is employing such backwards ideas as stonings, beheadings, and crucifixions.  had it been the other way around, it would be harder to justify killing people who have modern ideas.  so tptb are using islam to do it and then will raise up a sword against islam.  it's their modus operandi.  very easy to see it.

islam is like the vatican's lap dog and they are walking into a trap.  they don't know that, but it's also very easy to see it.  if you try to warn them they say things like "the end of the world will only come once we fight the jews and win."  they must not know that tptb already have that covered.  china march right thru their countries and do their version of ghenghis khan.

and it's all because at the tippety top, catholism, islam and talmudism, are basically hard core satanists, who have been working in cahoots with each other.  they will sacrifice every last member of their own religion or race or both, to get what they want.  they'll side with china and use them against islam, then get their own people to attack china, thereby relieving china of most of its population.   i theorize all the world leaders have jumped on the bandwagon and are helping each other kill each other's people.  eugenics.  and they all help hide the evidence in space.  and they allow each other to try new techololgies on each other's citizens.  it's bad. 

all the suffering and misery has to stop, i just don't see anyway for that to happen without creating more suffering and misery.

Well folks It's OFFICIAL  carried on Reuters today

Pope will have security, immunity by remaining in the Vatican

(http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20130215&t=2&i=704413187&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=700&pl=300&r=CBRE91E1GQD00)
By Philip Pullella
VATICAN CITY | Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:59pm EST

Quote(Reuters) - Pope Benedict's decision to live in the Vatican after he resigns will provide him with security and privacy. It will also offer legal protection from any attempt to prosecute him in connection with sexual abuse cases around the world, Church sources and legal experts say.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/15/us-pope-resignation-immunity-idUSBRE91E0ZI20130215

Holy Crap!!!!  Literally... seems we missed THIS a couple years back and on main stream news

Vatican bank assets seized in Rome
Tuesday, September 21, 2010 | 2:30 PM ET  CBC News

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The statue of the Lady of Lourdes is carried in a procession in Saint Peter's Square on Feb. 11.The statue of the Lady of Lourdes is carried in a procession in Saint Peter's Square on Feb. 11. (Max Rossi/Reuters)

QuoteItalian authorities have seized €23 million ($31 million Cdn) of Vatican bank assets as part of an investigation into suspected money laundering.

The Vatican said it was confused as to why financial police targeted the funds in a Vatican account at the Rome branch of the Italian bank Credito Artigiano Spa.

"The Holy See is perplexed and surprised by the initiatives of the Rome prosecutors, considering the data necessary is already available at the Bank of Italy," the Vatican said in a statement Tuesday.

Bank chairman Ettore Gotti Tedeschi and director-general Paolo Cipriani are also being investigated to determine whether European Union money-laundering rules have been violated, news reports said.

The Vatican said it has the "utmost faith" in the two men who head the bank, officially known as the Institute for Religious Works (IOR).

The probe is not the first time the bank has faced legal scrutiny. In the 1980s, it was implicated in a scandal that resulted in a banker being found hanging from Blackfriars Bridge in London.

Italian prosecutors maintain Roberto Calvi, head of the collapsed Banco Ambrosiano, was murdered, but there have been no convictions. The Vatican bank was Banco Ambrosiano's main shareholder.

In its statement responding to the latest investigation, the Vatican said it had been working for some time to make its finances more transparent to comply with anti-terrorism and anti-money laundering regulations.

The bulk of the money seized on Tuesday — €20 million — was destined for JP Morgan in Frankfurt, with the remainder going to Banca del Fucino, according to news agencies ANSA and Apcom.

According to the reports, the Vatican bank had neglected to communicate to financial authorities where the money had come from.

The reports stressed that Gotti Tedeschi wasn't being investigated for laundering money himself but for a series of omissions in financial transactions.

Prosecutors declined requests seeking confirmation of the reports.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2010/09/21/vatican-bank-funds-frozen.html

Quote from: undo11 on February 16, 2013, 04:05:39 PM
yeah i know you don't say that about non catholic christians and as far as i can tell, nobody here does. it's mostly just people who don't know much about the history of christianity other than a few sound bites, such as when you mention anything to do with christianity, it's things like "inquisition inquistion."  and if you try to explain that many non catholic christians were also killed in the inquisition, it's "witch burnings, witch burnings."  and if you mention that it was mostly a catholic european event and only happened once in the usa and turned out to be a small community of paranoid people

and if you mention it was almost exclusively females being burned in europe, it's like some folks have lost the ability to separate ideas in their heads or come to grips with the fact that part of being a human being is compassion for others.  folks who just straight up hate every religion, are happy that islam is replacing christianity--- all christianity.   it's alot easier to get people to rise up in arms and murder, if the target is employing such backwards ideas as stonings, beheadings, and crucifixions.  had it been the other way around, it would be harder to justify killing people who have modern ideas.  so tptb are using islam to do it and then will raise up a sword against islam.  it's their modus operandi.  very easy to see it.

islam is like the vatican's lap dog and they are walking into a trap.  they don't know that, but it's also very easy to see it.  if you try to warn them they say things like "the end of the world will only come once we fight the jews and win."  they must not know that tptb already have that covered.  china march right thru their countries and do their version of ghenghis khan.

and it's all because at the tippety top, catholism, islam and talmudism, are basically hard core satanists, who have been working in cahoots with each other.  they will sacrifice every last member of their own religion or race or both, to get what they want.  they'll side with china and use them against islam, then get their own people to attack china, thereby relieving china of most of its population.   i theorize all the world leaders have jumped on the bandwagon and are helping each other kill each other's people.  eugenics.  and they all help hide the evidence in space.  and they allow each other to try new techololgies on each other's citizens.  it's bad. 

all the suffering and misery has to stop, i just don't see anyway for that to happen without creating more suffering and misery.

