Marijuana / Cannabis / Medicine
Just over three years ago I started to get aches in my joints. Some here, some there, and after a few months it was pretty much in every joint. It finally got to the point I went to see a doctor about it. He said I was just getting old.
A year went by and I could hardly put on my clothes with out alot of pain, try tucking in a shirt or putting on a hat raising your arms when every joint feels like it aint been greased for years!
I had been smokin pot for many decades and never even thought of it as medicine, other than a relaxer from the world, kinda like drinkin. Well, a friend was doing some research on U tube and told me about eatin the stuff, so I did some research.
Now I had been growing some pretty good smoke for over 20 years by then and learned that I could make what is called kief real easy like. Kief is just uncompressed hashish, in it's powdered form, sose to speak. It is all the good parts, called tricolmbs, or sumptin like that, and yah just shake it through a 220 mesh screen bag with dry ice to freeze the stuff yah wants. Dont shake for moren a few (about three) mins or yah gets too much plant material in yer kief. I just use the trimmins from when I trim the buds.
Anyways yah scrapes that offen a big table top and eat a little bit every day. There are a bunch of U tubes about it. It dont make me "high" at all, but I haven't had a bit of arthritis for two years now. After all, it is a God given plant, or at least just a freakin plant. One that I am very grateful for now.
I know smoking it helps My rheumatological condition. Eases the pain down to a faint muffled roar.
Try making and eating the kief as I do, , WOW ! ! ! No discomfort and as the doctors at the VA say now, , DON"T STOP ! !
What a fantastic plant.
Quote from: Norval on February 04, 2014, 04:28:22 AM
Try making and eating the kief as I do, , WOW ! ! ! No discomfort and as the doctors at the VA say now, , DON"T STOP ! !
What a fantastic plant.
It's hard enough for Me to get any to smoke! I haven't have any for weeks now. And the effects of smoking are appreciated greatly.
uhmmmm well crappies, , , that is a fair piece of the bummers to say the least. Up here in WA state weuns can get it any ole time, , ;D
Quote from: Norval on February 04, 2014, 05:08:57 AM
uhmmmm well crappies, , , that is a fair piece of the bummers to say the least. Up here in WA state weuns can get it any ole time, , ;D
Right along with the Fukushima fallout, eh?
I was a regular t drinker and here in the last few months.ive gotten to drinking coolaid .well thats when the authritis starded kicking in.so now in moderation and back to my tea.
Yea amy is not a green thumb.
My personal stash is low too.texas can really suck some times and also lots of dealers have gone out of business lately.so patiently waiting for spring.at least then i will have some shake to hold me over till fall.
thanks for the advice about kief norval.
Got a torn rotator cuff im physical therapying myself right now.
Does it remove the arthritis or just the pain?
arggghhh don't keep reminding me of that "glowing" problem. :'(
Yes, the keif method of extraction and using it as an edible saves time and effort.
To me, ArMaP, it felt like someone greased all my joints. I have never thought pot was such a good pain reliever, but its qualities for causing the body to try and repair it's self seems to be the real thing. It has caused me to enjoy better health in other ways also that surprised me.
There are many good Utubes, and some not so good, to watch and learn all you can.
Yea, If it weren't for the herb I woulda snuffed it a long time ago.
Our British Metro Paper published a story two days ago in which it was stated a coroner ruled the death of a young mother down to "Cannabis Poisening"...... with the word PROOF splattered everywhere....
Surprise surprise, I and the rest of the UK read the whole article and noticed it was missing something.....
Like the PROOF! lol
They didnt even use any technical terms... Just 'Cannabis Poisening" .. Pshhhtt .
Gotta love propaganda, Sinny. To date NO ONE has died from cannabis. "Proof" (or lack thereof) not withstanding.
Does it count when someone smoking pot kills other people because they are too high to pay attention?
Just asking [smile]
The Poppy Plant
It too has many uses and looks pretty in the garden...
It too has MANY medicinal purposes that have been proven and are in common use albeit via prescription...
Maybe we should just let people smoke that at will too
;D
::)
The cause for medical marijauna is a good and just cause...
The cause for Hemp as a fibre crop is a good and just cause...
However most people supporting this cause only care because they want to smoke it to get high :P (I did say most :P )
This was proven when Colorado opened doors to sales. The millions of dollars taken in was not from those seeking medical benefits, but those wanting to get high :P
Usually the older generation has a problem with getting high on pot but dont have a problem getting high on caffeine.now some would say folks dont get high on caffeine but thats because caffiene is in a lot of products .because of this we dont dont recognize it in our body.like we do pot.if caffiene was removed and was a ritual like smoking pot is a ritual.we would be getting high on caffiene.
I for one smoke so much that there are times that i dont even feel high.just feel and act normal.
Im all for judging folks for injuries from pot if we also judge people for being high on caffeine.computerrs .sugar .stupidity.water.sex.anger.religion.politics.
Or we can forgive and move on.
