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If these thoughts have been posted elsewhere specifically, I did do a search to try to find an answer here and came up empty handed.  OTOH, perhaps the above question needs to be addressed periodically.

Why hasn't full disclosure happened?  Why no 'The Day The Earth Stood Still'?  What prevents them from openly manifesting themselves?

Silly as it all may seem, I think the New Age Ascension types may have a point:  we're not ready and there are a number of obstacles.  If insiders/Dr. Greer are to be believed,  ET's are explicit about it - Get your planet in better shape and stop warring, monkey-boys  (OK, that last bit was from Buckaroo Bonzai).

If war and division are the obstacles, then what are the minimum requirements for Disclosure and Glorious Unification With All Those Nice Galactics?  How about.....

Settle North Korea permanently.  Labor camps, starvation, horror, death and ceaseless threats.  Pushing other nations towards nukes (which ETs don't like).   This bleeding sore has got to go - and it will require huge resources to repair it after the Kim dynasty falls.

Transform Israel away from Zionist threats - you can't have endless calls for wars with Iran - that would go global very quickly.  They need one man, one vote unity that treats Palestinians as full citizens.

Disempower the Neo-Con, Military-Industrial Complex - that needs new enemies to justify its existence.  Perhaps full exposure of 9/11 would be enough to END their misrule.  As it is, the world is losing faith in the 9/11 narrative, almost daily.

There are other obstacles (Evil Banks) but they can be deal with after Full Disclosure, in its wake.  Once the opposition above is removed,  the threat of triggered 'false flag' rebellion stops ( as with Cabal types screaming "Aliens! War Of The Worlds! INVASION!!!!!!).

That's pretty much what I speculate....... as always, your mileage may vary.

I think what disturbs Me most is that, even in the controlled state most are in, Humans on the whole want to get along - and it is because of war profiteering by the few that propaganda and lies are promulgated to ensure war.  Corporate profit motive ensures that the cheapest and not the cleanest approach to manufacturing is the path taken.  Waste is rampant as "planned obsolescence" abounds in the products produced, again driven by profit.

So...  In order to "[g]et [Our] planet in better shape and stop warring (, monkey-boys)," We Humans must eliminate corporate profit motive.  This will end war profiteering, dirty production, and products made to fail.  And, as most here know, I have shown that free energy is the key to removing all said problems.

Point is, MOST Humans are (or could be, with such motive removed and therefore such lies and propaganda) willing to get along and simple avoid Those They do not like.  Without profit motive, wars would dwindle to nothing.

They're here. We are the microbe on the slide.

Having observed Civil Service (the CSEA), I must insist that the profit motive is a critical discipline. 

However, there is the question of scale.  I think Germany does quite well with corporations that are in the middle as to size.  They also pay executives much less, perhaps as a result. The Too Big To Fail Banks in the US are inherently evil.

Buddha had it right: the Middle path.

But you bring up a related question: why haven't they given us free energy?  I can only suppose that we're not ready for that, either.  Perhaps it would cause chaos.

Quote from: Eighthman on March 30, 2013, 05:41:21 PM
If these thoughts have been posted elsewhere specifically, I did do a search to try to find an answer here and came up empty handed.  OTOH, perhaps the above question needs to be addressed periodically.

Why humons are not ready I have posted many times  in fact just a few minutes ago here
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=4123.msg54831#msg54831

With the whole 2012 issue that went nuts on the web then was a no show... the new agers taking credit for stopping it... well it just shows how hu-mons truly are still in kindergarten... they will jump on ANYTHING and make up any 'fact' to back their claim

Why is there no disclosure? Why are the ET not helping us?

Well what if there are no ET around here right now (not counting the plasma critters that live here ;) )

Quote from: Eighthman on March 30, 2013, 06:26:16 PM
Buddha had it right: the Middle path.

AH now we are on the same page  :D

Quote from: Eighthman on March 30, 2013, 05:41:21 PM
Why hasn't full disclosure happened?  Why no 'The Day The Earth Stood Still'?  What prevents them from openly manifesting themselves?

It HAS happened. "The Day the Earth Stood Still" 1951 version was a real story. Look in our UFO section I have already posted all those visits in the 50's from "Venusians" who looked like us. That was the time Eisenhower signed the agreement, that was the time the SERPO story is based on, That was the time of the signing of the Greada Treaty

You people all want disclosure but you listen to the likes of Greer and ignore the real facts that have been on file for decades

QuoteSilly as it all may seem, I think the New Age Ascension types may have a point:  we're not ready and there are a number of obstacles.  If insiders/Dr. Greer are to be believed,  ET's are explicit about it - Get your planet in better shape and stop warring, monkey-boys  (OK, that last bit was from Buckaroo Bonzai).

Those that say the human race is not ready for ascension are correct, but before 2012 many new agers were promising that mass ascension would happen on Dec 21...  These people are just as deluded as the doomsday crowd....  There IS NO FREE RIDE... we have many lifetimes to go before we are even close to ascension. Even the Dalia Lama is still here on Earth teaching

Those people that see ET in EVERYTHING are just as delusional. yes there are ET  yes some have visited...

But what 90% of people think are ET are really plasma critters. black ops ships, and products of the mind likely triggered by the imps that live between worlds that Tuesday Lobsang Rampa warned us about :P

Quote from: Eighthman on March 30, 2013, 06:26:16 PM
But you bring up a related question: why haven't they given us free energy?  I can only suppose that we're not ready for that, either.  Perhaps it would cause chaos.

What is 'free energy'?

Solar power is free energy... for a few thousand buck (at commercial rates  -- a few hundred do it your self) you can get off the grid and have all the electricity you can use. You can use that electricity to split water into hydrogen and oxygen, something they taught in high school basic science in my day :P and for a few hundred buck convert your car to run on water

But people are LAZY  They want someone else to do the work so they can get it free. Some people here want robots to do everything. Others are sitting on their fat ass waiting for ET to swoop down and do everything for us.

Why should they? What have hu-mons done to deserve a free ride?

The religions heave one saying that I like  "God helps those that help themselves"

Get over it no ET worth his salt is going to do it for you... WHY should they? What will you learn if you just get everything handed to you on a silver platter? Isn't that what everyone bitches about with the ELITE having been fed with a silver spoon?

The Universe is full of free energy, just need to COLLECT it  You don't need some weird woo woo overunity device, 99% of which are crackpot designs that will never work and just look to suck in money.

Put solar panels on the roof, a wind turbine in the yard and use water in the gas tank :P  Farmers on the Praries used wind power to pump water out of the ground... Medieval grain mills used a water wheel to grind grain  All free energy...

Today we use that same water wheel in a dam to turn a bunch of copper wires in a magnetic field... to make electricity

Today we use nuclear energy to BOIL WATER to make steam to turn a wheel to  to turn a bunch of copper wires in a magnetic field... to make electricity

Our ancestors had a steam engine... they used wood to boil the water. They even had a car that was a steam engine

A nuke plant is just a very messy steam engine :P

Put a scrubber on a chimney and use coal, or wood, or even TRASH to boil water  same thing and you solve the trash problem


Don't look to ET for free handouts...  If they really wanted to do that they would have. But after we shot them down at Roswell, WHY would they :P

Quote from: Eighthman on March 30, 2013, 06:26:16 PM
Having observed Civil Service (the CSEA), I must insist that the profit motive is a critical discipline. 

"Profit" is a relative term...

Physical trainers use the term "No Pain... No Gain"  The message being that if you don't work hard to excel at building your body, you won't be getting that gold medal

Hu-mons are wired to seek profit or gain as a motivational force to better ourselves. Its not only in money, its in the need to excel in sports, arts, science, whatever.

If you take away our drive or need to gain 'profit' you will stagnate the race as a whole. A child mastering a new skill will do better if they get positive rewards... but if you tell that same child his/her efforts were not good enough, that child will be destroyed

Maybe what the world needs is less useless eaters that are sitting on their ass waiting for free handouts from ET :P

We're past the question of "Do ETs exist," and I can tell you why they haven't landed yet en mass...

First off, there are so many different kinds of ETs out there and even among us that you might genuinely freak out to meet them. Some are insect-looking, some reptilian, some have cat-like features and some are eerily similar to ourselves.

The fact is that our own DNA is a composite of several types of alien DNA amalgamated to put us into the basic form we experience today. The wrinkly skin is a combination of reptilian and primate, the musculature and ligaments are a combination of insect and cetacious...we're a junk drawer put-together adapted for this particular environment.

WHY HAVEN'T THEY LANDED YET?

The policy of the Galactic Federation of Light (a like-minded association of many kinds of alien beings, most of which we derive our genetics from) presently monitoring and guarding our solar system and planet, is that intervention is only allowed once we have matured enough as a species. Before full contact will be made with us we must evolve to a point where we can differ in philosophy without killing one another for our beliefs. We are nearly there, in the bigger scheme of things, but not there yet.

GFL representatives have been interacting with our leaders since mankind was injected into this planet. These leaders have thus enjoyed semi-godlike status in the past, but now that our understanding has matured a bit we see that technology is NOT magic, and our leaders are certainly not gods. In fact, aliens are imperfect as well--a tough concept for most to appreciate fully.

Aside from the recovery of crashed intergalactic personal craft by governments around the globe, ETs have given our leaders examples of their craft to replicate, and they have tried to teach us how to create vessels symbiotic to ourselves. We are frequency-based beings, and their craft appear more like living entities than vehicles we're accustomed to because these craft can interact with us via our unique frequency spectrum which some call an aura, our chakras. Once aboard you will notice aches and pains or other discomforts fading away. The ship itself knows how you need to be "tuned" in order for you to be comfortable. Our leaders still can't replicate this in our back-engineering of their craft--yet.