I suggest...adding free energy. (z was right...)

well they just got a new guy..lol a german lawyer to head that bank



http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/15/us-vatican-bank-head-idUSBRE91E0N520130215

German appointed to head scandal-hit Vatican bank

By Robin Pomeroy

VATICAN CITY | Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:22pm EST

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - The Vatican appointed a German lawyer to head its bank on Friday, but the bid to turn the fortunes of the scandal-hit institution was clouded by his business links to a military shipbuilder.

The appointment, made by a commission of cardinals, was approved by Pope Benedict and is likely one of his last major decisions before he resigns at the end of the month, a move he announced on Monday, stunning Catholics around the world.

As chairman of the Institute for Works of Religion (IOR), Ernst von Freyberg will head efforts to improve the image of the Vatican's bank which is under investigation for money laundering and has been without a head for nine months.

But within minutes of announcing his appointment, the Vatican faced a new public relations challenge when asked to explain Freyberg's chairmanship of Blohm + Voss, a Hamburg-based shipbuilder in which he is a minority shareholder.

Reporters asked Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi how the Church could justify hiring someone who worked for a company with a long history of making warships, including for Nazi Germany.

After initially announcing that the company was no longer involved in that business, the Vatican later issued a statement saying that, while Blohm + Voss's main activity was ship repair and luxury yacht making, it was also "part of a consortium that is building four frigates for the German navy".

British buyout firm STAR Capital which bought Blohm + Voss in 2011 from ThyssenKrupp (TKAG.DE) said at the time it was acquiring the non-military parts of the industrial conglomerate's ship business.

Lombardi said the fact that Freyberg organized pilgrimages to the shrine at Lourdes and was a Knight of Malta - an elite member of a charitable organization with roots in the Crusades - was proof he had the "considerable human and Christian sensibility" needed for his new role.

In a further clarification, the Vatican said that when Blohm + Voss's work on the four warships is complete, the company "will be 100 percent non-military".

OUSTED

Freyberg takes a position that has been vacant since May when the bank's board ousted the then head Ettore Gotti Tedeschi, accusing the Italian of neglecting his basic management responsibilities.

Gotti Tedeschi's unusually abrupt dismissal, along with the arrest of the pope's butler for stealing confidential papal documents, was the culmination of a leaks scandal that shook the Vatican and weighed on Benedict's papacy.

The Vatican has been trying to shed its image as a suspect financial center since 1982, when Roberto Calvi, an Italian known as "God's Banker" because of his links to the Vatican, was found hanging from London's Blackfriars Bridge.

In July, a European anti-money laundering committee said the Vatican bank failed to meet all its standards on fighting money laundering, tax evasion and other financial crimes.

The report by Moneyval, a monitoring committee of the 47-nation Council of Europe, found the Vatican passed nine of 16 "key and core" aspects of its financial dealings.

The report said IOR was making changes to meet the other requirements but found major failings in the running of the bank.

In 2010, Rome magistrates froze 23 million euros ($33 million) that IOR held in an Italian bank. The Vatican said at the time that its bank was merely transferring its own funds between its own accounts in Italy and Germany. The money was released in June 2011 but the investigation is continuing.

"There is a desire to fight all the way against all aspects of illegality and criminality that have insinuated themselves into the world of the economy," Lombardi said of the appointment.

Freyberg, born in 1958, will relinquish other roles, including on the board of temporary employment agency Manpower GmbH (MAN.N), to work five days a week for IOR, the Vatican said. Lombardi had previously said he would work only three days a week at IOR.

Carl Anderson, American head of the worldwide Knights of Columbus charity group and board member of the IOR said Freyberg would "contribute significantly to the IOR's ongoing work of modernization and transparency".

(Editing by Philip Pullella and Jon Hemming)

and just one of the other small problems that poor old pope had was
the legion of christ stealing money and reproducing ::)



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/16/us/documents-on-bequest-to-legion-of-christ-are-released.html?_r=0

New Scrutiny for a Bequest to an Order of CatholicsBy SHARON OTTERMAN
Published: February 15, 2013
When Gabrielle D. Mee, a wealthy Rhode Island widow, left her $60 million fortune to a powerful Catholic order called the Legion of Christ in 2008, revelations had already begun to surface that its charismatic founder, the Rev. Marcial Maciel Degollado, had molested under-age seminarians and fathered several children.

But a niece of Mrs. Mee, Mary Lou Dauray, came to believe that her aunt must have been kept in the dark about Father Maciel's misdeeds, so that her fortune would go to the order. On Friday, thousands of pages of documents in a 2009 lawsuit that Mrs. Dauray filed were released to the public, shedding additional light on how the Legion managed information about its founder and came to control Mrs. Mee's money.

