Extraterrestrials: What Are They Waiting For?

[The Matrix Traveller]

No offense, Matrix Traveller but I think we must avoid explanations that fall into the solipsism category.

Even if our reality is a movie projected onto our retinas (and senses), as long as it appears to be a shared experience, we search for answers.

OTOH, if all of you are just part of my experience (as the sole genuine reality), I'd like to know when do I 'wake up' and do something More Fun.

No Offence, but why the need, to avoid the solipsism ?   

[Eighthman]

Yeah, as to channeled messages received, how much can we know or trust?

Well, I'd opine that they seem to be pretty nice and love-y dove-y overall.  I never read Cobra, Salusa, Blossom Goodbody or whoever telling me to build up a gun collection..... but this could also relate to the Unity of Command that seems to prevail in regard to Disclosure Not Happening, Yet Anyway (as mentioned previously).

Given my fanatical religious background, I was very surprized at the compassionate tone of such writings because I had been given to expect that Demons were at work.  Doesn't look that way.

[Eighthman]

Solipsism?  Argh....

Because it falls into the category of the Greatest Insult Anyone Can Offer To A theorist:

"Not Even Wrong"     .... meaning it isn't falsifiable, hence of no practical import.

I will give you....... the fact that synchronicity often appears as a sort of solipsism,  as events arrange themselves that only mean something to me...

[The Matrix Traveller]

One thing that is Common in all is the Self.

If the "Self" is Non-existent or taken out of the equation you and I would Not be writing here.

Everything being questioned and expressed about anything..... comes from the "Self". No ? or is that Yes ?   

And from nowhere else...

[Eighthman]

Self?  Myself?  Yourself?  Who's real here?  "I post, therefore I am".

If you wish to postulate that there is only one Consciousness (Erwin Schrodinger of cat-in-box fame thought this), you should be explicit about it.

And in regard to this thread,  I suppose you could tack that onto the Collective Control manifested by ETs, as to No Disclosure Yet. Goes along with Jacques Vallee ideas, too, I guess.

[A51Watcher]

Billy Meyer is another contactee who provided proof, but his proof was both stolen by authorities and debunked by the ubiquitous dissemblers. Photographs, 8mm film--none of it constitutes proof if you yourself aren't the first-person reporter, so...there it is.

Nope, Billy debunked himself take a look here -

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3051.0

[The Matrix Traveller]

Self?  Myself?  Yourself?  Who's real here?  "I post, therefore I am".

Exactly my point !

YES I know I am a pain in the butt, but one can NOT dismiss the "Facts".

If we take out One "Component" of the Equation we can't find the Answers..

What you have added to my simple points, only clouds the Issue.

I will say it again....

It is Only the "Self' who raises any "Questions" about anything !

And there is Nothing Wrong with this !

If we had the Answers we wouldn't be looking for Answers now would we ?

But The answers involve the "SELF".

Without the "Self" there are No Questions.

So what are we really trying to do ?

Yes I know we want to find Answers, but How can we ever know whether the answer is Correct or Not ?

To know, is to Know the "Self" 1st !


IF we will NOT know our Real Selves i.e. Discover our "Real Selves",
we can go No Further...


NO Other can do this for us.... NOT even any other "Species" in your Universe.


Like it is said "You can take a Horse to Water BUT you can't make it Drink !"

One can NOT walk for another, neither can One grow Old for Another.

We Each have to do these things for our OWN "Selves" !


So disclosure achieves Nothing at All...

We Each have to experience Individually these things in our Own time !   


So "Alien Species" can ONLY "Watch" they can't do anything for You !


You must do it yourself..... 

[Edward]

Exactly my point !



Like it is said "You can take a Horse to Water BUT you can't make it Drink !"

One can NOT walk for anther neither can One grow Old for Another.

We Each have to do these things for our OWN "Selves" !






You must do it yourself..... 

hmmmmm sounds very familar to me.  I just can't seem to place it. 

[Pimander]

Anyhow, he had it analyzed and it came back as Really Weird But Human.

So not alien basically.

[thorfourwinds]

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[zorgon]

Also some of the "channelling" may not be coming from what those people think it's coming from.   So who's to say some entity/being is not misleading someone to fit their own adjenda.

