I don't subscribe to the big bang and believe that black holes are actually an extension of space/time into another volume, another Universe. It's fluid dynamics, the ETHER is a superfluid and it's just like water going down the drain. It's the VORTEX and it's natures model, an ETHER VORTEX! It's torsion field physics and is also the model to achieve gravity modification and faster than light travel. Nature is showing us the way...always...
If Zilong Li and Cosimo Bambi of the Fudan University in Shanghai are correct, what we thought was a massive blackhole in the center of our galaxy could be a wormhole that would allow instantaneous travel between two points in space and time. In fact, it may be the gateway to a different universe.
They even go beyond that—their paper says that every supermassive black hole candidate in other galaxies can actually be wormholes created in the early Universe.
The supermassive black hole candidates at the center of every normal galaxy might be wormholes created in the early Universe and connecting either two different regions of our Universe or two different universes in a Multiverse model.
Their theory may sound fantastic, but it's not a completely crazy idea. Wormholes are allowed under the Theory of General Relativity. In fact, while they have never been observed, this hypothetical topological phenomenon of space-time was first postulated by Albert Einstein himself and his friend Nathan Rosen.
But while the equations indicate that they may exist—and, so far, General Relativity has been accurate in its predictions—we need to actually detect one to prove they exist.
Li and Bambi think this will be possible in a couple of years, when a new instrument called Gravity becomes operative at the Very Large Telescope Interferometer, the European Space Observatory located on the top of Cerro Paranal, 74.5 miles (120 kilometers) south of Antofagasta, Chile.
What we know is what is possible under Einstein's general relativity. The theoretical work says that
1) Wormholes can exist.
2) Wormholes would allow matter to travel faster than light (FTL) because, while objects passing through a wormhole would still move at sub-light speeds locally (therefore obeying Einstein's first commandment: Thou shall not travel faster than light!) they will go from one point of the universe to the other much faster than a beam of light traveling outside the wormhole, through regular space.
3) Wormholes would allow to travel in time. This is way too complex to explain here, but you can make your head explode at any time by reading this.
4) Wormholes may connect different universes, which ties with the idea of many parallel universes derived from quantum mechanics. This avoids any time paradox because,according to some recent theories, "a particle returning form the future [through a wormhole] does not return to its universe of origin but to a parallel universe." I know, Marty, my mind is collapsing into a tiny black hole right now.
This all means that we really don't have a clue about what may be happening yet when going through a wormhole. We just have a lot of equations that seem to work and, according to Zilong Li and Cosimo Bambi, the possibility of testing the existence of wormholes in the very near future using a new scientific instrument.
And that, my friends, is very exciting on its own, no matter what the final result is.
http://sploid.gizmodo.com/scientists-think-there-may-be-wormhole-in-the-center-of-1582831794/+jesusdiaz
(http://cdn.phys.org/newman/gfx/news/hires/2013/4-nasaschandra.jpg)
Cosmo
Now we just need to figure out how to travel 50,000 light years to the center of the galaxy. Or even 4 light years to the closest star, Alpha Centari. Or Mars. Or find flight 370.
Quote from: WarToad on May 29, 2014, 01:00:19 PM
Now we just need to figure out how to travel 50,000 light years to the center of the galaxy. Or even 4 light years to the closest star, Alpha Centari. Or Mars. Or find flight 370.
Quote from Ben Rich, former director of Lockheed Skunkworks:
1 : "Inside the Skunk Works (Lockheed's secret research and development entity), we were a small, intensely cohesive group consisting of about fifty veteran engineers and designers and a hundred or so expert machinists and shop workers. Our forte was building technologically advanced airplanes of small number and of high class for highly secret missions."
2 : "We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do."
3 : "We now have the technology to take ET home. No, it won't take someone's lifetime to do it. There is an error in the equations. We know what it is. We now have the capability to travel to the stars. First, you have to understand that we will not get to the stars using chemical propulsion. Second, we have to devise a new propulsion technology. What we have to do is find out where Einstein went wrong."
4 : When Rich was asked how UFO propulsion worked, he said, "Let me ask you. How does ESP work?" The questioner responded with, "All points in time and space are connected?" Rich then said, "That's how it works!"
Dr. Ben R. Rich former Lockheed Skunk Works director confirmed:
1. There are 2 types of UFOs -- the ones we build and ones 'they' build. We learned from both crash retrievals and actual "hand-me-downs." The Government knew and until 1969 took an active hand in the administration of that information. After a 1969 Nixon "purge", administration was handled by an international board of directors in the private sector...
2. Nearly all "biomorphic" aerospace designs were inspired by the Roswell spacecraft -- from Kelly's SR-71 Blackbird onward to today's drones, UCAVs, and aerospace craft...
3. It was Ben Rich's opinion that the public should not be told [about UFOs and extraterrestrials] . He believed they could not handle the truth -- ever. Only in the last months of his decline did he begin to feel that the "international corporate board of directors" dealing with the "Subject" could represent a bigger problem to citizens' personal freedoms under the United States Constitution than the presence of off-world visitors themselves."
Is it a coincidence that Townsend Brown worked for Vega Aircraft which became the Skunkworks? Or that Nick Cook speculated that Brown's electrogravitic technology had found it's way into the B2 bomber?
Is Col. Corso's story of Roswell and the reverse engineering of alien technology related?
What could it be that the government has been working on all these years?
Maybe this???
(http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_montauk/esp_fi5.gif)
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6359.msg88579#msg88579
Yes, everything is connected...in the ETHER!
Good luck on flight 370...
Cosmo
Quote from: COSMO on May 29, 2014, 01:52:54 PM
Quote from Ben Rich, former director of Lockheed Skunkworks:
2 : "We already have the means to travel among the stars,....
There is an error in the equations. .... we have to devise a new propulsion technology. What we have to do is find out where Einstein went wrong."
Thinking you know how to do something, and being able to do it are two different things. Dr. Rich's statements tell me it hasn't been done because they still haven't figured it out. They have the general concept, but lacking the critical details.
You are correct, Cosmo, as when a density of matter, or point of gravitational expression retreats into the night, everything follows however distant, into the whirlpool(vortex) created by it's relocation....so then...which side of the whirlpool are we on today?
Coming or going....or both at once?
My money is on both, hence the planar appearance of our galaxy, which seems not to be shaped as a whirlpool itself so much as a wet saw blade spinning at high angular velocity flinging off densities of itself into the fray, while absorbing other densities to relocate them on the other side of our two sided whirlpool.
And, each density slung off acts as its own vortex-like black hole, keeping the effect as well as the cause in constant motion, fractally speaking.
If it were one or the other..in or out, there would be a discernable cone shape to our galaxy as everything was either sucked in or spewed outward from the center..which there is not...balance defined as in certainin hermetic terminology.
Quote from: WarToad on May 29, 2014, 02:19:35 PM
Thinking you know how to do something, and being able to do it are two different things. Dr. Rich's statements tell me it hasn't been done because they still haven't figured it out. They have the general concept, but lacking the critical details.
Or maybe they DO have the details. Please check out the information in the ZP Final Cut link. I think it is accurate. Mark McClandlish is the person that put Nick Cook onto the story that became THE HUNT FOR ZERO POINT.
Cosmo
Oops...link to zp final cut thread...
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6359.msg88579#msg88579
Cosmo
Quote from: Littleenki on May 29, 2014, 02:29:53 PM
You are correct, Cosmo, as when a density of matter, or point of gravitational expression retreats into the night, everything follows however distant, into the whirlpool(vortex) created by it's relocation....so then...which side of the whirlpool are we on today?
Coming or going....or both at once?
My money is on both, hence the planar appearance of our galaxy, which seems not to be shaped as a whirlpool itself so much as a wet saw blade spinning at high angular velocity flinging off densities of itself into the fray, while absorbing other densities to relocate them on the other side of our two sided whirlpool.
And, each density slung off acts as its own vortex-like black hole, keeping the effect as well as the cause in constant motion, fractally speaking.
If it were one or the other..in or out, there would be a discernable cone shape to our galaxy as everything was either sucked in or spewed outward from the center..which there is not...balance defined as in certainin hermetic terminology.
Here's what we are seeing...
(http://i.space.com/images/i/000/027/300/i02/cosmic-microwave-background-cmb-130321d-02.jpg?1363876946)
I think the irregularity seen can be explained by the black hole universe theory. It could be caused by an influx of raw space time, the pre-matter form of creation. That would explain the inflation issue also. It would have been a faster than light expansion in the beginning because MOVEMENT OF ETHER IS ALWAYS SUPERLUMINAL...Sub Quantum Kinetics...
Here is another discovery that can be explained by an area of ETHER influx:
Cosmic Rebirth Encoded in Background Radiation:
(http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/blogs/6a00d8341bf67c53ef01348996689a970c-800wi.jpg)
http://news.discovery.com/space/a-fingerprint-embedded-in-cosmic-background-radiation.htm
So...everything that modern science is seeing in the universe can be attributed to the black hole universe theory. The reason I like the black hole universe theory is because the ETHER(ZPE, dark energy,space/time) is a super fluid, and this is the way of nature.
(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/XRQosQE6qf8/maxresdefault.jpg)
It is just so obvious and natural.
Cosmo
Black Hole, White Hole
The big news last week came from the Background Imaging of Cosmic Extragalactic Polarization 2 (BICEP2) experiment at the South Pole, which saw imprints in the cosmic microwave background—the oldest light in the universe, dating from shortly after the big bang—that appear to have been caused by gravitational waves rippling through the fabric of spacetime in the early universe. The finding was heralded as a huge breakthrough, although physicists say confirmation from other experiments will be needed to corroborate the results.
If verified, these gravitational waves would be direct evidence for the theory of inflation, which suggests the universe expanded exponentially in the first fraction of a nanosecond after it was born. If inflation occurred, it would explain many features of our universe, such as the fact that it appears to be fairly smooth, with matter spread evenly in all directions (early inflation would have stretched out any irregularities in the universe).
http://coyoteprime-runningcauseicantfly.blogspot.com/2014/04/cosmology-multiverse-debate-heats-up-in.html
Inflation might also mean that what we consider the universe—the expanse of everything we could see with the most perfect telescopes—is just one small corner of space, a pocket where inflation stopped and allowed matter to condense, galaxies and stars to form, and life to evolve. Elsewhere, beyond the observable universe, spacetime may still be inflating, with other "bubble" universes forming whenever inflation stops in one location.
(http://i.imgur.com/FGkECoQ.jpg)
Stephen Hawking proposed the White Hole theory. I think that every black hole, exits as a white hole, another bubble of raw space time...another Universe.
And there may be matter in our universe that made it through the black hole intact. We may have matter in our universe that is OLDER than our universe!
Scientists Have Discovered A Planet They Thought Was Impossible:
A mysterious system
Researchers had previously thought that this kind of planet impossible.
Not only did they think something that big would be a gas giant, but they didn't even think the elements that make up a rocky planet existed in our universe when this solar system was born: The early universe had only the lighter elements of hydrogen and helium. Heavier elements were forged from these lighter ones in stars over billions of years.
http://news.yahoo.com/scientists-discovered-planet-thought-impossible-170448463.html
The black hole/white hole universe theory could explain that planet.
Cosmo
More black/white hole information:
Black holes EXPLODE when they die: Galactic phenomenon burst apart and become white holes at the end of their life
Nature.com explains the new theory as suggesting 'that the transition from black hole to white hole would take place right after the initial formation of the black hole, but because gravity dilates time, outside observers would see the black hole lasting billions or trillions of years or more, depending on its size. If the authors are correct, tiny black holes that formed during the very early history of the Universe would now be ready to pop off like firecrackers and might be detected as high-energy cosmic rays or other radiation.'
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/19/article-0-1FC7D55600000578-803_634x453.jpg)
I believe that one day we will find that black holes are an entry way into another universe and that is how a white hole works. This meshes well with space time that is a superfluid and the bubble universe theory.
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=6666.15;last_msg=97273
Cosmo
im not a big fan of wormhole theory.per my own theories.
but im willing to believe in a magnetic component to them.
i dont believe they explode either but turn into neutron stars.now if the star explodes then yea.
if there was time dilation then no light should reach us.and no xrays would be expelled unless xrays are not effected by time,but they seem to be.if not then we have the tools necessary for ftl travel.
Why is the Milky Way blowing bubbles? Portrait of strange structures revealed - but scientists still can't explain their source
Scientists have created a data-based 'portrait' of two massive bubbles
These Fermi bubbles, they claim, glow in nearly uniform gamma rays
They appear like two 30,000-light-year bulbs screwed into galaxy's centre
But according to astrophysical theories, these gamma ray bubbles shouldn't be there, and scientists are still baffled by their presence
The Milky Way is blowing huge, mysterious bubbles that stretch for tens of thousands of light years.
These 'Fermi' bubbles, which are mostly made up of gamma rays, were discovered four years ago by Harvard physicist Douglas Finkbeiner - and scientists have been trying to explain them ever since.
Now a group of US researchers has used data from the Fermi Gamma-ray Telescope to create a 'portrait' two bubbles stretching out above and below our galaxy.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/07/Fermi.gif)
Dmitry Malyshev, at the Kavli Institute for Particle Astrophysics and Cosmology in Stanford, found that the bubbles have very clear outlines and are fixed at each pole of the Milky Way.
The bubbles themselves, he claims, glow in nearly uniform gamma rays and appear like two 30,000-light-year-tall incandescent bulbs screwed into the centre of the galaxy.
But according to current astrophysical theories, these gamma rays shouldn't be there, and scientists have been unable to find a source.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2718749/Why-Milky-Way-blowing-bubbles-Portrait-strange-structures-revealed-scientists-explain-source.html
It's an Astrophysical unipolar inductor at work! It is moving space/time/ether, producing gamma radiation...
(http://www.plasma-universe.com/images/thumb/2/20/Galactic-inductor.jpg/400px-Galactic-inductor.jpg)
http://www.plasma-universe.com/Unipolar_inductor
It's natures way...
Cosmo
its because particles colliding at certain energy levels and higher put off the xrays and gamma at right angles to collision ,it would make sense that cosmic rays are created that way too.that is the normal method of creation of these waves in the lab.
the center of the galaxy is like or is a black type hole.
this accelerated pressure and velocity does this.
all accelerated inward,into a level plain
the bubble shows a right angle mirror image of this plain.since the bubble is not a straight collumn but a outward plane,then the collapsing plain downward and inward should be relative to that plain or disk type surface.or it could be just random plasma fluxuation.but it wouldnt surprise me if its being trapped by a magnetic field somehow.
my question would be is can they show even energy density across the bubble or more like a column energy density.
what i find strange is when scientist say a blackhole they say that the collumn is hollow and comes off the edge of the event horizon but then heres an article saying a bubble.
if i was captain of a space ship,i would stay the heck away from either.
well cosmo,after more thought,if this guys pic is correct,then it blows my theory of it being a flat plane and suggest a clump or radius of neutrons.and its very small relative to the other masses.this causes the tight angle at the bottom of bubble.
this actually a really good article ,for whats going on,if the pic is true.
it may also meaan neutrons are not effected by magnetic fields on this scale since the neutrons clump instead of being a flat disk due to polarity from magnetic force.
This work you shared above Cosmo, does correlate with the newer viewpoint of how certain celestial formations might not be collapsing into themselves, but actually densifying and expelling matter from that center simultaneously with a weaker intake of information from what we know as universal mind.
Of course, during this process, some of that matter is returned back into the singular point of centricity, as would suggest a wormhole, but the "wormhole" is just a pinch point where unaccreted matter is relocated for future expulsion in my honest opinion.
(http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/anu.gif)
Theres that spiral meandering of Quanta again... ;D
Exactly like the 2d graphic you posted of a inductive device...but in 3d form..the ancients who were vastly in tune with this whole process, even without Hubble telescopes and such, called it Anu....and the nature of everything conforms to this strict mean in many different ways, hence various stages of stellar metamorphosis, and nebulous creation.
Its our Kundalini, Samadhi, what have you..galaxies are as each singular density of matter..fractal and exacting,combining to create an apparent view of the whole.
And I do agree with Robomont..the spaceship captain would do his crew and ship well to avoid that pinch point, lest he be relocated into something new, such as a bird, fish, or Honey Boo Boo's underpants. :o
Cheers!
Le
New article about this subject...coincidentally...
The Black Hole at the Beginning of Time --"We may have Emerged from a Black Hole in a Higher-Dimensional Universe"
The problem, as the authors see it, is that the big bang hypothesis has our relatively comprehensible, uniform, and predictable universe arising from the physics-destroying insanity of a singularity. It seems unlikely. So perhaps something else happened. Perhaps our universe was never singular in the first place.
Their suggestion: our known universe could be the three-dimensional "wrapping" around a four-dimensional black hole's event horizon. In this scenario, our universe burst into being when a star in a four-dimensional universe collapsed into a black hole.
In our three-dimensional universe, black holes have two-dimensional event horizons – that is, they are surrounded by a two-dimensional boundary that marks the "point of no return." In the case of a four-dimensional universe, a black hole would have a three-dimensional event horizon.
In their proposed scenario, our universe was never inside the singularity; rather, it came into being outside an event horizon, protected from the singularity. It originated as – and remains – just one feature in the imploded wreck of a four-dimensional star.
The researchers emphasize that this idea, though it may sound "absurd," is grounded firmly in the best modern mathematics describing space and time. Specifically, they've used the tools of holography to "turn the big bang into a cosmic mirage." Along the way, their model appears to address long-standing cosmological puzzles and – crucially – produce testable predictions.
Of course, our intuition tends to recoil at the idea that everything and everyone we know emerged from the event horizon of a single four-dimensional black hole. We have no concept of what a four-dimensional universe might look like. We don't know how a four-dimensional "parent" universe itself came to be.
But our fallible human intuitions, the researchers argue, evolved in a three-dimensional world that may only reveal shadows of reality.
They draw a parallel to Plato's allegory of the cave, in which prisoners spend their lives seeing only the flickering shadows cast by a fire on a cavern wall.
"Their shackles have prevented them from perceiving the true world, a realm with one additional dimension," they write. "Plato's prisoners didn't understand the powers behind the sun, just as we don't understand the four-dimensional bulk universe. But at least they knew where to look for answers."
(http://www.dailygalaxy.com/.a/6a00d8341bf7f753ef01a3fd442509970b-800wi)
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2014/08/the-black-hole-at-the-beginning-of-time-we-may-have-emerged-from-a-black-hole-in-a-higher-dimensiona.html
It's a unipolar inductor...
It affects matter and modifies space time/ether...
Dave, I agree with the anu somewhat, but think that movement involves dimensional shifts...from distorted ether to placid ether...a "recycling" of the raw stuff of creation. That, imho, is what is responsible for gravity. Vortices, causing ether flow into subatomic black holes. The ETHER is a super fluid after all...
It's the same pattern from subatomic to universal. It's natures way and it's all around us.
Cosmo
FWIW I read the thread title as:
"Scientists think there may be a womble in the center of our galaxy"
Made me look twice I can tell you!
FB.
Quote from: Fruitbat on August 11, 2014, 05:44:39 PM
FWIW I read the thread title as:
"Scientists think there may be a womble in the center of our galaxy"
Made me look twice I can tell you!
FB.
Well yes, actually there IS a womble in the center of our galaxy!!!
See!?!?!?!?!
(http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/hh605/subatomic_dude/blackholewomble.jpg?t=1407985789)
Here's some new results from NuSTAR...
Black hole bends light, space, time -- and NASA's NuSTAR can see it all unfold
NASA's black-hole hunting telescope has captured a cosmic battle between dark and light.
NuSTAR, formally known as the Nuclear Spectroscopic Telescope Array, has observed a supermassive black hole's gravity tugging on X-ray light that's being emitted near that black hole.
NASA says \
NASA says "The regions around supermassive black holes shine brightly in X-rays. Some of this radiation comes from a surrounding disk, and most comes from the corona, pictured here as the white light at the base of a jet. This is one possible configuration for a corona -- its actual shape is unclear."
The mystery of black holes Black hole hunting satellite launched New telescope to illuminate black holes
That light is getting stretched and blurred, and researchers are getting to see it all in unprecedented detail, said NASA in a news release issued today.
In this instance, the corona -- a source of X-ray light that sits near a black hole -- recently collapsed in toward the black hole that's named Markarian 335.
The craft completed its primary mission earlier this year, and it was redirected to investigate Markarian 335 once scientists noticed that the black hole had become dramatically brighter. NuSTAR observed that Markarian 335's gravity sucked the corona's light, an illuminating action that NASA likened to someone shining a flashlight for astronomers.
Scientists can now see the corona "lighting up material around the black hole," which allows them to study "the most extreme light-bending effects" of Albert Einstein's theory of general relativity, said NuSTAR's principal investigator, Fiona Harrison, in the news release. She is with the California Institute of Technology.
As if NuSTAR's observations and Einstein's theories aren't mind-boggling enough, NASA says the black hole Markarian 335 "spins so rapidly that space and time are dragged around with it."
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/12/tech/black-hole-nasa-nustar/index.html
So here we have a cosmological unipolar inductor dragging space/time around with it.
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/140812222649-supermassive-black-hole-story-body.jpg)
Here we have a man made unipolar inductor circuit...
(http://i47.tinypic.com/21d3dl0.jpg)
Nature shows the way...
Cosmo
Love your Cosmology threads!
Thanks for sharing.
Im going to share something now that will likely be called a vision of a crackpot or madman, but Im OK with that because it is what I have come to realize....