The documents had been sealed by the court, but several news organizations, including The New York Times, sued to have them released. A Rhode Island judge ruled on Thursday that there was no reason they should not be made public. They had not been fully reviewed by The Times by Friday night.

They include depositions given by top leaders of the Legion, including the Rev. Luis Garza, the current head of the Legion's North American operations.

Widowed in 1985, Mrs. Mee pledged her life to the order at age 80, and she promised that she would eventually release her assets to the organization. The papers explain how the order came to control most aspects of her life and include a deposition, given for another lawsuit, in which she explained how happy she was living with the order.

Mrs. Dauray's lawsuit was dismissed by a Rhode Island Superior Court judge last year, after he ruled that she lacked the legal standing to dispute the terms of her aunt's will. Bernard A. Jackvony, Mrs. Dauray's lawyer, said on Friday that he was filing an appeal.

"She was a very believing and trusting woman," said Mrs. Dauray, 72, who lives in California. She said she wanted her aunt's fortune to go to other Catholic charities. "I know that she wouldn't have given this money if she had known about the founder," she said.

A version of this article appeared in print on February 16, 2013, on page A15 of the New York edition with the headline: New Scrutiny For a Bequest To an Order Of Catholics..

yeah, i mean if enki is a real dude, and is still alive, (which i think he is, since we're created in his image initially and our bodies were totally regenerative before the nerf) i wonder what his response would be to the state of the planet at this point.  i know enlil would be pretty disgruntled.  but if i understand prophecy and new testament texts, jesus is gonna take ownership here real soon, particularly since he sealed the deal and in divine council lingo, this apparently means the lord of the command (enlil) will not be in command on this planet, very much longer. 

oh and this is for Z

satan does not equal lucifer

Quote from: undo11 on February 17, 2013, 08:46:43 AM
oh and this is for Z
satan does not equal lucifer

I know that... been saying that all along.  And I still say Lucifer was a good guy, in fact he may have been the first official "lightworker" :P


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i know you believe that lol
i just think at one point, i had tried to argue the point with you but now i'm pretty sure these are 2 different entities.

Cool :D Yeah you did... but that was during one of your errr... 'moments'   

Hey just found a Bob Lazar video, posted by his shop channel  posted Feb 12... but A51Watcher is not here :(

Iran Before 1979

Uploaded on Apr 10, 2011

This video (I created) reflects Iran during the time of the Shah when it was a modern, socially free, and a progressive nation with a blend of western and traditional values which made it a gem in Eurasia. These are a selection of photos from the 1940s, 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s.
Background music is by Iranian singer Googoosh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF47rrHd7wo

Quote from: zorgon on February 17, 2013, 10:09:07 AM
Cool :D Yeah you did... but that was during one of your errr... 'moments'   

Hey just found a Bob Lazar video, posted by his shop channel  posted Feb 12... but A51Watcher is not here :(

whatdaya mean "moments"?  just had a different opinion. lol

more on how the tight fist of the vatican is opening..yep the end is near

very long article with lots of details



By Jason Horowitz, Feb 16, 2013 11:38 PM EST

The Washington Post Published: February 16
Vatican City — Guests at the going-away party for Carlo Maria Viganò couldn't understand why the archbishop looked so forlorn. Pope Benedict XVI had appointed Viganò ambassador to the United States, a plum post where he would settle into a stately mansion on Massachusetts Avenue, across the street from the vice president's residence.

"He went through the ordeal making it very clear he was unhappy with it," said one former ambassador to the Vatican, who attended the Vatican Gardens ceremony in the late summer of 2011. "And we just couldn't figure out, us outsiders and non-Italians, what was going on."

There was no such confusion within Vatican walls. Benedict had installed Viganò to enact a series of reforms within the Vatican. But some of Rome's highest-ranking cardinals undercut the efforts and hastened Viganò's exile to the United States.

Viganò's plight and other unflattering machinations would soon become public in an unprecedented leak of the pontiff's personal correspondence. Much of the media — and the Vatican — focused on the source of the shocking security breach. Largely lost were the revelations contained in the letters themselves — tales of rivalry and betrayal, and allegations of corruption and systemic dysfunction that infused the inner workings of the Holy See and the eight-year papacy of Benedict XVI. Last week, he announced that he will become the first pope in nearly 600 years to resign.

The next pope may bring with him an invigorating connection to the Southern Hemisphere, a media magnetism or better leadership skills than the shy and cerebral Benedict. But whoever he may be, the 266th pope will inherit a gerontocracy obsessed with turf and Italian politics, uninterested in basic management practices and hostile to reforms.

VatiLeaks, as the scandal came to be known, dragged the fusty institution into the wild WikiLeaks era. It exposed the church bureaucracy's entrenched opposition to Benedict's fledgling effort to carve out a legacy as a reformer against the backdrop of a global child sex abuse scandal and the continued dwindling of his flock.

It showed how Benedict, a weak manager who may most be remembered for the way in which he left office, was no match for a culture that rejected even a modicum of transparency and preferred a damage-control campaign that diverted attention from the institution's fundamental problems. Interviews in Rome with dozens of church officials, Vatican insiders and foreign government officials close to the church, many of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of retribution, mapped out that hermetic universe.