Precisely   The mediums can be channeling LOKI for all they know. Considering that so far all the promised appearances given to channelers have been no shows. and have made the channelers look like fools, seems to me the info is NOT coming from our 'galactic brothers and sisters' but some trickster having a good laugh at our expense 

As above so below right?

That is a much quoted phrase... what does it mean?

[zorgon]

There is a big Lie going on Zorgon.  But with a lie there must be some element of truth in it.  As the lie gets bigger more truth has to be inserted to keep the "illusion"  a live and well, because no one would believe it other wise.

Yes and the bigger the lie gets, the harder it would be to contain it and it would reach the breaking point. Its been 50 + years since Roswell...  We know less today than we knew then

With that said.  We have to change socially.  Is humanity ready for free energy yes we are.  Amaterasu has it right and in the right path of some of what needs to happen.

Are we really ready for 'free energy'?  Can't we do CHEAP energy first?  Dropping Amy's idea of free energy into societies lap would spell disaster in the interim.  Even she has said her plan has no solution for the transition... and there is no time frame given for the transition...

Most people bantying about that term 'free energy' only have a vague idea what it means. In the inventor circles it means overunity... something from nothing... to most common folk it means energy they don't have to pay for...

But who will make the devices for free? Who will produce and distribute them to your home and car and do this for no return?

Who will convert your house and your car to use this new undefined 'free energy' and do it out of their own pocket for the good of all?

Does anyone have any concept of the amount of money needed to put this into place?  So who has the kind of resources needed to make it happen, knowing that the day after billions of people will lose jobs?  INSTANTLY...  Add that to an already stressed economy...

So yeah you will have free energy, but no job to pay for food.  So I ask again  What is the INTERIM time for the change to happen?  You cannot convert a system that huge overnight.

Who will feed all those people and house them while the change takes place? Oh wait  I forgot we have all those FEMA camps

Pipe dream... what we need is CHEAP energy first, that will stimulate growth and give people hope  and hope will revive the creative spirit.  We can do CHEAP energy NOW if we put our minds to it.

But it won't happen Why? Because there is NOT ONE PERSON in this forum that is willing to do something simple like BOYCOTT EXXON to send a message   Sure everyone talks big about needing to hit the greedy corporations below the belt, but no one has the guts to actually take action.

I hear a lot how 'free energy' devices are suppressed by da gubment... well what about JOHN SEARL and his device? It is claimed it works. In Britain he claims one went through the roof and kept going. His website shows model saucers flying with his device...

No government is suppressing him... his work is all over the web. He recently was on Facebook looking for someone to create a serious website to seek investors. ( I offered but got no reply)

So what happened? Does it work or not? No suppresion... no working model... no working reproduction...

Ah yes  maybe THAT is why we don't have it yet... no one has yet figured out how to make one and replicate them and then give them away for free

Waste is rampant as "planned obsolescence" abounds in the products produced, again driven by profit.

I have a microwave oven made by Citizen... a really good one... I bought it new when I had my first apartment around 1972. That thing has worked like a charm ever since... and is still going.

Citizen went bankrupt, all their employees lost their job

"planned obsolescence" is not only driven by profit. If an engineer didn't constantly design improvements and upgrade, he would soon not have a job.  Not everything is as simple as you would like to think it is

So...  In order to "[g]et [Our] planet in better shape and stop warring (, monkey-boys)," We Humans must eliminate corporate profit motive.  This will end war profiteering, dirty production, and products made to fail.  And, as most here know, I have shown that free energy is the key to removing all said problems.

HOW? How to implement it? You say "We Humans must eliminate corporate profit motive." 

Okay so STOP buying anything but necessities... No more I-phones, computers, fancy clothes, video games etc etc. Just buy basic clothing and a sewing machine so you can mend old clothing.  Just buy the food you need and stop going to restaurants or bars.

and BOYCOTT EXXON...

So who will pony up and be the first to stop?

Point is, MOST Humans are (or could be, with such motive removed and therefore such lies and propaganda) willing to get along and simple avoid Those They do not like.  Without profit motive, wars would dwindle to nothing."