Quote from: zorgon on February 04, 2014, 08:24:32 PM
However most people supporting this cause only care because they want to smoke it to get high :P (I did say most :P )
This was proven when Colorado opened doors to sales. The millions of dollars taken in was not from those seeking medical benefits, but those wanting to get high :P
If it appeases Big Brother, they could always regulate it with warning label:
"Warning side effects include: emotions of love and oneness, those with a an IQ 140 or above should avoid as may cause thought loop...Do not mix with Alcohol".
;D
Quote from: robomont on February 04, 2014, 09:05:14 PM
Im all for judging folks for injuries from pot if we also judge people for being high on caffeine.computerrs .sugar .stupidity.water.sex.anger.religion.politics.
Or we can forgive and move on.
Bingo.
Quote from: robomont on February 04, 2014, 09:05:14 PM
Usually the older generation has a problem with getting high on pot but dont have a problem getting high on caffeine.
I don't know if I am part of that "older generation" (I'm less than two months away from being 51) but I have a problem with people being "high" on whatever, caffeine included. :)
Why ?are you an excessive control freak that expects nobody to ever be happy.how about adrenaline highs from doing scary stuff.are you agains that too?what a dull life some folks have.just living in a sheltered bubble.basically afraid of living?
Quote from: robomont on February 05, 2014, 12:36:20 AM
Why ?are you an excessive control freak that expects nobody to ever be happy.how about adrenaline highs from doing scary stuff.are you agains that too?what a dull life some folks have.just living in a sheltered bubble.basically afraid of living?
No, I just hate lies, specially when people lie to themselves, either by hiding from the truth in a drunken stupor or by trying to create a "more interesting" truth by doing things that make them high on adrenaline.
Here is your POT FOR ENTERTAINMENT thread,,
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6153.msg85322;topicseen#new
How about transferring to the new thread everything from post #11 on , please :)
Yes armap.i too hate lies.
Quote from: zorgon on February 04, 2014, 08:13:20 PM
Does it count when someone smoking pot kills other people because they are too high to pay attention?
Just asking [smile]
Rarely happens, it turns out. For every one that does happen, maybe 500,000 happen for alcohol, and maybe 100,000 happen from too little sleep, I would wager.
Quote from: zorgon on February 04, 2014, 08:24:32 PM
However most people supporting this cause only care because they want to smoke it to get high :P (I did say most :P )
This was proven when Colorado opened doors to sales. The millions of dollars taken in was not from those seeking medical benefits, but those wanting to get high :P
Heh. "Just wanting to get high" = wanting to treat stress. What's wrong with that? The "just wanting to get high" is a propaganda line.
Quote from: ArMaP on February 04, 2014, 11:31:26 PM
I don't know if I am part of that "older generation" (I'm less than two months away from being 51) but I have a problem with people being "high" on whatever, caffeine included. :)
What skin off YOUR nose is it what Others do if they are not creating harm?
Quote from: Amaterasu on February 05, 2014, 04:52:08 AM
What skin off YOUR nose is it what Others do if they are not creating harm?
What skin of your nose is it that I have this opinion? ;)
Quote from: ArMaP on February 04, 2014, 11:31:26 PM
I don't know if I am part of that "older generation" (I'm less than two months away from being 51) but I have a problem with people being "high" on whatever, caffeine included. :)
Im glad most of the best rock n roll musisians had no problems (using) it :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J10w3FuCwfQ
in another side of the coin....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baeT3g7udho
oh... its the same side again ;D
No matter what people say about marijuana... The only problem the gov had about it was that it was not a taxed drug. You know, as it is a plant people would inevitably plant it for their own consum.
As for me... Im ok with people doing their stuff IF it does not prejudice somebody else.
PS.. I think Bill Hicks AWESOME. Ahead of his time.
Quote from: Amaterasu on February 05, 2014, 04:49:50 AM
The "just wanting to get high" is a propaganda line.
Gold ;D
Quote from: ArMaP on February 05, 2014, 09:18:18 AM
What skin of your nose is it that I have this opinion? ;)
Oh. As long as it's Your opinion and You would not force Others to comply with Your opinion should You have the chance to do so - all is cool, ArMaP.
EDIT to add: You DID say You "had a problem" with the choices of Others to treat stress and so on. Thus My question. I was trying to find out what problem for YOU They were creating.
If we frown upon people drinking specifically to get drunk, then we frown upon people smoking specifically to get high. The two cannot be seperated.
Quote from: WarToad on February 05, 2014, 04:05:47 PM
If we frown upon people drinking specifically to get drunk, then we frown upon people smoking specifically to get high. The two cannot be seperated.
Wrong. People don't drink specifically to get drunk, per se. They get drunk to treat stress. It's a poor treatment choice in My view, as treating with cannabis is far better. Instead of killing neurons with alcohol, One can generate neurons with cannabis. Instead of blacking out, One can merely see new perspectives. Instead of depleting B vitamins, One can treat high blood pressure, depression, anorexia, nausea, stress, glaucoma, cancer, Alzheimer's, multiple sclerosis, and more. So there's a BIG separation.
BUT... I would never tell another They CAN'T choose alcohol, as long as They do not choose harm or behavior that stands a high probability of creating harm. It's THEIR body, over which They have 100% right to do with as They choose, within the parameters of doing no harm to Others' bodies and property.
