Pegasus Research Consortium

(http://media.rhizome.org/blog/8451/ows2.jpg)

In this image we have Anonymous' logo on the left, and the United Nations logo on the right.  Notice any similarities?

I was reminded of this after seeing another post on Reddit, about the "Million Mask March," planned for next month, to occur on the Fifth of November.  Someone responded asking if he was the only one who was suspicious of Anonymous; and I replied no.

Is the March simply a form of protest?  Or is it designed to create a scenario where a large number of dissidents and aspirant revolutionaries will all be in one place, where they can then be conveniently tagged and bagged by the authorities?

http://rhizome.org/editorial/2011/nov/22/revolutionary-convergences-history-and-symbolism-a/

The above linked article discusses the symbolism not only of Anon's post-Chanology logo, but also offers an eerie explanation of the poster for Occupy Wall Street.  Said explanation implies that the imagery in both cases, was created by someone with a fairly intimate knowledge of Greco-Roman mythology and symbolism.

Gee.  I wonder who that could be?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/All_seeing_eye.jpg)

nice.this is why i like you petrus.sometimes you find a good one.

You may note that My pieces have their own logo having nothing to do with the UN.  Anonymous is amorphous.  Yes there are factions within that are trying to direct things, BUT...

They are not as in control as They think.  Many, like Me, choose to be anonymous without matching the precepts and goals of the "established" group.

Just because One chooses to be anonymous does NOT follow that They are aligned with any given faction.

Quote from: Amaterasu on October 21, 2013, 07:41:19 AM
You may note that My pieces have their own logo having nothing to do with the UN.  Anonymous is amorphous.  Yes there are factions within that are trying to direct things, BUT...

They are not as in control as They think.  Many, like Me, choose to be anonymous without matching the precepts and goals of the "established" group.

Just because One chooses to be anonymous does NOT follow that They are aligned with any given faction.

I will concede that, Amy. :D

now that tor has been cracked.i dont think there are any anonymouses.

Quote from: robomont on October 21, 2013, 12:30:27 PM
now that tor has been cracked.i dont think there are any anonymouses.

Wouldn't know that looking at Twitter...

Quote from: Amaterasu on October 21, 2013, 07:41:19 AM
You may note that My pieces have their own logo having nothing to do with the UN.  Anonymous is amorphous.  Yes there are factions within that are trying to direct things, BUT...

They are not as in control as They think.  Many, like Me, choose to be anonymous without matching the precepts and goals of the "established" group.

Just because One chooses to be anonymous does NOT follow that They are aligned with any given faction.

Gold.

TPTB will attempt to subvert every movement we have, it is up to use to ensure our own success.

Anonymous isn't doing anything meaningful. It's just another psyop wherein the media/gov't octopus pretends to oppose itself.

It's right up there with Wikileaks, and the Julian Assange & Edward Snow'd 'Em actors & psyops.

Quote from: Logos on November 14, 2014, 08:34:40 AM
Anonymous isn't doing anything meaningful. It's just another psyop wherein the media/gov't octopus pretends to oppose itself.

It's right up there with Wikileaks, and the Julian Assange & Edward Snow'd 'Em actors & psyops.

It's an organization of politically like minded hacktivists . They believe they're doing all they can for whatever it is they believe in.

You have to be extremely careful with this "psyop" stuff.

From my perspective, your curiosity in "psyops" and what the nature of the threat  is....quite literally makes you employ precisely what you perceive you're protecting yourself from. 

Quote from: Amaterasu on October 21, 2013, 07:41:19 AM
They are not as in control as They think.  Many, like Me, choose to be anonymous without matching the precepts and goals of the "established" group.

So your saying your an Anonymous Anonymous?   :o

QuoteJust because One chooses to be anonymous does NOT follow that They are aligned with any given faction.

Then what is the point? And what cause do you march for? And how are your goals going to fare without conflicting with the goals of the "established" group.?

I am confused. How can you claim to be part of a group but say your not part of that group?

::)

Quote from: Sinny on June 21, 2014, 11:09:38 AM
TPTB will attempt to subvert every movement we have, it is up to use to ensure our own success.

Success at WHAT exactly? I am told Anonymous has no set purpose... just general chaos and protesting anything and everything, some hackers, some that have no idea why they are there other than its the latest trend. (that makes them sheep :P )

(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/07/29/13/072913ac55e5f7c46e477d3e0c84ae5e.jpg)

The poor and powerless always want to throw bricks and break things.  Different decade, same old schtick.

Quote from: zorgon on November 14, 2014, 10:31:00 AM
Success at WHAT exactly? I am told Anonymous has no set purpose... just general chaos and protesting anything and everything, some hackers, some that have no idea why they are there other than its the latest trend. (that makes them sheep :P )

(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/07/29/13/072913ac55e5f7c46e477d3e0c84ae5e.jpg)

And everyone using the term 'sheep' sounds like sheep to, BAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

But you are on your last incarnation here - what would I know?!

Quote from: Sinny on November 14, 2014, 12:47:42 PM
And everyone using the term 'sheep' sounds like sheep to, BAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

The term "Sheep" generally applies to any large group that follow any old leader without knowing why they are following that leader.  If you listen to many of those interviewed in the Million Mask March  you will find many lost sheep

For ANY organization to be viable and actually get anything done, it MUST have a focused purpose and work as a UNIT to achieve that purpose

You cannot change the world for the better with anarchy.  You may THINK you can but I am willing to bet that those touting anarchy will be the first to run for cover if it came  :P

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/Vault/Sheep_001.png)

QuoteBut you are on your last incarnation here - what would I know?!