Our universe is one segment of an infinite cycle, whereas ALL is created through these "Black holes" and annihilated through them in the perceived end of time....everything expands into a wonderous golden age near the center of this particular timeline, then compresses back through these "black holes" or wormholes, or what have you, to be recreated into another universe, such as the one we live in now.
These cycles are woven into each other, as a geometric fabric or mesh, whereas there is zero empty space, and everything is connected allowing for infinite possibilities of quantum mechanics.
Our version is likely nearing the end, maybe a few billion years more to go in a 15-20 billion year process, which is just a fractal version of smaller and larger events going on in infinite aeons of so called time. This is what I have seen in numerous dreams and meditations for years.
Simply put, our universe may be blinking in and out of multiple existences over vast lengths of "time"..a theory I had in one deep meditation years ago, which makes sense in some odd way..and at that blink (pinch point), we call it a singularity or black hole of sorts.
Like a soup being strained through a colander, wih new space coming through the other side, having to redensify its matter into mass again...and the number of holes in the colander are infinite, as are the possible outcomes of each new universe. The strained densities would be effectively recycled into fuel for electrical plasma, fusion, or fission products which provide an expansive force to regrow the new universe. This matter still goes through, albeit with great pressure and with a sudden bursting effect, which scientists call a big bang.
Each observed existence, to an outside observer, is like a curtain being pulled through a small ring, where everything compresses before the ring, and expands after the ring.
Just like this graphic you posted, Cosmo....but add more pinches..an infinite number to be exact.
(http://www.dailygalaxy.com/.a/6a00d8341bf7f753ef01a3fd442509970b-800wi)
The Blink, is an inductive arc, which also allows for creation of new matter and mass pulling from local geometry surrounding it, along with new lifeforms, and allows for various theories such as that of Accretion, or Stellar Metamorphosis to exist, providing those theories with an origin for their most miniscule beginnings as a nebula or cloud of spiralling matter into mass.
Everything is dust in the wind at some point....
The eventual assembly of these periods between blinks decides what time is.
And, the desire of mind which is always inherent, which humans so hamfistedly call God, is what brings various forms of matter together into specific unique densities within our perceived universe.
Kinda like a 4d printer in space! 8)
I knew I shouldve stayed in bed.... :o
Cheers!
Le
Yes LE,
A fractal propagation of space/time bubbles, from the subatomic to the cosmic.
Like this:
(http://exper.3drecursions.com/apo/bubble-j_2.jpg)
Description here:
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6666.msg97176#msg97176
The ETHER is a super fluid.
Cosmo
Quote from: COSMO on August 14, 2014, 02:23:49 PM
Yes LE,
A fractal propagation of space/time bubbles, from the subatomic to the cosmic.
Like this:
(http://exper.3drecursions.com/apo/bubble-j_2.jpg)
Description here:
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6666.msg97176#msg97176
The ETHER is a super fluid.
Cosmo
Whew, I thought youd say I was drinking superfluid when I realized my ideas there!LOL!
Total agreement there, Cosmo!
Like a bubble bath, I knew my mother was on to something when she drew that bath and made the bubbles I loved to play in as a boy! :D
Physics from the most unlikely source!
Cheers!
Le
Ooh, love those bubbles :D
QuoteOur version is likely nearing the end, maybe a few billion years more to go in a 15-20 billion year process, which is just a fractal version of smaller and larger events going on in infinite aeons of so called time. This is what I have seen in numerous dreams and meditations for years.
Like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jGaio87u3A
The math doesn't lie, my freinds ;)
QuoteSimply put, our universe may be blinking in and out of multiple existences over vast lengths of "time"..a theory I had in one deep meditation years ago,
Mmm, for a long time, i have had the impression that this blinking into & out of existence is actually happening trillions of times a second, and if you could place yourself between those 'frames' you could be anywhere at all in the universe...
QuoteEach observed existence, to an outside observer, is like a curtain being pulled through a small ring, where everything compresses before the ring, and expands after the ring.
Yep.
Maybe it's a golden ring? ;)
Like this?
Yes, beautiful Luke. To me it is like a plant...a living thing, blossoming fractally.
(http://www.transformationalcompanion.com/uploads/1/6/9/3/16932452/25831_orig.jpg)
Cosmo
No Big Bang? Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning
"The Big Bang singularity is the most serious problem of general relativity because the laws of physics appear to break down there," Ahmed Farag Ali at Benha University and the Zewail City of Science and Technology, both in Egypt, told Phys.org.
Ali and coauthor Saurya Das at the University of Lethbridge in Alberta, Canada, have shown in a paper published in Physics Letters B that the Big Bang singularity can be resolved by their new model in which the universe has no beginning and no end.
The physicists emphasize that their quantum correction terms are not applied ad hoc in an attempt to specifically eliminate the Big Bang singularity. Their work is based on ideas by the theoretical physicist David Bohm, who is also known for his contributions to the philosophy of physics. Starting in the 1950s, Bohm explored replacing classical geodesics (the shortest path between two points on a curved surface) with quantum trajectories.
In their paper, Ali and Das applied these Bohmian trajectories to an equation developed in the 1950s by physicist Amal Kumar Raychaudhuri at Presidency University in Kolkata, India. Raychaudhuri was also Das's teacher when he was an undergraduate student of that institution in the '90s.
Using the quantum-corrected Raychaudhuri equation, Ali and Das derived quantum-corrected Friedmann equations, which describe the expansion and evolution of universe (including the Big Bang) within the context of general relativity. Although it's not a true theory of quantum gravity, the model does contain elements from both quantum theory and general relativity. Ali and Das also expect their results to hold even if and when a full theory of quantum gravity is formulated.
No singularities nor dark stuff
In addition to not predicting a Big Bang singularity, the new model does not predict a "big crunch" singularity, either. In general relativity, one possible fate of the universe is that it starts to shrink until it collapses in on itself in a big crunch and becomes an infinitely dense point once again.
Ali and Das explain in their paper that their model avoids singularities because of a key difference between classical geodesics and Bohmian trajectories. Classical geodesics eventually cross each other, and the points at which they converge are singularities. In contrast, Bohmian trajectories never cross each other, so singularities do not appear in the equations.
In cosmological terms, the scientists explain that the quantum corrections can be thought of as a cosmological constant term (without the need for dark energy) and a radiation term. These terms keep the universe at a finite size, and therefore give it an infinite age. The terms also make predictions that agree closely with current observations of the cosmological constant and density of the universe.
New gravity particle
In physical terms, the model describes the universe as being filled with a quantum fluid. The scientists propose that this fluid might be composed of gravitons—hypothetical massless particles that mediate the force of gravity. If they exist, gravitons are thought to play a key role in a theory of quantum gravity.
In a related paper, Das and another collaborator, Rajat Bhaduri of McMaster University, Canada, have lent further credence to this model. They show that gravitons can form a Bose-Einstein condensate (named after Einstein and another Indian physicist, Satyendranath Bose) at temperatures that were present in the universe at all epochs.
Motivated by the model's potential to resolve the Big Bang singularity and account for dark matter and dark energy, the physicists plan to analyze their model more rigorously in the future. Their future work includes redoing their study while taking into account small inhomogeneous and anisotropic perturbations, but they do not expect small perturbations to significantly affect the results.
"It is satisfying to note that such straightforward corrections can potentially resolve so many issues at once," Das said.
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Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-02-big-quantum-equation-universe.html#jCp
I am pleased that this theory is based on Bohm's work. Bohm and Krishnamurti were very good friends and discussed the nature of consciousness and the quantum realm. Wonderful stuff.
http://bohmkrishnamurti.com/
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7064.msg98258#msg98258
And this part:
In physical terms, the model describes the universe as being filled with a quantum fluid. The scientists propose that this fluid might be composed of gravitons—hypothetical massless particles that mediate the force of gravity. If they exist, gravitons are thought to play a key role in a theory of quantum gravity.
In a related paper, Das and another collaborator, Rajat Bhaduri of McMaster University, Canada, have lent further credence to this model. They show that gravitons can form a Bose-Einstein condensate (named after Einstein and another Indian physicist, Satyendranath Bose) at temperatures that were present in the universe at all epochs.
Yes. A Bose-Einstein condensate...a quantum superfluid! The universe is a quantum ocean and all points in space and time are connected. That's how it works. ; )
Cosmo
Scientists discover black hole so big it contradicts growth theory
SYDNEY (Reuters) - Scientists say they have discovered a black hole so big that it challenges the theory about how they grow.
Scientists said this black hole was formed about 900 million years after the Big Bang.
But with measurements indicating it is 12 billion times the size of the Sun, the black hole challenges a widely accepted hypothesis of growth rates.
"Based on previous research, this is the largest black hole found for that period of time," Dr Fuyan Bian, Research School of Astronomy and Astrophysics, Australian National University (ANU), told Reuters on Wednesday.
"Current theory is for a limit to how fast a black hole can grow, but this black hole is too large for that theory."
http://news.yahoo.com/scientists-discover-black-hole-big-contradicts-growth-theory-182735953.html
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Victor knew too.
http://www.dancingwithwater.com/the-new-science-of-water/vortices-natures-creative-tool/
The way of the universe is displayed all around us in nature. It holds true at all scales, from subatomic to cosmic. Imagine what that black hole has spawned form it's distortion of the ETHER. Surely an amazing universe lies on the other side.
Cosmo
The corrugated galaxy: Milky Way may be much larger than previously estimated
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The Milky Way galaxy is at least 50 percent larger than is commonly estimated, according to new findings that reveal that the galactic disk is contoured into several concentric ripples. The research, conducted by an international team led by Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Professor Heidi Jo Newberg, revisits astronomical data from the Sloan Digital Sky Survey which, in 2002, established the presence of a bulging ring of stars beyond the known plane of the Milky Way.
"In essence, what we found is that the disk of the Milky Way isn't just a disk of stars in a flat plane -- it's corrugated," said Heidi Newberg, professor of physics, applied physics, and astronomy in the Rensselaer School of Science. "As it radiates outward from the sun, we see at least four ripples in the disk of the Milky Way. While we can only look at part of the galaxy with this data, we assume that this pattern is going to be found throughout the disk."
Importantly, the findings show that the features previously identified as rings are actually part of the galactic disk, extending the known width of the Milky Way from 100,000 light years across to 150,000 light years, said Yan Xu, a scientist at the National Astronomical Observatories of China (which is part of the Chinese Academy of Science in Beijing), former visiting scientist at Rensselaer, and lead author of the paper.
"Going into the research, astronomers had observed that the number of Milky Way stars diminishes rapidly about 50,000 light years from the center of the galaxy, and then a ring of stars appears at about 60,000 light years from the center," said Xu. "What we see now is that this apparent ring is actually a ripple in the disk. And it may well be that there are more ripples further out which we have not yet seen."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/03/150311124139.htm
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Just like water down the drain. Professor Susskind would agree. It behaves like that because the ETHER is a fluid.
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6666.msg92900#msg92900
Gravity is a flow, inertia is a wave. The way of the universe is consistent, from the subatomic to the cosmic. All matter and energy we observe is just motion in the ETHER. Gravity is a motion OF ETHER. Quantum entanglement is possible because entangled particles are connected in the ETHER via subatomic black holes and entanglement is superluminal.
Cosmo
So Nasim haramein is right! 8)
Quote from: Lunica on March 16, 2015, 03:10:09 PM
So Nasim haramein is right! 8)
Do you think so? Is that what I am describing? I admit I am not totally familiar with his theories. Can you share some of your thoughts on this?
Cosmo
Lunica thinks that Haramein is right. I am not sure about that. I will look into it.
Here is more information on the possiblity of gravity "leaking" into subatomic black holes. I do think that ETHER flows into subatomic black holes and gravity is the result. It's a super fluidic universe. Maybe the LHC will verify this model.
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Will the Large Hadron Collider find a parallel universe? Particle smasher could become a gateway to alternate realities, say scientists
Scientists predict gravity can sometimes leak into an extra dimension
If this happens, it will create tiny black holes that can be found by LHC
LHC has failed to find any, but study claims it has gravity model wrong
Theory says it should be looking for black holes at higher energy levels
The LHC is due to be turned back on next week with double the energy
It has found the 'God particle', and could soon reveal a mysterious force known as 'dark matter'.
But when it turns on next week, some scientists are betting the Large Hadron Collider will detect something just as exciting; a parallel universe.
This is according to a new study that claims miniature black holes - a key sign of a 'multiverse' - could be detected in Cern's LHC in Geneva.
'Just as many parallel sheets of paper, which are two dimensional objects (breath and length) can exist in a third dimension (height), parallel universes can also exist in higher dimensions' Mir Faizal from the University of Waterloo told Dailymail.com.
'We predict that gravity can leak into extra dimensions, and if it does, then miniature black holes can be produced at the LHC.'
Professor Faizal and his team have calculated the energy at which they expect to detect these mini black holes in gravity's rainbow, according to a report by Lisa Zyga at Phys.org.
'If we do detect mini black holes at this energy, then we will know that both gravity's rainbow and extra dimensions are correct,' added Professor Faizal.
GRAVITY'S RAINBOW THEORY
The Rainbow Gravity theory suggests that gravity's effect on the cosmos causes different wavelengths of light to behave differently.
This means that particles with different energies will move in space-times and gravitational fields differently.
The theory was proposed 10 years ago in an attempt to reconcile difference between the theories of general relativity and quantum mechanics.
One consequence of rainbow gravity is that our universe stretches back into time infinitely with no singular point where it started.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3001664/Will-Large-Hadron-Collider-parallel-universe-Particle-smasher-gateway-alternate-realities-say-scientists.html#ixzz3UoZ6IvAa
Gravity as the result of space/time/ETHER flow into black holes is something I think is accurate. A universe that stretches back into time infinitely with no singularity is also accurate I believe. It's a bubble universe with every black hole, at all scales, creating spatial extensions of ETHER, the raw stuff of creation. Gravity flowing into subatomic particles is driving subatomic rotation and sustaining the universe! EVERYTHING we can observe is motion in or of the ETHER. THAT is the first principle.
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Cosmo
Here is the link to Haramein's Quantum Gravity and the Holographic Mass...
It seems it's related to some earlier work in concept...
John Archibald Wheeler in 1967
described this region of space as a "black hole" during a talk at the NASA Goddard Institute
of Space Studies. In 1957 Wheeler had already, as an implication of general relativity,
theorized the presence of tunnels in spacetime or "wormholes" and in 1955, as a
consequence of quantum mechanics, the concept of "spacetime foam" or "quantum foam" as
a qualitative description of subatomic spacetime turbulence [3]. The theory predicts that the
very fabric of spacetime is a seething foam of wormholes and tiny virtual black holes at the
Planck scale as well as being the source of virtual particle production. In Wheeler's own
words: "The vision of quantum gravity is a vision of turbulence – turbulent space, turbulent
time, turbulent spacetime... spacetime in small enough regions should not be merely
"bumpy," not merely erratic in its curvature; it should fractionate into ever-changing, multiplyconnected
geometries. For the very small and the very quick, wormholes should be as
much a part of the landscape as those dancing virtual particles that give to the electron its
slightly altered energy and magnetism [Observed as the Lamb shift]." [4]
Nassim Haramein
http://resonance.is/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/1367405491-Haramein342013PRRI3363.pdf
It is interesting. I see that he has financed a movie on Indiegogo. I think a lot of his ideas are on the right track. The LHC may verify some of the things he is predicting. We'll see.
As far as the "foamy" nature of spacetime, there is new information that gives us some clues as to it's scale.
Confirming Einstein, scientists find 'spacetime foam' not slowing down photons from faraway gamma-ray burst (Update)
Beyond confirming the general theory of relativity, the observation rules out one of the interesting ideas concerning the unification of general relativity and quantum theory. While these two theories are the pillars of physics today, they are still inconsistent, and there is an intrinsic contradiction between the two that is partially based on Heisenberg's uncertainty principle that is at the heart of quantum theory.
One of the attempts to reconcile the two theories is the idea of "space-time foam." According to this concept, on a microscopic scale space is not continuous, and instead it has a foam-like structure. The size of these foam elements is so tiny that it is difficult to imagine and is at present impossible to measure directly. However light particles that are traveling within this foam will be affected by the foamy structure, and this will cause them to propagate at slightly different speeds depending on their energy.
Yet this experiment shows otherwise. The fact that all the photons with different energies arrived with no time delay relative to each other indicates that such a foamy structure, if it exists at all, has a much smaller size than previously expected.
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-03-einstein-scientists-spacetime-foam.html#jCp
As to the question of the limit of the scale of the very small, I do not believe the universe cares what we think the limit should be. But, we now know that it is smaller than expected. That's pretty small!
There's that pesky Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principal again! lol
We only see gravity where there is matter. The subatomic vortices exist only where matter exists.
Or maybe there is no spoon. lol
Cosmo
If parallel universes exist, here's how we could actually find the evidence
The idea of inflation holds that our infant universe experienced a period of rapid expansion (right after the Big Bang) where a nanometer of space suddenly exploded into over 250 million lightyears of space in less than a trillionth of a second.
Once inflation starts, it never completely stops. It does stop in some regions of space-time where chunks of space pinch off into bubbles like the universe we see around us today, but space continues expanding every where else. If expansion is infinite, which many believe it is, then new bubble universes are constantly forming. You can almost think of it as running with a bubble wand held out behind you: you'd leave a trail of bubbles.
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So essentially we might be drifting through space-time in a frothy bubble bath of universes.
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/parallel-universes-exist-heres-could-161104111.html
I like that. Space time expanding into a frothy bubble bath of a universe. This fish is taking a bath! lol
Cosmo
I wonder if THIS is related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3_vW5yrNek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3_vW5yrNek
Hi Ron,
Those currents do show signs of spiraling, like birkeland currents, and I think if the energy levels are high enough, and they probably are, that they can impact space/time/ETHER via torsion. This might produce space/time anomalies perhaps in the form of a smaller scale worm hole. The points at which they cross would increase that likely hood I think. Again, an example in nature of how to engineer space/time.
Here's something that may be related. I wonder if those currents could account for some of the strange sky sounds people are hearing.
Landmark study proves that magnets can control heat and sound
In the March 23 issue of the journal Nature Materials, they describe how a magnetic field roughly the size of a medical MRI reduced the amount of heat flowing through a semiconductor by 12 percent.
The study is the first ever to prove that acoustic phonons—the elemental particles that transmit both heat and sound—have magnetic properties.
"This adds a new dimension to our understanding of acoustic waves," said Joseph Heremans, Ohio Eminent Scholar in Nanotechnology and professor of mechanical engineering at Ohio State. "We've shown that we can steer heat magnetically. With a strong enough magnetic field, we should be able to steer sound waves, too."
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-03-landmark-magnets.html#jCp
Mark
Black holes aren't 'eternal prisons': Stephen Hawking claims information CAN escape and is then stored in alternate universes
The widely-held assumption is that anything sucked into a black hole is gone forever.
But Professor Stephen Hawking has called this assumption into question.
The theoretical physicist claims to have discovered a mechanism 'by which information is returned out of the black hole,' - meaning they may not be as black as previously thought.
In fact, his new theory suggests that information lost in black holes could be stored in alternative universes.
He believes radiation leaving the black hole carries some of the information, preserved on the event horizon, with it.
And the theory suggests that some of the missing information could even be stored in alternative universes.
'The existence of alternative histories with black holes suggests this might be possible,' Professor Hawking said.
'The hole would need to be large and if it was rotating it might have a passage to another universe.
'But you couldn't come back to our universe. So although I'm keen on space flight, I'm not going to try that.'
Speaking in a public lecture, he added: 'If you feel you are in a black hole, don't give up. There's a way out.
'The message of this lecture is that black holes aren't as black as they are painted.
'They are not the eternal prisons they were once thought. Things can get out of a black hole both on the outside and possibly come out in another universe.'
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Yes, an extension of space/time, another universe, caused by rotation!
Created by torsion, sustained by a flow of space time into black holes, from the subatomic to the cosmic with universe after universe unfolding into the true vacuum, on and on into infinity. It is a fractal, bubble universe after all! :)
Cosmo
Quote from: COSMO on August 25, 2015, 08:31:38 PM
Black holes aren't 'eternal prisons': Stephen Hawking claims information CAN escape and is then stored in alternate universes
The widely-held assumption is that anything sucked into a black hole is gone forever.
That was busted many years ago... we now know that streams of plasma are emitted from the poles... in effect a Cosmic Garburator :P
(http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/cygx1_ill.jpg)
But Professor Stephen Hawking has called this assumption into question.
The theoretical physicist claims to have discovered a mechanism 'by which information is returned out of the black hole,' - meaning they may not be as black as previously thought.
In fact, his new theory suggests that information lost in black holes could be stored in alternative universes.
He most likely watched an old Disney Movie Black Hole 1979 where they take a ship into a black hole
(http://www.movieprop.com/tvandmovie/reviews/blackhole.jpg)
Professor Hawking said.
'The hole would need to be large and if it was
rotating it might have a passage to another universe. 'But you couldn't come back to our universe. So although I'm keen on space flight, I'm not going to try that.'
Now this is what bugs me about scientists :P
WHY can you not return? If a black hole wormhole can take you to another universe, why can there not be another one in that universe that takes you home?
Silly scientist :P
Besides Sci Fi writers had this down pat decades ago :P
Quote from: zorgon on August 25, 2015, 09:57:06 PM
The widely-held assumption is that anything sucked into a black hole is gone forever.
That was busted many years ago... we now know that streams of plasma are emitted from the poles... in effect a Cosmic Garburator :P
(http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/cygx1_ill.jpg)
But Professor Stephen Hawking has called this assumption into question.