Quote from: WarToad on February 05, 2014, 04:05:47 PM
If we frown upon people drinking specifically to get drunk, then we frown upon people smoking specifically to get high. The two cannot be seperated.
Well, personally I don't know why anyone would drink if they didn't want some level of 'merryness', if that was the case all those 'I drink but don't get drunk' peeps would stick to softs.
Disregarding the 'wierdos' who dedicate their lives to tasting grapes.
Quote from: Amaterasu on February 05, 2014, 03:56:41 PM
Oh. As long as it's Your opinion and You would not force Others to comply with Your opinion should You have the chance to do so - all is cool, ArMaP.
How could I enforce others to comply with any thing? I cannot even make the smokers around me stop smoking, even when they know that they are making my life worse than it should be.
QuoteYou DID say You "had a problem" with the choices of Others to treat stress and so on. Thus My question. I was trying to find out what problem for YOU They were creating.
I said it that way because it was an answer to "the older generation has a problem" sentence, my answer shouldn't be understood as an isolated statement. :)
As a medicine you may understand what this thread is about, , , ::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0psJhQHk_GI
Quote from: ArMaP on February 06, 2014, 01:26:27 AM
How could I enforce others to comply with any thing? I cannot even make the smokers around me stop smoking, even when they know that they are making my life worse than it should be.
I did say "if You had a chance to..." IF You had a chance to, would You force all People who regularly consume caffeine to cease? If not, all is good. [smile]
QuoteI said it that way because it was an answer to "the older generation has a problem" sentence, my answer shouldn't be understood as an isolated statement. :)
Fair enough.
Quote from: Amaterasu on February 06, 2014, 03:20:46 AM
I did say "if You had a chance to..." IF You had a chance to, would You force all People who regularly consume caffeine to cease?
To be honest, I don't know what I would do, but I like to think that I wouldn't do it. :)
Quote from: Sinny on February 05, 2014, 07:55:54 PM
Well, personally I don't know why anyone would drink if they didn't want some level of 'merryness', if that was the case all those 'I drink but don't get drunk' peeps would stick to softs.
Disregarding the 'wierdos' who dedicate their lives to tasting grapes.
Hey what happened to your face? [avater]
Now, just maybe some people can drink something because they like the taste? I like to have a beer with Pizza and a glass of wine with a steak. When you get older you will understand. When I was your age I went out to party as often as I could. But maybe I will look into getting a bottle holder and bong for my walker. lol.
Ouch on the wierdos tasting grapes, maybe you have never had the good stuff. Come on over, we'll go bottle for bottle on the good stuff, I'll buy, see who is last standing......
Deuem
Quote from: deuem on February 06, 2014, 12:28:07 PM
Hey what happened to your face? [avater]
Got sick of looking at it aha. ;D
QuoteNow, just maybe some people can drink something because they like the taste?
Agreed, but we live in a world where tastes can be recreated without the alcoholic touch :P
QuoteOuch on the wierdos tasting grapes
I wondered who'd be offended by that aha.. I'd apologise, but it's my personal perception.
I literally meant 'Those who dedicate'.... You know those pompous types that will frown upon you if you cannot tell which sort of wine your drinking without looking at the label lol.
QuoteMaybe you have never had the good stuff.
I can honestly say without a doubt each an every wine I've tasted (Lets guess at about 10 different sorts), all taste vile in my opinion, like flat cider - I'm a larger bird myself.
QuoteCome on over, we'll go bottle for bottle on the good stuff, I'll buy, see who is last standing......
Deuem
Sounds good to me - That book signing followed by drinks with Deuem ;D
For all the Bible Thumpers out here, , , ,
Marijuana in the Bible ! ! !
http://www.equalrights4all.org/religious/bible.htm
Don't smoke and drive, kids.
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20140204/fatal-car-crashes-involving-pot-use-have-tripled-in-us-study-finds
Quote
Fatal Car Crashes Involving Pot Use Have Tripled in U.S., Study Finds
Researchers note that increase included men and women, and all age groups
TUESDAY, Feb. 4, 2014 (HealthDay News) -- The legalization of marijuana is an idea that is gaining momentum in the United States, but there may be a dark side to pot becoming more commonplace, a new study suggests.
Fatal crashes involving marijuana use tripled during the previous decade, fueling some of the overall increase in drugged-driving traffic deaths, researchers from Columbia University's Mailman School of Public Health report.
"Currently, one of nine drivers involved in fatal crashes would test positive for marijuana," said co-author Dr. Guohua Li, director of the Center for Injury Epidemiology and Prevention at Columbia. "If this trend continues, in five or six years non-alcohol drugs will overtake alcohol to become the most common substance involved in deaths related to impaired driving."
The research team drew its conclusions from crash statistics from six states that routinely perform toxicology tests on drivers involved in fatal car wrecks -- California, Hawaii, Illinois, New Hampshire, Rhode Island and West Virginia. The statistics included more than 23,500 drivers who died within one hour of a crash between 1999 and 2010.