Intrinsic in every craft is a sort of liquid memory film applied to and within everything in the craft. To the eye it seems like the colorful sheen of oil on water being illuminated by sunlight. The metals and metal-like fabrics of these ships contains actual micro processing capability interfaced with this liquid memory substance applied in a process similar to what you see happening via the Hutchison Effect, only different. Metallurgy will undergo a quantum evolution once we learn to infuse various kinds of non-metallic substances right into the metals without using heat. Our so-called leaders may already have a clue; ETs are imparting info to them all the time.

BACK TO WHY THEY HAVEN'T LANDED YET--

Once we learn to accept others who don't look or think the way we do in sufficient proportion, they will land. We are going to see a steady increase of their craft in our skies until no one can deny that they are here. The next step is to discuss openly the FACT that they're here in a way that doesn't cause panic, doesn't create hostility and is scientifically neutral. Baby steps are happening now, and many of us (myself included) have been approached by ETs.

I have met a very tall (7 foot) reptilian who was utterly indifferent to my presence, two short (3 1/2 foot) grays, a Sirian (who looks like a normal human from earth) and an ancient female who looked human with long, silvery hair and features reminiscent of a skeleton with very little muscle and skin tightly stretched over the bone. She took my wife and me off-planet for a "purification" ceremony involving a strange blue liquid infusion of some sort on a planet I was told was similar to (mine) but with two moons and crystalline structures. Very cool place! Very spartan decor...almost none. The furniture was similar to our own, but not glued, bolted, stapled or anything...just smooth and soft. The different materials were blended seamlessly.

Yetis are highly-evolved trans-dimensional light beings who come and go into and out of our 3-D reality at will. If you ever see a yeti it is for one of two reasons...either you are prepared sufficiently in your evolution to interact with them or the yetti is trying to offer a clue as to the fact that they exist. They are the beings who mother Earth herself has formed;  true natives of this planet completely in tune with her.

Whenever possible without drawing unwanted attention ETs can and do mitigate harmful radiation, can repair and do repair our ozone and ionosphere, and they can energize certain crystalline energy fields within and around our planet to mitigate earthquakes and other magnetic anomalies from destroying mankind as mankind threatens the planet with explosions, war and toxins. They are always behind the scenes cleaning up after stupid humans on behalf of our planet, as well as us.

Again, the more we learn to respect one another, clean up after ourselves and reach out to the cosmos the more likely we'll be to have our grand interaction en mass. Each of us can help move this process along. I'm doing my part...are you?

Peace and Love,
JD

Quote from: Anynonmouses on March 30, 2013, 07:14:56 PM
First off, there are so many different kinds of ETs out there and even among us that you might genuinely freak out to meet them. Some are insect-looking, some reptilian, some have cat-like features and some are eerily similar to ourselves.

The praying mantis type where covered extensively in the Gor novels, the ones that look like us visited us and interacted with the US government and the press in the 50's

The list you have has been around the net for many years. Clifford Stone gave us a list of 57 species... in fact all the various gods people worship would class as true ET's...

..but for you to say "We're past the question of "Do ETs exist," is silly because to date NO ONE has yet shown a real ET to exist. All we have since Roswell is the BELIEF that there are ET's... not one photo, not one corpse  NADA that can prove they are here

Until we have that, the question will continue to be bandied about.

Perhaps we are expected to do things for ourselves, instead of expecting others to do it for us ?

So we have been left to do whatever ?    :)

One thing for sure, it appears we (All) still haven't learnt YET !    :(

Proof...physical objects, video, photos, eyewitness accounts...all exist, mostly in the secured vaults of our military bases we can't access without cosmic clearance.

The web is full of leaked "proof" that is immediately debunked in effect by dissemblers who have an agenda to perpetuate the status quo. You should know this, Z. So what is proof beyond that? Skeptics don't go for rides on spaceships unless their DNA, semen or the like is being extracted by the biocomputers we call the grays, who work for the reptilians.

Billy Meyer is another contactee who provided proof, but his proof was both stolen by authorities and debunked by the ubiquitous dissemblers. Photographs, 8mm film--none of it constitutes proof if you yourself aren't the first-person reporter, so...there it is.

Peace and Love,
JD

Quote from: Anynonmouses on March 30, 2013, 07:48:39 PM
Proof...physical objects, video, photos, eyewitness accounts...all exist, mostly in the secured vaults of our military bases we can't access without cosmic clearance.

So it is assumed  yes...

QuoteThe web is full of leaked "proof" that is immediately debunked in effect by dissemblers who have an agenda to perpetuate the status quo. You should know this, Z. So what is proof beyond that?

Screw the web, screw the government vaults.  How about THIS instead...

Just ONE PERSON that claims to have met so many alien species, just pluck ONE hair sample or catch them spitting or taking a dump and collect a tiny sample for analysis.

Anyone can say I have met aliens, anyone these days can fake a photo or video, even the little 10 year old pimple faced punk next door... but DNA doesn't lie.

If all these aliens people have claimed are running all over this planet, in secret meetings with governments, abducting people for experiments and just appearing to enlightened chosen ones are real, then getting ONE MEASLY sample of alien DNA should be a piece of cake...


There are THOUSANDS of UFO "investigators" out there. Entire teams of UFO crash recovery teams that have symposiums.  Yet NOT ONE of these hunters have been able to show us a scrap of alien metal or a trace of alien DNA not even a shed skin cell.

Forensics have come a long way these days. We have scientists pulling DNA out of extinct animal fossils in the process of doing a real Jurassic Park scenario

In all these years since Roswell not one tiny fragment of supposedly over a hundred saucer crashes has yielded one tiny scrap.

Sorry... the government keeps secrets to be sure, but they are just NOT that efficient and yet at the same time letting 'leaks' of 50 plus species get out

Dr Lier supposedly has a piece of Roswell metal and he supposedly has removed alien implants... yet he will not let any independent lab analyze them... I wonder why

QuoteSkeptics don't go for rides on spaceships unless their DNA, semen or the like is being extracted by the biocomputers we call the grays, who work for the reptilians.

Not according to John Lear :D

QuoteBilly Meyer is another contactee who provided proof, but his proof was both stolen by authorities and debunked by the ubiquitous dissemblers. Photographs, 8mm film--none of it constitutes proof if you yourself aren't the first-person reporter, so...there it is.

Billy Meier lost all credibility with the Dinosaur picture out of the book that he claimed was a real photo he took; the Dean Martin girls that he claimed was aliens; the saucer models in his garage... and the silly ray gun

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/7d877d4759ca.jpg)

Here is one John made :D

(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7466/billymeieratsct7.png)

OK, my responsa in no particular order:

First, our present 'free energy' sucks a$$.  Yes, I have solar panels outside my house and they DO LITTLE.

We have made almost NO progress in practical energy storage for the past century.  The situation is so appalling that folks are still laying down big $ for low energy density Ni-Fe batteries made in China. This is why we are still dependent on fossil fuels. Arrggh!  I use a deep cycle lead acid battery.

Yeah, I can see the xenophobia issue.  How can we accept freaky aliens when we're still working on skin color or gay marriage? Maybe that's changed.

Bringing up the Grenada/Eisenhower Treaty makes the whole Disclosure thing all the more paradoxical.  A bunch of 'Nordics' drop by and offer a deal in exchange for technology.  Ike sez no can do. And here we are 60 years later with no Disclosure.  WTF ???!!

And lastly, we have the issue of Collective Obedience by ET's.  Lemme explain:  we are saying that there is no Creator/God enforcing the Prime Directive in regard to earth?  Yet,  NO ONE ever observes a flying saucer land in any major city offering their presence openly !  There is NEVER any rogue ET that lands during the Olympics or Superbowl ( and proclaims "Disclosure be Happenin' TODAY, Bitches!").

So, there is some order or collective understanding or CONTROL undiscerned at work here, folks. Can't be otherwise.

Some explanation is also due with regard to the 'Prime Directive' in regard to fairly obvious efforts in past civilizations relative to the present.  So, "angels" (Book of Enoch) gave us music, metal working, and astronomy?  Quetzalcoatl helped out in Central America?  Annunaki maybe? 

Space Brothers (and Sisters, esp. that hottie Semjase) What's the deal?  Gimme a circuit drawing for free electricity and I'll publish it for everybody on the web! Greer sez I can call you guys so what the heck?

Oh, and there was that guy that wrote 'Hair Of The Alien'.  Claimed that two weird looking females popped up in his bedroom and he got to nail one of them ( a VAST IMPROVEMENT OVER PROBING BY GREYS!  Space Brothers, listen to me!  Just ASK! Offer some 'encouragement'!  Most guys will cooperate, many eagerly)

Anyhow, he had it analyzed and it came back as Really Weird But Human. 

Quote from: zorgon on March 30, 2013, 09:30:32 PM
Dr Lier supposedly has a piece of Roswell metal and he supposedly has removed alien implants... yet he will not let any independent lab analyze them... I wonder why

I suspect Leir removed or pretended to remove a piece of meteorite from at least one (probably more I forget) of his subjects.  The details that made me suspect, I forget for the moment.  specifically, I remember noting that the properties of the "implant" fitted several characteristics that normally suggest meteorite. However, if the object was a meteorite fragment, then it was nothing special apart from the claim that it had been removed from an alleged "abductee".