The theoretical physicist claims to have discovered a mechanism 'by which information is returned out of the black hole,' - meaning they may not be as black as previously thought.
In fact, his new theory suggests that information lost in black holes could be stored in alternative universes.
He most likely watched an old Disney Movie Black Hole 1979 where they take a ship into a black hole
(http://www.movieprop.com/tvandmovie/reviews/blackhole.jpg)
Professor Hawking said.
'The hole would need to be large and if it was rotating it might have a passage to another universe.
'But you couldn't come back to our universe. So although I'm keen on space flight, I'm not going to try that.'
Now this is what bugs me about scientists :P
WHY can you not return? If a black hole wormhole can take you to another universe, why can there not be another one in that universe that takes you home?
Silly scientist :P
Besides Sci Fi writers had this down pat decades ago :P
So true. Disney was years ahead of Hawking, but what I enjoy watching is the modern scientific world gradually inch closer to ancient myth and science fiction. I do get excited when I think of the implications for the future when we have mastered the quantum realm and it's amazing characteristics. We will travel to the stars and have ether energy, but odds are that technology already exists. The universe can cause amazing things to become reality and who knows what the future holds, but I am optimistic that we will soon be witness to something pretty amazing. We are on the verge of something great I think.
Cosmo
Quote from: zorgon on August 25, 2015, 09:57:06 PM
Now this is what bugs me about scientists :P
WHY can you not return? If a black hole wormhole can take you to another universe, why can there not be another one in that universe that takes you home?
That's what I like in scientists and what I do not like in most people, scientists, when talking about one thing, talk about it, not about something else.
In this case, if he was talking about the possible functioning of a black hole, saying that the possible wormhole travelling is one direction only obviously means that there's not going back through that black hole. It's the same thing as if he was talking about a water fall, you can go down in a barrel but you cannot go back up by the same method.
QuoteBesides Sci Fi writers had this down pat decades ago :P
No, SciFi writers just use an idea, regardless of it being possible or not, scientists study the ideas to see if they are possible or not and why they are or aren't possible.
That is where your way of thinking and my way of thinking are totally OPPOSITES :P
But new discoveries and frontiers are not made by your way of thinking :P
Arthur C. Clarke's Three Laws:
1) When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
2) The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
3) Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
One of the first papers I put on Livingmoon...
Source: Northeastern University Released: Thu 26-Jan-2006, 08:00 ET
South Pole Detector Could Yield Signs of Extra Dimensions
Researchers at Northeastern University and the University of California, Irvine say that scientists might soon have evidence for extra dimensions and other exotic predictions of string theory. Early results from a neutrino detector at the South Pole, called AMANDA, show that ghostlike particles from space could serve as probes to a world beyond our familiar three dimensions, the research team says.
No more than a dozen high-energy neutrinos have been detected so far. However, the current detection rate and energy range indicate that AMANDA's larger successor, called IceCube, now under construction, could provide the first evidence for string theory and other theories that attempt to build upon our current understanding of the universe.
An article describing this work appears in the current issue of Physical Review Letters. The authors are: Luis Anchordoqui, associate research scientist in the Physics Department at Northeastern University; Haim Goldberg, professor in the Physics Department at Northeastern University; and Jonathan Feng, associate professor in the Department of Physics and Astronomy at University of California, Irvine. The evidence, they say, would come from how neutrinos interact with other forms of matter on Earth.
"To find clues to support string theory and other bold, new theories, we need to study how matter interacts at extreme energies," said Anchordoqui. "Human-made particle accelerators on Earth cannot yet generate these energies, but nature can in the form of the highest-energy neutrinos."
In recent decades, new theories have developed – such as string theory, extra dimensions and supersymmetry – to bridge the gap between the two most successful theories of the 20th century, general relativity and quantum mechanics. Quantum mechanics describes three of the fundamental forces of nature: electromagnetism, strong forces (binding atomic nuclei) and weak forces (seen in radioactivity). It is, however, incompatible with Einstein's general relativity, the leading description of the fourth force, gravity. Scientists hope to find one unified theory to provide a quantum description of all four forces.
Clues to unification, scientists say, lie at extreme energies. On Earth, human-made particle accelerators have already produced energies at which electromagnetic forces and weak forces are indistinguishable. Scientists have ideas about how the next generation of accelerators will reveal that strong forces are indistinguishable from the weak and electromagnetic at yet higher energies. Yet to probe deeper to see gravity's connection to the other three forces, still higher energies are needed.
Anchordoqui and his colleagues say that extragalactic sources can serve as the ultimate cosmic accelerator, and that neutrinos from these sources smacking into protons can release energies in the realm where the first clues to string theory could be revealed.
Neutrinos are elementary particles similar to electrons, but they are far less massive, have neutral charge, and hardly interact with matter. They are among the most abundant particles in the universe; untold billions pass through our bodies every second. Most of the neutrinos reaching Earth are lower-energy particles from the sun.
AMANDA, funded by the National Science Foundation, attempts to detect neutrinos raining down from above but also coming "up" through the Earth. Neutrinos are so weakly interacting that some can pass through the entire Earth unscathed. The total number of "down" and "up" neutrinos is uncertain; however, barring exotic effects, the relative detection rates are well known.
AMANDA detectors are positioned deep in the Antarctic ice. The NSF-funded IceCube has a similar design, only it has about six times more detectors covering a volume of one cubic kilometer. A neutrino smashing into atoms in the ice will emit a brief, telltale blue light; and using the detectors, scientists can determine the direction where the neutrino came from and its energy.
The key to the work presented here is that the scientists are comparing "down" to "up" detections and looking for discrepancies in the detection rate, evidence of an exotic effect predicted by new theories.
"String theory and other possibilities can distort the relative numbers of 'down' and 'up' neutrinos," said Jonathan Feng. "For example, extra dimensions may cause neutrinos to create microscopic black holes, which instantly evaporate and create spectacular showers of particles in the Earth's atmosphere and in the Antarctic ice cap. This increases the number of 'down' neutrinos detected. At the same time, the creation of black holes causes 'up' neutrinos to be caught in the Earth's crust, reducing the number of 'up' neutrinos. The relative 'up' and 'down' rates provide evidence for distortions in neutrino properties that are predicted by new theories."
"The neutrinos accelerated in the cosmos to energies unattainable on Earth can detect the 'footprint' of new physics," said Goldberg. "The 'body' responsible for the footprint can then emerge through complementary experiments at the new generation of human-made colliders. On all fronts, it is an exciting era in high-energy physics."
More information about AMANDA and IceCube is available at the IceCube website, http://www.icecube.wisc.edu.
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Physicists Find Way To 'See' Extra Dimensions
Date:
February 4, 2007
Source:
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Summary:
Peering backward in time to an instant after the big bang, physicists at the University of Wisconsin-Madison have devised an approach that may help unlock the hidden shapes of alternate dimensions of the universe
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A computer-generated rendering of a possible six-dimensional geometry similar to those studied by UW-Madison physicist Gary Shiu.
Credit: Image : courtesy Andrew J. Hanson, Indiana University
Peering backward in time to an instant after the big bang, physicists at the University of Wisconsin-Madison have devised an approach that may help unlock the hidden shapes of alternate dimensions of the universe.
A new study demonstrates that the shapes of extra dimensions can be "seen" by deciphering their influence on cosmic energy released by the violent birth of the universe 13 billion years ago. The method, published today (Feb. 2) in Physical Review Letters, provides evidence that physicists can use experimental data to discern the nature of these elusive dimensions - the existence of which is a critical but as yet unproven element of string theory, the leading contender for a unified "theory of everything."
Scientists developed string theory, which proposes that everything in the universe is made of tiny, vibrating strings of energy, to encompass the physical principles of all objects from immense galaxies to subatomic particles. Though currently the front-runner to explain the framework of the cosmos, the theory remains, to date, untested.
The mathematics of string theory suggests that the world we know is not complete. In addition to our four familiar dimensions - three-dimensional space and time - string theory predicts the existence of six extra spatial dimensions, "hidden" dimensions curled in tiny geometric shapes at every single point in our universe.
Don't worry if you can't picture a 10-dimensional world. Our minds are accustomed to only three spatial dimensions and lack a frame of reference for the other six, says UW-Madison physicist Gary Shiu, who led the new study. Though scientists use computers to visualize what these six-dimensional geometries could look like (see image), no one really knows for sure what shape they take.
The new Wisconsin work may provide a long-sought foundation for measuring this previously immeasurable aspect of string theory.
According to string theory mathematics, the extra dimensions could adopt any of tens of thousands of possible shapes, each shape theoretically corresponding to its own universe with its own set of physical laws.
For our universe, "Nature picked one - and we want to know what that one looks like," explains Henry Tye, a physicist at Cornell University who was not involved in the new research.
Shiu says the many-dimensional shapes are far too small to see or measure through any usual means of observation, which makes testing this crucial aspect of string theory very difficult. "You can theorize anything, but you have to be able to show it with experiments," he says. "Now the problem is, how do we test it?"
He and graduate student Bret Underwood turned to the sky for inspiration.
Their approach is based on the idea that the six tiny dimensions had their strongest influence on the universe when it itself was a tiny speck of highly compressed matter and energy - that is, in the instant just after the big bang.
"Our idea was to go back in time and see what happened back then," says Shiu. "Of course, we couldn't really go back in time."
Lacking the requisite time machine, they used the next-best thing: a map of cosmic energy released from the big bang. The energy, captured by satellites such as NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP), has persisted virtually unchanged for the last 13 billion years, making the energy map basically "a snapshot of the baby universe," Shiu says. The WMAP experiment is the successor to NASA's Cosmic Background Explorer (COBE) project, which garnered the 2006 Nobel Prize in physics.
Just as a shadow can give an idea of the shape of an object, the pattern of cosmic energy in the sky can give an indication of the shape of the other six dimensions present, Shiu explains.
To learn how to read telltale signs of the six-dimensional geometry from the cosmic map, they worked backward. Starting with two different types of mathematically simple geometries, called warped throats, they calculated the predicted energy map that would be seen in the universe described by each shape. When they compared the two maps, they found small but significant differences between them.
Their results show that specific patterns of cosmic energy can hold clues to the geometry of the six-dimensional shape - the first type of observable data to demonstrate such promise, says Tye.
Though the current data are not precise enough to compare their findings to our universe, upcoming experiments such as the European Space Agency's Planck satellite should have the sensitivity to detect subtle variations between different geometries, Shiu says.
"Our results with simple, well-understood shapes give proof of concept that the geometry of hidden dimensions can be deciphered from the pattern of cosmic energy," he says. "This provides a rare opportunity in which string theory can be tested."
Technological improvements to capture more detailed cosmic maps should help narrow down the possibilities and may allow scientists to crack the code of the cosmic energy map - and inch closer to identifying the single geometry that fits our universe.
The implications of such a possibility are profound, says Tye. "If this shape can be measured, it would also tell us that string theory is correct."
The new work was funded by grants from the National Science Foundation, the U.S. Department of Energy, and the Research Corp.
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The above post is reprinted from materials provided by University of Wisconsin-Madison. Note: Materials may be edited for content and length.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/02/070203103355.htm
Quote from: zorgon on August 30, 2015, 08:42:33 PM
That is where your way of thinking and my way of thinking are totally OPPOSITES :P
But that's a good thing, as having people with opposing ways of thinking looking at some problem is the best way of solving it. :)
QuoteBut new discoveries and frontiers are not made by your way of thinking :P
Maybe, but it's the way of thinking that does the work to see if the discoveries are real or not. :)
(http://images.sciencedaily.com/2007/02/070203103355_1_540x360.jpg)
One thing to keep in mind when we are talking about hyperdimensional manifolds and string theory is that the extra dimensions they describe are at the subatomic scale. A black hole would produce a dimensional extension on the cosmic scale, so not a local extra dimension, but another volume of space time, another universe.
I do think that each type of subatomic spin is represented by another subatomic spacial dimension and that the various types of spin are determined by the unique geometry of each of those subatomic dimensions. I like to think that is just the way the creator does things.
(http://images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org/08/2/2/4/97413122545219246.png)
Maybe it's possible that we can be inspired by things beyond our immediate point in time, something similar to Sarfatti's future quantum radiation theory. I like to think so. Maybe this creative energy finds it way to people like science fiction writers and ancient sages. How many scientists have been inspired by science fiction? Maybe inspiration is the mother of invention? :)
Cosmo
Cosmic Search Casts Doubts on Our Understanding of Galaxies and Black Holes
After monitoring 24 pulsars with the Parkes Radio Telescope for 11 years, new research casts doubt on our understanding of galaxies and black holes.
For scientists gravitational waves exert a powerful appeal, as it is believed they carry information allowing us to look back into the very beginnings of the Universe. Although there is strong circumstantial evidence for their existence, they have not yet been directly detected.
The work, led by Dr Ryan Shannon (of CSIRO and the International Center for Radio Astronomy Research), is published in the journal Science.
Using Parkes, the scientists expected to detect a background 'rumble' of the waves, coming from the merging galaxies throughout the Universe, but they weren't there.
The world-first research has caused scientists to think about the Universe in a different way.
"This is probably the most comprehensive, high precision science that's ever been undertaken in this field of astronomy," Dr Shannon said.
"By pushing ourselves to the limits required for this sort of cosmic search we're moving into new frontiers in all areas of physics, forcing ourselves to understand how galaxies and black holes work."
The fact that gravitational waves weren't detected goes against all theoretical calculations and throws our current understanding of black holes into question.
Galaxies grow by merging and every large one is thought to have a supermassive black hole at its heart. When two galaxies unite, the black holes are drawn together and form an orbiting pair. At this point, Einstein's theory is expected to take hold, with the pair predicted to succumb to a death spiral, sending ripples known as gravitational waves through space-time, the very fabric of the Universe.
(http://scitechdaily.com/images/Cosmic-Research-Leads-to-New-Ideas-about-Black-Holes.jpg)
The lack of gravity waves can be explained if there is not a distortion of space-time as is currently accepted by science, but instead, gravity is being caused by a flow of the ETHER. Yes, I think that is it exactly. Not a distortion of space-time, but a flow of superfluidic ETHER.
Cosmo
Gravity's Rainbow
Could scientists soon discover a parallel universe? New data from the extra powerful Large Hadron Collider is being analysed
'Atom smasher' at Cern, Geneva is turned up to its highest level
This means it could detect miniature black holes - a sign of a 'multiverse'
Ongoing experiment at the LHC could shed new light on the universe
'Just as many parallel sheets of paper, which are two dimensional objects (breath and length) can exist in a third dimension (height), parallel universes can also exist in higher dimensions' Cern employee Mir Faizal from the University of Waterloo told Dailymail.com.
'We predict that gravity can leak into extra dimensions, and if it does, then miniature black holes can be produced at the LHC.'
He said: 'Normally, when people think of the multiverse, they think of the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, where every possibility is actualised.
'This cannot be tested and so it is philosophy and not science.
'This is not what we mean by parallel universes.
'What we mean is real universes in extra dimensions,' ZME Science reported.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/03/19/26C86BA700000578-3001664-image-a-59_1426724014467.jpg)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3280977/Are-scientists-discover-parallel-universe-Large-Hadron-Collider-powered-incredible-experiment.html
So...gravity LEAKING into other dimensions producing black holes?
We've been taught that gravity is a DISTORTION of the FABRIC of space-time.
A solid, or a fabric does not LEAK. A FLUID leaks.
GRVAITY is the result of space-time(SUPERFLUIDIC ETHER!) FLOWING into subatomic black holes. Every black hole is an extension of space-time, producing another volume of space-time, a new universe.
Gravity is a flow. Inertia is a wave.
Cosmo
Interesting theories Cosmo.
Not sure if its a new theory suggestion on Gravity and Blackholes or if its been considered before the new data from the LHC.
This is another related article that I found.. I like the image and its something that visually seems to connect with me.
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Chasing Wormholes: The Hunt for Tunnels in Space-Time.
(http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/LbAsdwI_Q6wQuCIaB4gujA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NfbGVnbztmaT1maWxsO2g9NDMxO3B5b2ZmPTA7cT03NTt3PTU3NQ--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/News/SPACE.com/Chasing_Wormholes_The_Hunt_for-c3c34bd6fbf1dfd031a094024561eafd)
Science fiction literature is full of stories in which tunnels in space-time — known as wormholes — are used for time travel. How much fact lies within the fiction? The answer is, more than you might think. Scientists are looking at ways to use traversable wormholes (if they exist) to travel faster than the speed of light — and even to travel through time itself.
"A traversable wormhole is a hyperspace tunnel, also called a throat, that connects together two remotely distant regions within our universe, or two different universes — if other universes exist — or two different periods in time, as in time travel, or different dimensions of space," physicist Eric Davis told Space.com by email.
Davis specializes in the field of space-time as a member of the Tau Zero Foundation, where he uses equations from Einstein's general theory of relativity to think about possible (or impossible) designs for traversable wormholes, warp drives and time machines.
Building a wormhole
Wormholes were first proposed in 1916 by mathematician Ludwig Flamm, who was toying around with equations from Einstein's theory of general relativity that describe how gravity can curve space-time, which refers to the fabric of physical reality. While these tunnels through space-time are a fascinating theoretical possibility, according to physicist Kip Thorne, a professor emeritus at the California Institute of Technology, scientists have not yet come up with an agreed-upon way that wormholes could form in nature, and no wormholes have ever been detected.
Thorne and some of his colleagues also showed that even if a wormhole appeared, it would likely collapse before an object (or person) could pass through it. To keep the wormhole open long enough to traverse it would require some kind of scaffolding, but normal matter wouldn't stand up to the job — it would require an "exotic material."
"Dark energy is one form of naturally occurring exotic matter whose negative pressure produces the gravitationally repulsive force that pushes the space inside our universe outward, thus producing the inflationary expansion of the universe," Davis said.
Along with dark energy, scientists also know of an exotic material called dark matter, which is five times more prevalent in the universe than regular matter. To date, scientists have been unable to directly detect either dark matter or dark energy, so much about them is still unknown. Scientists can learn about these materials, though, by examining the effect they have on the space around them.
According to Ali Övgün of Eastern Mediterranean University in Cyprus, it's possible that wormholes could form where dark matter is present, and thus that they could exist in the outer regions of the Milky Way, where dark matter lies, as well as within other galaxies. Övgün is working to prove that wormholes could exist in regions dense with dark matter. He and his colleagues have run simulations that show that wormholes in dense regions of dark matter found in galactic halos would satisfy the physical requirements scientists think the tunnels require.
"But it is only mathematical proof," Övgün said. "I hope one day it will be possible to also find direct experimental evidence."
View galleryChasing Wormholes: The Hunt for Tunnels in Space-T …
An artist's image of a hypothetical spacecraft that could be used to travel through a wormhole.
So, what happens to a person or instrument traveling through a wormhole?
"Nothing! The space-time geometry of traversable wormholes requires that there be no nasty, intolerable gravitational tidal forces acting upon the spacecraft or its passengers while they move through the wormhole tunnel," Davis said. "They go into the throat at their departure location near Earth and get shunted through the tunnel to emerge out the other side near the destination star."
Because these theoretical tunnels cut through space-time, they would allow travelers to achieve speeds that appear to an outside observer to be faster than light (FTL). However, from the travelers' points of view, they would never actually outpace the speed of light — it would just seem that way to outside observers because the travelers would be taking a route that's shorter than they would have taken through ordinary space.
Before scientists could use wormholes, they would first have to find them. To date, wormholes have not been discovered. However, if they exist, locating a tunnel through space-time may not be as difficult as it sounds.
"As it is visualized in the movie 'Interstellar,' in the future, there will be some experiments to observe [wormholes] indirectly," Övgün said.
Based on certain wormhole theories, he compared peering through a wormhole to Alice's glimpse through the looking glass, in Lewis Carroll's novel of the same name. The region of space at the far end of the tunnel should stand out from the area around the entrance thanks to distortions that would be similar to the reflection in curved mirrors. Another indication may be the way light is concentrated as it moves through the wormhole tunnel, much as the wind blows through a physical tunnel.
Davis refers to what is seen at the near end of a wormhole as a "rainbow caustic effect." Such effects could be seen from a distance.
"Astronomers were planning to use telescopes to hunt for these rainbow caustics as a sign of a naturally occurring, or even an alien-made, traversable wormhole," Davis said. "I never heard if that project got off the ground."
Traveling through time
As part of his study of wormholes, Thorne also proposed a thought experiment in which a wormhole could be used as a time machine. Thought experiments about time travel often run into paradoxes. Perhaps the most famous of these is the grandfather paradox: If an explorer went back in time and killed his or her grandfather, that person could not be born, and would never have gone back in time in the first place. This seems to suggest that backward time travel is impossible, but according to Davis, Thorne's work opened up a new avenue for scientists to explore.
"An entire cottage industry of theoretical physics was born after that, which led to the development of other space-time techniques that can produce causal, nonparadox time machines," Davis said.
But although using wormholes for time travel may appeal to fans of fiction (and those who'd like to change their past), Davis said current theories show that to make a wormhole time machine, one or both ends of the tunnel would need to be accelerated to velocities approaching the speed of light.
"It would be extremely difficult to construct a wormhole time machine," Davis said. "It's relatively much simpler to use wormholes for FTL interstellar travel between the stars."
Other physicists have suggested that using a wormhole to travel through time would cause a massive buildup of energy that would destroy the tunnel just before it could be utilized as a time machine — a process known as quantum back reaction. Nonetheless, it is still fun to dream about the potential.