Maybe I stop by to Haunt you   :P  Besides I said John was on his last time  I have one to go   8)

Quote from: Glaucon on November 14, 2014, 08:57:30 AM
It's an organization of politically like minded hacktivists . They believe they're doing all they can for whatever it is they believe in.

You have to be extremely careful with this "psyop" stuff.

From my perspective, your curiosity in "psyops" and what the nature of the threat  is....quite literally makes you employ precisely what you perceive you're protecting yourself from.

IOW, just assume it's what the media says it is?  ::) That Anonymous gets the kind of media coverage it does speaks volumes about what it is--and isn't.

Quote from: Logos on November 14, 2014, 11:02:26 PM
IOW, just assume it's what the media says it is?  ::) That Anonymous gets the kind of media coverage it does speaks volumes about what it is--and isn't.

Hi Logos.

Please concentrate on this particular statementL

Quote from: Glaucon on November 14, 2014, 08:57:30 AM

From my perspective, your curiosity in "psyops" and what the nature of the threat  is....quite literally makes you employ precisely what you perceive you're protecting yourself from.

Anonymous has made all sorts of wild claims about bringing the global cabal to it's knees and yet here we are still firmly under their rule. Anonymous has done nothing to improve the well being of humanity. Just another pimple on the ass of the world IMO.

Quote from: Glaucon on November 14, 2014, 11:14:17 PM
Hi Logos.

Please concentrate on this particular statementL

I said nothing about any "threat".

Quote from: Ellirium113 on November 14, 2014, 11:26:50 PM
Anonymous has made all sorts of wild claims about bringing the global cabal to it's knees and yet here we are still firmly under their rule.

That would be nice to see   8)

(http://www.sfmutants.com/images/BushArrest.jpg)

Leave ol' 'W' alone.

Quote from: Ellirium113 on November 14, 2014, 11:26:50 PM
... Anonymous has done nothing to improve the well being of humanity. Just another pimple on the ass of the world IMO.

Greetings:

Nothing?

Your apparent ignorance and unwarranted bias is uncalled for.

Please go back and actually comprehend what this thread (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7288.0) is about and
see if your statement stands the test of truth.

With great respect,
tfw
on the road on our tablet
awaiting snow in N Georgia...

I don't think he's ignorant nor unwarranted bias. I believe your looking in a mirror Thor when making those comments.

With great respect  ::)

;) ;D

QuoteAnonymous has done nothing to improve the well being of humanity.

So, Sarge, You are backing Ellirium113's claim 100% ?

... as to NOTHING?   :P

Yes, I have a bias, hardly unwarranted, and I am hardly ignorant on the subject of Anonymous.

Let's review:


Published on Feb 28, 2014

Greetings Citizens of the World:

What is Freedom of Speech?

And why is it relevant to society?

Most people respond that freedom of speech is the right to say whatever you want or to voice your own opinion.

While this makes all of you feel better knowing (thinking...tfw) you won't be murdered by your government for speaking your mind, this is just a minor point in its relevancy to society.

Few people realize that actions are really what enables society to progress through freedom of speech.

MLK's 'I have a dream speech' was not nearly as important as the simple act of a black man, in those times, walking up to the podium to speak for the oppressed.

Freedom of speech is changing your online habits to avoid NSA spying.

Freedom of speech is all of the small choices you make daily that you don't even think about.

In the age of the internet people still fail to realize that real life and internet, while connected, are not one and the same. On the internet you are given the choice to choose how you represent yourself.

In real life, you are represented by the way you look, by the color of your skin, by the clothes you wear, by your accent, by your gender and many other arbitrary things.


Considering this: imagine an account on Twitter had images of swastikas and they said the word "nigger." Most people pass by that account assuming they are inherently racist. The internet is made up of free speech and symbolism displayed on a screen. Its not made up of anything tangible.

It's 2013, and people are still offended by words and symbols on a screen.

4chan (http://www.4chan.org) has used words and symbolism not to define itself, but to keep out the people that have failed to understand them in real life.

People that don't get their jokes and fail to grasp the simple ideas spread around.

Maybe the Twitter account posting swastikas just wanted to offend you and keep you out of their mentions.

Recently @anon_central was suspended for allegedly d0xing someone.

First off, the person posting most of that was being an idiot but they didn't d0x anyone.

What was posted was a link that was in the top search on google.com.

They also did not create the images posted. Were they suspended for linking content that already existed?

Are you going to be happy when you get suspended for posting a link that you found on google? Did they cause you to have feels and butthurts?

Or did they create a platform in which people discussed other relevant issues about rape that rarely get discussed?

Even the "negatives" of free speech are relevant to society.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean you get to choose who gets to use it.

Recent revelations about NSA spying have back the terrible phrase, "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear."

This is a statement that gets put out without any real rebuttal to why or how it is so detrimental to the growth of society.

We know that people willing give up liberty for security in our "Free" society. I feel they would be less inclined to if they knew the harm it caused.



You start becoming afraid that the people spying may not understand what it is you are trying to say and think you have malicious intent.

We have seen this happen too many times. We have the Facebook rapper, the Tumblr experiment, the airport sandwich guy and so on.

Spying forces people to revoke their own freedom of expression.


Further reading:

More Hacktivism and Cyberwarfare:? 3D printed gun 'removed from internet': http://bit.ly/10UFTQD

Syria's internet blackout and the propaganda war: http://bit.ly/19mI3xr

Who are LulzSec?: http://bit.ly/19mI58A

Are cyber attacks the future of warfare?: http://bit.ly/13h6nxp

Birgitta Jonsdottir, Bitcoin & The Economist: Can we govern ourselves in a digital age?