As usual, it is difficult to say more that whether our "spidy sense" (whatever you call your gut reaction) says true false or maybe.  incontestable facts are a rare commodity.  I have a few that I know but cant prove.  I will keep most of them to myself until I have satisfied myself that I am not being taken for a ride or wasting my breath on anyone who doubts my word.  Honour still counts for something.

Quote from: Eighthman on March 30, 2013, 09:44:39 PM
So, there is some order or collective understanding or CONTROL undiscerned at work here, folks. Can't be otherwise

I  see what you mean.  If said said order is at work, then the question of who, what and why the control is in place must matter to more members that me alone?

Any potential explanation is welcome.  I can't say that I am sure myself.

Quote from: Eighthman on March 30, 2013, 09:49:41 PM
Anyhow, he had it analyzed and it came back as Really Weird But Human.

Don't get me wrong... I believe in the Visitors... have spent over 30 years studying and looking and those years have led me to awesome contacts in the black world and some stories I cannot even share.

I have posted in many threads that in my opinion 80%ish are natural and local living plasma creatures that were called "Critters' in 1954 by Trevor J Constable and even Jim Oberg sent me a late 1960's NASA report of 'plasma phenomena plaguing their spacecraft (what many today call NASA UFO's ) 15%ish are the black ops craft and I include the black triangle in that group (those I can document :P ) and 5%ish are the true visitors like the "Venusians" that came in the 50's. (I am of the opinion that they are not from Venus, but said that because in the 50's we were more likely to accept another race that looks like us living on our sister world

No then on that DNA... there is one problem... IF some alien race looks like us... and the words in Genesis 1:26 have any truth at all; Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness."  Then why would we expect that DNA to be Alien :P 

Here are some Venusians from the 50's I understand Valiant is still alive here on Earth last I checked. Be nice to get him in here :D

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Venusians/vthor1a.jpg)

Here is a nice clear sunny day on Venus showing contrails with shadows....

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Venus/ammavarsmall.jpg)

And here is one of our non existent triangle space planes taken by STS 61 in 1986...but of course NASA will tell you it is space debris :P while at th same time some of their employees in Palmdale are singing a different tune :D

OH and anyone who says this is the TR3-B gets a free 2 week ban :P

(http://thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/04images/Triangles/STS61C-31-2.JPG)

Nicely said and I agree with you.  Also have to fix money as we currently use it(mis-use it).

Edward

Quote from: Amaterasu on March 30, 2013, 06:12:06 PM
I think what disturbs Me most is that, even in the controlled state most are in, Humans on the whole want to get along - and it is because of war profiteering by the few that propaganda and lies are promulgated to ensure war.  Corporate profit motive ensures that the cheapest and not the cleanest approach to manufacturing is the path taken.  Waste is rampant as "planned obsolescence" abounds in the products produced, again driven by profit.

So...  In order to "[g]et [Our] planet in better shape and stop warring (, monkey-boys)," We Humans must eliminate corporate profit motive.  This will end war profiteering, dirty production, and products made to fail.  And, as most here know, I have shown that free energy is the key to removing all said problems.

Point is, MOST Humans are (or could be, with such motive removed and therefore such lies and propaganda) willing to get along and simple avoid Those They do not like.  Without profit motive, wars would dwindle to nothing.

There is a big Lie going on Zorgon.  But with a lie there must be some element of truth in it.  As the lie gets bigger more truth has to be inserted to keep the "illusion"  a live and well, because no one would believe it other wise.  With that said.  We have to change socially.  Is humanity ready for free energy yes we are.  Amaterasu has it right and in the right path of some of what needs to happen.


Quote from: Amaterasu on Today at 11:12:06 AM

   " I think what disturbs Me most is that, even in the controlled state most are in, Humans on the whole want to get along - and it is because of war profiteering by the few that propaganda and lies are promulgated to ensure war.  Corporate profit motive ensures that the cheapest and not the cleanest approach to manufacturing is the path taken.  Waste is rampant as "planned obsolescence" abounds in the products produced, again driven by profit.

    So...  In order to "[g]et [Our] planet in better shape and stop warring (, monkey-boys)," We Humans must eliminate corporate profit motive.  This will end war profiteering, dirty production, and products made to fail.  And, as most here know, I have shown that free energy is the key to removing all said problems.

    Point is, MOST Humans are (or could be, with such motive removed and therefore such lies and propaganda) willing to get along and simple avoid Those They do not like.  Without profit motive, wars would dwindle to nothing."
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Getting rid of the Profiteering for war, and the manipulation of  money and how it's currently being abused.  I know I said earlier misused but it's blatantly being abused and US along with it.

Also Zorgon don't give the new agers such a bum wrap.  They like you or me are just as prone to making claims that would later turn out to be not what they aimed for or intended.  Such is life and we learn and grow but just like the New agers you, me, them, everyone that is on this path of truth and enlightement  we all are striving for the same goal so let's not lose sight of that.  We are all trying to help each other and the planet. 


Edward

Quote from: zorgon on March 30, 2013, 06:26:45 PM
Why humons are not ready I have posted many times  in fact just a few minutes ago here
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=4123.msg54831#msg54831

With the whole 2012 issue that went nuts on the web then was a no show... the new agers taking credit for stopping it... well it just shows how hu-mons truly are still in kindergarten... they will jump on ANYTHING and make up any 'fact' to back their claim

Why is there no disclosure? Why are the ET not helping us?

Well what if there are no ET around here right now (not counting the plasma critters that live here ;) )

With the research going into Mt-DNA with in retrospect of allocating the Neanderthal genome with in the species we are, they have found out it still exists, and can even map the process of cross contamination's with this type of research. There by proving the lineage of Neanderthal and Homosapiens interbreeding when the species was quite un-evolved as of yet.

They are also currently looking into the so called "Junk DNA" to decipher what the term of this left over or 'Junk DNA' really is, might not be in our life time, but I am sure when the truth of the matter is told, it will relate us to what we suspect as 'Fact' of the whole "Ancient Alien" theoretical notions once and for all.

Like those Venus Pic's 'Z' very profound images!! ;)

1WW

I couldnt agree with you more.

Edward

Quote from: Anynonmouses on March 30, 2013, 07:14:56 PM
We're past the question of "Do ETs exist," and I can tell you why they haven't landed yet en mass...

First off, there are so many different kinds of ETs out there and even among us that you might genuinely freak out to meet them. Some are insect-looking, some reptilian, some have cat-like features and some are eerily similar to ourselves.

The fact is that our own DNA is a composite of several types of alien DNA amalgamated to put us into the basic form we experience today. The wrinkly skin is a combination of reptilian and primate, the musculature and ligaments are a combination of insect and cetacious...we're a junk drawer put-together adapted for this particular environment.

WHY HAVEN'T THEY LANDED YET?

The policy of the Galactic Federation of Light (a like-minded association of many kinds of alien beings, most of which we derive our genetics from) presently monitoring and guarding our solar system and planet, is that intervention is only allowed once we have matured enough as a species. Before full contact will be made with us we must evolve to a point where we can differ in philosophy without killing one another for our beliefs. We are nearly there, in the bigger scheme of things, but not there yet.

GFL representatives have been interacting with our leaders since mankind was injected into this planet. These leaders have thus enjoyed semi-godlike status in the past, but now that our understanding has matured a bit we see that technology is NOT magic, and our leaders are certainly not gods. In fact, aliens are imperfect as well--a tough concept for most to appreciate fully.

Aside from the recovery of crashed intergalactic personal craft by governments around the globe, ETs have given our leaders examples of their craft to replicate, and they have tried to teach us how to create vessels symbiotic to ourselves. We are frequency-based beings, and their craft appear more like living entities than vehicles we're accustomed to because these craft can interact with us via our unique frequency spectrum which some call an aura, our chakras. Once aboard you will notice aches and pains or other discomforts fading away. The ship itself knows how you need to be "tuned" in order for you to be comfortable. Our leaders still can't replicate this in our back-engineering of their craft--yet.

Intrinsic in every craft is a sort of liquid memory film applied to and within everything in the craft. To the eye it seems like the colorful sheen of oil on water being illuminated by sunlight. The metals and metal-like fabrics of these ships contains actual micro processing capability interfaced with this liquid memory substance applied in a process similar to what you see happening via the Hutchison Effect, only different. Metallurgy will undergo a quantum evolution once we learn to infuse various kinds of non-metallic substances right into the metals without using heat. Our so-called leaders may already have a clue; ETs are imparting info to them all the time.

BACK TO WHY THEY HAVEN'T LANDED YET--

Once we learn to accept others who don't look or think the way we do in sufficient proportion, they will land. We are going to see a steady increase of their craft in our skies until no one can deny that they are here. The next step is to discuss openly the FACT that they're here in a way that doesn't cause panic, doesn't create hostility and is scientifically neutral. Baby steps are happening now, and many of us (myself included) have been approached by ETs.

I have met a very tall (7 foot) reptilian who was utterly indifferent to my presence, two short (3 1/2 foot) grays, a Sirian (who looks like a normal human from earth) and an ancient female who looked human with long, silvery hair and features reminiscent of a skeleton with very little muscle and skin tightly stretched over the bone. She took my wife and me off-planet for a "purification" ceremony involving a strange blue liquid infusion of some sort on a planet I was told was similar to (mine) but with two moons and crystalline structures. Very cool place! Very spartan decor...almost none. The furniture was similar to our own, but not glued, bolted, stapled or anything...just smooth and soft. The different materials were blended seamlessly.