"Think of all the possibilities of what people could do and the discoveries they could make if they could travel through time," Davis said. "Their adventures would be very interesting, to say the least."
(http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/LbAsdwI_Q6wQuCIaB4gujA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NfbGVnbztmaT1maWxsO2g9NDMxO3B5b2ZmPTA7cT03NTt3PTU3NQ--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/News/SPACE.com/Chasing_Wormholes_The_Hunt_for-c3c34bd6fbf1dfd031a094024561eafd)
http://news.yahoo.com/chasing-wormholes-hunt-tunnels-space-time-105905307.html
QuoteCould scientists soon discover a parallel universe? New data from the extra powerful Large Hadron Collider is being analysed
'Atom smasher' at Cern, Geneva is turned up to its highest level
This means it could detect miniature black holes - a sign of a 'multiverse'
Ongoing experiment at the LHC could shed new light on the universe
'Just as many parallel sheets of paper, which are two dimensional objects (breath and length) can exist in a third dimension (height), parallel universes can also exist in higher dimensions' Cern employee Mir Faizal from the University of Waterloo told Dailymail.com.
'We predict that gravity can leak into extra dimensions, and if it does, then miniature black holes can be produced at the LHC.'
QuoteSo...gravity LEAKING into other dimensions producing black holes?
We've been taught that gravity is a DISTORTION of the FABRIC of space-time.
A solid, or a fabric does not LEAK. A FLUID leaks.
GRVAITY is the result of space-time(SUPERFLUIDIC ETHER!) FLOWING into subatomic black holes. Every black hole is an extension of space-time, producing another volume of space-time, a new universe.
Gravity is a flow. Inertia is a wave.
Cosmo
Among the 2 leading theories concerning the nature of gravity, the one that proposes that gravitons (alleged sub atomic particles) as the source of gravity, turns out to be incorrect now that we have hands on experience with creating or amplifying gravity.
The other theory, that turns out to be the correct one, is that gravity is indeed a wave.
These are the results of moving from the theoretical realm to the practical realm.
Astro,
That picture shows a wormhole connecting two points in the same universe. What if the spatial extensions of a black hole produce a DIFFERENT volume of space time, a NEW universe, and not the one we reside in? http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6829.0
Quote from: A51Watcher on October 22, 2015, 02:19:23 AM
Among the 2 leading theories concerning the nature of gravity, the one that proposes that gravitons (alleged sub atomic particles) as the source of gravity, turns out to be incorrect now that we have hands on experience with creating or amplifying gravity.
The other theory, that turns out to be the correct one, is that gravity is indeed a wave.
These are the results of moving from the theoretical realm to the practical realm.
So, your results show that gravity is a wave? Can you share?
Scientist have not yet been able to detect gravity waves.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/nope-we-have-not-detected-gravitational-waves-yet-180954101/?no-ist
So, how does a wave hold us to this planet? There may be ETHER waves, but those are not what causes gravity.
Inertia is a wave in a superfluid.( http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6666.0 ) That is demonstrated in space when an object has accelerated to a certain speed, it will continue to travel at that speed unless it hits some matter(planet, dust, etc). Also there is not G-force when an object has obtained a certain speed. These things are true because the ETHER is a superfluid and does not provide resistance. Keep in mind that current physics accepts the existence of the Higgs Field and it pervades the entire universe. I believe, like Tesla, that all matter and energy are distortions of that primary medium. The article about Gravity's Rainbow talks about subatomic extensions of space-time with space-time flowing into them. Only a fluid flows and there are ideas that I agree with that it is the flow of space-time(ETHER) into subatomic particles that produces what we call gravity. So, again, I say that gravity is a flow and inertia is a wave. We are just a collection of distortions in a primary medium that acts collectively like a wave when in motion in a superfluid. That is inertia. That is why, once you have accelerated to a certain speed, you no longer feel the G-force.
There is evidence that it is possible to produce a wave or impulse in the ETHER.
Dr. Evgeny Podkletnov on the Impulse Gravity-Generator
(http://members.tele2.nl/kovavla/pictures/podkletnov_impulse_generator.JPG)
http://www.americanantigravity.com/files/articles/Podkletnov-Interview.pdf
But ...is is not "gravity" as we experience it. It is a pulse and a pulse or a wave does not provide constant G force we experience as gravity.
Gravity is a flow and Inertia is a wave.
Cosmo
Yes as much as I referred to that image maybe meaning something to me... I could equally envision it looking in another similar way and entering into another Universe rather than just passing thru to another part within the same universe or galaxy..
Would this other eg scenerio be just an example of a Parallel or maybe even Multiverses or both ?
I have not spent the time in study as yet to really be able to make any real valid comments... It can be seen as a very complex subject with several views...I am struggling for time and focus on this subject that deserves more response.
You seem to have done quite a lot of work and a great thread and attempt to understand it...
The eg where you see a comparison to say a Solar system..with what seems like a stretched piece of Space time that may for eg look like a large taught stretchable square piece of fabric in a Horizontal position... then a larger maybe heavier weighted ball is dropped onto it and the ball moves to the centre.. then you drop smaller balls onto the same fabric and they start to rotate around the larger ball acting like planets around the sun in a solar system... the big ball acting like either a sun or larger planet and the small ball acting like planets revolving around the sun or moons around a planet... The Weight of the larger object creates the fabric to form in a way that allows the smaller balls to say initially rotate/ revolve around when in initial motion like an orbit...and it maybe seen that the larger mass attracts the smaller masses towards it..This maybe seen as a form of gravity I wonder...
I used to consider Gravity being like a relation between the Masses of the large and smaller masses and the distortion within the fabric..
but when you have a similar thing but it has a HOLE in the Centre.. resembling a Black Hole... then any objects on the fabric are eventually drawn to the centre.like water going down a hole in a basin and in this case go thru the hole..
where the objects go after is then the question ! with ref if it is a black hole.
Gravity may create a Flow but Im not sure if its a flow.
Is Gravity a Wave or a Flow....
I think of waves like the Electro Magnetic spectrum...sine waves for eg with light or radio, gama micro etc..
Is A51 suggesting Gravity is something along these lines ?
Distortion also being a connection..
This is a thread I posted elsewhere on Multiverses.. Im not sure if this may also be related to your topic..
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=8729.0
QuoteAstro,
That picture shows a wormhole connecting two points in the same universe. What if the spatial extensions of a black hole produce a DIFFERENT volume of space time, a NEW universe, and not the one we reside in?
Just some layman type thoughts!
There are at least two things that simply "exist" in our Universe. And, while it seems that neither of these is fully understood, we think we at least kinda know one of them, because it is all around us!! The better known thing is the forever existence of "gravitational force". The other "thing" that seems to be equally forever existing is "dark matter", the which man pretty well admits "we really know nothing about it". Of course, we all have magnets, and know about the attraction and repulsion forces they present, as they give us some elemental picture of gravitational forces. But "dark matter" is totally different, as we really know NOTHING about it, except that it does exist, and that it is black, because we cannot see it.
WHOA!! In looking on wiki at the subject of dark matter, I find that there is a 3rd "thing" that needs to be listed in my group of things that simply "exist" - "dark energy". While dark energy is an "unknown" form of energy, it must play some very important huge role in the existence of our Universe.
From wiki - "the best current measurements indicate that dark energy contributes 68.3% of the total energy in the present-day observable universe". Dark matter neither emits nor absorbs light or any other electromagnetic radiation at any significant level. According to the Planck mission team, and based on the standard model of cosmology, the total mass–energy of the known universe contains 4.9% ordinary matter, 26.8% dark matter and 68.3% dark energy. Thus, dark matter is estimated to constitute 84.5% of the total matter in the universe, while dark energy plus dark matter constitute 95.1% of the total mass–energy content of the universe.
So, if we can take what has been put on wiki about these "matters" as somewhat having reasonable basis, then doesn't the conclusion that dark energy and dark matter "constitutes 95.1% of the total mass-energy content of the universe" give us reason to totally admit that "we do not really know much about the reality of the universe in which we live"?? Ordinary matter of all of the planets and all of the stars, which we do kinda know about, only account for 4.9% of the total mass-energy of the known universe.
WOW! Do we/man admit that 95% of all that exists, we literally know nothing about? And if that is true, then aren't we severely handicapped with the accuracy of any conclusions we might come to, relative to anything "outside our own front yard"?? :) Like whether there is a wormhole in the center of our own galaxy? - are wormholes and black holes friends or enemies - can they exist together, if they do exist? Aren't black holes noted to be at the centers of galaxies too? Are black holes actually wormholes??
Gravity. dark matter, and dark energy - do these hold the enabler-keys to our understanding for moving into highly advanced interstellar space travel? Can we possibly even do it without at least having a reasonably well known understanding of their existence, and what we must do to interact with them for successful interstellar travel??!! 8)
(http://www.echoesofenoch.com/clipart_scifi_spaceships_005.gif)
Quote from: COSMO on October 22, 2015, 10:59:26 AM
QuoteQuote from: A51Watcher on October 21, 2015, 06:19:23 PM
Among the 2 leading theories concerning the nature of gravity, the one that proposes that gravitons (alleged sub atomic particles) as the source of gravity, turns out to be incorrect now that we have hands on experience with creating or amplifying gravity.
The other theory, that turns out to be the correct one, is that gravity is indeed a wave.
These are the results of moving from the theoretical realm to the practical realm.
QuoteSo, your results show that gravity is a wave? Can you share?
Yep they do and sure I can.
Here is a sample of my results -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83EdIKhBbeM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83EdIKhBbeM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83EdIKhBbeM)
These craft display a total disregard for the laws of mass and inertia.
Instant acceleration to full speed then instantaneous stop with no deceleration. Speed approx 15K.
Also 90 degree turns at that speed with no deceleration.
Here is the explanation of gravity waves from the physicist who allowed me to witness the results I did -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPpQNpaXk3Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPpQNpaXk3Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPpQNpaXk3Y)
This hands on experience with gravity propulsion craft have also shown us that gravity distorts both space and time, although I'm not sure if it distorts both at an equal rate.
If you place a candle in a gravity A distortion field, the flicker of the flame will appear to slow down to an imperceptible crawl.
We also observe differences in atomic clocks when separated by altitude.
Also the gravity amplifiers contain a pair of tuned horns similar to microwave horns used for transmission and are about 3.9 ft in length as I recall.
I also have film of one of these craft appearing to stretch like taffy it is moving so fast, which we naturally might think of as blur on the film.
However in the next frame this stretch snaps in 2 and we have a distinct image of two separate craft in one frame.
In the next frame it returns to a single craft.
So in a 1/30th of a second slice of time, we have an image of a single craft appearing twice in the same image.
Is this a distortion of time or space?
Astronomers see this phenomenon all the time when viewing distant galaxies, seeing multiple distorted images of the same galaxy in different parts of the sky, due to 'gravity lensing'.
So it would appear to me to be a spatial distortion.
I was debating someone who thought it was a time distortion, and one bright cookie who was listening said she thought it was both! 8)
Anyway, as you are someone who is obviously educated and keen on the subject and constantly researching, thought I would pass along some helpful tips on which forks in the roads of theories have turned out to be correct so far.
Hi A51,
Thanks for posting the video from that Physicist... ???
I assume others may know who he is ? and may have seen the other video...but I maybe wrong :)
I don't think that I have seen that before or if I have, at the time I may not have understood it...I think I seen him do a similar presentation but on another related topic..
I wonder how many others that he may have done ?
I think that I have a better understanding now...
It was the "Gravity A" wave that I did not grasp or realize if I had seen it before.. But I can envision that it does make some sort of sense... It seems its some force bonding together the atom or may the whole of Matter (as Matter is made of Atoms)
but then again Im not sure if their may have been other terms used in the past such as strong Force or something long those lines. or maybe Nuclear force..that I think are Forces described in Atomic Structures.
He does suggest that they are Waves and have the same properties of the likes of the Electro Magnetic Spectrum..
Ampitude, wavelength and frequency..like the sign wave forms and like Radio, Micro, Light , X Ray and Gama rays or waves..which actually most of these are also described as forms of Radiation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum
seems we have descriptions of RAYs and WAVES...
Not quite sure how Rays vary from Waves..
but Light being both a wave and a Particle...
Does Gravity effect Light both as a wave and a particle I wonder ?
Probably so..
QuoteIn physics, the term light sometimes refers to electromagnetic radiation of any wavelength, whether visible or not.[4][5] In this sense, gamma rays, X-rays, microwaves and radio waves are also light. Like all types of light, visible light is emitted and absorbed in tiny "packets" called photons, and exhibits properties of both waves and particles. This property is referred to as the wave–particle duality
The other eg of Gravity in relation to the Solar System was what I had a better understanding of prior...
Gravity seems to have ref to Matter... But I wonder how it may relate with the likes of Dark Matter with ref to Rdunks post (Assuming it exists) and Anti Matter !
We are led to believe from some sources such Interstella travel is already possible..but maybe ET related only as yet..
Not sure if we have captured such craft if they have fully worked out how we can do such feats and it maybe a case that the Dark Matter / energy is another part to understanding it...and I am not aware we have prove or fully understood that as yet.
Rdunk
QuoteGravity. dark matter, and dark energy - do these hold the enabler-keys to our understanding for moving into highly advanced interstellar space travel? Can we possibly even do it without at least having a reasonably well known understanding of their existence, and what we must do to interact with them for successful interstellar travel??!!
A51
QuoteHere is the explanation of gravity waves from the physicist who allowed me to witness the results I did -
Hi A51,
I'm sorry, I thought you meant you were working on something that produced conclusive results. I am familiar with Bob's video but to be honest all I see is a bright spot of light and even if it was a true gravity modification craft, I don't see how that video proves that gravity is a wave. Has Bob's statements been proven to be accurate? I think it may be possible, but we don't have proof. Have you been holding out? ;D
A craft that defies gravity may utilize wave generation(a ship on the ocean wouldn't), but we do not experience it that way on the surface of our planet and science has failed so far to detect any gravity waves. What we experience as gravity is more suggestive of a constant force, a constant flow. It would also explain why gravity gets stronger the closer you get to the planet. It fits right with the theory that it is this flow into subatomic black hoes that drives subatomic rotation. I think that is quite possible as it just fits in with nature's way. It is all around us on this planet and in the universe. As plain as the nose on your face.
There is evidence that suggests that space-time is a superfluid and that would fit in with Gravity's Rainbow because a fabric does not leak, a solid does not leak but a superfluid would.
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6666.0
I am eagerly waiting on CERN's new results to see if subatomic black holes are generated. That would help to validate the Gravity's Rainbow theory.
Cosmo
Gravity Wave Clouds
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Wave_cloud.jpg)
(https://prof77.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/gravity-waves-australia.jpg)
(http://blog.weatherflow.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/wave_clouds1.jpg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_wave
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Working on gravity waves with CHINAQuoteGravWave® LLC is a Company dedicated to the research, development, and manufacture of products involving the generation, detection, and application of High-Frequency Gravitational Waves or "HFGWs," utilizing patented, proprietary technology. Founded in 2000, it is the first company to pioneer efforts to create important practical, commercial and military high-technology applications for HFGWs. Such applications include, but are not be limited to, communication, propulsion, remote force generation, imaging, energy generation, radioactive-waste-free nuclear-energy generation, astronomy, and applied physics. The Corporation's mission is accomplished through rigorous research and experiments reported in peer-reviewed scientific journals. These efforts lead to the development, manufacture, production, and sale of nano-, micro-, and macro-scale HFGW devices and equipments many of which are utilized to improve the quality of life. Current and future patents are obtained in order to protect the Corporation's intellectual property rights. Royalties, through diverse royalty agreements, provide a recurring stream of income. Cooperative strategic alliances and joint ventures are established contractually with research institutions and enabling organizations both in the United States and internationally. The Corporation can be reached at drrobertbaker@gravwave.com
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GRAVWAVE TEAM Buzz Aldrin is senior scientific adviser
http://www.gravwave.com/docs/GravWave%20Team%206-22-08.pdf
Quote from: COSMO on October 23, 2015, 05:06:14 PM
Hi A51,
I'm sorry, I thought you meant you were working on something that produced conclusive results. I am familiar with Bob's video but to be honest all I see is a bright spot of light and even if it was a true gravity modification craft, I don't see how that video proves that gravity is a wave.
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No worries. It's because Bob allowed me to witness this display of alien tech. Thus, being the person with first hand experience with such tech, it follows that he has a better grasp of how gravity functions than those without. Current events have used CSI image analysis on my footage AND Bob's, showing MUCH more than 'a bright spot of light'.
Being the photographer of said footage, I can tell you these bright spots were in fact saucer shaped craft about 50 ft wide.
Note the odd movement at first before it settles into a hover. I have much more footage demonstrating more odd movements and odd strobing effects, but that clip was just to demonstrate that I did see the same craft in the same place as Bob an Co. did and my footage very closely resembles Bob's.
Hence Bob is the expert on what these things are and how they operate.
That's how they demonstrate that gravity is a wave.
An observable working model breaking the laws of physics.
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Has Bob's statements been proven to be accurate? I think it may be possible, but we don't have proof. Have you been holding out? ;D
Yes. Dr. Krangle who worked at Los Alamos has recently confirmed Bob's claim of being a physicist with a TS clearance working at Los Alamos.
Bob's claims of what these craft can do has proven to be accurate, based on what I saw and filmed.
A craft that defies gravity may utilize wave generation(a ship on the ocean wouldn't), but we do not experience it that way on the surface of our planet and science has failed so far to detect any gravity waves. What we experience as gravity is more suggestive of a constant force, a constant flow. It would also explain why gravity gets stronger the closer you get to the planet. It fits right with the theory that it is this flow into subatomic black hoes that drives subatomic rotation. I think that is quite possible as it just fits in with nature's way. It is all around us on this planet and in the universe. As plain as the nose on your face.
There is evidence that suggests that space-time is a superfluid and that would fit in with Gravity's Rainbow because a fabric does not leak, a solid does not leak but a superfluid would.
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6666.0
I am eagerly waiting on CERN's new results to see if subatomic black holes are generated. That would help to validate the Gravity's Rainbow theory.
I have no disagreement with your final paragraph. There is much still to be learned.
If you wish to disregard Bob's information that's fine, no skin off my nose. Just thought I'd pass along what I managed to verify of his story in order to save you some work on dead end paths.
I am still curious if anyone has managed to amplify any gravity B waves and what properties they display.
But I am certain that the gravity propulsion craft Bob spilled the beans on, do exist, and were on display for 3 years for anyone to go see for themselves.
And I've got film to prove it.
To all - The bottom line is Bob was telling the truth and so am I. Want to call us liars? Help yourself.
At this point it means nothing to me.
'I'm a million miles away'. 8)
Cosmo - I don't think I've been holding out, but in case you missed it, here is some of the CSI image analysis performed on Bob's footage.
As you will see, it is much more than 'a bright spot of light'.
Bob was quite impressed when he saw this footage and remarked on how accurate it was in displaying exactly what they saw.
He and I both thought for years that's all we had on film, a white blob of light dancing around.
Analysis done in the last couple years show there is much more to be seen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGuiGy1StGg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGuiGy1StGg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGuiGy1StGg)
Another example -
Here is a daytime photo of mailbox road -
(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/mbr1_zps7ffaa0f7.gif)
...and here is a nighttime photo of mailbox road with a cammo dude driving past me, and one of the craft in the upper right -
(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Image14_zpsebe41e9d.png)
using a CAD drawing, it was determined that based on this craft being 50 ft wide, it is approx 2000 ft away from the photographer (me).
...and here is a closeup view of that craft -
(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Myworkingcrop_zpse13b4fc9.jpg)
...and now if we examine what is hidden in the shades of black in this photo, what can we observe? -
(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Image14mr_zpsf548c3f9.jpg)
With a few years experience viewing these frames under different analysis, it becomes clear the processes involved behave exactly as Bob describes them.
What we suspect you are viewing in the above photo is the tight powerful electricity energy lines in the center being produced from the matter-antimatter reactor, and the large red lines under the craft are the gravity waves being produced to cushion or support the craft. The lines in the center could also be the gravity distortion field surrounding the craft instead of being electricity related. Not sure at this point.
What we are sure of is - that no other type of light processes like A51 craft do. It is unique and extraordinary.
These lines change in shape from frame to frame, same goes for the CSI processed frames.
So we suspect that this is due to a very fast energy pulse changing at least 30 times a second as evidenced, but very likely is much faster than that since the changes we observe are not smooth but a bit jumpy. So we are missing some of the action due to our measly 30 fps filming.
According to Bob "The amplifiers pulse individualy at 7.46 hz as this cycle revolves around the disc."
(http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/pulse.jpg)
http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/omi.html (http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/omi.html)
Bob describes propulsion near the ground as being different than for space travel.
The gravity distortion field is pointed forward in a manner where the craft is constantly falling downhill, or constantly trying to fall into a hole but never succeeding.
(http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/wababy02.jpg)
We have frames showing the fields doing exactly that, and behaving exactly as Bob said they do and demonstrated with graphics of how gravity fields form and behave.
Personally I don't need all the additional supporting evidence and witness testimony that is coming to light in the last few years, I knew 25 years ago that this was all true.
Witnessing gravity propulsion craft in action is all it takes. Game over. Case Closed.
All I can do these days as new evidence comes to light is go 'See? TOLD ya so! :P'
;)
eta: deblurring software and techniques allowed us to get the plate numbers off the cammo dudes jeep.