Live debate: http://bit.ly/17oQgVm

Is trying to stop online piracy a waste of time?: http://bit.ly/15IxkBb

Truthloader meets Anonymous: http://bit.ly/12rjVJ2

Silk Road and the online drugs trade: http://bit.ly/169rmJF

How to get through the Great Firewall of China: http://bit.ly/ZXeoqA

And this just now... :P

https://twitter.com/hashtag/Anonymous?src=hash

Or did Y'all forget Scientology, pedophiles, Egypt Spring...  ;)

Quote from: thorfourwinds on November 17, 2014, 01:21:21 AM
And this just now... :P

https://twitter.com/hashtag/Anonymous?src=hash

Or did Y'all forget Scientology, pedophiles, Egypt Spring...  ;)

Could you tell us (the ones that don't follow the Anonymous trend) what did they did regarding Scientology, paedophiles and the so called Egypt Spring?

Thanks in advance. :)

So if someone doesn't agree with you they're ignorant and biased? Oh how godly of you. Please excuse us ignorant biased non believers. Please  forgive us oh great one. You of the simmering flashing gifs.
On bended knee to your all knowing greatness!
::)

Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on November 17, 2014, 02:01:13 AM
So if someone doesn't agree with you they're ignorant and biased? Oh how godly of you. Please excuse us ignorant biased non believers. Please  forgive us oh great one. You of the simmering flashing gifs.
On bended knee to your all knowing greatness!
::)

But he adds "Peace Love Light" at the end of his posts, so everything is OK.  :P

QuoteAnonymous has done nothing to improve the well being of humanity.

Ignorance (no offense was intended) implies that One 'perhaps overlooked' (in their due diligence in order to comment coherently on this subject) or perhaps 'conveniently' missed these, among numerous other instances where We, the People, voice their concerns.

BTW, there are esteemed members of PRC and Alpha Tango Sierra who were actively involved in Code Name "Egypt Spring" / Operation Egypt and ...   :P



Bias (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6LhQQr6640&list=PL5we3MsiXuidKuV5F8py3gEMy5NWpQeDS&spfreload=10) is where One looks for the negative in all instances concerning 'Anonymous' without sufficient background to make such all-encompassing statements.




2011-01-29 No Internet? No Problem! Anonymous Faxes Egypt (http://wlcentral.org/node/1125)

Dear Citizens of the World:

Anonymous cannot, and will not stand idly while people are being denied their basic rights and human liberties.

Yet, there are still a lot of governments worldwide who fail to even aspire to the standard of freedom that was set by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. These governments believe they have the right and privilege to impose upon their own people an 'official' version of 'reality' which isn't in any way tampered by the truths of everyday life under which its citizens are living.

Anonymous believes this is an outright crime which can not go unpunished.

The Egyptian people are living under inhumane conditions; being denied their basic rights to freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of association, and the free access to information. By imposing censorship upon its own people and condemning these freedoms, the Egyptian government has revealed itself to be criminal, and has made itself an enemy of Anonymous.

To the Egyptian Government:
Anonymous challenges all those who are involved in censorship.

Anonymous wants you to offer free access to uncensored media in your entire country. When you ignore this message, not only will we attack your government websites, Anonymous will also make sure that the international media sees the horrid reality you impose upon your people. Anonymous will not spare anybody who supports this suppression.

It is in the hands of the Egyptian government to end this: continue your repression and you will be subject to civil protest - lend an ear to the claim of freedom from your people and the hostilities will cease.

To the Egyptian people:
We stand together and united against this oppression.

This struggle is not just for you alone, but for the whole of humankind. Citizens can no longer endure their governments abuse. When forced by the threat of oppression, we will be loud as hell - and when the people roar, it will send shivers down the spines of all those who stifle our freedom and take our precious liberties away.

Anonymous are your brothers and sisters, your sons and daughters, your parents and your friends, regardless of age, gender, race, religion, ethnicity, or place of birth.

Anonymous is you.

You will not be denied your right to free speech, free press, free association and your universal right to freely access information, both in real life and through the internet.

Join us on the IRC - irc.anonops.ru #opEgypt !

Join us in this battle for freedom of information worldwide!

For as Khalil Gibran once said: "Life without Freedom is like a body without a soul, and Freedom without Thought is like a confused spirit... Life, Freedom and Thought are three-in-one, and are everlasting and shall never pass away."


Anonymous Internet Users Help Egypt Communicate (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/29/anonymous-internet-egypt_n_815889.html)


Operation Egypt - Anonymous' most memorable hacks - Pictures - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/anonymous-most-memorable-hacks/9/)


Egypt versus the internet – Anonymous hackers launch DDoS attack-Naked Security (https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2011/01/26/egypt-versus-the-internet-anonymous-hackers-launch-ddos-attack/)


Egyptian Government Web Site Shut Down by Hackers - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/03/world/middleeast/03hackers.html?_r=0)


Anonymous 'hacktivists' attack Egyptian websites - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/41280813/ns/technology_and_science-security/t/anonymous-hacktivists-attack-egyptian-websites/#.VGlfUku1xFI)


Egyptian Anonymous-Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/EgyptianAnonymous)


Amid Digital Blackout, Anonymous Mass-Faxes WikiLeaks Cables To Egypt (http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2011/01/28/amid-digital-blackout-anonymous-mass-faxes-wikileaks-cables-to-egypt/)


We close with this, and ask all three of you: Ellirium113, ArMaP and Sgt.Rocknroll to comment on this video and please not continue to attack the messenger - although "...your all knowing greatness" was recorded as potential enlightenment on Sarge's part - or not   :P

Sarge, You may now rise from bended knee (and, in the future, please reserve genuflection for Zorgon).   :P

No! You're NOT me. And I'm not YOU. I don't care what forum you belong to. Esteemed or not! And you NEVER intend to offend. ::)

I think I've made my point. Good night!  ;)

QuoteWe close with this, and ask all three of you: Ellirium113, ArMaP and Sgt.Rocknroll to comment on this video and please not continue to attack the messenger - although "...your all knowing greatness" was recorded as potential enlightenment on Sarge's part - or not

Well lets see...