Yetis are highly-evolved trans-dimensional light beings who come and go into and out of our 3-D reality at will. If you ever see a yeti it is for one of two reasons...either you are prepared sufficiently in your evolution to interact with them or the yetti is trying to offer a clue as to the fact that they exist. They are the beings who mother Earth herself has formed;  true natives of this planet completely in tune with her.

Whenever possible without drawing unwanted attention ETs can and do mitigate harmful radiation, can repair and do repair our ozone and ionosphere, and they can energize certain crystalline energy fields within and around our planet to mitigate earthquakes and other magnetic anomalies from destroying mankind as mankind threatens the planet with explosions, war and toxins. They are always behind the scenes cleaning up after stupid humans on behalf of our planet, as well as us.

Again, the more we learn to respect one another, clean up after ourselves and reach out to the cosmos the more likely we'll be to have our grand interaction en mass. Each of us can help move this process along. I'm doing my part...are you?

Peace and Love,
JD

Quote from: Eighthman on March 30, 2013, 09:44:39 PM


So, there is some order or collective understanding or CONTROL undiscerned at work here, folks. Can't be otherwise.

Yeah, something is going on and the more I think about it the more I feel we are all in a "bad" situation on so many levels and we all need to really come together and make changes in our personal lives and collectively.


Edward

Thank you, Pimander.

This is the critical point that frustrates me about ETs - you get all these folks talking about wars or conflicts between alien races (Reptilians come up a lot, we just don't like scales I guess) but I don't see it.

First, if they have telepathy/some expanded consciousness, that sort of conflict would be nearly impossible (an intensified version of Bill Clinton's remark, "I feel your pain" but yeah, REALLY!).

Second, there MUST be some sort of command or control that prevents Full Disclosure from happening, as discussed.

AS for Valient Thor, the whole story sounded so crazy, I never gave it any credence.  But.... this sort of situation might hide a lot of conspiracies ("that sounds just crazy, so it must be false").

Example: I know a guy who does technical consultant work for the government, frequently. He has an incredible memory and skills.  He will tell you astounding stories about high security stuff BUT ALSO tell you stuff that is not credible and ridiculous.  I do believe THAT THIS IS A DELIBERATE TECHNIQUE of self protection practised by high security people ( like Gordon Duff, for example).

Q.      WHAT Controls ?

A.       LIFE !

You are experiencing what Your LIFE is presenting to you.

The "Understanding" Lays in the Recognition, between "flesh" (The Experience) and what is experiencing
both the "flesh" and it's Environment it is Interacting with.

It is your LIFE which has both "presented" your experience, and is Experiencing that.


When this is Understood, then we will move forward !

Until then, just another day at the Office I guess...  :)

Quote from: zorgon on March 30, 2013, 10:18:17 PM


OH and anyone who says this is the TR3-B gets a free 2 week ban :P

(http://thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/04images/Triangles/STS61C-31-2.JPG)

Looks to me as some part of the Aurora Program IMHO.  But that's just me. 

Edward

Oh, and two other points:

The DNA thing is absolutely true.  Years ago, Celera did the genome thing and concluded that DNA is NOT a blueprint, just 'guideposts'.  So, you could have lots of DNA that appears human but really isn't.  In addition, I would point out a recent TED lecture in which a scientist asserted that DNA/RNA in human mucus cavities was surprizingly different, unexpected and unexplained relative to the person. 

AS for New Age 2012 Ascension types, I wonder...... if they sincerely get psychic messages, could they be like a group of broken radios?  They suffer from distortion and static but maybe...... taken collectively, they could be correct - such as, there is a Cabal,  there are things such as 'Archons',  we need to get our act together before Disclosure happens, etc. 

What would an Extraterrestrial viewpoint be like, looking down at the earth?  Would it appear as the channelers generally present it to be?

Maybe, yes.

Quote from: Eighthman on March 30, 2013, 11:02:08 PM
Oh, and two other points:

The DNA thing is absolutely true.  Years ago, Celera did the genome thing and concluded that DNA is NOT a blueprint, just 'guideposts'.  So, you could have lots of DNA that appears human but really isn't.  In addition, I would point out a recent TED lecture in which a scientist asserted that DNA/RNA in human mucus cavities was surprizingly different, unexpected and unexplained relative to the person. 

AS for New Age 2012 Ascension types, I wonder...... if they sincerely get psychic messages, could they be like a group of broken radios?  They suffer from distortion and static but maybe...... taken collectively, they could be correct - such as, there is a Cabal,  there are things such as 'Archons',  we need to get our act together before Disclosure happens, etc. 

What would an Extraterrestrial viewpoint be like, looking down at the earth?  Would it appear as the channelers generally present it to be?

Maybe, yes.

Also some of the "channelling" may not be coming from what those people think it's coming from.  As above so below right?  So who's to say some entity/being is not misleading someone to fit their own adjenda.


Edward

No offense, Matrix Traveller but I think we must avoid explanations that fall into the solipsism category.

Even if our reality is a movie projected onto our retinas (and senses), as long as it appears to be a shared experience, we search for answers.

OTOH, if all of you are just part of my experience (as the sole genuine reality), I'd like to know when do I 'wake up' and do something More Fun.

Quote from: Eighthman on March 30, 2013, 11:10:11 PM
No offense, Matrix Traveller but I think we must avoid explanations that fall into the solipsism category.

Even if our reality is a movie projected onto our retinas (and senses), as long as it appears to be a shared experience, we search for answers.

OTOH, if all of you are just part of my experience (as the sole genuine reality), I'd like to know when do I 'wake up' and do something More Fun.

No Offence, but why the need, to avoid the solipsism ?   :)

Yeah, as to channeled messages received, how much can we know or trust?

Well, I'd opine that they seem to be pretty nice and love-y dove-y overall.  I never read Cobra, Salusa, Blossom Goodbody or whoever telling me to build up a gun collection..... but this could also relate to the Unity of Command that seems to prevail in regard to Disclosure Not Happening, Yet Anyway (as mentioned previously).

Given my fanatical religious background, I was very surprized at the compassionate tone of such writings because I had been given to expect that Demons were at work.  Doesn't look that way.

Solipsism?  Argh....

Because it falls into the category of the Greatest Insult Anyone Can Offer To A theorist:

"Not Even Wrong"     .... meaning it isn't falsifiable, hence of no practical import.

I will give you....... the fact that synchronicity often appears as a sort of solipsism,  as events arrange themselves that only mean something to me...

One thing that is Common in all is the Self.

If the "Self" is Non-existent or taken out of the equation you and I would Not be writing here.

Everything being questioned and expressed about anything..... comes from the "Self". No ? or is that Yes ?   :)

And from nowhere else...

Self?  Myself?  Yourself?  Who's real here?  "I post, therefore I am".

If you wish to postulate that there is only one Consciousness (Erwin Schrodinger of cat-in-box fame thought this), you should be explicit about it.

And in regard to this thread,  I suppose you could tack that onto the Collective Control manifested by ETs, as to No Disclosure Yet. Goes along with Jacques Vallee ideas, too, I guess.

Quote from: Anynonmouses on March 30, 2013, 07:48:39 PM

Billy Meyer is another contactee who provided proof, but his proof was both stolen by authorities and debunked by the ubiquitous dissemblers. Photographs, 8mm film--none of it constitutes proof if you yourself aren't the first-person reporter, so...there it is.

Nope, Billy debunked himself take a look here -

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3051.0

QuoteSelf?  Myself?  Yourself?  Who's real here?  "I post, therefore I am".

Exactly my point !

YES I know I am a pain in the butt, but one can NOT dismiss the "Facts".

If we take out One "Component" of the Equation we can't find the Answers..

What you have added to my simple points, only clouds the Issue.

I will say it again....

It is Only the "Self' who raises any "Questions" about anything !

And there is Nothing Wrong with this !

If we had the Answers we wouldn't be looking for Answers now would we ?

But The answers involve the "SELF".

Without the "Self" there are No Questions.

So what are we really trying to do ?

Yes I know we want to find Answers, but How can we ever know whether the answer is Correct or Not ?

To know, is to Know the "Self" 1st !


IF we will NOT know our Real Selves i.e. Discover our "Real Selves",
we can go No Further...


NO Other can do this for us.... NOT even any other "Species" in your Universe.


Like it is said "You can take a Horse to Water BUT you can't make it Drink !"

One can NOT walk for another, neither can One grow Old for Another.

We Each have to do these things for our OWN "Selves" !


So disclosure achieves Nothing at All...

We Each have to experience Individually these things in our Own time !    :)


So "Alien Species" can ONLY "Watch" they can't do anything for You !


You must do it yourself.....  :D

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on March 31, 2013, 12:22:48 AM
Exactly my point !



Like it is said "You can take a Horse to Water BUT you can't make it Drink !"

One can NOT walk for anther neither can One grow Old for Another.

We Each have to do these things for our OWN "Selves" !






You must do it yourself.....  :D

hmmmmm sounds very familar to me.  I just can't seem to place it.  ;)

Quote from: Eighthman on March 30, 2013, 09:49:41 PM
Anyhow, he had it analyzed and it came back as Really Weird But Human.

So not alien basically.

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This time, there was evidence—two strands of white-blonde hair from one of the females. ??

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Quote from: Edward on March 30, 2013, 11:07:57 PM
Also some of the "channelling" may not be coming from what those people think it's coming from.   So who's to say some entity/being is not misleading someone to fit their own adjenda.