Nevada DMV said those plates were never issued.
(A51 must have their own DMV! HAH!) ;D
Here is Bob's description of the craft constantly falling downhill I mentioned -
(http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/wababy02.jpg)
Other configurations -
(http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/wababy03.jpg)
(http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/wababy04.jpg)
(http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/wababy05.jpg)
(http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/wavefront.jpg)
and the resulting gravity distortion field that envelops the craft -
(http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/distort2.gif)
(http://users.skynet.be/bob.lazar/www.boblazar.com/closed/DISTORTION_long.jpg)
As I mentioned, we have numerous shades of black frames that conform to the shapes shown above.
Just further confirmation that his information is correct.
At this point not even Bob has seen the shades of black confirmation frames.
All to be revealed in an upcoming video.
A51, Thanks for your further explanations and descriptions and Images of how Bobs Craft is suggested to work and defy gravity.
I had seen some of them before on Bobs original website..
but maybe not understood their explanations as clearly at that time.
As I recall we have/had... the power source being from Element 115 and the reactor... and the three Gravity amplifiers that when switched on produce an effect to change the effects of gravity surrounding the craft.. and the 3 amplifiers can alter their positions that enable the craft to move in different directions once it has lifted... To initially lift the craft of the ground all three amplifiers are in what id describe as a vertical position.
The 3 amplifiers described as A, B , C..
Once its lifted.. each amplifier can alter position. and the diagrams show those positions.. of which A & C seem to be the ones who may change into a horizontal position..
I sort of imagine them like thruster's on a aircraft engine..similar to the vertical take off aircraft..that can change direction from a vertical position to a horizontal position.
Except Bobs the ET Craft are not engine like thruster's..but gravity amplifiers that change the position that alters the gravity effect.. and that acts in a similar way to the thruster in terms of how it effects the forces acting on the craft by gravity to move it one way or another..
In the diagrams we may see that as a 2 D effect.. eg such as seeing it move from Left to Right and Right to Left directions as we see it in some of the diagrams..
BUT I suspect the amplifiers move also to allow it to move forward and backwards.. and maybe they are designed to be on a rotating system that allows them to alter the positions anywhere with a 360 degree direction. I should think that is how it would be, and its a clever design.
What I am not sure about however is what is the amplifiers doing in relation to "Gravity A" and "Gravity B" waves as described by Bob..
I got the impression that the thing that our technology would lack in being able to overcome the "Gravity A" effects of Matter..
the breaking of the bonds of Atoms in the matter that are on Earth or connected to the Craft while on Earth and within Earths own gravity..
Is this what the amplifiers are mainly doing ?
or is it reacting to both the "Gravity A" and "Gravity B" effects at the same time..and that is described as Distortion..
I am still not sure how the amplifier goes about altering the effects of gravity... I could say envision something like an electro magnetic device that may alter gravity...but I don't think this is the sort of thing that the amplifiers are doing in terms of how we may think..
I suspect it requires an intense type of power system, say if the power is coming from a Nuclear type of reaction from the Element 115 and its reactor... but is this a type of electo power when working the amplifiers..or is it doing something else..
That the part that I am still uncertain about..
It then says that the Amplifiers are capable of intersecting all 3 gravity beams at an infinate distance from the craft. NOT an infinate point..The Minimum point size of intersection is 100 cm diameter..
I am not sure if I fully understand what this means...
even seeing Bobs drawing that shows a small circular area..is this suggesting that somehow the craft relates to a small point on Earths surface even when its a long distance away and that the surface area needs to be a min of 100 cm dia ?!
Is the Omicron the name for the Amplifiers ? If so I wonder where that name comes from ?
I am not sure if Bob explained the more specific of that in any of his videos..
Is the drawing that of one Bob created ?
QuoteOmicron is frequently used to designate the fifteenth star in a constellation group,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omicron
There is now a Company using that name to do with energy and power systems.
https://www.omicron.at/en/company/
electrical energy systems. They include energy providers and utilities, manufacturers of equipment for the transmission and distribution of electrical power and more.
QuoteWhat we suspect you are viewing in the above photo is the tight powerful electricity energy lines in the center being produced from the matter-antimatter reactor, and the large red lines under the craft are the gravity waves being produced to cushion or support the craft.
QuoteAccording to Bob "The amplifiers pulse individualy at 7.46 hz as this cycle revolves around the disc."
Can you explain what the shades of Black frames are ? is this black and white photo frames or something else ?
look forward if your willing to share your upcoming video.
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As I mentioned, we have numerous shades of black frames that conform to the shapes shown above.
Just further confirmation that his information is correct.
At this point not even Bob has seen the shades of black confirmation frames.
I suspect generally that as the Cameo Dudes or on Government land surrounding Area 51 that they dont need to officially need to have number plates... BUT when they go on to the 375 Highway which they definately do at times.. they have no excuse .. :) and would be breaking the law possibly if they have plates that do not show up on the official system...but as they are Govt associated whos going to challenge them ! :)
Quoteeta: deblurring software and techniques allowed us to get the plate numbers off the cammo dudes jeep.
Nevada DMV said those plates were never issued.
(A51 must have their own DMV! HAH!) ;D
Nice posts A51. Thanks for sharing. I do think that there will always be some that consider Bob's story and all of the evidence still short of proof but the possibilities are fascinating. I wish I could have an experience as you describe. While element 115 has been created, I don't think a stable isotope has. I do think that there are craft using gravity modification principles around. To me the theory behind the flux liner makes sense too.
Quote from: zorgon on October 23, 2015, 08:32:42 PM
Gravity Wave Clouds
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Wave_cloud.jpg)
(https://prof77.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/gravity-waves-australia.jpg)
(http://blog.weatherflow.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/wave_clouds1.jpg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_wave
Hi Z,
Those atmospheric gravity waves are so cool and I have seen them cover half the sky in the late afternoon sun and it looked like something from a psychedelic picture...or maybe that day in '71. lol
Wouldn't it be great if we could find gravitational waves as easily. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_wave
I am aware of the HFGW work, but that is still theoretical at least publicly. I think we all agree that anything that does influence gravity is working with an ether, as did Tesla.
When I think of how we experience gravity on this planet in terms of gravitational waves being the cause, it occurs to me that in the ocean waves do not break on an island evenly and simultaneously on every inch of shore line. If they were gravity waves, then what we call gravity would be quite an uneven and fluctuating phenomenon, and if the waves would break on just one side, would we all be pushed off of the planet??? So, for me, gravity as we experience it on this planet, does not resemble any kind of wave action.
So, this thread about a wormhole in the center of the galaxy is just me following various scientific studies that give us clues on this topic and proposing ideas that support the multiverse theory and the fluidic nature of space-time and also think we have the black hole model wrong along with the big bang. Any idea of field propulsion will have to have this framework correct. The article was about CERN's work and the results are related to this thread. If gravity leaks into subatomic black holes, that is pretty close to the gravity-subatomic black-hole-theory, which relates to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_gravity
We can't forget that it is fundamental to quantum mechanics that the quantum probability wave is a WAVE. The foundation of creation is fluid like. It is a dynamic universe driven by natures flow with everything connected in the timeless quantum realm. That's not theory.
(http://www.fromquarkstoquasars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Quantum-Gravity1.jpg)
Cosmo
I'm not saying there aren't gravity waves, just that they are still looking for them. This is pretty recent. March this year.
Race to detect gravitational waves intensifies
http://astronomynow.com/2015/03/31/race-to-detect-gravitational-waves-intensifies/
(http://astronomynow.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/NANOgrav_nrao_940x400.jpg)
Cosmo
Bubbles and bubbles...
Mystery bright spots could be first glimpse of another universe:
THE curtain at the edge of the universe may be rippling, hinting that there's more backstage. Data from the European Space Agency's Planck telescope could be giving us our first glimpse of another universe, with different physics, bumping up against our own.
That's the tentative conclusion of an analysis by Ranga-Ram Chary, a researcher at Planck's US data centre in California. Armed with Planck's painstaking map of the cosmic microwave background (CMB) – light lingering from the hot, soupy state of the early universe – Chary revealed an eerie glow that could be due to matter from a neighboring universe leaking into ours.
This sort of collision should be possible, according to modern cosmological theories that suggest the universe we see is just one bubble among many. Such a multiverse may be a consequence of cosmic inflation, the widely accepted idea that the early universe expanded exponentially in the slimmest fraction of a second after the big bang.
Once it starts, inflation never quite stops, so a multitude of universes becomes nearly inevitable. "I would say most versions of inflation in fact lead to eternal inflation, producing a number of pocket universes," says Alan Guth of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, an architect of the theory.
Energy hidden in empty space drives inflation, and the amount that's around could vary from place to place, so some regions would eventually settle down and stop expanding at such a manic pace. But the spots where inflation is going gangbusters would spawn inflating universes. And even areas within these new bubbles could balloon into pocket universes themselves.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mystery-bright-spots-could-be-first-glimpse-of-another-universe/
(http://orig00.deviantart.net/2234/f/2012/248/e/f/fractal_universe_by_csuk_1t-d5done0.jpg)
Pocket universes created by inflation...
Is our universe like a leaky, a very leaky balloon???
Inflation is driving the universe, and sustaining torsion, from the subatomic to the cosmic. That is the reoccurring pattern of the creator at all scales of the universe. This same flow at the subatomic scale is the source of gravity. It may be possible that there is matter in our universe that is older THAN our universe! And Z, if we can move upstream in a boat on a river, then I think it would be possible to return to our universe's source bubble...but we could have to find it first and we need SPEED to to that! (or master time) Imagine the ancient civilizations that could exist in a universe that is older than ours! Maybe they visit us...
Cosmo
Quote from: astr0144 on October 24, 2015, 03:46:10 PM
A51, Thanks for your further explanations and descriptions and Images of how Bobs Craft is suggested to work and defy gravity.
I had seen some of them before on Bobs original website..
but maybe not understood their explanations as clearly at that time.
As I recall we have/had... the power source being from Element 115 and the reactor... and the three Gravity amplifiers that when switched on produce an effect to change the effects of gravity surrounding the craft.. and the 3 amplifiers can alter their positions that enable the craft to move in different directions once it has lifted... To initially lift the craft of the ground all three amplifiers are in what id describe as a vertical position.
The 3 amplifiers described as A, B , C..
Once its lifted.. each amplifier can alter position. and the diagrams show those positions.. of which A & C seem to be the ones who may change into a horizontal position..
I sort of imagine them like thruster's on a aircraft engine..similar to the vertical take off aircraft..that can change direction from a vertical position to a horizontal position.
Except Bobs the ET Craft are not engine like thruster's..but gravity amplifiers that change the position that alters the gravity effect.. and that acts in a similar way to the thruster in terms of how it effects the forces acting on the craft by gravity to move it one way or another..
In the diagrams we may see that as a 2 D effect.. eg such as seeing it move from Left to Right and Right to Left directions as we see it in some of the diagrams..
BUT I suspect the amplifiers move also to allow it to move forward and backwards.. and maybe they are designed to be on a rotating system that allows them to alter the positions anywhere with a 360 degree direction. I should think that is how it would be, and its a clever design.
What I am not sure about however is what is the amplifiers doing in relation to "Gravity A" and "Gravity B" waves as described by Bob..
I got the impression that the thing that our technology would lack in being able to overcome the "Gravity A" effects of Matter..
the breaking of the bonds of Atoms in the matter that are on Earth or connected to the Craft while on Earth and within Earths own gravity..
Is this what the amplifiers are mainly doing ?
I think your forgetting that gravity b is 'the weak force' and gravity a is 'the strong force'.
Amplified gravity a is not breaking the bonds of atoms as far as I know. Never heard of such effects.
Near planets it is used to repel or nullify gravity b.
Away from planets it is used to warp time and space to such an extent it pulls your destination towards you.
Quote
I am still not sure how the amplifier goes about altering the effects of gravity... I could say envision something like an electro magnetic device that may alter gravity...but I don't think this is the sort of thing that the amplifiers are doing in terms of how we may think..
I suspect it requires an intense type of power system, say if the power is coming from a Nuclear type of reaction from the Element 115 and its reactor... but is this a type of electo power when working the amplifiers..or is it doing something else..
That the part that I am still uncertain about..
Intense electrical power is required to amplify gravity a waves, that's all.
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It then says that the Amplifiers are capable of intersecting all 3 gravity beams at an infinate distance from the craft. NOT an infinate point..The Minimum point size of intersection is 100 cm diameter..
I am not sure if I fully understand what this means...
even seeing Bobs drawing that shows a small circular area..is this suggesting that somehow the craft relates to a small point on Earths surface even when its a long distance away and that the surface area needs to be a min of 100 cm dia ?!
Is the Omicron the name for the Amplifiers ? If so I wonder where that name comes from ?
I am not sure if Bob explained the more specific of that in any of his videos..
Is the drawing that of one Bob created ?
Yep those hand drawings are by Bob.
Omicron refers to the physical configuration of the amps.
Focusing on a distant point is when they pull the point towards them.
Quote
Can you explain what the shades of Black frames are ? is this black and white photo frames or something else ?
look forward if your willing to share your upcoming video.
The shades of black frame you see above is just displaying what is in the photo that is not 100% black (even though it appears to be to the human eye), and highlighting it in false colors to bring it to our attention .
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I suspect generally that as the Cameo Dudes or on Government land surrounding Area 51 that they dont need to officially need to have number plates... BUT when they go on to the 375 Highway which they definately do at times.. they have no excuse .. :) and would be breaking the law possibly if they have plates that do not show up on the official system...but as they are Govt associated whos going to challenge them ! :)
Sure. They even expanded their boundaries to suit their whims on test nights.
Detain you and confiscate all your recording equipment.
Who's gonna stop em?
Cosmo, I agree the flux liner looks promising.
There is always another way to skin a cat as they say. (Sorry Shasta ;) )
I don't think it would be suitable for interstellar flight, but just nullifying Earth's gravity for our purposes would be a huge leap forward.
I suspect magnetism and gravity are close cousins in the EM spectrum, as their observable effects are similar in many aspects.
I also see no reason why your theory of inertia and other forces being a wave is not also correct, what with them being related to gravity perhaps cousins also.
Keep up the interesting work.
Thanks for explaining and clarifying those details to my questions A51.. as well as some of your comments to Cosmo and how Gravity waves may also relate to the EM spectrum.
If what Bob has said is true...that is quite remarkable..
and it still seems that the main thing that could make that happen is the Element 115 sample as a power source.
I suspect that if at the time Earth did not possess E115 ...that the only explanation would be it came from another extra terrestrial source.
Even though we are led to believe that since we know have some how managed to create some form of E115..I recall Bob saying in one interview he did that there are various forms of it...and it probably would be in a form that Humans may take a long time to replicate or maybe they never will.
I think that I know have a clearer understanding of what is claimed to be by Bob. and to me it could possibly be possible.
Generally it would have been something that the majority of the population would never get to know about if Bob had not ever mentioned it.
and one wonders will anything ever come about it in our lifetime to offer real evidence to it... is the remaining question to me.
Only yourself and a few others claim to have actually witnessed what its connection enables it to do.
but you have been good enough to show us a taster :)
QuoteI think your forgetting that gravity b is 'the weak force' and gravity a is 'the strong force'.
Amplified gravity a is not breaking the bonds of atoms as far as I know. Never heard of such effects.
Near planets it is used to repel or nullify gravity b.
Away from planets it is used to warp time and space to such an extent it pulls your destination towards you.
QuoteIntense electrical power is required to amplify gravity a waves, that's all.
QuoteI suspect magnetism and gravity are close cousins in the EM spectrum, as their observable effects are similar in many aspects.
I also see no reason why your theory of inertia and other forces being a wave is not also correct, what with them being related to gravity perhaps cousins also.
Quote from: COSMO on October 24, 2015, 05:25:36 PM
I'm not saying there aren't gravity waves, just that they are still looking for them.
There HAS to be gravity waves If there are none then we will never achieve a unified field theory :D
Quote from: zorgon on October 30, 2015, 10:44:34 PM
There HAS to be gravity waves If there are none then we will never achieve a unified field theory :D
Hi Z,
It does seem something that should exist. They are pouring a lot of money into LIGO(and others). Maybe they are over looking something or we don't have the model right. At least you would think that large celestial events would cause them, but so far, no dice.
But doesn't that kind model of gravity waves imply that matter and the "gravity wave" are separate phenomenon, not connected, not united, almost like a wave breaking on the shoreline? Maybe if all matter is just a distortion of the same medium that is the source of "gravity", the result would not be as expected?
Maybe in that model, gravity...sorry...gravitational waves would not be detectable or measurable by the methods they are using?
Could it be because it's ALL ocean? Every thing is united in the Higgs Field, aka the quantum realm or the ETHER. Wouldn't that be unification?
I believe that is the case with all of the forces of nature being different types of motion in the ETHER. Tesla and Leedskalnin said that magnetism is like counter rotating screws with positive rotating opposite of negative and Tesla said much the same thing. Light, xrays etc are waves in that medium. Inertia is a wave, gravity is a flow, entanglement is just two particles connected by a black hole that allow the faster than light motion connection. It is not "information". That just a way of saying "we don't know what it is". It is simply superluminal motion in or of the ETHER. Period. Everything has the same birth place and the universe is ONE, not separate, a united thing. That looks like a "unification" to me.
Another factor is that we just see a converted, quantum wave collapsed(science), fixed in space time, material universe, crystallized, in the past, not the quantum ocean of creation. THAT was here...just a faster than light instant ago. The wave collapse is non-local.(science)
So..what EXACTLY is science trying to quantify??? Seems a little like trying to measure the matrix.
(http://www.fakesteve.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/photo_movieMatrix-quoteSpoon.jpeg)
Cosmo
Yeah, what he said...
(http://aetherforce.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/tesla-quote.png)
A physical truth of great importance...
(http://art.ngfiles.com/images/138000/138855_chronamut_cosmic-angel.jpg)
Everything is united in the foundation of creation, the ETHER.
Cosmo
I tried to find a text version of his Suppressed statement..
Rather than having to scroll the image to read it direct.
Upon trying to do so I came across this which I think is from the same source that Cosmo obtained his image from..
which seems very interesting..
but maybe quite technical and require some Technical Electrical / Science background to try and understand it..
I have not added the images..as yet..
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Tesla's Dynamic Theory of Gravity.
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Nikola Tesla's most suppressed work was his theory of gravity.
The lecture which he delivered to the New York Immigrant Society was meant to be a treasure for all mankind. All public copies have been destroyed. Only one researcher, William Lyne has dared to bring it to our attention. The following is an excerpt from his book, Occult Aether Physics.
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According to Tesla's lecture prepared for the Institute of Immigrant Welfare (May. 12, 1938), his "Dynamic Theory of Gravity" was one of two far reaching discoveries, which he "...worked out in all details", in the years 1893 and 1894. The 1938 lecture was less than five years before his death.
More complete statements concerning these discoveries can only be gleaned from scattered and sparse sources, because the papers of Tesla are concealed in government vaults for "national security" reasons. When I specifically asked for these papers at the "National Security Research Center" – now the "Robert J. Oppenheimer Research Center" – in 1979, I was denied access because they were classified, even though on that same day I discovered the plans for the hydrogen bomb on an open shelf, and told a Harvard graduate student about it later in the day at a Santa Fe restaurant. The guy went to Los Alamos, copied the plans, and wrote an expose at Harvard.
In his 1938 lecture, Tesla said he was progressing with the work, and hoped to give the theory to the world "very soon", so it was clearly his intent to "give it to the world", as soon as he had completed his secret developments.
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The "two great discoveries" to which Tesla referred, were:
1. The Dynamic Theory of Gravity – which assumed a field of force which accounts for the motions of bodies in space; assumption of this field of force dispenses with the concept of space curvature (ala Einstein); the ether has an indispensable function in the phenomena (of universal gravity, inertia, momentum, and movement of heavenly bodies, as well as all atomic and molecular matter); and,
2. Environmental Energy – the Discovery of a new physical Truth: there is no energy in matter other than that received from the environment.
The usual Tesla birthday announcement – on his 79th birthday (1935) – Tesla made a brief reference to the theory saying it applies to molecules and atoms as well as to the largest heavenly bodies, and to "...all matter in the universe in any phase of its existence from its very formation to its ultimate disintegration".
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Those imbued with relativist theory often refer to "pure energy" in some "form", but there is no such thing, since "energy" is an abstract "ability" which is always in the future. Who's to say what "form" is "pure", and what form is not?
If the term "energy" is only a convenient abstraction, then it does not exist in physical form, and really describes the potential to perform work as a by-product of matter and electromagnetic radiation in perpetual motion, some of the force of which has been diverted through a path where it performs the desired work, as it goes on its merry way through the universe. Every change of form of either matter or radiation involves the "work" which induces the change, or the "work" which is induced by the change. Without work there is no change, but all work is ultimately the product of the universe in perpetual, self-sustaining motion, as a rule and not an exception.