"We can reveal the face of the church and how this face is, at times, disfigured," Benedict said in his final homily on Ash Wednesday. "I am thinking in particular of the sins against the unity of the church, of the divisions in the body of the church." He called for his ministry to overcome "individualism" and "rivalry," saying they were only for those "who have distanced themselves from the faith."

continued here

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/pope-benedict-xvis-leaked-documents-show-fractured-vatican-full-of-rivalries/2013/02/16/23ce0280-76c2-11e2-8f84-3e4b513b1a13_story.html

Quote from: zorgon on February 16, 2013, 11:01:41 PM
Holy Crap!!!!  Literally... seems we missed THIS a couple years back and on main stream news

I posted on it, over yonder. It is a very long trail, and was
amazed to find it has tentacles to the P2.

I need to do a long thread on that...its very intriquing.

a little pope humor here



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German calendar might have freakishly predicted the pope's resignation

5 days ago Talk about incredible timing. On February 10, a German daily calendar was accompanied by a comic illustration that reportedly predicted Pope Benedict XVI's resignation down to the day. In the cartoon, the pope holds up a winning lottery ticket and cries "Holy straw sack! Tomorrow I quit!" (His Holiness probably didn't resign because he won the lottery — though it makes more sense than some of those other conspiracy theories.)

The comic's illustrator Katharina Greve, who drew the comic in 2011 as a tribute to the then-recently departed German cartoonist Loriot, remarked that the coincidence was "very funny."


source (http://www.rhein-zeitung.de/startseite_artikel,-Papst-Ruecktritt-Cartoon-Kalender-wusste-es-schon-am-Sonntag-_arid,553270.html)

Hi Amy,

Sorry I missed your and other  replies to my reptilian comments..

Alex Jones refers to people making comments about him and Paul Watson... so I did a quick search and to my surprise this is what I found...  seems that we were not the only ones who were a bit shocked /surprised by it...It is no doubt all rather weird !

IF Reptilians are here... then who knows what to make of it !  :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKTAHM2F5V0

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Quote from: Amaterasu on February 13, 2013, 06:40:08 AM
OMG.  That's just CREEPY!  I see one very dark eye, and one very light, almost olive green eye - and the mouth...twisted and inhuman looking.  Sent shivers down Me spine.  Literally!

And yup. I was thinking the same thing.  Was watching the Jesse Ventura piece about reptilians - They found a LOT of info pointing to reptilians...but then dismissed the whole because David Icke makes money on giving lectures & books and stuff.

To ME, it was clearly writing off the whole thing.  I even got the sense that Icke & Ventura might have been playing by a script.

Heh.  Yeah, We were not the only Ones to catch that.

What I say in response to Catholicism now, is what I have said before.

The Vatican, and Christianity itself in broader terms, is an energetically and archetypically Piscean institution...and Pisces is now over.

I believe in the prophecy of Malachy.  I believe that the next Pope will be the last, Petrus Romanus; and that afterwards, the Vatican will cease to exist.  Christianity will continue to exist, but at less than 5% of its' former numbers.  This is a good thing, and it needs to happen.  The true elect have never been a large number.

Quote from: petrus4 on February 21, 2013, 09:57:57 AMThe true elect have never been a large number.

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Quote from: petrus4 on February 21, 2013, 09:57:57 AM
What I say in response to Catholicism now, is what I have said before.

The Vatican, and Christianity itself in broader terms, is an energetically and archetypically Piscean institution...and Pisces is now over.

I believe in the prophecy of Malachy.  I believe that the next Pope will be the last, Petrus Romanus; and that afterwards, the Vatican will cease to exist.  Christianity will continue to exist, but at less than 5% of its' former numbers.  This is a good thing, and it needs to happen.  The true elect have never been a large number.

IMO, the "Vatican and the Pope" have NOTHING/NO INFLUENCE on anything but the Catholic segment of the Church.

It is interesting to often hear only "unbelievers" saying the the Church of Jesus Christ is going away, because of this and that in our society. Well........that is the very truth, because it is going away! And when it does "go away", all hell is going to break out on this planet, as the "end of days" approaches. And yes of course, that is straight out of that so-called-by-some fictional book - - The Bible.

Oh happy day!! :)) 

Quote from: sky otter on February 18, 2013, 12:40:57 AM
a little pope humor here



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German calendar might have freakishly predicted the pope's resignation

5 days ago Talk about incredible timing. On February 10, a German daily calendar was accompanied by a comic illustration that reportedly predicted Pope Benedict XVI's resignation down to the day. In the cartoon, the pope holds up a winning lottery ticket and cries "Holy straw sack! Tomorrow I quit!" (His Holiness probably didn't resign because he won the lottery — though it makes more sense than some of those other conspiracy theories.)

The comic's illustrator Katharina Greve, who drew the comic in 2011 as a tribute to the then-recently departed German cartoonist Loriot, remarked that the coincidence was "very funny."


source (http://www.rhein-zeitung.de/startseite_artikel,-Papst-Ruecktritt-Cartoon-Kalender-wusste-es-schon-am-Sonntag-_arid,553270.html)

That date resonates with me  ;D ;D ;D

Quote from: rdunk on February 21, 2013, 04:57:13 PM
IMO, the "Vatican and the Pope" have NOTHING/NO INFLUENCE on anything but the Catholic segment of the Church.