Anonymous was going to provide evidence of extraterrestrials...where is it?
http://www.voiceofgreyhat.com/2012/05/anonymous-vows-to-release-evidence-of.html
(http://www.voiceofgreyhat.com/2012/05/anonymous-vows-to-release-evidence-of.html)

Anonymous has vowed to destroy facebook in 2011... yet it is still here:

QuoteHacker Group "Anonymous" Vows to Destroy Facebook on November 5th>They released a video message saying that "the medium of communication we all so dearly adore will be destroyed". How they plan to do this, they didn't say. But if history is to be based upon, then you can expect them to literally take down Facebook and make it unavailable...

https://www.facebook.com/the.new.illuminati/posts/193698227361189 (https://www.facebook.com/the.new.illuminati/posts/193698227361189)

Then again in 2011 they were going to attack the Federal Reserve. This was merely a DOS attack.  ::)http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/14/anonymous_plats_assault_on_federal_reserve/ (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/14/anonymous_plats_assault_on_federal_reserve/)

Yhen yet again in 2011 they were going to shut down Fox news...They are still here.
http://www.politicususa.com/2011/10/24/anonymous-fox-news.html (http://www.politicususa.com/2011/10/24/anonymous-fox-news.html)

They have vowed to take out the illuminati at least since 2012...yet they are still here:
http://commonsenseconspiracy.com/2012/03/anonymous-challenges-the-illuminati-claims-it-can-read-illuminati-messages-and-symbols/ (http://commonsenseconspiracy.com/2012/03/anonymous-challenges-the-illuminati-claims-it-can-read-illuminati-messages-and-symbols/)

Then in 2013 they were going to shut down Guantanamo...it is still here.

Quote"We stand in solidarity with the Guantanamo hunger strikers. We will shut down Guantanamo," Anonymous' online statement reads.

The group did not detail how it is would achieve this goal, but promised "twitterstorms, email bombs and fax bombs" would be part of its anti-Gitmo efforts. The group said mass protests would take place from May 17 to 19.

http://rt.com/news/anonymous-guantanamo-protest-opgtmo-947/ (http://rt.com/news/anonymous-guantanamo-protest-opgtmo-947/)

2013...they were going to wipe Israel off cyberspace...they are still here.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/296946.html (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/296946.html)

July 2014 they were going to unleash their wrath on the US lawmakers...They are still functioning just fine.
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/anonymous-video-wrath-cisa-cybersecurity-capitol-police/ (http://www.dailydot.com/politics/anonymous-video-wrath-cisa-cybersecurity-capitol-police/)

They were going to attack the NYSE...it's still here.

QuoteConsidering Anonymous claims next Monday will be a day "that will never be forgotten," we can only surmise that they intend to attack the physical stock exchange of the NYSE itself, rather than the web site of the NYSE, although the threat to "erase" the NYSE suggets a simple Denial of Service (DOS) attack is more likely.

Anonymous has so far attacked the web sites of various financial institutions around the world, as well as organizations they believe to be operating against the interests of the general public, but they have yet to do any significant damage. They threatened to take down Facebook (for some bizarre reason), but nothing happened. Of course, this unimpressive track record would change dramatically if they were to take down the NYSE on Monday.

http://www.exohuman.com/wordpress/2011/10/anonymous-vows-to-attack-the-nyse/ (http://www.exohuman.com/wordpress/2011/10/anonymous-vows-to-attack-the-nyse/)

While their cause may be noble and they have made and carried out minor threats, I will not hold my breath waiting for them to do much of anything that is significant to alter the course of our future. Unless of course you count the theft of credit information as a major contributing factor (not sure how this helped us maybe you could explain?). You may turn purple if you like.

Quote from: thorfourwinds on November 16, 2014, 09:52:56 PM
awaiting snow in N Georgia...

Can you request Anonymous to hack the weather control satellites and send some of that white stuff our way?

8)

QuoteWe close with this, and ask all three of you: Ellirium113, ArMaP and Sgt.Rocknroll to comment on this video and please not continue to attack the messenger - although "...your all knowing greatness" was recorded as potential enlightenment on Sarge's part - or not   :P

Sarge, You may now rise from bended knee (and, in the future, please reserve genuflection for Zorgon).   

Your entitled to your opinion and i to mine. That is the point here! The difference is I'm not going to call you ignorant because you believe what you do. You insult in your posts then apologize at the end. And everything is ok? Naw I don't think so. And that's my point. Nothing else. I don't care about your messages! Your posts are too long for me to waste my time going through all the pretty gifs. But that's me and some find your posts entertaining.

Peace, love and light dear friend! ;) 8)

Quote from: thorfourwinds on November 17, 2014, 04:15:56 AM
Ignorance (no offense was intended) implies that One 'perhaps overlooked' (in their due diligence in order to comment coherently on this subject) or perhaps 'conveniently' missed these, among numerous other instances where We, the People, voice their concerns.