Quote from: WarToad on February 06, 2014, 03:36:30 PM
Don't smoke and drive, kids.
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20140204/fatal-car-crashes-involving-pot-use-have-tripled-in-us-study-finds
Damn armature pot smokers, , just as bad as armature drunkards, , , , except it somewhat difficult to do any damage driving at 5 mph. ;D
The legalization of pot is pretty inevitable. There just needs to be an education of the public that it will be treated no different than alcohol or any other chemical that makes you a danger on the road to yourself and others. Common sense.
Quote from: WarToad on February 06, 2014, 03:36:30 PM
Don't smoke and drive, kids.
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20140204/fatal-car-crashes-involving-pot-use-have-tripled-in-us-study-finds
And We all know that all studies are true, right? ::)
Meanwhile, a rather large, unsung number of studies show that cannabis does NOT create significant issues.
http://norml.org/library/item/marijuana-and-driving-a-review-of-the-scientific-evidence
http://www.4autoinsurancequote.com/uncategorized/reasons-why-marijuana-users-are-safe-drivers/
http://healthland.time.com/2011/12/02/why-medical-marijuana-laws-reduce-traffic-deaths/
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2010/jun/04/marijuana_study_finds_minimal_ch
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2722956/
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/Files/Books/General/Cannabis%20And%20Cannabinoids%20-%20Pharmacology,Toxicology%20And%20Therapy.pdf
http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/SEN/Committee/371/ille/rep/repfinalvol3-e.htm
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Misc/driving/s1p2.htm
http://epirev.oxfordjournals.org/content/21/2/222.full.pdf
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_driving4.shtml
You don't suppose there is any agenda in claiming cannabis causes car crashes, do You?
EDIT to add: WebMD was taken over years ago and is a mouthpiece for propaganda. I take EVERYTHING from there with a HUGE grain of salt.
I think it's good common sense that being either stoned or drunk is an issue with driving. To defend otherwise is intellectually dishonest at the least, or you are personally vested in your own chemical issue. And your links LOL, no vested interest in some of those, eh?
(http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a572/paparumbo/georgedriving4_zps6c0d88c7.gif)
I don't know about the rest of yea but I don't want my airplane pilot stoned or drunk, neither do I want my taxi driver to be that way. I don't care how many reports are posted. come on. No heavy equipment or dangerous toys. Maybe if someone gets stoned everyday they get used to it but what about the once a month people. I have seen people so stoned they don't even know where they are. Do you really want them driving out there at 5mph and stopping at every 7-11.
Deuem
Quote from: WarToad on February 06, 2014, 05:47:25 PM
I think it's good common sense that being either stoned or drunk is an issue with driving. To defend otherwise is intellectually dishonest at the least, or you are personally vested in your own chemical issue. And your links LOL, no vested interest in some of those, eh?
Ah. It's common sense to ignore vast scientific evidence. Ok. [shrug] Guess I'm "dishonest" for taking the data given and extrapolating.
Turns out that most users of cannabis drive. While under the influence. And have for many decades. 100's of thousands daily. No major issues. The implication that legalizing it has created a huge upswing in lethal accidents is absurd. Few users were added with the legalization, as most users used anyway when it was "illegal."
But I guess if You want to believe this propaganda piece, no skin off My nose.
Quote from: deuem on February 06, 2014, 06:00:36 PM
I don't know about the rest of yea but I don't want my airplane pilot stoned or drunk, neither do I want my taxi driver to be that way. I don't care how many reports are posted. come on. No heavy equipment or dangerous toys. Maybe if someone gets stoned everyday they get used to it but what about the once a month people. I have seen people so stoned they don't even know where they are. Do you really want them driving out there at 5mph and stopping at every 7-11.
Deuem
Novice users indeed need to use caution. "Do not drive until You know how this medication will affect You." And surely dangerous jobs should not be undertaken... But I will bet that MANY more pilots and cab drivers are users than You might think... (Pilots less than cabbies, though. They get drug tested.)
Quote from: Amaterasu on February 06, 2014, 06:06:44 PM
Turns out that most users of cannabis drive. While under the influence. And have for many decades. 100's of thousands daily. No major issues.
The same can be said about alcohol.
Quote from: ArMaP on February 06, 2014, 09:22:16 PM
The same can be said about alcohol.
Drugs and driving do not mix. Bad news most of the time.
Its about generating new money from dui.they are trying to generate support for more inforcement.checkpoints etc.when in reallity me and the crew i was with would actually cheech out in our trucks going down the highway on long trips.almost every job was a hundred plus miles away.some took as much as a two days to get to.stoned the whole way.never had a wreck in twenty years that was drivers fault or companies fault.then as a air conditioning tech i stayed stoned all day servicing units.only had to go back to three jobs in five years.so i can vouch for what i know and that is that the cops just want more of that easy drug money like junkies themselves.