It is interesting to often hear only "unbelievers" saying the the Church of Jesus Christ is going away, because of this and that in our society. Well........that is the very truth, because it is going away! And when it does "go away", all hell is going to break out on this planet, as the "end of days" approaches. And yes of course, that is straight out of that so-called-by-some fictional book - - The Bible.

Oh happy day!! :))

I listened to quite an interesting program on the radio two nights ago with an author who has just finished and published a book about China.  It was quite funny to hear a Joke between the pair (interviewer and the interviewee) comparing the the Vatican with The CCP in regards to voting and population and how no-one gets a choice in that matter :D

That's not meant as a dig either!   ;)

"CCP"? 

Concealed Carry Permit?  ;)

Quote from: rdunk on February 21, 2013, 11:54:31 PM
"CCP"? 

Concealed Carry Permit?  ;)

That's probably more true than we care to entertain hey LOL

:D

Quote from: petrus4 on February 21, 2013, 09:57:57 AM
What I say in response to Catholicism now, is what I have said before.

The Vatican, and Christianity itself in broader terms, is an energetically and archetypically Piscean institution...and Pisces is now over.

I believe in the prophecy of Malachy.  I believe that the next Pope will be the last, Petrus Romanus; and that afterwards, the Vatican will cease to exist.  Christianity will continue to exist, but at less than 5% of its' former numbers.  This is a good thing, and it needs to happen.  The true elect have never been a large number.

not to toot my own theoretical horn, but it seems to me that, if enki is jesus, and enki is depicted as aquarius (with water flowing from a jug and/or his shoulders), that what is happening is not the end of christianity per sey, but the end of confusion on the subject.  that is if my theory is correct about the identity of enki.

Being an aqua dragon....:D

sorry couldn't help myself undo  ;D

Quote from: Somamech on February 22, 2013, 12:40:27 AM
Being an aqua dragon....:D

sorry couldn't help myself undo  ;D

reminds me of the verses in the end of the book of revelation.   apocalypse means the revealing, the end of mystery.  in other words, no more need for mystery religions because everyone will have equal access to the data.   the text is also saying the catholic church is a mystery religion, meaning that they are hiding information, and that the information will be revealed to everyone .

this suggests that whatever it is we are supposed to have access to,  and is currently being veiled from our eyes now, will no longer be veiled.   and all will have real equal opportunity, rather than the current  duality where races and nations and genders and religions are played off against each so the leaders of the mystery groups, can maintain their stranglehold on the planet and the sentient occupants of it.  this revealing, i think, will solve every problem the planet has.

Frankly, I see more and more information on a plethora of subjects coming to light, being admitted to, and I have thought more than once...  These days ARE the apocalypse.

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 22, 2013, 01:32:07 AM
Frankly, I see more and more information on a plethora of subjects coming to light, being admitted to, and I have thought more than once...  These days ARE the apocalypse.

quite likely, but i think there's even more and i think you know there is too.  you can feel it, can't ya?  all that will be revealed to everyone. 

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 22, 2013, 01:32:07 AM
  These days ARE the apocalypse.

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Hmmm maybe it is just slowly creeping in on us. Remember the McArthy years?  One day we woke up and there was a Commie in every closet...

ONE MAN did this...

"Joseph Raymond "Joe" McCarthy (November 14, 1908 – May 2, 1957) was an American politician who served as a Republican U.S. Senator from the state of Wisconsin from 1947 until his death in 1957. Beginning in 1950, McCarthy became the most visible public face of a period in which Cold War tensions fueled fears of widespread Communist subversion. He was noted for making claims that there were large numbers of Communists and Soviet spies and sympathizers inside the United States federal government and elsewhere. Ultimately, his tactics and inability to substantiate his claims led him to be censured by the United States Senate.

The term McCarthyism, coined in 1950 in reference to McCarthy's practices, was soon applied to similar anti-communist activities. Today the term is used more generally in reference to demagogic, reckless, and unsubstantiated accusations, as well as public attacks on the character or patriotism of political opponents."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy

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Quote from: undo11 on February 22, 2013, 02:12:33 AM
quite likely, but i think there's even more and i think you know there is too.  you can feel it, can't ya?  all that will be revealed to everyone.

Oh, absolutely!  I'm just saying We're already in the process of apocalypse.

jesus said, my people hear my voice.

i don't think he meant we would have voices talking in our heads. lol

it also says, we shall know each other, as we have been known. 
that suggests there is no veil at that point.

so if heaven is all around us but invisible to us because of the veil, that will no longer be the case.

Quote from: undo11 on February 22, 2013, 02:35:44 AM
jesus said, my people hear my voice.
i don't think he meant we would have voices talking in our heads. lol

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Quote from: zorgon on February 22, 2013, 02:39:36 AM
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translation ?

Quote from: rdunk on February 21, 2013, 04:57:13 PM
IMO, the "Vatican and the Pope" have NOTHING/NO INFLUENCE on anything but the Catholic segment of the Church.