Precisely :D  The mediums can be channeling LOKI for all they know. Considering that so far all the promised appearances given to channelers have been no shows. and have made the channelers look like fools, seems to me the info is NOT coming from our 'galactic brothers and sisters' but some trickster having a good laugh at our expense  :P

QuoteAs above so below right?

That is a much quoted phrase... what does it mean?

8)

Quote from: Edward on March 30, 2013, 10:31:35 PM
There is a big Lie going on Zorgon.  But with a lie there must be some element of truth in it.  As the lie gets bigger more truth has to be inserted to keep the "illusion"  a live and well, because no one would believe it other wise.

Yes and the bigger the lie gets, the harder it would be to contain it and it would reach the breaking point. Its been 50 + years since Roswell...  We know less today than we knew then

QuoteWith that said.  We have to change socially.  Is humanity ready for free energy yes we are.  Amaterasu has it right and in the right path of some of what needs to happen.

Are we really ready for 'free energy'?  Can't we do CHEAP energy first?  Dropping Amy's idea of free energy into societies lap would spell disaster in the interim.  Even she has said her plan has no solution for the transition... and there is no time frame given for the transition...

Most people bantying about that term 'free energy' only have a vague idea what it means. In the inventor circles it means overunity... something from nothing... to most common folk it means energy they don't have to pay for...

But who will make the devices for free? Who will produce and distribute them to your home and car and do this for no return?

Who will convert your house and your car to use this new undefined 'free energy' and do it out of their own pocket for the good of all?

Does anyone have any concept of the amount of money needed to put this into place?  So who has the kind of resources needed to make it happen, knowing that the day after billions of people will lose jobs?  INSTANTLY...  Add that to an already stressed economy...

So yeah you will have free energy, but no job to pay for food.  So I ask again  What is the INTERIM time for the change to happen?  You cannot convert a system that huge overnight.

Who will feed all those people and house them while the change takes place? Oh wait  I forgot we have all those FEMA camps

Pipe dream... what we need is CHEAP energy first, that will stimulate growth and give people hope  and hope will revive the creative spirit.  We can do CHEAP energy NOW if we put our minds to it.

But it won't happen Why? Because there is NOT ONE PERSON in this forum that is willing to do something simple like BOYCOTT EXXON to send a message :P  Sure everyone talks big about needing to hit the greedy corporations below the belt, but no one has the guts to actually take action.

I hear a lot how 'free energy' devices are suppressed by da gubment... well what about JOHN SEARL and his device? It is claimed it works. In Britain he claims one went through the roof and kept going. His website shows model saucers flying with his device...

No government is suppressing him... his work is all over the web. He recently was on Facebook looking for someone to create a serious website to seek investors. ( I offered but got no reply)

So what happened? Does it work or not? No suppresion... no working model... no working reproduction...

Ah yes  maybe THAT is why we don't have it yet... no one has yet figured out how to make one and replicate them and then give them away for free

QuoteWaste is rampant as "planned obsolescence" abounds in the products produced, again driven by profit.

I have a microwave oven made by Citizen... a really good one... I bought it new when I had my first apartment around 1972. That thing has worked like a charm ever since... and is still going.

Citizen went bankrupt, all their employees lost their job

"planned obsolescence" is not only driven by profit. If an engineer didn't constantly design improvements and upgrade, he would soon not have a job.  Not everything is as simple as you would like to think it is

QuoteSo...  In order to "[g]et [Our] planet in better shape and stop warring (, monkey-boys)," We Humans must eliminate corporate profit motive.  This will end war profiteering, dirty production, and products made to fail.  And, as most here know, I have shown that free energy is the key to removing all said problems.

HOW? How to implement it? You say "We Humans must eliminate corporate profit motive." 

Okay so STOP buying anything but necessities... No more I-phones, computers, fancy clothes, video games etc etc. Just buy basic clothing and a sewing machine so you can mend old clothing.  Just buy the food you need and stop going to restaurants or bars.

and BOYCOTT EXXON...

So who will pony up and be the first to stop?

QuotePoint is, MOST Humans are (or could be, with such motive removed and therefore such lies and propaganda) willing to get along and simple avoid Those They do not like.  Without profit motive, wars would dwindle to nothing."

Most humans I know will squabble and fight over just about anything... they don't need a 'profit motive'  Sometimes just looking at someone the wrong way will trigger a fight, or get you shot.

How many women will get into a cat fight when two of them show up to a GALA in the same dress?  How many wives will read you the riot act because you said the wrong thing today?

Profit is not the only thing that starts wars.  World War I was started over a sandwich... yeah that's right a SANDWICH...

Here is a short humorous version of the story  and how that simple sandwich triggered a chain reaction that started two world wars

http://laugharne.tumblr.com/post/100664146/the-sandwich-that-started-a-world-war

And PROFIT you say? Well right after WWI money was worthless... a wheel barrel of cash might but you food for a day... which is why Hilter was elected in the first place

(http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/dan/coincidences/sandwich5.jpg)

QuoteGetting rid of the Profiteering for war, and the manipulation of  money and how it's currently being abused.  I know I said earlier misused but it's blatantly being abused and US along with it.

So fine, I am all ears... lets here you solution on HOW we can do it

QuoteAlso Zorgon don't give the new agers such a bum wrap.  They like you or me are just as prone to making claims that would later turn out to be not what they aimed for or intended.  Such is life and we learn and grow but just like the New agers you, me, them, everyone that is on this path of truth and enlightement  we all are striving for the same goal so let's not lose sight of that.  We are all trying to help each other and the planet. 

When I say 'new agers' I use the term referring to those that just hop on the latest fad... and have never done a days worth of study or take a moment to examine if something has merit... they just blindly leap on the next wagon to Nervana.  We saw it with the 2012 hype, heck we saw it with Y2K... What will be the next one?

Today we see "occupy this...  and occupy that"  and we see people running around with silly white masks...  All that has happened is the sheep have jumped from following one shepherd to following a new shepherd... but in the end they are still SHEEP

Whatever the popular theme of the day is... they will blindly follow. This is why we get CULTS that all drink the KoolAid and take a ride on a comet that is a disguised GFL space cruiser


hard truth... but truth it is :P

Quote from: Eighthman on March 30, 2013, 11:02:08 PM
The DNA thing is absolutely true.  Years ago, Celera did the genome thing and concluded that DNA is NOT a blueprint, just 'guideposts'.  So, you could have lots of DNA that appears human but really isn't.

DNA simply codes for our proteins.  It is those proteins which make the chemical reactions that power our body possible at ~37C.  Basically the proteins (enzymes) are catalysts which make our cells into tiny industrial chemical plants.  Without enzymes made from the DNA most cellular biochemistry would not be possible at the temperature of our body.

QuoteIn addition, I would point out a recent TED lecture in which a scientist asserted that DNA/RNA in human mucus cavities was surprizingly different, unexpected and unexplained relative to the person. 

I would predict that because one of the roles of mucus is to trap parasites like bacteria and fungus.  If you profile the DNA in mucus, some of it will be the DNA of the parasites and some the host.

QuoteAS for New Age 2012 Ascension types, I wonder...... if they sincerely get psychic messages, could they be like a group of broken radios?  They suffer from distortion and static but maybe...... taken collectively, they could be correct - such as, there is a Cabal,  there are things such as 'Archons',  we need to get our act together before Disclosure happens, etc. 

What would an Extraterrestrial viewpoint be like, looking down at the earth?  Would it appear as the channellers generally present it to be?

Basically, channellers are just opening themselves to who/whatever decides to communicate with them.  It is just mediumship.  I prefer to converse with any being rather than just receive info for obvious reasons.

Quote from: Pimander on March 31, 2013, 09:20:13 AM
Basically, channellers are just opening themselves to who/whatever decides to communicate with them.  It is just mediumship.  I prefer to converse with any being rather than just receive info for obvious reasons.

So if you converse with someone face to face they will always tell you the truth? Sometimes a cop comes looking and flashes a badge to fast for you to really see it and turns out not to be a cop :D

::)

Channeling is like talking to some nameless faceless nickname in a forum... you need to see ID before you can trust the source :P

Quote from: zorgon on March 31, 2013, 09:43:08 AM
So if you converse with someone face to face they will always tell you the truth?

no but I can ask questions and rthe conversation has more value if you feed back to each other about what you already know or want to know.

Quote
Channelling is like talking to some nameless faceless nickname in a forum... you need to see ID before you can trust the source :P

Even if I have seen your ID, it is my nature to try to check whether what you say is true.  Many a lie is made credible by credentials or if told by a trusted source.  Surely you know this. ::)

Well,  the predictions of channelers have interested me because of this enormous sense of Impending, Sudden Change that I have been feeling over the past year.  It is extremely frustrating.

Bashar Assad gets shot every week.  The Euro endures all challenges, no matter how extreme and continues to hang by the thinnest of threads, interminably.  An Amazing, World-Changing Breakthrough happens in stem cells, energy, UFO uncoverage, blatant exposure of record setting fraud and more almost daily.

And then nothing happens.  I feel like a soldier on the battlefield who fluffs up a makeshift pillow to take a nap in a shallow foxhole while machine gun bullets flow overhead.  It's almost enough to make me believe that there is a Matrix.  Sometimes, reality doesn't look very real.