See, it's the inclusion of things like that "conveniently" that may make some people interpret those messages as offensive, at least that's how I see it, although I am not offended by anything. :)

Another thing, you (either your individual "you" or any collective "you" from which you are part) are not "the people", you (any "you") are just part of the people, and "you" are not voicing my concerns, only voicing your own concerns. Yes, they may be common to many people, but not to all, and you (any "you") say that you are talking in other people's name you are, effectively, usurping their voice, specially when talking "in the name" of people that, for reason or another, cannot answer an YouTube video, for example.

QuoteBTW, there are esteemed members of PRC and Alpha Tango Sierra who were actively involved in Code Name "Egypt Spring" / Operation Egypt and ...   :P

That's irrelevant.

Quote

We Are You   :P

No, you're not, stop lying.

QuoteBias (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6LhQQr6640&list=PL5we3MsiXuidKuV5F8py3gEMy5NWpQeDS&spfreload=10) is where One looks for the negative in all instances concerning 'Anonymous' without sufficient background to make such all-encompassing statements.

No, bias can be pro or against any thing, anyone biased towards Anonymous may not see their negative side, in the same way someone biased against them may not see the positive side.
And as for "encompassing statements", what about "we are you"? There's nothing more encompassing than that.

QuoteWe close with this, and ask all three of you: Ellirium113, ArMaP and Sgt.Rocknroll to comment on this video and please not continue to attack the messenger - although "...your all knowing greatness" was recorded as potential enlightenment on Sarge's part - or not   :P

First of all, I did  watch the video. :)
My only comment is: it's just the same blah, blah, blah.

Quote from: ArMaP on November 17, 2014, 01:10:51 PM
See, it's the inclusion of things like that "conveniently" that may make some people interpret those messages as offensive

All the people from all walks of life need to grow up, grow a pair, and stop being offended. Period.

Quote from: Sinny on November 17, 2014, 01:19:00 PM
All the people from all walks of life need to grow up, grow a pair, and stop being offended. Period.

Why? Being offended is a personal thing, isn't that limiting their freedom?

As being 'offended' is an emotion, that cannot be infringed upon.

Neither can their emotion infringe upon anyone elses right to offend lool.

Hense my advice, things will run far more smoothly if peole learn not to take offence.

Quote from: Sinny on November 17, 2014, 02:38:26 PM
As being 'offended' is an emotion, that cannot be infringed upon.

No, but when you say something like "people need to stop being offended", it looks like you are trying to limit their emotions.

QuoteHense my advice, things will run far more smoothly if peole learn not to take offence.

Said that way, I agree. :)

Quote from: ArMaP on November 17, 2014, 03:45:02 PM
No, but when you say something like "people need to stop being offended", it looks like you are trying to limit their emotions.

Try as I like, I don't have the power to do so haha.

Quote from: ArMaP on November 17, 2014, 01:10:51 PM
My only comment is: it's just the same blah, blah, blah.

Just? I thought blah, blah, blah along with 42 number was the TRUTH about EVERYTHING.... :P

Quote from: Sinny on November 17, 2014, 01:19:00 PM
All the people from all walks of life need to grow up, grow a pair, and stop being offended. Period.

So if I see members of a certain group stoning women because they dare speak... I should not take offense?

Hmmm perhaps outrage then?

All things are relative  8)

And by that logic... no one should take offense by anything the PTB do in our name. Just grow a pair and ignore it, go on about your business.  Yup would make for a more peaceful world   8)

Sorry I should have been clearer.

I was referring to individual opinions, from the perspective of 'Political Correctness' - and not individual or group *actions*. 

In regards to (I think it was Sarge's) comment that Thor had 'Offended' him and all was "not okay" for him.

People are free to offend, within the 'law' naturally.

And Z.. Ignoring problems does not make them go away.

I guess I don't get it. I'm ignorant for not towing the line and agreeing with someone? Ooooookkkkk.  ???

I was actually referring to Thors statement to someone else.

I'm not offended by anything I've seen here. Just don't care anymore.

A few of you are *ignoring* the fact that Anonymous are not all bad, and have created some positive acheivements.

From that perspective, I have seen some ignorance...

I think Thor is just seeking some recognition of that fact.

With people like Thor at the helm, how could they not be making positive impacts?

I think there's a large effort going on to discredit any sort of resistance we make and any form of independant thought we have.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, they can only destroy that which we allow them to destroy.

If we all just 'quit' because a few people are utterly defeatest, we'd never get anywhere... Anywhere good anyway.

Quote from: Sinny on November 17, 2014, 07:22:11 PM
A few of you are *ignoring* the fact that Anonymous are not all bad, and have created some positive acheivements.

Just because someone does some good things along with some bad doesn't mean that we should forget the bad, otherwise John Wayne Gacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne_Gacy) should have been pardoned. :P

QuoteI think Thor is just seeking some recognition of that fact.

Then I suppose he should present the positive facts and stop the publicity.

QuoteWith people like Thor at the helm, how could they not be making positive impacts?

From what I have seen, Thor is a great help for those in need, and someone that is always ready to help, but that doesn't mean that all the things he does are positive, or even that any of the things he does are 100% positive, as they say, Hell is full of good intentions.

QuoteI think there's a large effort going on to discredit any sort of resistance we make and any form of independant thought we have.

No need for that, they do the discrediting themselves.

QuoteI've said it before, and I'll say it again, they can only destroy that which we allow them to destroy.

Yes, that's why I don't want anyone to present themselves as speaking for myself.