Quote from: robomont on February 06, 2014, 09:38:51 PM
Its about generating new money from dui.they are trying to generate support for more inforcement.checkpoints etc.when in reallity me and the crew i was with would actually cheech out in our trucks going down the highway on long trips.almost every job was a hundred plus miles away.some took as much as a two days to get to.stoned the whole way.never had a wreck in twenty years that was drivers fault or companies fault.then as a air conditioning tech i stayed stoned all day servicing units.only had to go back to three jobs in five years.so i can vouch for what i know and that is that the cops just want more of that easy drug money like junkies themselves.
The problem i see is that with different people, we may have different results. Think about how you would feel if someone run over someone you care about when using some substance?
It all comes down to abuse
Alcohol consumed by millions has no effects, its the abusers that cause the problems. I drink, not so much these days but used to chug that rum LOL
Never drove drunk, never killed anyone
But I have also seen those that smoke pot way back in high school and recently at work n the Convention business
It is not the recreational smokers doing it on their free time that are an issue, though I do want to see controls of SECOND HAND Smoke like they do on cigarettes
It is those that go to work smoking pot on breaks that is the problem
Anyone that says otherwise is just LYING to themselves when they say that these people are alert BULLSH!T
Quote from: RUSSO on February 06, 2014, 09:44:54 PM
The problem i see is that with different people, we may have different results. Think about how you would feel if someone run over someone you care about when using some substance?
Yes it has happened in Vegas Forklift operators smoking pot have killed people. GES had enough money to keep it out of the local papers
Legalize it... make big bucks on it no problem for me...
But ENFORCE at work and driving under the influence
and keep your damn smoke to yourself
Had a house of the street 3 doors down. They had a pot party of gang members. You could smell the weed INSIDE my house 3 doors down
I think next time I will toss stink bombs at them :P
The cops rousted them (didn't arrest anyone just sent them home :P )
I have rights too and I don't want to breathe your Feelthy noxious fumes :P
Guy across the street has to smoke outside his own house... Butts all over the road
Why do smokers think they can just toss their butts anywhere they choose? Wind blows them into my garden
FEELTHY ANIMALS :P
Beware Zorgon's stink bomb retaliation :D
Quote from: zorgon on February 06, 2014, 09:52:22 PM
FEELTHY ANIMALS :P
Beware Zorgon's stink bomb retaliation :D
Hummm, i feel some kind of repressed desire here Z ;D
But seriously ...
Recreational drugs should be used in peaceful places, respecting the limits of individuality. Thats what common sense is. Honestly, the evil of the century seems to be the lack of it.
People grow up to act like spoiled children.
Funny thing is that these people do not realize that the freedom they received is being attacked by themselves.
Quote from: ArMaP on February 06, 2014, 09:22:16 PM
The same can be said about alcohol.
And the evidence that alcohol use, NOVICE OR NOT, adversely affects driving is widespread. The only evidence that non-novice users of cannabis have any issues are a few propaganda pieces. Meanwhile, 20 year studies and other studies are showing no such issues. Period.
Quote from: RUSSO on February 06, 2014, 09:44:54 PM
The problem i see is that with different people, we may have different results. Think about how you would feel if someone run over someone you care about when using some substance?
Same as I would feel if They were sober - which happens with slightly more frequency than with People using cannabis (statistically the same, as the difference is statistically insignificant).
Quote from: Amaterasu on February 06, 2014, 10:47:48 PM
Same as I would feel if They were sober - which happens with slightly more frequency than with People using cannabis (statistically the same, as the difference is statistically insignificant).
Statistically speaking.. You really think that there is so many people in the world that drives under effect of marijuana? Accidents happens, yes. But when people are under effect of drugs, it happens even more. And is hard call it an accident if you are drugged, increasing the risk to cause a disaster.
QuoteIn their review of driving simulator studies, Kelly and colleagues17 concluded that there is evidence of dose-dependent impairments in marijuana-affected individuals' ability to control a vehicle in the areas of steering, headway control, speed variability, car following, reaction time and lane positioning. They noted, however, that the levels of impairment detected in simulator studies did not appear to replicate those found in laboratory studies, and speculated that this may be due to the marijuana-affected participants consciously compensating for their impairments. Nonetheless, it should be acknowledged that "even in those who learn to compensate for a drug's impairing effects, substantial impairment in performance can still be observed under conditions of general task performance (i.e. when no contingencies are present to maintain compensated performance." (p. 176).22 - See more at: http://adai.uw.edu/marijuana/factsheets/driving.htm#sthash.cHrT1ygA.dpuf
http://adai.uw.edu/marijuana/factsheets/driving.htm (http://adai.uw.edu/marijuana/factsheets/driving.htm)
Quote from: RUSSO on February 06, 2014, 11:58:22 PM
Statistically speaking.. You really think that there is so many people in the world that drives under effect of marijuana?
Yes.
Quote from: Amaterasu on February 07, 2014, 12:48:07 AM
Yes.
::)
So, there is no discussion with you anymore. It would be stupid continue. End line for me.
Quote from: Amaterasu on February 06, 2014, 10:47:48 PM
Same as I would feel if They were sober - which happens with slightly more frequency than with People using cannabis (statistically the same, as the difference is statistically insignificant).