Quotethis enormous sense of Impending, Sudden Change that I have been feeling over the past year.  

with you on that one...watching the sky more and only seeing the smoke screen from the planes


i want to address the channeling thing..
somewhere in my many excursioins of learning i had a teacher who said that if and when you got info or heard a voice in your head (meditation - rv, etc) that wasn't yours to ask who/what  it was and because of the laws governing this current third rock who/what had to respond in truth..
if that who / what went silent it told you something..

i don't know if this teacher made it up or what..but it has stood me in good stead along the way..so far
but i feel a change in the force and i think things they are a changing..

just my two and a half cents

::)

Quote from: Eighthman on March 31, 2013, 01:56:23 PM
Well,  the predictions of channelers have interested me because of this enormous sense of Impending, Sudden Change that I have been feeling over the past year.  It is extremely frustrating very real.

That is also something that cults or new religions try to cultvate.  If you have a sense of impending doom you can offer your beleif system as the way out.   The aliens will land, or Jesus will return or we can all jump of the passing space ship (comet).

So you convince the population group who are your target by saying what they want to hear and also suggesting that there is a problem that is looming.  You then offer them solutions and something that they need from the cult and people buy into it.  It helps if you can stage some stuff, like UFO sightings or pics of aliiens as back up.  Remember that TV transmission in the UK?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XLKb8id0Us

Quote from: zorgon on March 31, 2013, 05:26:16 AM
Precisely :D  The mediums can be channeling LOKI for all they know. Considering that so far all the promised appearances given to channelers have been no shows. and have made the channelers look like fools, seems to me the info is NOT coming from our 'galactic brothers and sisters' but some trickster having a good laugh at our expense  :P

That is a much quoted phrase... what does it mean?

8)

It means as in the microcosm so it is in the macrocosm. 

Oh I also might add,  some of the channellings could be earth bound humans doing such things as well.


My take on it all is that there are some "channels" that carry a sincere and postive messages. While others I think are there to purposely misdirect and keep people away from accomplishing anything.  But that in itself does have some rewards.   In that hopefully eventually people will start to be able to recognize that(those misdirections) and learn to be more proactive.


Edward

Quote from: zorgon on March 30, 2013, 09:30:32 PM
If all these aliens people have claimed are running all over this planet, in secret meetings with governments, abducting people for experiments and just appearing to enlightened chosen ones are real, then getting ONE MEASLY sample of alien DNA should be a piece of cake...


There are THOUSANDS of UFO "investigators" out there. Entire teams of UFO crash recovery teams that have symposiums.  Yet NOT ONE of these hunters have been able to show us a scrap of alien metal or a trace of alien DNA not even a shed skin cell.

Forensics have come a long way these days. We have scientists pulling DNA out of extinct animal fossils in the process of doing a real Jurassic Park scenario

In all these years since Roswell not one tiny fragment of supposedly over a hundred saucer crashes has yielded one tiny scrap.

Seems to Me that the Star Child has been shown to have DNA that is not Human...  I'm sure there's a link somewhere here.

But this intense sense of the impending is not mere gloom and doom - far from it.

I want to witness the complete end of the Cabal, the TBTJ Banks, North Korea, Israel as excluding Palestine, the Big Drug companies that waste human effort to allieviate suffering, and the Military-Industrial Complex.

Quote from: Edward on March 30, 2013, 10:22:09 PM
Nicely said and I agree with you.  Also have to fix money as we currently use it(mis-use it).

Edward

Have You read the work in My section here?  I believe there IS a "fix" for the NEED for exchange (trade, barter, money, etc.) to survive - and to survive richly:

Analysis: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=657.0
PLAN: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2759.0
Governance: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2103.0

I look forward to Your thoughts.

Who says aliens have DNA at all?  And you aren't allowed to say an alien we also cannot verify existing told us. LOL

Bacterial DNA is the same as human (although human has more chemical modifications that are) and bacteria were not even known to exist until recently...

The Star Child skull is - like so many things - not verifiable so far.  I could try to verify the work or commission someone to do it but they won't hand over the tissue.  A year or two ago I couldn't even get confirmation of how they were testing whether it is human.  I imagine they might be paranoid if they think it is an alien but it struck me as very odd.

The sequence of the DNA will be different in different species is hopefully what they have analysed but in a discovery that big, I'd want more than data before I am convinced.  There is no way to say whether it is alien from the sequence for sure.  We don't have a sequence from "out there" to compare for analogous sequences so the work will only show whether they are likely to be the same species.  We haven't got sequences for many Earth species yet you know.  In fact we have not even studied most species beyond noting they exist.  DNA technology is powerful but there is so much data to collect yet.

Sorry to give the facts but there you have it.

I agree that the Star Child is "dubious..."  Still, it is a lead that might pan out - though I do find it odd that Those who claim the unusual sequence in the DNA are reluctant to offer the materials for independent review...

You can present proof right in front of a skeptic, who will ALWAYS default to dismissal, if not attempt to change the definition of what constitutes proof. Therefore, nothing is "provable" to those who revel in appearing correct--even in the face of evidence.

Here we have Ammy referring you to the "Starchild" skull, and the fact that DNA results indicate the skull is not human, or is anomalous to science, and then the cadre of nay sayers who just have to be right to the point where evidence is dismissed due to pure prejudice. Enough horse carp!

I KNOW what I know, and from first hand encounters with several extraterrestrials I have in fact met. I won't be discussing the matter further on this forum because some, like Zorgon, have to be right in their preconceived notions, and you just can't tell some people anything; they don't LISTEN. Fine. Why open myself up to ridicule? I'll shut the hell up about my encounters rather than make the powers that be here uncomfortable. Don't ask me anything about it again--I'm done.

As Ammy says when she doesn't feel like arguing...YOU'RE RIGHT.

Case closed.

Peace and Love
JD

Quote from: Anynonmouses on March 31, 2013, 07:40:43 PM
You can present proof right in front of a skeptic, who will ALWAYS default to dismissal, if not attempt to change the definition of what constitutes proof. Therefore, nothing is "provable" to those who revel in appearing correct--even in the face of evidence.

I want proof.  We don't have any yet is what I am saying.

QuoteHere we have Ammy referring you to the "Starchild" skull, and the fact that DNA results indicate the skull is not human, or is anomalous to science, and then the cadre of nay sayers who just have to be right to the point where evidence is dismissed due to pure prejudice. Enough horse carp!

It may well not be human.  That does not make it from another planet or dimension.  Basically if it dies not have human DNA then that is evidence that it is noit human (like a chimp or whatever is not human but not alien either)

QuoteI KNOW what I know, and from first hand encounters with several extraterrestrials I have in fact met. I won't be discussing the matter further on this forum because some, like Zorgon, have to be right in their preconceived notions, and you just can't tell some people anything; they don't LISTEN. Fine. Why open myself up to ridicule? I'll shut the hell up about my encounters rather than make the powers that be here uncomfortable. Don't ask me anything about it again--I'm done.

I have seen a craft up close too.  I can't prove it though and it isn't proof it was alien.  The reason I want proof, is that it would be the greatest discovery in history to have incontrovertible evidence.  Of course I would love to apply my knowledge to get to the truth.

Every time we dismiss a nonsense claim, we clear the way and remove noise so that if the real deal is available it won't be buried beneath lots of impossible to prove claims.

QuoteAs Ammy says when she doesn't feel like arguing...YOU'RE RIGHT.

It doesn't have to be a fight.  What I explained is the truth to the best of my knowledge (with a few details missed for clarity).  If something comes along that changes that position then I'll be the first to shout it to the world.

QuoteCase closed.

Hardly, but hopefully it's going to happen.

There are different opinions on here and you are going to have to accept it.  The evidence is not proof.  Sorry.  Grown ups can disagree without having a fight.

Quote from: Amaterasu on March 31, 2013, 07:01:12 PM
Seems to Me that the Star Child has been shown to have DNA that is not Human...  I'm sure there's a link somewhere here.

I do not have any links to the lab results of the star child skull. I would love to see those and an independent study to confirm it

Please take a minute to provide us with those reports so we can analyze the results

Thanks

QuoteWell WHERE ARE THE DANG LAB RESULTS?

Maybe they are non-existent ?

Why?  Perhaps one of 2 Reasons.

They never existed in the 1st Place
or
They now no longer exist.

:)

Quote from: Amaterasu on March 31, 2013, 07:38:50 PM
I agree that the Star Child is "dubious..."  Still, it is a lead that might pan out - though I do find it odd that Those who claim the unusual sequence in the DNA are reluctant to offer the materials for independent review...

This has been my problem with the whole UFO thing. There are all the Star Child things, Indigoes, hybrids, implants, skulls, metal fragments... etc etc etc, We hear them say "This has been tested by a lab so and so.."

Well WHERE ARE THE DANG LAB RESULTS?
And WHY will they not let anyone else test it to verify it?

The UFO in Turkey... they sent the film to a lab and they tested it. LOL All that proved was that the film was real... not what the object was... but it is a great smoke screen to say "We had the film tested in a lab.." 

Quote from: zorgon on March 31, 2013, 09:24:13 PM
Well WHERE ARE THE DANG LAB RESULTS?

The problem is, no matter what the DNA sequencing results are, it is just a sequence.  We don't have an alien DNA sequence characterised to compare it to or even evidence that non-Earth life is DNA based.  It is an assumption that water based life would likely have something resembling DNA.

Unless "they" have some samples hidden away....

Quote from: Anynonmouses on March 31, 2013, 07:40:43 PM
You can present proof right in front of a skeptic, who will ALWAYS default to dismissal, if not attempt to change the definition of what constitutes proof. Therefore, nothing is "provable" to those who revel in appearing correct--even in the face of evidence.