QuoteIf we all just 'quit' because a few people are utterly defeatest, we'd never get anywhere... Anywhere good anyway.

True, but doing the wrong things wouldn't help either. What's the use of defacing a web site (something that lasts some hours) to protest against something if things remain as they were (or get even worse)? After all these years they should have an extremely long list of very positive things done, but I'm still waiting for it.

Quote from: Sinny on November 17, 2014, 06:40:24 PM
Sorry I should have been clearer.

I was referring to individual opinions, from the perspective of 'Political Correctness' - and not individual or group *actions*. 

In regards to (I think it was Sarge's) comment that Thor had 'Offended' him and all was "not okay" for him.

People are free to offend, within the 'law' naturally.

And Z.. Ignoring problems does not make them go away.

I think it was my less than politically correct remark about them that started this. While I apologize for my colorful use of terminology, I do not apologize for my opinion that they are not about to change the path of the future in any significant way. I can't in good faith commend them for their actions on one front while at the same time they are destroying the lives of innocents they are sworn to be helping by releasing personal information of people simply guilty by association within the scope of their attacks while the real culprits go about their business.

This is my first post, so please be nice My mother put me on an IEP  all through grade school, and it was not until my parents put a computer in our house did i realize how my learning disability actually effected me. I encourage grammar/spelling corrections as a response, but please dont make me feel inferior. I would just like to add my thoughts on this topic, and hopefully stimulate some new ideas towards the issue of trusting a group that resists our all consuming ontological grasp of reality.

i read this whole thread, and thought it was great.  I will admit, my knowledge about anonymous is limited , and only comes from main stream media. I have always wanted to no more, but never really sought out information. Not because i was lazy, but because i know what they are trying to do as Anonymous.   In my mind, being anonymous allows you to enter into a discourse and participate without having to sacrifice your alterity/Otherness.

quite frankly, we live in a time where everyone takes alterity is taken for granted

I dont think anyone experienced the results of having their alterity obliterated more than the jews who lived in Nazi Germany

not seeking out information was my way of honoring those who have had to suffer from the loss of their altetiy/otherness


i do not think its constructive to argue about what anonymous has said. If they wanted to be known for what they say, i dont think they would of chosen to go by that name. Instead, i think its more constructive to look at what they have done, and then decided if those actions are those of anonymous. I think its likely that someone is using their god given power, simply to help people that are suffering at the hands of cruel governemtns, and someone realized what this entity was doing and decided to be their voice/mask for the public. That is the beauty of operating under the guise of anonymous, no one can reduce you to the same. Thus we will never really know. I feel like anonymous is forcing us to come face to face with the violence of ontology, by denying people the ability to know them an a ontological fashion. 

I dont think we should trust anonymous in the same way we trust our neighbor, but i do think we should trust them as an entity that resists our ontological grasps of the world. Hopefully by positioning themselves outside the box, they will institute real change. We should keep our eye raised, because history has shown us exactly what people can do in a position of power. Only time will tell, and actions speak louder than words

        `Zenkyai

Quote from: Zenkyai on November 19, 2014, 02:11:25 AM
This is my first post, so please be nice

Welcome to Pegasus, Zenkyai. :)

QuoteIn my mind, being anonymous allows you to enter into a discourse and participate without having to sacrifice your alterity/Otherness.

I don't understand what "alterity/otherness" means, could you please explain it? Thanks in advance. :)

But, even without knowing what it really means, I don't think anyone has to sacrifice any thing to speak their mind, at least in free countries.

Quotei do not think its constructive to argue about what anonymous has said. If they wanted to be known for what they say, i dont think they would of chosen to go by that name.

Well, what we get is mostly things they say, as they appear more worried about making publicity of their actions than on the actions themselves, as they keep on pointing their actions most likely to appear on the mainstream media than on other, less attention-grabbing but more useful actions they may do.

QuoteInstead, i think its more constructive to look at what they have done, and then decided if those actions are those of anonymous.

That's one of the problems, as anyone can claim to be part of Anonymous.

QuoteI think its likely that someone is using their god given power, simply to help people that are suffering at the hands of cruel governemtns, and someone realized what this entity was doing and decided to be their voice/mask for the public. That is the beauty of operating under the guise of anonymous, no one can reduce you to the same. Thus we will never really know.

That's also one of the problems, as anyone can do bad actions and claim they were made by Anonymous, anyone can claim good actions made by others were made by Anonymous, etc.

QuoteI feel like anonymous is forcing us to come face to face with the violence of ontology, by denying people the ability to know them an a ontological fashion.

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by that. :(

QuoteI dont think we should trust anonymous in the same way we trust our neighbor, but i do think we should trust them as an entity that resists our ontological grasps of the world. Hopefully by positioning themselves outside the box, they will institute real change.

From what I have seen, they have done nothing that resulted in real change, at least in a more global level, the level they were supposed to be acting.

QuoteWe should keep our eye raised, because history has shown us exactly what people can do in a position of power. Only time will tell, and actions speak louder than words

I agree, and that's what I haven't seen, actions speaking positively about them.

Quote from: ArMaP on November 19, 2014, 11:50:53 AM

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by that. :(
From what I have seen, they have done nothing that resulted in real change, at least in a more global level, the level they were supposed to be acting.

Uh...I think the term "nothing" will be taken quite literally again...I think we should maybe used the term "done little" as they HAVE done "SOMETHING".  ;)

Quote from: Ellirium113 on November 19, 2014, 12:37:38 PM
Uh...I think the term "nothing" will be taken quite literally again...I think we should maybe used the term "done little" as they HAVE done "SOMETHING".  ;)

OK, what "something" did they did that resulted in real change?