I guess the how do you feel question is the same if someone dies. Rather they are sober or high the person is dead! What happens to the driver depends on the reason of the death in most places.
But what I don't understand is the quote that "statistically the numbers are the same"?
Driving a car drunk, sober or high is not the same. They are 3 different styles and reactions.
If 100 people run over other people then what do the numbers say?
49% drunk
25% high
25% sober
1% stupid
Something like that?
Confused Deuem
I'm confused to, I'm not sure what the debate is.
If the debate is whether driving under the influence is okay.. well no its not.
End of debate,
whats all this hoopla?
Quote from: Sinny on February 07, 2014, 01:36:06 PM
I'm confused to, I'm not sure what the debate is.
If the debate is whether driving under the influence is okay.. well no its not.
End of debate,
whats all this hoopla?
Amaterasu defending her pot use as healthy and completely different from alcohol use in regards to driving. ::)
Just wondering, would this be right?
Glass of wine = 1 shot = 1 beer = 1 puff
Who smokes and stops at 1 puff, anyone? Never seen that happen even once.
Ok so times this by say 8 and where are you? [8 tokes a joint ?]
Some of us can just drink 1 beer/wine with dinner and stop, some can't
So are we judging 1 beer against 8 puffs? Then I drive with the 1 beer car
If 8 beers, then I drive with the 8 puffs car. I think it would be safer.
If it were 1 beer or 1 puff it might be equal.
Am I right or wrong here?
Does pot help in a lot of medical cases, YES, does everyone who smokes have medical problems, maybe 1 to 3%
People like getting high, case closed. It is safer for the body than drinking, I agree. It is very dangerous for most 7-11 stores.
D
My understanding is there can be a fair amount of variation in the THC content among the different breeds of marijuana. On average I believe it's around 8% now. I don't however know of anyway or any study showing where 1 ml pure ethol alcohol is equivelent to X mg THC. Kind of a tough compairison for equivalent quantities.
I drive high all the time.the effects level off .thc content doesnt matter after two days of same type.the receptors in the brain max out.
Only if you smoke regularly will your comments be takin seriously.speculation does not give this plant the honor it deserves.amy knows what i say is true.the rest yall have posted is mostly regurgitated propaganda.
Not trying to be insulting but i feel almost insulted by the ignorance.just as we dont take the msm seriously.
I have 20years of apmost full time experience.averaging a half lb a month.i have my own custom built bong that i engineered.my own style filter screen like no other on the market.i have never been busted for cultivation yet i grow more pot than anybody in east texas and cornered the market in a town of 80,000peeps one time.lol
Or maybe im full of it.my reputation on this site should prove my credibility.
WOW Robo, , grins, and I thought I used to be a heavy toker! Yer pretty much right on with what you say. Those of us that KNOW from experience are still waiting for the idiots to get a viable test of Too High. ;D
Quote from: RUSSO on February 07, 2014, 08:41:04 AM
::)
So, there is no discussion with you anymore. It would be stupid continue. End line for me.
You asked a question. I answered it. Geez. What more do You want?
Quote from: WarToad on February 07, 2014, 02:08:41 PM
Amaterasu defending her pot use as healthy and completely different from alcohol use in regards to driving. ::)
Uh... Yeah I will defend WITH STUDIES AND MANY OF THEM the use of cannabis by ANYONE. And the use by EXPERIENCED users while driving based on these MANY studies.
Geez. Ignore the data and cling to Your views, however erroneous.
Quote from: deuem on February 07, 2014, 04:10:03 PM
Just wondering, would this be right?
Glass of wine = 1 shot = 1 beer = 1 puff
No, and here's why: the effects are completely different. One "puff" has no "equivalent."
Quote from: Amaterasu on February 07, 2014, 08:36:16 PM
Uh... Yeah I will defend WITH STUDIES AND MANY OF THEM the use of cannabis by ANYONE. And the use by EXPERIENCED users while driving based on these MANY studies.
Geez. Ignore the data and cling to Your views, however erroneous.
I'm with RUSSO. This is a pointless juvenile thread of no value. Out.
Quote from: WarToad on February 07, 2014, 08:47:55 PM
I'm with RUSSO. This is a pointless juvenile thread of no value. Out.
Spoken like a true open minded One.
I would like to get back into the percentage of car crashes.
Before I wrote Out of a hundred crashes
49 drunk
25 regular
25 high
1 stupid
Ok, Say the percentages of high and normal are equal and I buy that. Now what happens if
All people stop drunk driving, 50 crashes don't happen,
then we have
25 regular
25 high
1 stupid
Now we remove the high drivers and
25 regular
1 stupid
Reteach all the regular drivers how to drive again, Which they do here if you get in a crash.
and we are then left with stupid.
Stupid wins out in the end but 49+25+25 are turned around.
If you are caught driving here high or drunk you go to jail, don't pass go and lose your licence.
Many sober people now driving watching out for stupid.
By saying that the odds are the same and condoning high driving is accepting the fact to let them crash because the odds are the same? That I don't understand. If drunk driving odds were the same then we should condone them also?
What about a drunk, high, stupid driver? I'm turning around.