Most humans I know will squabble and fight over just about anything... they don't need a 'profit motive'  Sometimes just looking at someone the wrong way will trigger a fight, or get you shot.

How many women will get into a cat fight when two of them show up to a GALA in the same dress?  How many wives will read you the riot act because you said the wrong thing today?

Profit is not the only thing that starts wars.  World War I was started over a sandwich... yeah that's right a SANDWICH...

Here is a short humorous version of the story  and how that simple sandwich triggered a chain reaction that started two world wars

http://laugharne.tumblr.com/post/100664146/the-sandwich-that-started-a-world-war

And PROFIT you say? Well right after WWI money was worthless... a wheel barrel of cash might but you food for a day... which is why Hilter was elected in the first place

Getting rid of the Profiteering for war, and the manipulation of  money and how it's currently being abused.  I know I said earlier misused but it's blatantly being abused and US along with it.

So fine, I am all ears... lets here you solution on HOW we can do it

Also Zorgon don't give the new agers such a bum wrap.  They like you or me are just as prone to making claims that would later turn out to be not what they aimed for or intended.  Such is life and we learn and grow but just like the New agers you, me, them, everyone that is on this path of truth and enlightement  we all are striving for the same goal so let's not lose sight of that.  We are all trying to help each other and the planet. 

When I say 'new agers' I use the term referring to those that just hop on the latest fad... and have never done a days worth of study or take a moment to examine if something has merit... they just blindly leap on the next wagon to Nervana.  We saw it with the 2012 hype, heck we saw it with Y2K... What will be the next one?

Today we see "occupy this...  and occupy that"  and we see people running around with silly white masks...  All that has happened is the sheep have jumped from following one shepherd to following a new shepherd... but in the end they are still SHEEP

Whatever the popular theme of the day is... they will blindly follow. This is why we get CULTS that all drink the KoolAid and take a ride on a comet that is a disguised GFL space cruiser


hard truth... but truth it is

[Pimander]

The DNA thing is absolutely true.  Years ago, Celera did the genome thing and concluded that DNA is NOT a blueprint, just 'guideposts'.  So, you could have lots of DNA that appears human but really isn't.

DNA simply codes for our proteins.  It is those proteins which make the chemical reactions that power our body possible at ~37C.  Basically the proteins (enzymes) are catalysts which make our cells into tiny industrial chemical plants.  Without enzymes made from the DNA most cellular biochemistry would not be possible at the temperature of our body.

In addition, I would point out a recent TED lecture in which a scientist asserted that DNA/RNA in human mucus cavities was surprizingly different, unexpected and unexplained relative to the person. 

I would predict that because one of the roles of mucus is to trap parasites like bacteria and fungus.  If you profile the DNA in mucus, some of it will be the DNA of the parasites and some the host.

AS for New Age 2012 Ascension types, I wonder...... if they sincerely get psychic messages, could they be like a group of broken radios?  They suffer from distortion and static but maybe...... taken collectively, they could be correct - such as, there is a Cabal,  there are things such as 'Archons',  we need to get our act together before Disclosure happens, etc. 

What would an Extraterrestrial viewpoint be like, looking down at the earth?  Would it appear as the channellers generally present it to be?

Basically, channellers are just opening themselves to who/whatever decides to communicate with them.  It is just mediumship.  I prefer to converse with any being rather than just receive info for obvious reasons.

[zorgon]

Basically, channellers are just opening themselves to who/whatever decides to communicate with them.  It is just mediumship.  I prefer to converse with any being rather than just receive info for obvious reasons.

So if you converse with someone face to face they will always tell you the truth? Sometimes a cop comes looking and flashes a badge to fast for you to really see it and turns out not to be a cop



Channeling is like talking to some nameless faceless nickname in a forum... you need to see ID before you can trust the source

[Pimander]

So if you converse with someone face to face they will always tell you the truth?

no but I can ask questions and rthe conversation has more value if you feed back to each other about what you already know or want to know.

Channelling is like talking to some nameless faceless nickname in a forum... you need to see ID before you can trust the source

Even if I have seen your ID, it is my nature to try to check whether what you say is true.  Many a lie is made credible by credentials or if told by a trusted source.  Surely you know this.