Maybe Thor could elaborate since it was his insistence that "NOTHING" was very WRONG.

Quote from: Ellirium113 on November 19, 2014, 09:58:05 PM
Maybe Thor could elaborate since it was his insistence that "NOTHING" was very WRONG.

Well I for one am willing to concede that some people in Anonymous MAY have the right idea at heart... and truly believe that what they are doing is for the common good...

But with no Leader and no focused purpose ANYONE can do ANYTHING they want   8)

Quote from: zorgon on November 19, 2014, 10:37:28 PM
Well I for one am willing to concede that some people in Anonymous MAY have the right idea at heart... and truly believe that what they are doing is for the common good...

But with no Leader and no focused purpose ANYONE can do ANYTHING they want   8)

While I whole heartedly agree that their message is noble, who are they to decide that it is for the greater good? How well did that work out for any group throughout history? Unless Anonymous can change human nature all that will happen is one form of corruption will be replaced by another.

So let's look at specific cases...

In this case we have 10 perps... a small number to be sure... I pulled a few snippets...

Anonymous Defendants Plead Guilty in PayPal Cyber-Attack

The hacker group Anonymous took credit for the attack, saying it was retaliation for the online payment company suspending the account of WikiLeaks, the anti-secrecy website.

Okay so  the 'GROUP" Anonymous is taking credit for this action....

/The charges stem from "denial of service attacks" that saturate targeted computers with communication requests so service is denied to legitimate users. Anonymous was described by prosecutors as an online collective of individuals associated with collaborative hacking attacks motivated by political and social goals.

>so service is denied to legitimate users.  One of those legitimate users would be ME. I depend on Ebay, Etsy, Paypal to make a LIVING  so by denying ME access to my accounts it effects ME Directly and I seriously doubt it effects Paypal as a whole very much at all

So having been on the receiving end several times of Anonymous hack attacks...  yeah I am biased against them :P

From Anon... the mouth of the horse as it were

We [Anonymous] just happen to be a group of people on the internet who need—just kind of an outlet to do as we wish, that we wouldn't be able to do in regular society. ...That's more or less the point of it. Do as you wish. ... There's a common phrase: 'we are doing it for the lulz.'   "
—Trent Peacock. Search Engine: The face of Anonymous, February 7, 2008

That about covers it  in my opinion  :P

Journalists have commented that Anonymous' secrecy, fabrications, and media awareness pose an unusual challenge for reporting on the group's actions and motivations. Quinn Norton of Wired writes that "Anons lie when they have no reason to lie. They weave vast fabrications as a form of performance. Then they tell the truth at unexpected and unfortunate times, sometimes destroying themselves in the process. They are unpredictable." Norton states that the difficulties in reporting on the group cause most writers, including herself, to focus on the "small groups of hackers who stole the limelight from a legion, defied their values, and crashed violently into the law" rather than "Anonymous's sea of voices, all experimenting with new ways of being in the world"

Gotta LOVE this one...  the Ion Cannon..

The DDoS attacks were at first carried out with the applications Gigaloader and JMeter. Within a few days, these were supplanted by the Low Orbit Ion Cannon (LOIC), a network stress testing application allowing users to flood a server with TCP or UDP packets. The LOIC soon became a signature weapon in the Anonymous arsenal; however, it would also lead to a number of arrests of less experienced Anons who failed to conceal their IP addresses.[45] Some operators in Anonymous IRC channels incorrectly told or lied to new volunteers that using the LOIC carried no legal risk.

Quote from: ArMaP on November 19, 2014, 01:55:41 PM
OK, what "something" did they did that resulted in real change?

Okay I found one... 8)

in 2008 Anon became world reknown as a hackivist group for attacks against scientology. Seems Anon started with the Masks in their Vendetta against the Church of Scientology...   8)

During the DDoS attacks, a group of Anons including Gregg Housh uploaded a video to YouTube in which a robotic voice speaks on behalf of Anonymous, telling the "leaders of Scientology" that "For the good of your followers, for the good of mankind—for the laughs—we shall expel you from the Internet." Within ten days, the video had attracted hundreds of thousands of views.

On February 10, thousands of Anonymous joined simultaneous protests at Church of Scientology facilities around the world. Many protesters wore the stylized Guy Fawkes masks popularized by the graphic novel and movie V for Vendetta, in which an anarchist revolutionary battles a totalitarian government; the masks soon became a popular symbol for Anonymous. In-person protests against the Church continued throughout the year, including "Operation Party Hard" on March 15 and "Operation Reconnect" on April 12. However, by mid-year, they were drawing far fewer protesters, and many of the organizers in IRC channels had begun to drift away from the project.

In response
By the start of 2009, Scientologists had stopped engaging with protesters and had improved online security, and actions against the group had largely ceased. A period of infighting followed between the politically engaged members (called "moralfags" in the parlance of 4chan) and those seeking to provoke for entertainment (trolls)

So what good did Anon do?  They forced organizations like Scientology to beef up their internet security ad effectively stop the hack attacks.  What did Anon do? they fought internally over wether they shoudl do it for moral issues or laughs (lulz)

In the later Paypal attacks...

The attacks brought down PayPal.com for an hour on December 8 and another brief period on December 9. Anonymous also disrupted the sites for Visa and MasterCard on December 8. Anons had announced an intention to bring down Amazon.com as well, but failed to do so, allegedly because of infighting with the hackers who controlled the botnets

So I guess really they didn't do much  Only an hour or two and Paypal beefed up security to prevent it. Interesting that they never attacked Amazon... maybe too many Anon LIKE Amazon  LOL

So Anon attack HAVE changed things   They made companies BEEF UP security

Too bad WE cannot afford to do that   sigh.......