Rdunk,

Do you mean really no influence. In the world?
What about The Holy See, and all of its medling into
politics, and world affairs?

I am just asking.  :)

Well, what do you know, what to make of this.
I have been expecting this for a while, now it finally
comes to pass.

This may need its own thread, but putting it here for continuity.

A Seat for the Papacy at Mt Zion In Jerusalem

QuoteAn historic agreement has been drafted between Israel and the Vatican. The Israeli authorities have granted the Pope an official seat in the room where the Last Supper is believed to have taken place, on Mount Zion in Jerusalem, and where David and Solomon, Jewish kings of Judea, are considered by some researchers, to also be buried.

It is the culmination of a long campaign by the Catholic Church to regain religious stewardship over the place where Jesus is supposed to have broken bread and drunk wine with his disciples on the eve of his crucifixion.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/12814

I am most curious as to what this "seat" is going to be?

Aside from granting access to The Upper Room (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David's_Tomb) by The Vatican, is this seat an allegorical
( as in authority)  or to be a real seat,
or even a  thone of some sort, or both?



'Israel, Vatican Near Historic Relationship Upgrade' (http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=301475)

QuoteThe most contentious was the issue of sovereignty over the Last Supper Room, with the Catholic Church demanding ownership, and Israel not willing to relinquish it. The two sides have essentially agreed to disagree on the matter, but not let it stand in the way of the overall accord.....

The agreement also works out the issue of expropriating Church property for infrastructure purposes, with a list of five sites – including the Mount of Beatitudes and Capernaum near Lake Kinneret (the Sea of Galilee) and the Church of the Annunciation in Nazareth – where land expropriation would not be allowed except for public safety in situations of emergency, and then only after coordination with the Church.

Israel and Vatican on the Verge of Historic Agreement  (http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/01/31/israel-and-vatican-on-the-verge-of-historic-agreement/)

Jordan condemns alleged deal between Israel and Vatican over Jerusalem (http://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/5253-jordan-condemns-alleged-deal-between-israel-and-vatican-over-jerusalem)

Vatican, Israel Reach Historic Deal on Last Supper site (http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=7230)

Indeed, we live in the most interesting of times.

Wow, BTS...  That does have import.  One has to be amused at the TIMING!  Lessee...grant this honor just as a pope is leaving in extreme disgrace.  Hmmmmmm.

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 22, 2013, 03:59:59 AM
One has to be amused at the TIMING!

Yes, the timing! And to think of the implictions of this,
it is staggering. This has been my theory for some time,
that in the end Israel and The Vatican would hold hands.

This involves 6 ancient sites so far, I am sure many more will come.

This is a true power partnership....yes it will impact religion
in a big way, but the power implications are seemingly endless.

bts

i think the upper room reference is a metaphor for the kings chamber in the pyramid of khufu.

i havent connected all the loose ends on that yet, however.  for example, if the ark of the covenant was the contents of the kings sarcophagus in the kings chamber, how does that correlate to dinner with enki?

i think it's a metaphor, not for dinner with enki, but rather the dinner adapa attended in the palace of anu, in  which enki told him, beforehand, not to drink or eat what was offered him by the gods.  i see the last supper as a reference to that because it was during the original event, that the adapa lost his opportunity for eternal life, and in the last supper event, the adapa regains the opportunity for eternal life.

now if we consider enki was the one present during the creation of  man, and was also told to make a modification to the dna of the adam (the adapa) during which the way of the tree of life was cut off, the dinner with the gods is the same thing, couched in different terminololgy.

enki is the one responsible for the nerf to our dna because the decision was made by the council to withhold eternal life from the adam, and so the geneticist (enki) was told to do the deed.  this is characterized in the sumerian version, with enki telling the adapa not to eat or drink the food of the gods at the dinner.  in genesis it is characterized, not only by the decision to block off the tree of life, but also the adam being told not to eat of the tree of knowledge, since the decision to block the tree of life was as a result of the tree of knowledge (procreation) being added to the adam dna.

so the last supper is enki showing how this nerf to our dna would be fixed.  the text refers to the repaired body as a body without corruption.  since corruption=sin, and sin=procreation, the new and upgraded version, doesn't reproduce via procreation (therefore no ovulation and no blood rituals (ancient kings having to drink chemicals in menstrual blood no longer necessary), thus restoring our original, eternal adam bodies.  this also seems to suggest that the water of life is from the tree of life, not procreation and will not be blood, but rather complete and permanent repair of our actual dna.  the tree of life was total and permanent regeneration, no destruct code, no more shedding of blood.

enlil is associated with his son, sin, who basically condemned the adapa (the adam)  to death (blocking of the tree of life) after disagreeing with the adapa being able to procreate.  i still can't figure out why enki insisted on giving the procreation ability. why was it a necessary addition, unless the story is even more tangled up than i had originally noticed.

anyway, let's go back to the upper room in the king's chamber.  how does this translate to all that?  well if there was a gate in that room, a gate to the palace of anu, perhaps on another planet or even in another dimension???, the upper room would be the upper room in a very big way. 

man the metaphors are all over the place in the last supper.

so in effect, the whole thing with the pope is a smoke screen

Undo,

Wow, everything you have stated makes perfect sense!