Well most of us here are not skeptics, but is in not the goal of a true researcher to seek out the truth that can be VERIFIED?  Hearsay may be good enough for some, but it doesn't cut it here. We require more than some one telling us they tested it.

Look at Nassim Haramein and those Mayan stagate alien stones that even got coverage on National Geographic?  Where did they come from? They don't resemble ANY mayan art forms. The dig sites they have said are some where in Mexico, no Equador, no Gautamala  and they are selling those stones for $75,000

You want to believe that stuff be my guest but I want to see the dig site... I want to see the location where they were found

QuoteHere we have Ammy referring you to the "Starchild" skull, and the fact that DNA results indicate the skull is not human, or is anomalous to science, and then the cadre of nay sayers who just have to be right to the point where evidence is dismissed due to pure prejudice. Enough horse carp!

Not it is not a FACT Even Amy says it is 'dubious' Just because the owner says it is a 'fact' does not make it a fact. The only 'carp' here is the people insisting something is 'fact' without the lab results to back it up

BTW crap is allowed here :P carp is Thor's word :P

QuoteI KNOW what I know, and from first hand encounters with several extraterrestrials I have in fact met. I won't be discussing the matter further on this forum because some, like Zorgon, have to be right in their preconceived notions, and you just can't tell some people anything; they don't LISTEN. Fine. Why open myself up to ridicule? I'll shut the hell up about my encounters rather than make the powers that be here uncomfortable. Don't ask me anything about it again--I'm done.

Seriously? 

::)

Quote from: Amaterasu on March 31, 2013, 07:11:13 PM
Have You read the work in My section here?  I believe there IS a "fix" for the NEED for exchange (trade, barter, money, etc.) to survive - and to survive richly:

Analysis: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=657.0
PLAN: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2759.0
Governance: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2103.0

I look forward to Your thoughts.

You really put a lot of words into the many ideas and thoughts I have had and conceptualized them into a Plan and understanding of the direction which we(the human race) needs to move towards and away from the current paradigm we all live in. 

As for right  now I believe we are getting close to that 10% percent and we must continue to be vigiliant in our efforts to bring forth new ideas, thoughts and ways of perceiving, doing and implementing this new world we are rapidly creating.  To not only the benefit our ourselves but every living being on this planet and the planet itself. 


Edward

Quote from: Pimander on March 31, 2013, 09:34:44 PM
The problem is, no matter what the DNA sequencing results are, it is just a sequence.  We don't have an alien DNA sequence characterised to compare it to or even evidence that non-Earth life is DNA based.  It is an assumption that water based life would likely have something resembling DNA.

Unless "they" have some samples hidden away....

Granted... but where are the tests on the implants that Dr Lier removed? Where are the tests on the metal fragments from many supposed crash sites that were investigated and found by non government independant UFO researchers? Where are the ground pearcing radar results that are claimed to prove there are tunnels at DULCE?

Phil Schnieder  showed us a piece of Corbomite  I think he said it was element 142  (will have to look that up)  So where is this supper dense corbomite that he held up on that video? And why did no one at that conference ask to examine it and just take his word for it?

Bob says he and John buried a piece of ununpentium... lets dig that up
Cherry Hinkle says there is a box buried at Dulce  well seems no one can find it and she won't say where it is till she is on her death bed

And DNA results, if claimed 'alien' would at least show odd readings compared to what we currently call 'normal'

Quote from: Anynonmouses on March 31, 2013, 07:40:43 PM
You can present proof right in front of a skeptic, who will ALWAYS default to dismissal, if not attempt to change the definition of what constitutes proof. Therefore, nothing is "provable" to those who revel in appearing correct--even in the face of evidence.

Here we have Ammy referring you to the "Starchild" skull, and the fact that DNA results indicate the skull is not human, or is anomalous to science, and then the cadre of nay sayers who just have to be right to the point where evidence is dismissed due to pure prejudice. Enough horse carp!

I KNOW what I know, and from first hand encounters with several extraterrestrials I have in fact met. I won't be discussing the matter further on this forum because some, like Zorgon, have to be right in their preconceived notions, and you just can't tell some people anything; they don't LISTEN. Fine. Why open myself up to ridicule? I'll shut the hell up about my encounters rather than make the powers that be here uncomfortable. Don't ask me anything about it again--I'm done.

As Ammy says when she doesn't feel like arguing...YOU'RE RIGHT.

Case closed.

Peace and Love
JD

If you  ever feel the need to share and talk about what you know and what just frustrates you or even confounds you.  It could be about anything.  I'm always here  and have an open ear. 


Edward

My guess is, that these Cone heads and other Skulls were the result of "Cross Breeding"...

I think it will be found there have been many different models of human forms,
but that does NOT mean one has Evolved from another.

We still have the Question re. ancient records, whether true or Not re. "Cross Breeding",
between the "Tree of A'DAM" and "Alien Species" or other "Species" from the same universe.

When One comes to understand what this World (earth) is really about, one can understand why,
No Solid Proof exists or remains....

It's The QUESTION that matters !

It's NOT about the "Human Species" nor "Aliens" or what have you,
it's about something else, entirely different than what is thought of, or imagined through/by
the "human Species...   :)

If this were NOT the case we would NOT Still have that QUESTION...   :)

The fact is this.  I don't dismiss evidence out of hand.  If I didn't listen then how the hell could I give a detailed response?

Sorry, I am just not gullible enough for some peoples taste it seems.   ::)

ETA:  I agree that there was cross breeding between types of human.  They are really breeds rather that separate species though strictly speaking.

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on March 31, 2013, 09:31:39 PM
Maybe they are non-existent ?

Why?  Perhaps one of 2 Reasons.

They never existed in the 1st Place
or
They now no longer exist.

:)

Zorgon re.

QuoteWell WHERE ARE THE DANG LAB RESULTS?

I believe you to be Right....

But which of the 2 is it ?

1.    There NEVEVER have been Lab Results ?
or
2.    They NO LONGER Exist ?

Quote from: zorgon on March 31, 2013, 09:45:53 PM
Granted... but where are the tests on the implants that Dr Lier removed?

They looked like a bit of meteorite or stone.

Quote from: zorgon on March 31, 2013, 09:45:53 PMWhere are the tests on the metal fragments from many supposed crash sites that were investigated and found by non government independant UFO researchers?

Military accident cover-ups mostly?

Quote from: zorgon on March 31, 2013, 09:45:53 PMWhere are the ground pearcing radar results that are claimed to prove there are tunnels at DULCE?

There was no alien base at Dulce.  That is disinformation if you ask me.

Quote from: zorgon on March 31, 2013, 09:45:53 PMPhil Schnieder  showed us a piece of Corbomite  I think he said it was element 142  (will have to look that up)  So where is this supper dense corbomite that he held up on that video? And why did no one at that conference ask to examine it and just take his word for it?

Corbomite is a fictional material off star trek.

Frustrating that the noise has been so useful to TPTB.  But, they are watching us.

QuoteBut, they are watching us

If referring to those of NOT of human Origin ? ? ?

That I can guarantee.

Regarding proof...

Those on Earth are still asking the "QUESTION" so tactics are Working !

As far as the ET's announcing they are here, I believe they have done that, many, many times. I have no doubt they have been here since the beginning of time for the 3rd Rock. And if one really extrapolates on the while "Alien's among us" theory, we have only a small percentage of what lays on the bottom of the Oceans all over the planet, but yet have more knowledge about the Planets and Satellites we currently have visited.

As for the Dr. Lier evidence, I found his claims amazing and profound. The fact that he had patience from different locations with the same RF emitting anomalies under the skin that could be seen drawn to the top of the muscle tissue using magnets and give off Radio frequencies capable and known to produce radio waves for communications should raise eyebrows of every human.

As for the debris that was witnessed falling from UFO/Craft, I have heard little too no more about the tests other than it was an "Abnormal" alloy not natural with in sciences understanding, this too deserves merit for discussion, or at least to hash it out to try and allocate where all these evidences may be.

Consequently, these unavailable tests and results can both support and debunk for their absence with in such discussions. I for one know Alien abductions have to be real, I also know from personal experience we have things flying in our Earths atmosphere that aren't of this planet, and the ones we do see that we can't define, eventually we are privy to find it too be Earth bound Oriented and then move on to the ones that truly matter for the topic of discussing such things as Alien life forms and their means of either not communicating or being covered up and communicating with only a select few.

I think Zorg has it right, we can't write these events off just yet, but as Pimander has stated, when the Hoaxer's are doing what they do, it makes it difficult too discern any of these events as being factual in the first place, no matter how much the witness or the event has merit, Sad really.

Either way, I , Too, would like to know these postulated questions brought up here, the evidence is somewhere, we aren't privy too know is the conundrum of it all.  :-\

1WW

Quote from: Pimander on March 31, 2013, 10:45:40 PM
They looked like a bit of meteorite or stone.