Which one of these is the FBI Agent?  Can YOU pick him out?

(http://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2431440/1280px-Anonymous_at_Scientology_in_Los_Angeles.0.jpg)

Quote from: zorgon on November 19, 2014, 11:51:28 PM
Which one of these is the FBI Agent?  Can YOU pick him out?

(http://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2431440/1280px-Anonymous_at_Scientology_in_Los_Angeles.0.jpg)

The one with the mask?  :P

Quote from: ArMaP on November 19, 2014, 11:55:04 PM
The one with the mask?  :P

Come on now ArMaP  use those debunker photo analysis skills of yours. It is easy to tell   :P

Quote from: Logos on November 16, 2014, 08:06:24 PM
I said nothing about any "threat".

Regardless, I'm sure we both agree that "psyops" inherently possess the capacity to influence. It's a factor in the processes you use while while your inner dialogue pours over "psyops". I'm not trying to be confrontational or insulting.

How To Spot the FBI Infiltrators...

Next time your at an Anonymous Event... check out the guy behind you  8)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/Vault/FBIGUY.png)

Quote from: zorgon on November 20, 2014, 09:24:45 AM
How To Spot the FBI Infiltrators...

Next time your at an Anonymous Event... check out the guy behind you  8)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/Vault/FBIGUY.png)

In Portugal it would be the guy on the left, as that's the one with no suit or tie. :)

Either that or the woman on the second window from the right in the building behind them. ;)

Quote from: Zenkyai on November 19, 2014, 02:11:25 AM
I encourage grammar/spelling corrections as a response, but please dont make me feel inferior.

Hi Zenkyai, english is not my first lenguage, so dont make me feel inferior :)

Quotestimulate some new ideas towards the issue of trusting a group that resists our all consuming ontological grasp of reality.

I dont feel frustrate about anonnymous, because i take them as simply as any other movement. A movement that began with noble ideals but fragile in our modern world. Fragile, because like all decentralized movement, it becomes liable to attacks of various kinds such as infiltration and betrayal.

QuoteIn my mind, being anonymous allows you to enter into a discourse and participate without having to sacrifice your alterity/Otherness.

Well its not because you are using a "mask" that you will be not affect by the other people. They still will be changing/affecting you. For bad or good.

Quotequite frankly, we live in a time where everyone takes alterity is taken for granted

Unless you live alone as a hermit, or has a molded your personality to shield others, in my opinion everyone living in society are affected in some way by the others. Whether positive or negative.

QuoteI dont think anyone experienced the results of having their alterity obliterated more than the jews who lived in Nazi Germany

The great lesson nazism let us is that a moral barrier that was previously unbridgeable for our Western civilization, is overthrow and that it is possible to kill millions simply by, previously dehumanizing and depriving them of their most basic rights.

Only a philosophy based on the infinite responsibility for the other, in full recognition of its otherness, will be able to oppose barbarism.

Quotei do not think its constructive to argue about what anonymous has said. If they wanted to be known for what they say, i dont think they would of chosen to go by that name. Instead, i think its more constructive to look at what they have done, and then decided if those actions are those of anonymous. I think its likely that someone is using their god given power, simply to help people that are suffering at the hands of cruel governemtns, and someone realized what this entity was doing and decided to be their voice/mask for the public.

In my opinion the name anonnymous works more as a brand, that carry significance. If they would not wanted to be known, we would not have even that name in surface.  To me this indicates that they are seeking some kind of recognition.

Afterall, Assange ad Snowden are examples. They dont use masks, they are not anonnymous and we all saw what happened to them.

The problem to use "masks" or "avatars" is that we never know the face behind the actions nor the intentions behind the acts.

QuoteI feel like anonymous is forcing us to come face to face with the violence of ontology, by denying people the ability to know them an a ontological fashion. 

To me it would only works if you dont use masks. Turn people into an amorphous mass is dangerous.

QuoteI dont think we should trust anonymous in the same way we trust our neighbor, but i do think we should trust them as an entity that resists our ontological grasps of the world. Hopefully by positioning themselves outside the box, they will institute real change. We should keep our eye raised, because history has shown us exactly what people can do in a position of power. Only time will tell, and actions speak louder than words

Would be those changes for the better?

I agree with you that we cant trust them. but its diferent when you know the people you are dealing. I know the name of my neighbor, I can act against him if i need to react. Cant say the same about this so-called anonnymous movement.

Quote from: Glaucon on November 20, 2014, 01:16:34 AM
Regardless, I'm sure we both agree that "psyops" inherently possess the capacity to influence.

Of course, they do; that's the purpose for their creation but this is getting off point, that being that "Anonymous" is most likely not a grass-roots organization as the media would have us believe but rather just another fictional narrative in the gov't/media artificial reality construct, staffed with their agents.

Quote from: Logos on December 06, 2014, 12:55:58 AM
Of course, they do; that's the purpose for their creation but this is getting off point, that being that "Anonymous" is most likely not a grass-roots organization as the media would have us believe but rather just another fictional narrative in the gov't/media artificial reality construct, staffed with their agents.

In the context in which organizations first entrench their beginnings, classifying a successfully solidified organization is strictly academic and granular in nature. It'd be rather over simplistic and insufficient for us to discuss the definition of "grass-roots" ,as it pertains in this thread, without a philosophical discussion.