If I remember correct, King David was buried in the
City of David, which is Zion (Sion), south of The Temple Mount.

To my knowledge, they have never uncovered the actual site.

Instead, Where they have King Davids tomb now is 
in the area of The Cenacle room, at Mt Zion.

This is the area that the Pope will have access to,
and will have a "seat". I assume he will also have a throne
as he does at The Vatican. By the way, I dont think this is
exclusive to Benedict, this is a new accord, and will
serve to all future Popes, and give The Catholic Church
say in the actual real estate somehow.

I just can not fathom a Catholic Throne inside the Cenacle
area....this must have some Jewish people very upset.

A few pages back, I remember saying that I had views that
were different than most people, well this is exactly what
I had in mind. This is only the beginning of the end.

it was constantine's mother that decided the location of the sacred spots of jesus in jerusalem and israel.  evidence seems to indicate, today, that most of the places she selected, were incorrect. lol   

so all of this huff puffery will be for no reason whatsoever but to make us think these are real sacred places being graced by the popes to the chagrin of the jewish people.  doh.

Quote from: undo11 on February 22, 2013, 05:06:48 AM


so all of this huff puffery will be for no reason whatsoever but to make us think these are real sacred places being graced by the popes to the chagrin of the jewish people.  doh.

Yes, that and to transfer the power from the two into the one,
which is coming.

why is the rcc characterized in revelation as being drunk on the blood of the saints?  i think they are still drinking menstrual blood chemicals, as are several royal houses, and in many cases, they appear to kill the people who's blood they intend to drink.  it sounds sorta dracula, but what it actually is,  is just a sad case of not realizing that eternal life has nothing to do with anything associated with procreation.  that's why the text says, jesus' death was the last sacrifice necessary.  i guess they disagree  cause they are apparently still at it, when they don't need to be, and refuse to change their viewpoint too, which is weird.  why would you choose longer life over eternal life?  these are different things!

Quote from: undo11 on February 22, 2013, 05:20:43 AM
why is the rcc characterized in revelation as being drunk on the blood of the saints?

Well, they have killed a lot of people in the past, and if I see the future
correctly, they will kill a lot of people to come.

They the RCC and Israel will be directly involved with the Antichrist
rise to power, and the mark of the beast.

Hand in hand they will go. 

Edit to add, neither one of them has a claim to eternal life,
the Jewish reject Jesus Christ as Messiah, The RCC deny the
power of Jesus Christ by way of the Pope being equal to Jesus.

Quote from: burntheships on February 22, 2013, 05:27:17 AM
Well, they have killed a lot of people in the past, and if I see the future
correctly, they will kill a lot of people to come.

They the RCC and Israel will be directly involved with the Antichrist
rise to power, and the mark of the beast.

Hand in hand they will go.

yeah, i'm kinda hoping that we don't have to sit here and watch it unfold like some macabre theater. i don't do horror movies and would be right ticked off if i had to deal with the end results of it, as well.   one death is enough, thanks anyway.  i'm ready for enki (jesus) to swing by and pick us up, preferably for the simple reason that we realize eternal life doesn't come from drinking real blood (it's a metaphor for something else, for cripes sake! what's the metaphor, think think).

Quote from: undo11 on February 22, 2013, 05:31:57 AM
  one death is enough, thanks anyway.  i'm ready for enki (jesus) to swing by and pick us up,

I hope so, otherwise what are our options? Try and hide , not being
able to buy and sell. But its looking like this is going to be a reality,
lets hope its a short one any way it goes down.

Quotewe realize eternal life doesn't come from drinking real blood (it's a metaphor for something else, for cripes sake! what's the metaphor, think think).

Go on, lets hear it dear lady.

As I understand it...Jesus asked the apostles whether they wanted to leave,
the apostle Peter answered "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Messiah, the Son of the Living God" (6:68). They had no thought about the Eucharist,
much less that the bread and wine are changed into the flesh and blood of Christ. They had understood well what Jesus meant all the way. He was claiming to be the Messiah; and they confessed their faith in Him, then being no longer dead in sins and unbelief.

Quote from: burntheships on February 22, 2013, 05:46:39 AM
I hope so, otherwise what are our options? Try and hide , not being
able to buy and sell. But its looking like this is going to be a reality,
lets hope its a short one any way it goes down.


Go on, lets hear it dear lady.

As I understand it...Jesus asked the apostles whether they wanted to leave,
the apostle Peter answered "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Messiah, the Son of the Living God" (6:68). They had no thought about the Eucharist,
much less that the bread and wine are changed into the flesh and blood of Christ. They had understood well what Jesus meant all the way. He was claiming to be the Messiah; and they confessed their faith in Him, then being no longer dead in sins and unbelief.

sounds right to me :D

unrelated video here, but i thought it had some interesting photography. especially footage of the pyramid.  i was like.....hey, what's that on the side of the pyramid.  there's some symbol on the surface up towards the top, and you don't see it till the camera pans up and back from the pyramid.  never seen that before

area where i see it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Ztdl2p4ODOw#t=1860s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Ztdl2p4ODOw#t=1860s)

whole video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztdl2p4ODOw

Quote from: burntheships on February 22, 2013, 03:40:23 AM
Rdunk,

Do you mean really no influence. In the world?
What about The Holy See, and all of its medling into
politics, and world affairs?