Deuem
Quote from: deuem on February 08, 2014, 05:03:48 AM
What about a drunk, high, stupid driver? I'm turning around.
Deuem
, , , and the OP only wanted to discuss the MEDICINAL aspects, , not the ignorant and uninformed aspects of getting "high" on your medicine.
sheeeeeeeeesssssssshhhhhh peeps, , its a freakin PLANT ! :P
Your theory on stats is wrong.stupid beats out all at probly 75% alchohol24% health issues like heart attack and stroke1% pot would be maybe .01%.yea i know thats 100.01 percent.lol.
Stupid would include animals in road which is really high around here.been here 13years.one mule.one bobcat.twenty wild pigs.five deer.one bull.and thats just my friends and acquaintences.i bet its twenty times that or more .then the illegals are about fifty percent because they dont know how to drive on wet or frozen roads.pot smokers drive slower than average and do better on driving skills test.there are videos of it out there using professional race car drivers.
The true fact is there are a group of people out there that no amount of evidence would work because it goes against the financial interest of the police state.legalization without taxation woul literally bankrupts some county sheriffs departments.they are dependent upon the drug money.basically junkies for money.
Yes it is a plant and in the right hands a very effective one that grows in nature that will help cure a lot of mans problems. I think that has been proven by many and faught by prama. they are loosing that battle.
The thread took a turn when the qustion was posed rather it is safe to be on this med and drive or operate machinery. No different than if one was on codine, what should they do or not do is where the thread went. All meds react different on different people. How should the world act on this one?There is a DUI law, should there be a HUI law or should the world let people out there high as a kite with 2 ton tanks running over people.
Yes there are some people that can drive better when high and some people that can drive while drunk. But what about the ones that can't. Do you want your loved one run over by someone that is on this med and so high they can't focus on the street. oops and it is accepted. I have seen some people so stoned they can't even find their car let alone drive it. Drunk the same.
To use these as meds is Ok with me. But most people want to just get high and have fun, no medical problems at all. Where do you draw the line or do you have no line and all is open?
Ever play clap clap slap in a bar with friends. Now try it when high. You will lose all the time.
Deuem
I cant believe we are diff on this one deuem.how many times you ever been high on pot.? you really cant drive on it.i know nobody that actually gets that stoned.only on tv which exagerates the effects.it can makes sleepy but we dont arrest people for being sleepy and driving even though alot of highway accidents are for just that reason.probly ten percent.
Quote from: robomont on February 08, 2014, 05:37:35 AM
I cant believe we are diff on this one deuem.how many times you ever been high on pot.? you really cant drive on it.i know nobody that actually gets that stoned.only on tv which exagerates the effects.it can makes sleepy but we dont arrest people for being sleepy and driving even though alot of highway accidents are for just that reason.probly ten percent.
As you know there is nothing here to try and the people that bring it in are never heard of again so the laws are pretty tough on it. I know people can drive on it. It all depends on who those people are. If someone smokes all the time it would be a lot better for them. If a never smoked before person lights up a really good J and then tries to drive they will have problems.
I am not against what you do in any manner and maybe some day I will visit you and we can practice driving. Do you have a 7-11? If so, we are on. I am not against the use of any natural plant for meds. They are here to use when needed.
The only question is rather socity should regulate at all what is normal when you are in socity. I have been in some countries where all people just pee on the street and other countries where you would get arrested for that. This is one of those cases. What should be accepted and what should not.
The percentages were not based on anything Robo, just for talking. And I also think stupid would win that race.
Deuem
I'd like to conclude, following from my previous post.
Driving under the influence should be against the law, this is to eliminate variables and increase safety for all, much like Buchanans theory of traffic segregation.
Having said that, rules are there to be broken, much like Mondermans 'Shared Space' concepts, humans will inevitably have to interact and negotiate when there are no prescribe rules (or rules that are broken), personally 50% of the drivers I know break these rules..Some can without much worry, others can't and are dangerous.
Attempting to implement my Uni studies ;) ;D
Quote from: deuem on February 08, 2014, 05:50:21 AM
The percentages were not based on anything Robo, just for talking.
Unfortunately, you are the only one that admits it. :)
I can admit the figures are made up guessimations if yall will admit americans come from a better position to know since we travel on average way more miles from less congested roads.so have way more driving experience.so should know better what it takes to be a capable driver.
Quote from: robomont on February 08, 2014, 01:20:51 PM
I can admit the figures are made up guessimations if yall will admit americans come from a better position to know since we travel on average way more miles from less congested roads.so have way more driving experience.so should know better what it takes to be a capable driver.
That's not admitting, that's blackmail. :P
Quote from: robomont on February 08, 2014, 01:20:51 PM
I can admit the figures are made up guessimations if yall will admit americans come from a better position to know since we travel on average way more miles from less congested roads.so have way more driving experience.so should know better what it takes to be a capable driver.
You should see the new highways here, most of them were designed by students that were educated in the USA. They are fantastic to drive. At night they light up somehow and you can almost drive with out your lights on. If I click on my high beams I can see for miles.