As for Tesla's theory, we have hints, such as, that the earth is the "star of human birth". In poetic expressions, he hid scientific meanings in statements such as, that using the "thunderbolt of Jove" (the Indo-European sky god), man "annihilates time and space", an allusion to the use of electro-propulsion ("thunderbolts"), to travel so fast, that time and space are "annihilated". Where the government has stolen his papers, we must search for meaning elsewhere. In an article, "Man's Greatest Achievement", Tesla outlined his Dynamic Theory of Gravity in poetic form (as paraphrased by me):
* That the luminiferous ether fills all space
* That the ether is acted upon by the life-giving creative force
* That the ether is thrown into "infinitesimal whirls" ("micro helices") at near the speed of light, becoming ponderable matter
* That when the force subsides and motion ceases, matter reverts to the ether (a form of "atomic decay")
That man can harness these processes, to:
-Precipitate matter from the ether
-Create whatever he wants with the matter and energy derived
-Alter the earth's size
-Control earth's seasons (weather control)
-Guide earth's path through the Universe, like a space ship
-Cause the collisions of planets to produce new suns and stars, heat, and light
-Originate and develop life in infinite forms
Tesla was referring to unlimited energy, derived from the environment. Several of his major free energy discoveries have been the exclusive stolen property of our Secret Government. The conversion of energy to a stronger force – electropulsion – used to control the much weaker gravity force, would accomplish more work in the same amount of time, and produce "over unity" results.
Some of Telsa's unusual conceptualization of the ether had been nonetheless expounded piecemeal, in his preceding 1890's lectures. He later railed against the limited and erroneous theories of Maxwell, Hertz, Lorentz, and Einstein.
Tesla's ether was neither the "solid" ether with the "tenuity of steel" of Maxwell and Hertz, nor the half-hearted, entrained, gaseous ether of Lorentz. Tesla's ether consisted of "carriers immersed in an insulating fluid", which filled all space. Its properties varied according to relative movement, the presence of mass, and the electric and magnetic environment.
Tesla's ether was rigidified by rapidly varying electrostatic forces, and was thereby involved in gravitational effects, inertia, and momentum, especially in the space near earth, since, as explained by Tesla, the earth is "...like a charged metal ball moving through space", which creates the enormous, rapidly varying electrostatic forces which diminish in intensity with the square of the distance from earth, just like gravity. Since the direction of propagation radiates from the earth, the so-called force of gravity is toward earth.
Tesla commenced to complete his Dynamic Theory of Gravity at the same approximate period of time that his experimental results and theories had been revealed in the three lectures, often illustrated with demonstrations using Tesla-invented equipment, as revealed in the following eight excerpts, in pertinent part (emphasis mine):
"The most probable medium filling the space is one consisting of independent carriers immersed in an insulating fluid".
"In his experiments he dwells first on some phenomena produced by electrostatic force, which he considers in the light of modern theories to be the most important force in nature for us to investigate."
"He illustrates how mechanical motions are produced by a varying electrostatic force acting through a gaseous medium."
"One of the most interesting results arrived at in pursuing these experiments, is the demonstration of the fact that a gaseous medium upon which vibration is impressed by rapid changes of electrostatic potential, is rigid".
"If through this medium enormous electrostatic stresses are assumed to act, which vary rapidly in intensity, it would allow the motion of a body through it, yet it would be rigid and elastic, although the fluid itself might be devoid of these properties".
"...on the assumption that the independent carriers are of any configuration such that the fluid resistance to motion in one direction is greater than in another, a stress of that nature would cause the carriers to arrange themselves in groups, since they would turn to each other their sides of the greatest electrical density, in which position the fluid resistance to approach would be smaller than to receding."
"If in a medium of the above characteristics a brush would be formed by a steady potential, an exchange of the carriers would go on continuously, and there would be less carriers per unit volume in the brush than in the space at some distance from the electrode, this corresponding to rarefaction".
"If the potentials were rapidly changing, the result would be very different; the higher the frequency of the pulses, the slower would be the exchange of carriers; finally, the motion of translation through measurable space would cease and, with a sufficiently high frequency and intensity of the stress, the carriers would be drawn towards the electrode, and compression would result."
The eight above excerpts are further reducible to the following four statements pertinent to electro-propulsion technology:
Mechanical motions can be produced by varying electrostatic force acting through a gaseous (ether) medium, which thereby becomes rigidifled, yet allows solid bodies to pass through.
Under influence of stress in one direction (under the polarizing influence of light or heat), the carriers may group together, forming tubes of force, creating greater ease of movement in that direction.
When a (D.C.) brush is created by a steady potential, a continuous exchange of carriers is created corresponding to ether rarefaction, as the tubes of force are drawn into the conductor.
With a sufficiently high frequency and stress intensity in the opposite direction, carrier exchange is blocked by ether compression, forcing the tubes of force to dissolve in the conductors of the ship, imparting electromagnetic momentum. The system, using the two kinds of potentials (D.C. and A.C.), is known as "p2".
The steady potential of the brush creates the required exchange of carriers, 'rarifying' (stretching) the elastic, rigidified medium (composed of the carriers immersed in the insulating fluid) in advance of the ship, as the high frequency A.C. to the rear compresses them, blocking exchange from the rear, dissolving the tubes of force (my "microhelices"), creating instant momentum, normal to the surface (which is at right angles to the electric and magnetic fields).
In 1884, John Henry Poynting's theorem had been that the flux of energy at any place is represented by the vector product of the electric and magnetic forces, multiplied by C/4(pi symbol) 3rd power. This implied that forces in a conductor could be transformed there into other forms. In 1893, J. J. Thomson stated practically the same thing, saying "...the aether is itself the vehicle of mechanical momentum, of amount (l/4 (pi symbol)C (D*B) per unit volume.
(Using e.-s. Units for D and E and e.-m. Units for B and H.)
E = electrical force
D = electrical displacement
H = magnetic force
B = magnetic induction
Heinrich Hertz's theory was that two systems of varying current should exert a ponderomotive force on each other due to the variations. Tesla's disagreement was apparently based on the fact that he proved that the "ponderomotive force" is due not to mere "varying currents"; but to rarefaction and compression of the ether carriers, respectively, produced by different kinds of currents (D.C., A.C., rapidly varying electrostatic).
J.J. Thomson had extensively developed the theory of the moving tubes of force, both magnetic and electric, saying that the magnetic effect was a secondary one created by the movement of electric tubes, and assumed:
* that tubes exist everywhere in space, either in closed circuits or terminating on atoms;
* that electric force becomes perceivable only when electric tubes have greater tendency to lie in one direction;
* that in a steady magnetic field, positive and negative tubes may move in opposite directions with equal velocity;
* that a beam of light is a group of electric tubes moving at C at right angles to their length (providing a good explanation for polarization of the plane of rotation).
Tesla said his "dirigible torpedo" would fly at a maximum 300 miles per second, perhaps since its forward velocity would be some maximum fraction of C. Thomson's later publishings on this subject followed Tesla's 1891 lectures before the Royal Society in London, and appear to shed light on Tesla's work, stating:
* that a ponderomotive force is exerted on a conductor carrying electric current, consisting of a transfer of mechanical momentum from the agent which exerts the force to the body which experiences it;
* that, if moving tubes entering a conductor are dissolved in it, mechanical momentum is given to the conductor;
* that such momentum must be at right angles to the tube and to the magnetic induction;
* that momentum stored in a unit volume of the field is proportional to the vector product of electric and magnetic vectors.
"Thomson's" "Electromagnetic Momentum" hypothesis was later developed by H. Poincare' and by M. Abraham.
By 1910, it was said that the consequence of these pronouncements left three alternatives:
Modify the theory to reduce to zero the resultant force on an element of free aether (as with Maxwell, Hertz, and Einstein);
Assume the force sets aether in motion (as with Helmholtz);
Accept the principle that aether is the vehicle of mechanical momentum of amount [D*B] per unit volume (as with Poynting and J. J. Thomson).
Whittaker's greatest error was in omitting Tesla's theory entirely. After Tesla's experiments verified it, right in front of the esteemed members of the "Royal Academy", the "three (later) alternatives" were moot, and a new law existed, that of Tesla.
Tesla's Secrecy
Due to his pacifist sympathies, Tesla originally contemplated giving his electric flying machine to the Geneva Convention or League of Nations, for use in 'policing the world' to prevent war. Later disillusioned after WWI with the collapse of the League, he said he'd "...underestimated man's combative capacity".
In 1919, his reason for increased secrecy emerged in an interview with Frederick M. Kerby, for "Resolution" magazine, while discussing a "three-hour" airplane between New York and London: "...we have here the appalling prospect of a war between nations at a distance of thousands of miles, with weapons so destructive and demoralizing that the world could not endure them. That is why there must be no more war." With the government's spurning of his defense suggestions, Tesla's only recourse was to withhold his secrets from the world, and to dissuade discovery in their direction.
In 1929, Tesla ridiculed Heinrich Hertz's 1887-89 experiments purportedly proving the Maxwellian "structureless" ether filling all space, "of inconceivable tenuity yet solid and possessed of rigidity incomparably greater than the hardest steel". Tesla's arguments were to the contrary, saying he had always believed in a "gaseous" ether in which he had observed waves more akin to sound waves. He recounted how he had developed a "new form of vacuum tube" in 1896 (which I call the "Tesla bulb"), "...capable of being charged to any desired potential, and operated it with effective pressures of about 4,000,000 volts." He described how purplish coronal discharges about the bulb when in use, verified the existence of "particles smaller than air", and a gas so light that an earth-sized volume would weigh only 1/20 pound. He further said sound waves moved at the velocity of light through this medium.
Tesla mentioned using his special tube to investigate cosmic rays, saying that when its emanations were impinged upon a target material, radioactive emissions resulted, and that radioactive bodies were simply "targets" continuously bombarded by "infinitesimal bullets projected from all parts of the universe", without which "all radioactivity would cease." His description of these "bullets" was similar to the ZPR.
On Apr. 15, 1932, Tesla said Einstein's theory regarding changing matter into force, and force into matter, was "absurd". He compared this to the difference between body and mind, saying force is a "...function of matter", and that, just as a mind could not exist without a body, "...without matter, there can be no force."
On Sept. 11, 1932 (New York Herald Tribune), Tesla derided the Maxwellian/Hertzian ether, while saying that higher frequency waves "...follow the curvature of the earth and bend around obstacles", yet in an Apr. 8, 1934 New York Times letter, said that short waves for "power purposes" of the 'wireless art', were inappropriate, and that power will travel in "long waves". His 1929 attack on the Maxwellian/Hertzian ether theory – 39 years afterward, during the advent of Relativism – seemed relevant only to his concealed theory, not to disclose it or promote it, but to conceal it.
THE NATURE OF ELECTRICITY
What were the old ether physicists referring to when they attempted to describe "an incompressible, perfect fluid"? What would a "perfect fluid" do? It would be able to "wet" everything it came into contact with, such as protons, and could flow everywhere without resistance. One "fluid" – the ether – could flow everywhere, and because of its density and ultra-fineness, nothing could stop it, and it felt no resistance, but only matter felt resistance, depending on the circumstances. Another fluid – electricity – could flow in certain places, and wet only certain things, but often met resistance.
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In order to understand the ether, we must get to know electricity more intimately. Just like water, a proton will hold only so much electricity on its surface, but the 'surface' of the proton is probably similar to the outer area of a ball-shaped swarm of hovering mechanical bees, powered by the ZPR, with a denser agglomeration of "bees" toward the 'ball's' center. If this swarm of bees is subjected to a wave of rainy mist (the etheric 'wind'), the bees must all turn to face into the etheric wind to maintain their formation. The 'water' droplets – electric sub-charges carried by the etheric wind – tend to agglomerate around the front side. Each bee, as he flaps his wings, will get wet only so much, so that excess 'water' is thrown off and carried to the next bee, or the next swarm of bees, by the etheric wind, and so forth, so that a 'current' of droplets continues to flow through the ball of bees due to its motion through the etheric wind, and transfers momentum between masses.
The 'water' tends to come off in larger drops, which have formed from smaller droplets accumulated on each bee. As in fluid mechanics, the 'drop' size is the result of cohesiveness of the electric 'fluid', the surface area of each 'bee', and the space between each bee, all of which influences the final size of each larger 'drop' (the "electron") which accumulates enough to form it. If one were to mathematically analyze the flow of "drops" (i.e., "quanta") per mass unit, they would have an average rate of the flow of charges/cm3 of etheric wind, for the momentum, as determined by the "current" flow rate.
Much like the bees, as a body (its many electrons, atoms, and molecules, with plenty of 'space' within and between) sits at rest on the earth, it moves at fantastic speed through the universal ether field, due to the earth's revolution, orbit, and other motions.
In his 1891 A.I.E.E. lecture at Columbia College, Tesla said in pertinent part (emphasis mine): "What is electricity, and what is magnetism? "...We are now confident that electric and magnetic phenomena are attributable to the ether, and we are perhaps justified in saying that the effects of static electricity are effects of ether in motion". "...we may speak of electricity or of an electric condition, state or effect". "...we must distinguish two such effects, opposite in character neutralizing each other". "...for in a medium of the properties of the ether, we cannot possibly exert a strain, or produce a displacement or motion of any kind, without causing in the surrounding medium an equivalent and opposite effect." "...its condition determines the positive and negative character." "We know that it acts like an incompressible fluid;" "...the electro-magnetic theory of light and all facts observed teach us that electric and ether phenomena are identical." "The puzzling behavior of the ether as a solid to waves of light and heat, and as a fluid to the motion of bodies through it, is certainly explained in the most natural and satisfactory manner by assuming it to be in motion, as Sir William Thomson has suggested." "Nor can anyone prove that there are transverse ether waves emitted from an alternate current machine; to such slow disturbances, the ether, if at rest, may behave as a true fluid."
In his statements, Tesla was balancing the various arguments in preparation for his decision: "...Electricity, therefore, cannot be called ether in the broad sense of the term; but nothing would seem to stand in the way of calling electricity ether associated with matter, or bound ether; or, in other words, that the so-called static charge of the molecule is ether associated in some way with the molecule."
"...It cannot differ in density, ether being incompressible: it must, therefore, be under some strain or in motion, and the latter is the most probable." Tesla therefore believed in an ether which was in motion relative to earth, because the earth is in motion.
The thing which Tesla had realized, was that ether possesses electric charges which are deposited on atoms. In supporting the "dynamic" ether concept, he was supporting the "stationary ether" concept, since the "motion" he referred to was "apparent" motion of the ether perceived by an observer on earth, relative to a stationary ether.
The importance of cosmic motion to the electromagnetic effects of static charges was brought up by Tesla in his lecture: "About fifteen years ago, Prof. Rowland demonstrated a most interesting and important fact, namely, that a static charge carried around produces the effects of an electric current." "...and conceiving the electrostatically charged molecules in motion, this experimental fact gives us a fair idea of magnetism. We can conceive lines or tubes of force which physically exist, being formed of rows of directed moving molecules; we can see that these lines must be closed, that they must tend to shorten and expand, etc. It likewise explains in a reasonable way, the most puzzling phenomenon of all, permanent magnetism, and, in general, has all the beauties of the Ampere theory without possessing the vital defect of the same, namely, the assumption of molecular currents. Without enlarging further upon the subject, I would say, that I look upon all electrostatic, current and magnetic phenomena as being due to electrostatic molecular forces."
In these statements, Tesla showed he was aware that any "stationary" locale on earth is actually in fantastic motion ("70,000 mph"). The electrostatic charges "carried around" are currents between atoms and the ether, which produce magnetism. The phenomena of 'permanent magnetism' or 'cosmically induced' magnetism are apparently due to electrostatic charges 'carried around' by cosmic motion, in the universal ether field.
Since no one can hold an atom or molecule perfectly still—because it is in fantastic motion—all atoms and molecules carry currents producing magnetic fields. Since a magnetic field is the product of a current, no one can produce a magnetic field without electricity, moving through or along a conductor, or as electrostatic charges in local or cosmic motion.
Tesla's Dynamic Theory of Gravity and MHD method of Spacial Electropulsion brought a cosmic crowning achievement to the works of Faraday, Wm. Thomson, J. J. Thomson, and Edmund Hall.
CONCLUSION
The ether is a universal medium, which fills all space. It appears to be "dynamic" relative to an earth moving thousands of miles per hour through space. The ether is normally electrically neutral, ultra-fine, and penetrates all solid matter. There is also an ultra high frequency, ubiquitous radiation, normally in equilibrium, called Zero Point Radiation ("ZPR"), which interpenetrates the ether, and represents electromagnetic radiation in its finest, densest form, which, in conjunction with the ether, conserves universal perpetual motion.
The ether in conjunction with the ZPR, is the source of all matter and force. "Energy" does not exist in physical form, but is "the ability to do work", which is equal to "force over time". The word "energy" is a convenient fiction, like "time", which is an arbitrary measurement of the rate of motion of matter through ether-filled space. All events occur in the present, and the "past" and "future" are merely metaphors.
Electromagnetic disturbances in the ether extract "energy" from the ZPR, which is explainable only by an ether theory. This "free energy", which is virtually unlimited, is universally at work, created by the perpetual motion of matter, and the perpetual exchange of stronger and weaker forces, through which the equilibrium of the universe is maintained, the sum total of all processes equaling zero.
Since all solid matter is continually hurling through space, always in motion, it is always subjected to the "etheric wind" and ZPR interactions. These effects are not perceived except during changes in the orientation of mass or its velocity. All mass and space have dielectric properties. Differences in dielectric properties cause changes in the electromagnetic displacement within mass and the etheric wind. Earth's electric field creates dielectric displacement effects within ether and mass within earth's electric field. The difference between the dielectric displacement within a mass and the dielectric displacement outside the mass in the etheric wind, creates a down-force in the direction of the negative polarity, as the etheric wind 'blows' through a mass. This is called "gravity".
Since all mass is in motion, all mass has momentum, even when apparently "at rest" relative to earth. Momentum is a body's resistance to change in its state of motion. Since inertia is also the resistance of a body to changes in its momentum, inertia and momentum are due to the same thing, the resistance of electromagnetic micro helical tubules to changes in velocity (and relative "pitch"), direction, and lateral motions or orientation. Since all space and mass is composed only of "electric content", momentum/inertia is electromagnetic in nature, and can be electromagnetically synthesized.
All mass contains electrostatic charges, which when "carried around" in the ether/ZPR-filled space by celestial or 'local' movement, constitute currents. These currents actually flow between mass and the ether, and are integral to the mechanism by which momentum is imparted to mass in motion. The currents create magnetic fields as their equal-and-opposite counterparts, and give a rotatory motion to combined, bi-directional electric and magnetic fields and currents, around irrotational vacuous ether cores. This rotatory electromagnetic action creates momentum, as the force-free "screw-type" reaction within mass, creating its motion relative to the ether cores, from which the mechanical force is transferred to the atomic mass with which the electromagnetism is associated.
Since these phenomena are electromagnetic in nature, they are synthesized by recreation of the electromagnetic conditions which a body would exhibit due to a particular kinetic state. Just as electromagnetic waves of low frequency can penetrate a body, waves of higher frequencies – above I.R. and below U.V.- can cause the ether to "assert its inertia resistance".
The technology involves high voltage D.C. 'brush' currents, high frequency currents, rapidly varying electrostatic forces, and light/heat beams. The rapidly varying electrostatic forces "rarify" (stretch) the ether carriers, as the light/heat beams polarize the medium in the desired direction, as the D.C. brush currents induce the exchange of carriers, creating a vacuum in that direction, inducing motion. At the opposite end of the ship, high frequency currents draw the carriers through the ship, and creates a compression of the ether, as it penetrates the solid mass and synthesizes the rotatory micro helical tubules, which whirl around the ether cores along the polar axis, at a pitch corresponding to a particular rate of momentum. Since the strength of the electromagnetic interaction is 10/40 time greater than the gravitational interaction, that much more work can theoretically be done in the same time, using the same "energy".
Since "seeing is believing", and I have seen, I believe. The behavior of man-made flying saucers proves the existence of these "free energy" inventions of Nikola Tesla, which show that he was right in his opposition to Relativism, and that the prevalent theories taught in the scientific institutions of the world are patently _fraudulent_.
Consistent with the idea that "dynamite comes in small packages", this small book, along with my prior book, "Space Aliens From the Pentagon," initiates the rediscovery, reconstruction and publication of Nikola Tesla's Dynamic Theory of Gravity and related electropulsion technology, the greatest invention of mankind.
The Secret Government – a fraudulently concealed, unconstitutional, corporate-state entity – has heretofore controlled electropulsion technology by concealing it and other advanced free energy technology, on behalf of international, coercive, corporate-state monopolists. Electropulsive ships are concealed through "special effects", and "stealth technology" (also based on Nikola Tesla's inventions)- as they fly and hover in the sky, and by "psycho-political" means – the dissemination of false "alien" and "extraterrestrial origin" propaganda – through "UFOlogy" groups led by covert government agents. While official government spokesmen deny the existence of flying saucers, covert government agents, posing as "skeptics", "UFOlogists", and "paranormalists", engage the public's attention in a phony debate. The "skeptics" ridicule the UFOlogists and paranormalists, lumping them together with rational witnesses, as if "...to see a flying saucer" is as ridiculous as "...to see a ghost or alien". This phony debate based on false logic fits nicely into the overall cover-up system, designed to conceal "advanced human technology", not "alien" technology.
The grip of this secret socio-economic dictatorship, depends on coercively extorted income, by forcing us to buy archaic fuel and power – which funds their control of our communications, political and monetary decisions, enforcement of unjust laws, regulations, and procedures expanding its powers, while limiting or excluding our individual human rights, and denying our access to information, materials, and technology which is ours because we paid for it with our taxes. Our access to the truth is necessary for our independence and survival as a free people.