I am just asking.  :)

Yes, Vatican and hierarchy does get into a fair amount of stuff, as they are in a lot of places.

I mean no influence on me, and I assume not on most of the Protestant world. Because the Catholic church is way off base with some of what they believe, even salvation appears to be a stumbling block for many.

I pay no real attention to what goes on in the Vatican and associated community of the Pope, nor the Catholic church, so no real influence in the Protestant world of Christianity, with all that I have seen.

However, the Pope always gets a lot of news coverage!

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At the exact moment he resigned, this happened:

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/images/ODD/Lightning3.jpg)

Someone up there is not happy, it seems ::)

 ;D

ok.. i'm only going to copy the headline cause it cracked me up on several levels
...article is at the link


Pope Benedict XVI Resigned Partly Because Of Powerful Vatican Gay Lobby, Italian Paper Claims  


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/21/pope-benedict-resigned-vatican-gay-lobby-paper-claims_n_2735642.html

dang.. too late to modify the last one
i'm just enjoying the headlines without the bs of the articles




'GOSSIP, MISINFORMATION, AND SOMETIMES SLANDER'

Vatican Slams Report That Gay Scandal Led To Pope's Resignation...
But Doesn't Deny Rumor


here's the link if you want to read all about it

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/23/vatican-gay-scandal_n_2748470.html

i probably shouldn't be enjoyin the sillyness of this so much but darn


pwm there were two strikes.... and after seeing your pic above i was reminded of the two strikes and then i could hear tony orlando singing




chorus
Oh my darlin
knock three times on the ceiling if you want me
mmmm twice on the pipe if the answer is no
oh my sweetness
means you'll meet me in the hallway
oh twice on the pipe means you ain't gonna show


Lightning struck the Vatican not once but TWICE - hours after Pope Benedict XVI's shock resignation.

The spooky moment, believed by some, to be a sign from God, was caught on camera by AFP photographer Filippo Monteforte.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/lightning-bolt-hit-vatican-not-1705156


8)

Quotei don't think black people are any less capable of being intelligent. they are just not held to the same standards, and that is because the eugenicists want them to survive and white folks to disappear.

Why?

Smart is smart, i've met smart russians, chinese, africans...even some smart americans!
I would have thought eugenicists will just want smart people's genes, no matter what race they are from.

Quoteonce it starts, however, they will kill off most of the european whites in the usa, not just the conservatives but most of the liberals also, regardless of religion and regardless of political party. it will be race-based entirely. the liberal socialists of white skin will be killed as well, and survivors will flee to other, non muslim lands like
china, if any  non muslim lands remain.

That's pretty Doom & Gloom isn't it?
Here in Europe we have had a long time to integrate, no it isn't perfect, but when push comes to shove it won't be a race issue, or even one of belief.
It will be simply us against them.
I've seen it happen, poor whites, blacks & asians from the ghetto fighting with Thatcher's police army in the 80's. The greater the gap between rich & poor, the closer is the bond between ethnic groups....

Zorgon;

QuoteSo the world is going to Hell in a hand basket? what else is new? Too old to worry about it... and we didn't luck out this time and get annihilated by a space rock... Oh well there will be more  One will get us sooner or later. There are literally hundreds of craters on Earth  and that will end the religious folly really fast

My thoughts exactly.
We should all worship the big rocks that fall from the sky ::)
Pray to them to fall somewhere else, for example.......

Undo;

Quoteof course, i'm handicapped by that verse that says "do unto others as you would have them do unto you," and i don't want to be killed just because someone disagrees with me, so naturally i should not want to kill someone else i may disagree with.  the former is what has kept this planet in a perpetual state of killing, and the latter is a personal choice, which is not enforceable either.

True, that's why the bible can be interpreted in so many ways, on one page it says 'an eye for an eye' and yet on another page 'turn the other cheek' etc.
I prefer to err on the side of 'goodness', and only strike out when struck, and then only for defense. I would not want to force my will on anyone, no matter what i thought of them.

Master Po say:
'Run, rather than fight.
Fight, rather than get hurt.
Hurt, rather than maim.
Maim, rather than kill.
Kill, rather than die'

QuoteYeah Jesus likely has a spaceship. They beamed him up out of that cave, healed him in the medics office and then after saying goodbye to friends he flew back home. Given Einsteins theories he could return anytime soon and only be a few weeks older.  But he probably saw the mess down here and said screw it and went to Venus instead...

I would

Yeah, me too :)
Tony Orlando LOL
Yes i got the pic from a dutch paper who got the story from AFP, apparently confirmed by a Dutch priest in rome.... ::)

Had i seen it, it might have caused me to doubt my atheism :D

wow...headline is





Mild Earthquake Strikes Castel Gandolfo, Pope Emeritus' Home, Just Days After He Arrives:

Report
Posted: 03/03/2013 2:27 pm EST  |  Updated: 03/03/2013 3:04 pm EST


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/03/mild-earthquake-strikes-castel-gandolfo-pope-home_n_2801969.html?utm_hp_ref=world&ir=World