Well here are the only photos available on Dr Leir's Website AlienScapel
http://www.alienscalpel.com/

(http://www.alienscalpel.com/wp-content/gallery/alien-implants/implantremovedsept62008003.jpg)

(http://www.alienscalpel.com/wp-content/gallery/alien-implants/implantremovedsept62008004.jpg)

(http://www.alienscalpel.com/wp-content/gallery/alien-implants/implan1.gif)
(http://www.alienscalpel.com/wp-content/gallery/alien-implants/implan2.gif)
(http://www.alienscalpel.com/wp-content/gallery/alien-implants/implan3.gif)

Gary Lowery, the abductee 2006
(http://www.alienscalpel.com/wp-content/gallery/alien-implants/picture-053.jpg)

(http://www.alienscalpel.com/wp-content/gallery/alien-implants/p2099339.jpg)

QuoteEither way, I , Too, would like to know these postulated questions brought up here, the evidence is somewhere, we aren't privy too know is the conundrum of it all.  :-\

Maybe you are right WW1    :)

Quote from: zorgon on April 01, 2013, 12:23:23 AM
Well here are the only photos available on Dr Leir's Website AlienScapel
http://www.alienscalpel.com/

(http://www.alienscalpel.com/wp-content/gallery/alien-implants/implantremovedsept62008003.jpg)

(http://www.alienscalpel.com/wp-content/gallery/alien-implants/implantremovedsept62008004.jpg)

(http://www.alienscalpel.com/wp-content/gallery/alien-implants/implan1.gif)
(http://www.alienscalpel.com/wp-content/gallery/alien-implants/implan2.gif)
(http://www.alienscalpel.com/wp-content/gallery/alien-implants/implan3.gif)

Gary Lowery, the abductee 2006
(http://www.alienscalpel.com/wp-content/gallery/alien-implants/picture-053.jpg)

(http://www.alienscalpel.com/wp-content/gallery/alien-implants/p2099339.jpg)

None of the images are showing Zorgon.

1WW

Looks good from this end... :)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/lg50aa500a.gif) (//http://)

Quote from: thorfourwinds on April 01, 2013, 12:43:32 AM
Looks good from this end... :)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/lg50aa500a.gif) (//http://)

"Really TFW?" I can't see any images, damn PC , about ready to go balistic on this thing for sure!!!! ARGH!!!!  >:(

1WW

Quote from: Pimander on March 31, 2013, 10:55:17 PM
Frustrating that the noise has been so useful to TPTB.  But, they are watching us.

Frustrating for us... a boon to them... :P

The noise is free they don't have to send out checks to disinfo agents

have you ever read the papers by Tom Bearden on the DTIC?

A Mind/Brain/Matter Model Consistent with Quantum Physics and UFO phenomena

The author introduces a speculative model of mind and matter and their
interaction that is consistent with the experimental basis of physics, and
which offers mechanisms for paranormal phenomena of all types, including
UFO phenomena. Certain conclusions are reached by a new fourth law of logic,
which is briefly described and summarized. A new photon interaction model.
of quantized observable changc is also presented.

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a068988.pdf

Psychic Warfare: Exploring the Mind Frontier
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a202099.pdf

Quote from: Edward on March 31, 2013, 09:42:26 PM

You really put a lot of words into the many ideas and thoughts I have had and conceptualized them into a Plan and understanding of the direction which we(the human race) needs to move towards and away from the current paradigm we all live in. 

As for right  now I believe we are getting close to that 10% percent and we must continue to be vigiliant in our efforts to bring forth new ideas, thoughts and ways of perceiving, doing and implementing this new world we are rapidly creating.  To not only the benefit our ourselves but every living being on this planet and the planet itself. 


Edward

I have been pondering the discrepancies I have seen between the narrative We have been taught and what I see around Me for a very long time - virtually all My life.  I then felt compelled to write and disseminate these ideas when it all gelled in My head about four years ago and I wrote The Abundance Paradigm.  ( http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/aad67f70b7b43ddc.pdf )

I appreciate that You took time to read what I offer and can see where I point to.  Indeed, the more of Us who are spreading this info the closer to that tipping point We are.

In regard to ancient aliens,  I am hopeful and curious about Greer's evidence of tiny humanoids.

Everything I see appears ambiguous but perhaps a fully developed miniature adult skeleton would be convincing.  It would be nice to see some samples of elements that don't exist here, as well.

I mean,...... we need to ask, what would be acceptable physical evidence?.  Can't think of much else.

  I always had a fantasy about hijacking a UFO and buzzing a CSICOP or similar group and throwing rotten fruit at them.  I wonder if they'd deny it ever happened.

Two other things: 

I hope we will see a burst of Disclosure activity in late April-May '13.  This will involve the Washington DC meeting on Disclosure and also the release of Greer's "Sirius".  Good Times !

I wonder.... if ETs are nice rational folks, wouldn't they first influence or expose the existence of BASIC life on other worlds?  Algae in meteorites,  maybe some 'bushes' on Mars....  and then, there's those loose bacteria wandering around our upper atmosphere that need explaining....

The exposure of primitive life elsewhere would help as a first step, one that probably wouldn't freak out fundamentalists. 

Pleaidians, if you're listening (or reading this), how 'bout it?  Engineer the exposure of some ET bacteria explicitly.  Thanks!

Quote from: zorgon on April 01, 2013, 02:32:50 AM
A Mind/Brain/Matter Model Consistent with Quantum Physics and UFO phenomena

The author introduces a speculative model of mind and matter and their
interaction that is consistent with the experimental basis of physics, and
which offers mechanisms for paranormal phenomena of all types, including
UFO phenomena. Certain conclusions are reached by a new fourth law of logic,
which is briefly described and summarized. A new photon interaction model of quantized observable changc is also presented.

So many of us have realised that if we accept Psi findings as real (i.e. stop ignoring results) than the findings of quantum physics are not so mysterious - it would be a shock if Newtonian/Cartesian world view was right.

Idiots like CSICOP are still clinging to a materialistic view even when science has now proven consciousness and matter are just as higher mystics maintained all along.

When we kicked out superstitious religious thought and embraced materialism we threw out the baby with the bathwater.  People like us do matter, a true skeptic can see the truth if they are skeptical of conjurors like James Randi!

The answer to the UFO mystery is partly human stupidity and partly a consciousness matter one.

Beardon is interesting.  I prefer the work of Irvin Laszlo who is a better writer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxQatmAjvP4

QuoteScience and the Akashic Field, Irvin Laszlo

Introduces the embracing world-concept long sought by scientists, mystics, and sages: an Integral Theory of Everything

• Explains how modern science has rediscovered the Akashic Field of perennial philosophy

• Reveals how the universe stores a record of all that is happening and has ever happened on Earth and throughout the cosmos

• Explores the origins, role, and future of life and consciousness in the universe

Mystics and sages have long maintained that there exists an interconnecting cosmic field at the roots of reality that conserves and conveys information, a field known as the Akashic record. Recent discoveries in the new field of vacuum physics now show that this Akashic field is real and has its equivalent in the zero-point field that underlies space itself. This field consists of a subtle sea of fluctuating energies from which all things arise: atoms and galaxies, stars and planets, living beings, and even consciousness. This zero-point Akashic-field--or "A-field"-- is not only the original source of all things that arise in time and space; it is also the constant and enduring memory of the universe. It holds the record of all that ever happened in life, on Earth, and in the cosmos and relates it to all that is yet to happen.

Scientist and philosopher Ervin Laszlo conveys the essential element of this vision of the "informed universe" in language that is accessible and clear. The informed universe lends credence to our deepest intuitions of the oneness of life and the whole of creation. We discover that, as philosopher William James stated, "we are like islands in the sea, separate on the surface but connected in the deep."

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51VD%2BLMOWhL._SX220_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594771812/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=1594771812&link_code=as3&tag=pegasreseacon-20)

Science and the Akashic Field: An Integral Theory of Everything (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594771812/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=1594771812&link_code=as3&tag=pegasreseacon-20)

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I will take another look at Dr Leir's work and write to him.  The stuff that 1WW says all humans should raise an eye to are certainly not proof of aliens if humans were behind it. 

Quote from: zorgon on April 01, 2013, 12:23:23 AM
Well here are the only photos available on Dr Leir's Website AlienScapel
http://www.alienscalpel.com/


Gary Lowery, the abductee 2006
(http://www.alienscalpel.com/wp-content/gallery/alien-implants/picture-053.jpg)

(http://www.alienscalpel.com/wp-content/gallery/alien-implants/p2099339.jpg)

Interesting,  I have a an exact match to those red dots right now myself, they are crusted over an nearly fully healed and the redness is almost gone. I dont know where it came from but I have the exact same dots but minus one, from what I can see. 


Edward

Quote from: Edward on April 01, 2013, 10:27:36 PM

Interesting,  I have a an exact match to those red dots right now myself, they are crusted over an nearly fully healed and the redness is almost gone. I dont know where it came from but I have the exact same dots but minus one, from what I can see. 


Edward

It is neer the sock line? I have had these also. It must be some blood sucking Alien that likes the sock area. I have never squased one in action. I have never seen one either. The rows of spots just seen to happen and by the time they are noticed they are almost healed.  Small world.... I am thinking spiders Deuem

 

I get marks like this all the time ... my wolves can't seem to keep their feet to themselves, lol. I get little scratches nearly  daily. They last a few days and are gone. Sometimes I'm not aware of the "claw mark" until sometime after the initial event.



(http://www.alienscalpel.com/wp-content/gallery/alien-implants/picture-053.jpg)

Quote from: deuem on April 02, 2013, 04:00:31 PM
It is neer the sock line? I have had these also. It must be some blood sucking Alien that likes the sock area. I have never squased one in action. I have never seen one either. The rows of spots just seen to happen and by the time they are noticed they are almost healed.  Small world.... I am thinking spiders Deuem

No, mine are on my right forearm, on the underside  almost near my wrist.


Edward

That's the MIB's shooting you full of sodium pentathol while you sleep ;)
::)