Despite the confusion, concealment, BIG LIES, and judicial and socio-economic abuse by the corporate state, we can resurrect the TRUTH, determine the correct technology, circumvent obstructions, and use our creative ingenuity to build these ships for ourselves, to free our society from the Secret Fascist Corpocracy.
http://aetherforce.com/teslas-dynamic-theory-of-gravity/
Great post Astro. Thanks. We MUST NOT forget Tesla. For over one hundred years mankind has been deprived of the truth of a dynamic gravity, not a distortion in a fabric as Einstein would have us believe. That is how long the deception has existed. Space time is not a fabric that is distorted, but a fluidic medium that gives rise to all matter and energy that we can observe. It is the ETHER and it will be the source of the energy that will take mankind out of the solar system and to the stars. Nature shows us the way. It is the cosmological unipolar inductor. Tesla was right.
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Cosmo
Watch ESA explain how it plans to find gravitational waves.
I don't know what happened, but I tried posting this several times and it did not come thru.. When I initially posted it, it came up with an error, but when I tried later a message came up saying that I had already posted it... but it did not show up..
I tried later and posted it in parts until the article was complete.. ???
In just under a week the European Space Agency (ESA) will launch its LISA Pathfinder spacecraft on a Vega rocket. Buried within the vessel are two cubes made of gold-platinium which, scientists hope, can lay the groundwork for measuring gravitational waves in space. The theories and testing procedures can be tricky to wrap your head around, but thankfully the ESA has made some explainer videos (below) to help you out.
The LISA Pathfinder will venture 1.5 million kilometers towards the Sun, before orbiting around what's known as the first "Lagrangian point," or L1. The two cubes will be suspended in vacuum enclosures and, therefore, in a constant state of free fall. A sensor will then use laser interferometry to measure their movements down to one thousandth of one millionth of a millimetre. As they shift, the spacecraft will automatically fire a series of microthrusters to ensure its always centered around the suspended cubes.
Why do all of this? In the future, scientists hope to measure gravitational waves, which form part of Albert Einstein's theory of general relativity. These ripples in space-time are produced, it's believed, by large cosmic events such as supernova explosions and double black holes. They produce huge amounts of energy, but space buffs think that only small ripples can be felt in the spacetime that envelops our little corner of the Galaxy.
To detect these waves, the ESA plans to measure tiny changes in the distance between two space-wandering objects. That's where the LISA Pathfinder comes in. In the future, a space-based gravitational wave observatory will track two masses separated by five million kilometres. The LISA Pathfinder uses a similar arrangement, only with the distance condensed to 38cm. It's a tiny simulation, but the mission will verify that the general setup works; a crucial milestone before the fully-fledged operation launches in 2034.
http://www.engadget.com/2015/11/26/lisa-pathfinder-explainer/
Quote from: A51Watcher on October 24, 2015, 02:06:01 AM
But I am certain that the gravity propulsion craft Bob spilled the beans on, do exist, and were on display for 3 years for anyone to go see for themselves.
And I've got film to prove it.
To all - The bottom line is Bob was telling the truth and so am I. Want to call us liars? Help yourself.
On display?
Quote from: A51Watcher on October 24, 2015, 04:59:09 AM
Here is Bob's description of the craft constantly falling downhill I mentioned -
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Other configurations -
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and the resulting gravity distortion field that envelops the craft -
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As I mentioned, we have numerous shades of black frames that conform to the shapes shown above.
Just further confirmation that his information is correct.
At this point not even Bob has seen the shades of black confirmation frames.
All to be revealed in an upcoming video.
Is 'gravity' the correct word here when you talk about the distortion, or should it now read 'gravitational distortion' ?
Trying to wrap my head around..
The machine im still working on ,the ufo motor creates gravity waves.physics proves a machine usually can work backwards,this means my machine should also detect waves.
This means you want a solenoid and a metal ball in center .the coil recieves half and the ball recieves half.its built like a tank circuit with a high frequency sensor.
I just researched robert baker,he knows but is shilling .when you work for JASON,you know the truth.
I read his reports,omg,drowning in bs.
The very true form is magnetohydrodynamic.
This is what perturbed tesla but became obvious.
The whole universe works this way but stops at neutron level.
Thats why the universe,galaxies ,solar system and atomic structures are all flying saucer shaped.
The big dogs are afraid of folks knowing the truth and this gravity wave thing is a joke,imho.but i dont want to insult folks so ive held my opinion until now.
These are presents from me to pegasus in return for the movie series mr.robot.
A GIANT THANKYOU.
I don't think it matters Sinny. Just don't call them gravity waves! lol
Hi Robo, are you still working on the mercury motor?
Cosmo
Oops, what I meant was, is the distortion Lazar & A51 talking about the same distortion now proven by Gravitational waves?
I assume the answers yes, I just want clarification.
Since the new Gravity wave theory recently came out...
A51 reposted this that I think seemed to have some connection to it...
but Im not fully clear if it (GWs) refers to Bobs "Gravity A" description on Atomic Bonds..
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9104.msg121979#msg121979
(http://?%20%3Cbr%20/%3E%3Cbr%20/%3EI%20assume%20the%20answers%20yes,%20I%20just%20want%20clarification)
What distortion sinny,i must have missed it .personally i think the whole story is misdirection but until i prove my mercury generator,i cant stand firm.
Yes cosmo,ive made many improvements and also proved the dropa tribe are real alien hybrids.my motor research is what got me there.i was building an insulator from ceramic when i had problems sealing it.
After figuring that problem out then i realized my insulator had to be diameter of coil.
Then i rememebered the dropa stones.there are two versions.one set are the history stones,the other set are high voltage insulators for the caduceus coil.
Then i saw the c groove in top and realized that was a mercury trap for mercury gas condensation that may vent prior to lift off.
The dropa stone was the exact part i needed.
This proved the history of the dropa was correct.
I killed two birds with one ceramic disc.
Ive also discovered the playing card code.
Diamonds-saucer
Clubs-venturi
Hearts-magnetic field shape
Spades-plumbbob
Joker-the guy flying it\me.
The distortion of (some kind of) gravity fields depicted in A51's & and Bobs picks.
I want to know the nature of the gravity fields - might be a stupid question, but I left school years ago now.
I cant see plugins so i cant see pics.
Distortions in gravity is just dependent on masses in local enviroment.
With a formula of distance square or something like that.very similar to ionization of atmosphere from a point source.
Like radio or sound or light.x amount of distance then half,double the distance then half the power again.until it halves down to nothing at some point.but i believe may never be absolute zero,just smaller and smaller.
Same with magnetic fields.
I believe the universe has a magnetic field but its so weak we cant measure it,no equipment sensitive enough to measure it,but its there.
Research inverse square law,thats the math equation i was thinking of.
Quote from: robomont on February 15, 2016, 04:44:17 AM
Distortions in gravity is just dependent on masses in local enviroment.
Isn't that just Gravity B as conceptualised by Lazar?
Im a fan of lazar and even bought his model in the 90s.
That being said .i have a personal opinion of him.
You have to look at his theory from a certain perspective.
Odds are he got backstabbed at work and was forced out of skunkworks,they probably stole his ideas as they do everybodies.
i saw this happen with me in a certain situation a few years back.
So as revenge,he let out his invention or discovery but did it in code as to not get murdered as almost happened to me a few years back,twice.
Where as i think im the devil and dont think i can die.so im very brash but truthful.let the chips fall where they may.
Thats why i stand by what i said and believe bob was just twisting this a little.he discovered it before me but was not completely accurate due to his circumstances.
Its the same tech as the german viril,the arv,the tr3b and the patented king ufo.
Its mhd in relation to all the other mhd within the inverse square law atmosphere.a,b ,it doesnt matter how you label it,ultimately its two forces each having its own frequency in each object.
The distorted field is guided by the inverse square law of weakening strength as distance lengthens.
Basically the magnetic field is pulling on the ionized atoms in the atmosphere and causing downward thrust.
Instead of atoms it could be the earth and the ufo is the sun.but with orbits its a\c instead of d\c.a\c locks into the matrix,where as d\c causes a thrust.
When i say matrix i mean local atmosphere in relation to the two objects.sun and earth the atmosphere would be hydrogen.
With a ufo in relation to earth, it would be air.
The smaller particles in the atmosphere are not really relative unless there is motion involved.
If the ufo was the size of an atom then the other local atoms would be part of general equation because they would all have similar magnetic field sizes and strength but since a ufo is quiet larger.the atoms magnetic field strengths and sizes are not really relative except when it comes to thrust.
Same thing with charge,size determines relevence.
distance determines relevence also.
So i must add to equation[object 1(d\c x frequency a)x(magnetism x frequency b)] divided by distance from(inverse square law)[object 2(d\c x frequency a) x (magnetism x frequency b)]= force pulling or pushing two objects depending on polarity.
similar to magnets in most ways.
the charge (a\c or d\c)determines how fast the magnets react.
Confusing to most but simple to me.
In simple terms.a ufo can fly because its magnetism is strong or its charge is strong or both.
The old ufos had a problem overheating because there solenoids would get hot(magnetism),so they started using superconducting magnets and solved that problem.
The high voltage charge was always easy because high voltage could be created by different generators.wimshurst for one.
Then when high voltage mercury vapor switches came out they were able to go faster.
Now that they have both along with fusion power generators.well the speed and payload are insane.
Quote from: Sinny on February 15, 2016, 03:24:10 AM
On display?
Yes. On display every Wednesday night, for 3 years during the test maneuver period of the craft.
On display for anyone with enough stones to go out an have a look see for themselves, since you could watch from public land.
After 1993 there were no more gravity propulsion craft seen there anymore.
Thanks for your explanations Robo..
I dont think that I have seen anyone attempt to explain about how UFOs may overcome gravity in such detail..in what maybe a compressed explanation..
I suspect most may take some study and time to try to understand this...Myself included..
certain things I can or may relate to..but piecing it all together as you try to explain may take some understanding unless one has really indepthly studied the science / Physics of it or has a huge IQ...to be able to grasp it.
Certain seems some interesting things to consider..
If I can find time I may like to try and clarify some of the things that you refer to if you are online again when I have listed them..
Can I ask how long has it took you to come to such conclusions ? or the amount of time and study you have put in to grasp it .
when it comes to Maths and Electricity / Magnetism values and calculation.. I think many find that a bit hard to understand..
QuoteBasically the magnetic field is pulling on the ionized atoms in the atmosphere and causing downward thrust.
Instead of atoms it could be the earth and the ufo is the sun.but with orbits its a\c instead of d\c.a\c locks into the matrix,where as d\c causes a thrust.
When i say matrix i mean local atmosphere in relation to the two objects.sun and earth the atmosphere would be hydrogen.
With a ufo in relation to earth, it would be air.
Quote from: Sinny on February 15, 2016, 04:28:35 AM
The distortion of (some kind of) gravity fields depicted in A51's & and Bobs picks.
I want to know the nature of the gravity fields - might be a stupid question, but I left school years ago now.
Not at all, very sharp question actually.
QuoteIsn't that just Gravity B as conceptualised by Lazar?
Correct.
We can observe gravity B distortion by viewing the skies and noting distorted views of galaxies, known as gravity lensing.
Gravity A distortion can only be seen at this point by viewing gravity propulsion craft in action.
In both cases it is not gravity that is distorted. The title is a bit misleading isn't it.
It is instead a case of gravity distorting space and time, and those are the effects that we note.
So a gravity distortion field is comprised of space/time distortion.
Actually i disagree with the space time theory,space and time are seperate from gravity.they are seperate factors.
Ive been studying ufo tech for about 35 years,ive been studying physics for 28 years,i actually had to take physical science in high school four times because i was lazy and bored.
Time does intertwine in it due to frequency factors.
Then some guy said lets turn up the frequency on the superconducting magnets and see what happens,thats when ufo became invisible.
Then another skunk said hey,lets turn up the frequency of the high voltage and thats when faster than light was achieved,and the universe stood still for them and time didnt matter.
Well I think you must have been quite dedicated and keen to persist to learn to have been willing to take it 4 times.. :)
I then I assume if you were that dedicated that you took advanced Science..
Dependent upon how often and indepth..35 and 28 yrs could be quite qualified..
I know sometimes we learn then stop to concentrate on other things then come back again..
Im not in the league of many on here on such subjects...but you give me the impression you one of the more advanced knowledgeable on such topics.
QuoteIve been studying ufo tech for about 35 years,ive been studying physics for 28 years,i actually had to take physical science in high school four times because i was lazy and bored.
when you refer to frequency of Magnets... is that electro super conduct magnets ? and is that still not just turning up the voltage ?
similar to turning up the frequency of high voltage ?
Is that based upon variable resistance.. or maybe that would that like using a more powerful transformer ? ie more turns of wire give higher output.? I assume in AC voltage..
or add more batteries in DC voltage..
QuoteThen some guy said lets turn up the frequency on the superconducting magnets and see what happens,thats when ufo became invisible.
Then another skunk said hey,lets turn up the frequency of the high voltage and thats when faster than light was achieved,and the universe stood still for them and time didnt matter.
Its super conducting magnets like invented by paul chu at the university of houston that become superconductive at liquid nitrogen temp.
It means to pulse the magnet very fast.
High frequency.
Pegasus was actually the fertilizer that made me bloom.
Member investments paved the way for my discoveries.
Pegasus is still part owner of my ufo motor, but i have controllng interest.
So Robo, did you work in any type of engineering / science or research in your past to do with space or aviation ?
when you say about your past situation..i you dont mind me asking ?
QuoteOdds are he got backstabbed at work and was forced out of skunkworks,they probably stole his ideas as they do everybodies.
i saw this happen with me in a certain situation a few years back.
No jobs in aviation other than making a bunch of defective single barrell carburetors for airplanes as a temp 20 years ago,they sent them out anyways,ever wonder why so many small planes crash?
:)
QuoteNo jobs in aviation other than making a bunch of defective single barrell carburetors for airplanes as a temp 20 years ago,they sent them out anyways,ever wonder why so many small planes crash?
MHD ....Would that be Mass ..?.. Density ?
two forces with frequency....one being the atmosphere the other atoms or some object matter within it..
that you refer to A , B ?
the distorted field weakens as the distance increases... does that mean as you lift off higher from earth that the gravity on an object weakens ?
QuoteIts mhd in relation to all the other mhd within the inverse square law atmosphere.a,b ,it doesnt matter how you label it,ultimately its two forces each having its own frequency in each object.
The distorted field is guided by the inverse square law of weakening strength as distance lengthens.
is that the Earths magnetic field you refer to ?
so you suggest another eg is of the or a different scale of a UFO being like the sun as is the Earth to atoms ? still like a solar system comparison at differing size scales
QuoteBasically the magnetic field is pulling on the ionized atoms in the atmosphere and causing downward thrust.
Instead of atoms it could be the earth and the ufo is the sun.
Is this to do with AC and DC currents effects with magnets...maybe with DC you get a thrust action and maybe ac a rotating action ?
Is it Right Hand left hand rules or something ?
Quotebut with orbits its a\c instead of d\c.a\c locks into the matrix,where as d\c causes a thrust.
When i say matrix i mean local atmosphere in relation to the two objects.sun and earth the atmosphere would be hydrogen.
With a ufo in relation to earth, it would be air.
so this is taking it down a further size scale relating air to Hydrogen atoms.. ? and relating them similar to Sun and Earth ?
its scaling it down further and further
QuoteWhen i say matrix i mean local atmosphere in relation to the two objects.sun and earth the atmosphere would be hydrogen.
With a ufo in relation to earth, it would be air.
so with a larger ufo..within an atmosphere with much smaller atoms... the atoms have little magetism related effect on the lift of the UFO ?
but you say they do efffect a UFOs thrust..
Im not sure I understand that part ?
QuoteThe smaller particles in the atmosphere are not really relative unless there is motion involved.
If the ufo was the size of an atom then the other local atoms would be part of general equation because they would all have similar magnetic field sizes and strength but since a ufo is quiet larger.the atoms magnetic field strengths and sizes are not really relative except when it comes to thrust.
Can you remind me how charge occurs ? or alters its value..other than it is created as a force when its within a magnetic field..
QuoteSame thing with charge,size determines relevence.
distance determines relevence also.
QuoteElectric charge is the physical property of matter that causes it to experience a force when placed in an electromagnetic field. There are two types of electric charges: positive and negative.
Mhd is the technology from the hunt for red october.
Only inside out.as you are not pumping sea water ,you are pumping local atmosphere.ocean,volcanic plumes,outer space.its a pump in dc mode and a lockup in ac mode.
Just as a neon bulbs gas does not really flow,but a cathode tube does.cathode is dc,neon bulb is ac.
Reports say an 89%decrease in weight for objects inside this plasma field.
This would make sense as this plasma shield is shielding you from the mass outside the craft.
You only weigh something if theres something relative to you.the less mass around you,the less you way,kinda like friends.
I just wanted to try and ask a few questions in relation to what you said.. to try and get some better understanding while we were online at the time..as later we often get distracted..
MHD.. = (magneto fluid dynamics or hydromagnetics)
Magnetohydrodynamics...I now recall you mentioning the name ... in your reply number 75..
but I did not know what it was..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetohydrodynamics
QuoteMhd is the technology from the hunt for red october.
from reply 75 in this thread..
QuoteThe very true form is magnetohydrodynamic.
This is what perturbed tesla but became obvious.
The whole universe works this way but stops at neutron level.
So DC is or creates a type of thrust flow...(Pump out fluid as eg)
and AC is some sort of Valve that shuts the flow...
I can understand within use of electricity on Earth.. that we either use Batterys as DC Direct Current..
and plug into the mains for AC Alternating Current..
(Two way)
but Im not sure how this may apply of Earth..
Does magnetism create two similarities ?
QuoteOnly inside out.as you are not pumping sea water ,you are pumping local atmosphere.ocean,volcanic plumes,outer space.its a pump in dc mode and a lockup in ac mode.
Just as a neon bulbs gas does not really flow,but a cathode tube does.cathode is dc,neon bulb is ac.
Yep,only turned inside out,once you comprehend it thoroughly,your mind opens up and all is revealed.
Then you look at my newest design of my ufo motor and bam.archeology stands on its head.
You now know the past and the future in the broad sense of the term.
Everything starts falling into place.
You start out as a baby with the worlds largest jigsaw puzzle and then one day robo comes along and shows you the center of the picture.
Now all the pieces are easy to comprehend and the puzzle comes together quickly and smoothly.biggest secret in the world right in front of our faces.
Trust me on that.
Think in your mind of a top electrode and a bottom electrode.
Put a verticle solenoid in the center.
the electrodes can run no higher than 10,000volts dc.
Pulse it as fast as you can.
Pulse the solenoid as fast as you can with as high a voltage and current as you can,
have the electrodes and magnetic solenoid 90 °s out of phase of each other.with electrodes firing first.
The polarity of solenoid depends on what part of planet you are on.north of equator or south of equator.the toilet draining is best way to explain it.
If this is fact Robo... thank you for the education ! :)
Amazing to know !
but I would still have to work on it to clarify further...but I maybe lucky to have some understanding of the basics..
I suspect a few on PRC had already studied your work in the past and are aware..
QuoteYou now know the past and the future in the broad sense of the term.
Everything starts falling into place.
You start out as a baby with the worlds largest jigsaw puzzle and then one day robo comes along and shows you the center of the picture.
Now all the pieces are easy to comprehend and the puzzle comes together quickly and smoothly.biggest secret in the world right in front of our faces.
Trust me on that.
Quotesimilar to magnets in most ways.
the charge (a\c or d\c)determines how fast the magnets react.
Can you clarify a bit further how charge relates to how fast a magnet reacts..
is this again in ref to super conductivity ones that alter via electical input or alteration of voltage / power on AC via mains or ( DC current if powered by batteries)
Quotesimilar to magnets in most ways.
the charge (a\c or d\c)determines how fast the magnets react.
So in this eg if its sort of a DC voltage...(creates thrust) its can only create upto a certain voltage..
the voltage effects the solenoid ..type of on off in out movement....creating fast pulses...
but im not sure how you make it 90% out of phase ?
or what effect diffences its makes ?
QuoteThink in your mind of a top electrode and a bottom electrode.
Put a verticle solenoid in the center.
the electrodes can run no higher than 10,000volts dc...Pulse it as fast as you can.
Pulse the solenoid as fast as you can with as high a voltage and current as you can,
have the electrodes and magnetic solenoid 90 °s out of phase of each other.with electrodes firing first.
Is this like the Bath water rotates in a different direction depending if you are North or South of the equator on Earth ?
ie as the water flow goes down the hole..it is either in a clockwise or anticlockwise direction ?
and this is to do with the earths magnetic field ?
QuoteThe polarity of solenoid depends on what part of planet you are on.north of equator or south of equator.the toilet draining is best way to explain it.
Its not charge,its current.a magnet has voltage and current.per solenoids.you want the most voltage you can get without shorting out coil\solenoid wire insulation.
You want as much current as you can get without melting the coil\solenoid wire.
The length of wire used will determine the max voltage,the diameter of wire will determine max current.
The magnetic field strength and size can then be determined with a calculator on the www.
The bigger the diameter,the bigger the field,the more wraps,the higher the magnetic field density.
My ufo motor should pick up somewhere between 75lbs and 1800lbs but ceramic would probably short and fracture before max payload was achieved.
I think something similar happened with the dropa stone,it looks overheated and cracked with severe arc damage to side.
ufo coming in hot with too high a payload.
Think of the two systems as two clocks.the electrode clock comes on from midnight and doesnt turn off until nine
The magnetic clock comes on at three and goes off at midnight.
What this does is ionize the air and then the magnet pulse the ions.
Now speed those two clocks up as fast as you can but perfectly in time.