Being a capable driver relates to what training you have had and a certain amount of intelligence. Stupid drivers are all over the world. Even here [at the moment we have more than our share] I think that driving on conjested roads is more taxing on myself. I have told my wife I want to sell the SUV because it is too large for the city traffic and too slow to turn. So I drive with caution everywhere.
Deuem
There are far too many RULES as it is in this world.
As most seem to not pay any attention to even the most basic of rules, I guess making more is the answer. ::)
Try and make people be RESPONSIBLE instead, , , , FOCLMFAO
I'll be over there >>>> having a couple of tokes and laughing at all these road apples being tossed about. ;D
Quote from: deuem on February 08, 2014, 05:03:48 AM
I would like to get back into the percentage of car crashes.
Before I wrote Out of a hundred crashes
49 drunk
25 regular
25 high
1 stupid
Ok, Say the percentages of high and normal are equal and I buy that. Now what happens if
All people stop drunk driving, 50 crashes don't happen,
then we have
25 regular
25 high
1 stupid
Now we remove the high drivers and
25 regular
1 stupid
Reteach all the regular drivers how to drive again, Which they do here if you get in a crash.
and we are then left with stupid.
Stupid wins out in the end but 49+25+25 are turned around.
If you are caught driving here high or drunk you go to jail, don't pass go and lose your licence.
Many sober people now driving watching out for stupid.
By saying that the odds are the same and condoning high driving is accepting the fact to let them crash because the odds are the same? That I don't understand. If drunk driving odds were the same then we should condone them also?
What about a drunk, high, stupid driver? I'm turning around.
Deuem
You have a fallacy there. Whether People are using cannabis or not, They will have the same number of accidents. So just stopping the use of cannabis will not change the percentages. It will go to 50% "regular."
Quote from: Norval on February 08, 2014, 03:36:06 PM
There are far too many RULES as it is in this world.
As most seem to not pay any attention to even the most basic of rules, I guess making more is the answer. ::)
Try and make people be RESPONSIBLE instead, , , , FOCLMFAO
I'll be over there >>>> having a couple of tokes and laughing at all these road apples being tossed about. ;D
Bit off topic, but, though I'm familiar with LMAO, ROTFLMAO, and a few others... What is FOCLMAO?
Quote from: Amaterasu on February 08, 2014, 05:42:38 PM
Bit off topic, but, though I'm familiar with LMAO, ROTFLMAO, and a few others... What is FOCLMAO?
What's an off topic among friends (and many other off topics)? :)
I think it means "Falling Off Chair Laughing My Ass Out".
Quote from: ArMaP on February 08, 2014, 06:28:52 PM
What's an off topic among friends (and many other off topics)? :)
I think it means "Falling Off Chair Laughing My Ass Out".
That more likely means "Falling Off Chair Laughing My Ass OFF". I mean, LMAO means "Laughing My Ass Off..." But thanks, ArMaP. Clarifies "FOC."
Quote from: Norval on February 08, 2014, 03:36:06 PM
snip
I'll be over there >>>> having a couple of tokes and laughing at all these road apples being tossed about. ;D
Guess it is my turn to rant.
Why do you keep tossing out these little jabs that your way is best and insult the crew here. Maybe those couple of tokes are hitting harder that I thought.. You seem to be an expert in blanklet statements with ZERO to back them up. Please come up with some good honest statements and people will read them. I like apples, toss some more...Apple pie for Deuem tonight..
You are the hardest person for me to read on Peggy.
Deuem
Quote from: robomont on February 08, 2014, 05:37:35 AM
you really cant drive on it.i know nobody that actually gets that stoned.
I see many that smoke and drive here... granted none as stoned as Cheech and Chong :P but then many drive after drinking not quite drunk just IMPAIRED so reaction time is reduced. You could like drive a lifetime and never get an accident but if you get into a situation that requires you to be quick to react THAT is whern it makes a difference. Those percentages forget to account for the fact that alchohol is legal, pot is not, so use of A over P is going to be higher :P
Quoteonly on tv which exagerates the effects.it can makes sleepy but we dont arrest people for being sleepy and driving even though alot of highway accidents are for just that reason.probly ten percent.
The effects I have seen with people on pot is that time slows down for them, not the same effect as drinking. And yeah they can arrest people for being tired if they are weaving all over the road. You just don't hear about those as much and it is usually processed as "Reckless Driving" rather than a DUI :D
Quote from: Amaterasu on February 08, 2014, 05:42:38 PM
Bit off topic, but, though I'm familiar with LMAO, ROTFLMAO, and a few others... What is FOCLMAO?
FOCROTFLMAO (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/lmao.gif)
Quote from: zorgon on February 09, 2014, 04:31:51 AM
FOCROTFLMAO (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/lmao.gif)
Falls Off Chair Rolling On Floor Laughing My Ass Off
Not too bad there Big Guy. ;D
Recreational Pot goes on sale here in Washington state the 8th of July ! ! !
It is said that the first legal stores are paying $4,000.00 a pound for it, and then adding on the 25% pot tax, and then sales taxes too, , hmmmm + their profit too, , ;)