If the electrode clock didnt go off then only one gulp of food\air would be ionized
,if the magnet coil didnt turn off then the gulp wouldnt complete and the air \food would be stuck in your throat\magnetic field.
I can understand saying a magnet has voltage and current if connected to ac or dc...as a super conductive magnet...
If it was an ordinary bar like magnet...I assume the electric voltage and current would not apply in the same way..
the solenoid uses magnets or coils and a plunger if i recall..again connected to ac or dc..
QuoteIts not charge,its current.a magnet has voltage and current.per solenoids.you want the most voltage you can get without shorting out coil\solenoid wire insulation.
That would seem powerful if it can pick upto 1800 lbs.
QuoteMy ufo motor should pick up somewhere between 75lbs and 1800lbs but ceramic would probably short and fracture before max payload was achieved.
I think something similar happened with the dropa stone,it looks overheated and cracked with severe arc damage to side.
ufo coming in hot with too high a payload.
I had not know what Dropa stones were until I just looked it up ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dropa_stones
QuoteThe Dropa stones, otherwise known as the Dzopa stones, Dropas stones or Drop-ka stones, are said by some ufologists and pseudoarchaeologists to be a series of at least 716 circular stone discs, dating back 12,000 years, on which tiny hieroglyph-like markings may be found.[1][2] Each disc is claimed to measure up to 1 foot (30 cm) in diameter and carry two grooves, originating from a hole in their center, in the form of a double spiral.[3] The hieroglyph-like markings are said to be found in these grooves.
so the electrode system clock ionises the air..for a 9 hr time period AFTER the magnetetic clock had gone off..
is this a 12 hr or 24 hr eg... I assume 12 hr..
if so ..then the magnet clock then comes on again 3 hrs after the electrode clock finished...for 9 hrs until 12 midnight.
when it does it..the magnet reacts to the ionised air creating pulses..
you then look to speed the processes up so you get faster reactions..
and theres a gap in time between the two to allow the magnet field to go on and off to allow movement within the ionised surroundings..
QuoteThink of the two systems as two clocks.the electrode clock comes on from midnight and doesnt turn off until nine
The magnetic clock comes on at three and goes off at midnight.
QuoteWhat this does is ionize the air and then the magnet pulse the ions.
Now speed those two clocks up as fast as you can but perfectly in time.
If the electrode clock didnt go off then only one gulp of food\air would be ionized
,if the magnet coil didnt turn off then the gulp wouldnt complete and the air \food would be stuck in your throat\magnetic field.
Wow robo, sounds like you have been busy! It would be great to see your work in more detail. Would you consider doing a thread on it? If so, that would be awesome!
It reminds me of this:
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=8992.0
Füzfa describes the experiments, which he assures do not tap into the principles of 'new physics.'
In the first setup, large, stacked superconducting coils are used to generate an artificial gravitational field.
The second experiment detects the field through highly sensitive interferometers, which contain light-storing cavities in the arms.
The experiments so far have shown, weakly, that artificial fields generated by electric currents can be detected through a change in 'space-time geometry.'
The scientist writes that the effect is a result of the equivalence principle.
The experiment would require major resources, but if successful, it would give humans the power to control the 'last of four fundamental forces,' not within our grips.
In his article, Füzfa has proposed, with supporting mathematical proof, a device with
which to create detectable gravitational fields. This device is based on superconducting
electromagnets and therefore relies on technologies routinely used, for example, at CERN or
the ITER reactor.
Cosmo
Quote from: A51Watcher on February 15, 2016, 07:19:16 AM
Not at all, very sharp question actually.
Correct.
We can observe gravity B distortion by viewing the skies and noting distorted views of galaxies, known as gravity lensing.
Gravity A distortion can only be seen at this point by viewing gravity propulsion craft in action.
In both cases it is not gravity that is distorted. The title is a bit misleading isn't it.
It is instead a case of gravity distorting space and time, and those are the effects that we note.
So a gravity distortion field is comprised of space/time distortion.
Thanks for this..
I too entertained Cosmo's theory that space/time = gravity.
If it's not gravity.. what else could it be?
Lmao,fuzfa is putting the squeeze on the big dogs.
Its him saying i know and i want money.i know the feeling.
Hes just rebending bent light.and recoloring the light.back to its origin.
cool idea but bites at the martians heels.
Imho
Quote from: Sinny on February 16, 2016, 01:11:33 AM
Thanks for this..
I too entertained Cosmo's theory that space/time = gravity.
If it's not gravity.. what else could it be?
It's similar to Sakharov's radiation gravity theory from a llllooonnnnggggg time ago. Another idea that was passed by...or was it? It just represents the zero point field, or the energy of the very fabric of space time. It is Tesla's dynamic gravity. Even though it is invisible and we can only detect it by it's gravitational effect, there is a medium that fills space, provides positive radiation pressure and is responsible for gravity. To call it by all of the various names is to describe the elephant one part at at time. It is the ETHER.
Here Brandenburg talks about Sakharov:
Pure EM (Electro-Magnetic) Propulsion and Theories of
Gravity-EM Unification
J.E. Brandenburg1
Orbital Technologies Corporation
Madison, Wisconsin, 53717, USA
The general problem of the unification of gravity and electro-magnetism is discussed in
the context of finding a path to practical, pure EM propulsion. Present methods of pure
EM propulsion, where the spacecraft is propelled by EM radiation pressure suffer from very
weak thrust per unit power. To improve on this gravity-EM unification must be
accomplished. It is found that Sakharov's approach where gravity is due to EM radiation
pressure from the quantum ZPF (zero point fluctuation) is based on solid physical insights
but requires all particles to be charged and further that the particles be held together by
gravitational forces at the Planck scale in order to satisfy the Equivalence Principle. When
this is achieved a "Vacuum Bernoulli Equation" is recovered that is similar to that found in
the GEM theory of unification. This equation suggests that gravity modification and
practical pure EM propulsion by human produced EM fields is possible.
http://www.enu.kz/repository/2010/AIAA-2010-1610.pdf
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0204062
Sakharov's induced gravity:
Induced gravity (or emergent gravity) is an idea in quantum gravity that space-time curvature and its dynamics emerge as a mean field approximation of underlying microscopic degrees of freedom, similar to the fluid mechanics approximation of Bose–Einstein condensates. The concept was originally proposed by Andrei Sakharov in 1967.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_gravity
(http://www.physicsoftheuniverse.com/images/scientists_sakharov.jpg)
Sakharov
A Bose-Einstein condensate is a SUPER FLUID by the way!!!!!! The ETHER is a Superfluid.
Cosmo
Peering into space and seeing what is often proposed as bending light, or light bent by gravitational waves, can be rather satisfying and simple.
But one also has to consider the unseen, densities...the what..or even...who, within Cosmo's superfluid.
So, what is the relative "matter" density in the place where the light is said to bend?
Is gravity a differential in Ether density?
Did Einstein consider ALL the features of the space we peer into, which may seem to cause light to "bend"?
Such as other forms of life, matter, or material densified within the Superfluid which cannot be observed with human senses?
Seems to me, a wormhole in the center of any galaxy would send a discussion into the realms of Implosion or Fluid sciences, before attempts at explaining it within any other way.
Doesnt a vortex attain infinite velocity against it's inner wall?
Can infinite centripetal angular momentum be the answer to gravity, and creation/annihilation of life?
To us, we see a point, but the wormhole itself would be massive in scale once inside.
It would seem to me a wormhole would be a perfect candidate for such a center of activity in any galaxy.
And the other end of a wormhole as such, would be one people's creation, and another's annihilation.
Breathing...in and out.
Cheers
Without stepping on toes,no i do not think there is a worm hole anywhere.
There are bubbles and traveling bubbles.they are plasma shielded just as earth is plasma shielded.
And ufos are plasma shielded.
As i said,still falls back to being mhd.
The whole universe,mhd.
Hi Robo,
In ref to some of your comments in our discussion..
when you mention about the two clocks. Am I right in you are referring to a 12 hr clock and not a 24 hr one ?
I sort of get a bit confused....when you refer to midnight if its just a 12 hr clock.. then have one(Electode) ending 9 hrs later and the other (Magnetic)starting 9 hrs before
as to whether you go 9 hrs after mid night on the electrode clock... and start the magnetic clock 9 hrs before midnight..
but we have a 3 am in the morning occur 3 hrs after midnight..
and if the other one (Magnetic Clock) starts 9 hrs before is that like 3 pm...in the afternoon ?
or is the magnetic clock if its like on a 12 hr basis say mid day to mid night... 12 pm to 12 am or 12 am to 12 pm depending when one starts..
in that eg is the magnetic clock starting 3 hrs after midnight ?
if so then the electrode clock will be operating with the magnetic clock together between 3 am to 9 am..ie for 6 hrs..
if it was a 24 hr clock and we had 9 am to end the electrode clock and then we started the magnetic clock at 3 pm... then the clocks have a 6 hr period when none of them are operating ie between 9 am and 3 pm...
so in this eg I assume we can have 12 separate hours... start at Zero to 1 up to 12.... being midnight.
and if so.. you refer one (Electrode Clock )running from mid night to I assume like 9 am...so thats for 9 hrs..
and you refer to the other (Magnetic Clock) running from I assume 3 oclock... thats 9 hr before midnight..
then when you refer to the magnet solenoid and electrode being 90 degrees out of phase...
is this like if one looks on an oscilloscope where we see wave form...
or physically that the two objects are at right angles to each other ie 90 degrees apart.
I assume you mean the sinewave formation is 90 degrees out of phase..
but why 90 degrees ?
is this to allow a 10 % differential in their operation to allow like an on off situation between the ions / ionization of the air reacting that allows gravity effect to occur...
QuoteThink in your mind of a top electrode and a bottom electrode.
Put a verticle solenoid in the center.
the electrodes can run no higher than 10,000volts dc...Pulse it as fast as you can.
Pulse the solenoid as fast as you can with as high a voltage and current as you can,
have the electrodes and magnetic solenoid 90 °s out of phase of each other.with electrodes firing first.
Quote from: robomont on February 15, 2016, 10:07:56 AM
Think of the two systems as two clocks.the electrode clock comes on from midnight and doesnt turn off until nine
The magnetic clock comes on at three and goes off at midnight.
What this does is ionize the air and then the magnet pulse the ions.
Now speed those two clocks up as fast as you can but perfectly in time.
If the electrode clock didnt go off then only one gulp of food\air would be ionized
,if the magnet coil didnt turn off then the gulp wouldnt complete and the air \food would be stuck in your throat\magnetic field.
Quote from: Sinny on February 16, 2016, 01:11:33 AM
Thanks for this..
I too entertained Cosmo's theory that space/time = gravity.
If it's not gravity.. what else could it be?
re: Gravity B - Lots of images of gravity lensing on galaxies found on google as well as atomic clocks left at different heights.
re: Gravity A (amplified to a large scale where it performs the same functions that it normally does on a molecular or atomic level)
As I said the only way to view the distortion field caused by gravity A is to view craft in action at Area 51.
With that in mind let's take a look at these craft being aware of the distortion lens between us and the craft, as well as the electrical discharge and resulting plasma glow enveloping the craft.
The continuous downward moving waves seen at 4:06 we must surmise at this point as being pulsed gravity waves that are being sent down to counteract the Earth's gravity waves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGuiGy1StGg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGuiGy1StGg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGuiGy1StGg)
I would say the motion of those waves at 4:06 appear to be rather elastic (much like magnetic waves) with a rather 'fluid' motion to them like passing through water almost.
Perhaps the ether Cosmo refers to.
Nice Watcher. Thanks. I also check out Lazar's interview on the aliens and heard some things that were new to me. The "wave guide" statement for one. Interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1Pc2aLM3jY
Cosmo
Hawking: Gravitational Waves Could Revolutionize Astronomy
As is becoming clear, the direct detection of these ripples in spacetime not only confirm Einstein's famous theory of general relativity, they open our eyes to a previously "dark" universe. Astronomy uses the electromagnetic spectrum (such as visible light, X-rays, infrared) to study the universe, but objects that do not radiate in the electromagnetic spectrum will go unnoticed. But now we know how to detect gravitational waves, there could be a paradigm shift in how we detect and study some of the most energetic cosmic phenomena.
"Gravitational waves provide a completely new way of looking at the universe," said Hawking. "The ability to detect them has the potential to revolutionize astronomy."
"This discovery also presents a puzzle for astrophysicists," said Hawking. "The mass of each of the black holes are larger than expected for those formed by the gravitational collapse of a star — so how did both of these black holes become so massive?"
This question touches on one of the biggest mysteries surrounding black hole evolution. Currently, astronomers are having a hard time understanding how black holes grow to be so massive. On the one end of the scale, there are "stellar mass" black holes that form immediately after a massive star goes supernova and we also have an abundance of evidence for the existence of the supermassive behemoths that live in the centers of most galaxies. There is a disconnect, however.
If black holes grow by merging and consuming stellar matter, there should be evidence of black holes of all sizes. But "intermediate mass" black holes and black holes of a few dozen solar masses are astonishingly rare, throwing some black hole evolution theories into doubt.
http://www.space.com/31960-hawking-gravitational-waves-could-revolutionize-astronomy.html#sthash.69Qe5YI0.dpuf
(http://www.space.com/images/i/000/053/306/original/dnews-files-2016-02-black-hole-merge.jpg)
How do black holes grow to be so massive? It is because they are spatial extension of ETHER and their size is limited by the "resistance" of the true vacuum. Just like blowing up a balloon. There is air pressure on the outside and it takes a certain amount to reach the expansion limit that exists in the multiverse. Again, it is all determined by the "resistance" of the TRUE VACUUM and the stress limits of our space time bubble before "leakage" occurs. That is the missing part of black hole evolution and it is what is the determining factor in the multiverse expansion and the formation of black holes. It is always about the primary medium first.
Cosmo
If You Fall Into a Black Hole, There's Only One Way to Survive
But if you do ever find yourself near a black hole, there may be a shred of good news — that is, if it's spinning rather than stationary. New research published in the journal Physical Review D suggests that you might be able to survive the inside of a spinning black hole.
A team of researchers figured this out by creating the first-ever computer model of a quickly spinning black hole, called a Kerr black hole.
"It has often been assumed that objects approaching a black hole are crushed by the increasing gravity," Lior Burko, a physicist who worked on the research, said in a press release. "However, we found that while gravitational forces increase and become infinite, they do so fast enough that their interaction allows physical objects to stay intact as they move toward the center of the black hole."
So if your black hole is spinning fast enough, you might just live to tell the tale.
What's more, the researchers say, this lends some small credence to the science-fiction idea that black holes could act as a portal or wormhole for interstellar travel.
http://news.yahoo.com/fall-black-hole-theres-only-181400175.html?nf=1
Exactly! There is matter in this universe OLDER than this universe. And they DO spin! Torsion, fluid dynamics. lol
Cosmo
All one has to do to understand a black hole, or space vortex, is observe a forest stream, and the eddies and whirlpools which form among the seemingly peaceful water as it flows towards its end.
On the note that a spinning fluid vortex is a black hole itself, when the tiny vortex spins itself out in the stream, where does all the matter it has captured go?
It dissipates back into the stream.
So, why should we think of a black hole any differently, when we see our universe is a place of pure fractality, it stands to reason, when a black hole reaches its end of existence, it should just spew all its captured matter back into space as it exhausts itself...just like the tiny whirlpool in the stream.
No ripping apart of mass, no disintegrating of matter, just a point where it all bottles up until the physics of the vortex is unable to sustain itself, and subsequently it ceases to exist.
So, if the matter does enter the black hole, does it compress together at the bottom, awaiting the black hole's end, or does it transfer through into another dimension or plane of existence?
What do we see happening in the stream when a vortex dissipates?
Same thing, right?
Ask the water, it has all the answers.
Cheers
Quote from: Littleenki on February 18, 2016, 03:47:47 PM
All one has to do to understand a black hole, or space vortex, is observe a forest stream, and the eddies and whirlpools which form among the seemingly peaceful water as it flows towards its end.
On the note that a spinning fluid vortex is a black hole itself, when the tiny vortex spins itself out in the stream, where does all the matter it has captured go?
It dissipates back into the stream.
So, why should we think of a black hole any differently, when we see our universe is a place of pure fractality, it stands to reason, when a black hole reaches its end of existence, it should just spew all its captured matter back into space as it exhausts itself...just like the tiny whirlpool in the stream.
No ripping apart of mass, no disintegrating of matter, just a point where it all bottles up until the physics of the vortex is unable to sustain itself, and subsequently it ceases to exist.
So, if the matter does enter the black hole, does it compress together at the bottom, awaiting the black hole's end, or does it transfer through into another dimension or plane of existence?
What do we see happening in the stream when a vortex dissipates?
Same thing, right?
Ask the water, it has all the answers.
Cheers
Wonderful! Exactly Dave. I can see you are enjoying Schauberger! :)
He also understand that the workings of nature DID NOT STOP with water! As above, so below!
Cheers!
Swimming in the Cosmic Ocean
skyfish
Quote from: COSMO on February 17, 2016, 01:30:46 PM
Nice Watcher. Thanks. I also check out Lazar's interview on the aliens and heard some things that were new to me. The "wave guide" statement for one. Interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1Pc2aLM3jY
Cosmo
Sure. And yes the wave guides he said were similar to microwave technology.
Robo has experience in that area.
Bob has also mentioned that gravity does indeed have a specific frequency, which can be determined by measuring the length of the wave guides.
He didn't mention the exact frequency he said because he has a few patents pending regarding that frequency.
gravity and ftl are both done the same way.
as magnetism can go at speed of light and electrons can move at speed of light but neither can max out past that point.
but when you apply both is when magic happens.
thats why the spooky talk about exact frequency.
now that makes sense to me.. that a specific frequency would increase or decrease gravity
going with the so above so below or that we as humans are mini microcosms (no that isn't meant as a double negative)
if you have a basic understanding of energy lines in the body a motion (either on or above the meridian line or muscle) in one direction would increase the strength of that muscle or energy line while the opposite motion would decrease the strength the motion of your hand creates a frequency between your energy and the others...
not all lines have the same direction of motion for increase/decrease
I know this to be true as I have used it and can verify it's truth
and also music or lyric notes can do the same thing..one of bachs pieces is supposed to show (via meditation) how the stones for the pyramid were floated into place...a frequency
ah maybe I'm not as non tech as I thought...it was the terms used
thank you 51 and sky fish ..big hugs :D this has always been one of those 'I-get-it-but-can't-explain-it kind of things and now I have words (language)
;D
they use to talk about mass going up at ftl but when its shielded by mhd.the mass is converted to energy that just makes it more efficient at travel.imho.
as far as blackholes.they are neutron stars.per whitesands.
i got hawkings interns to get hawkings to say no blackholes.
then nasa? put the squeeze on him and he regurgitated.
its on yt.hawkings no blackholes.
This was a PM reply from Robo with ref to my questions below...
Quoteyea two clocks with 12 hours on each.exactly sincronized.the top charge plate fires atc12 then magnet fires at 3.then plate dies at 9 and magnet dies at 12
no on the sign wave except when settingsstill.thats ac.thats what transformers do.
think ignition coil.thats dc.thats the type of pulses and voltage you need.
Quote from: astr0144 on February 15, 2016, 10:49:36 AM
so the electrode system clock ionises the air..for a 9 hr time period AFTER the magnetetic clock had gone off..
is this a 12 hr or 24 hr eg... I assume 12 hr..
if so ..then the magnet clock then comes on again 3 hrs after the electrode clock finished...for 9 hrs until 12 midnight.
when it does it..the magnet reacts to the ionised air creating pulses..
you then look to speed the processes up so you get faster reactions..
and theres a gap in time between the two to allow the magnet field to go on and off to allow movement within the ionised surroundings..
I am still not clear about the 90 degrees out of phase ! or why 90 degrees...if it does not relate to a sinewave..
or does it refer to 90 degrees as being 25% of a 360 degree rotation .. ie being 90 degrees or 25 % out of phase in terms of a rotation of a motor shaft ? or between the electrodes and magnet solenoid operations..
QuotePulse the solenoid as fast as you can with as high a voltage and current as you can,
have the electrodes and magnetic solenoid 90 °s out of phase of each other.with electrodes firing first.
The polarity of solenoid depends on what part of planet you are on.north of equator or south of equator.the toilet draining is best way to explain it.
Quote from: A51Watcher on February 19, 2016, 03:42:54 AM
Sure. And yes the wave guides he said were similar to microwave technology.
Robo has experience in that area.
Bob has also mentioned that gravity does indeed have a specific frequency, which can be determined by measuring the length of the wave guides.
He didn't mention the exact frequency he said because he has a few patents pending regarding that frequency.
It would be easy to approximate the wave guides using the dimensions of the craft. Any takers???
It would be interesting to see what ballpark it falls in. Seems to me it would not be an extremely short wavelength given that the wave guides have to be at least several feet in length.
Very interesting work Robo.
Hi Otter! You are welcome.
Cosmo
Quote from: COSMO on February 18, 2016, 01:20:10 AM
Hawking: Gravitational Waves Could Revolutionize Astronomy
As is becoming clear, the direct detection of these ripples in spacetime not only confirm Einstein's famous theory of general relativity, they open our eyes to a previously "dark" universe. Astronomy uses the electromagnetic spectrum (such as visible light, X-rays, infrared) to study the universe, but objects that do not radiate in the electromagnetic spectrum will go unnoticed. But now we know how to detect gravitational waves, there could be a paradigm shift in how we detect and study some of the most energetic cosmic phenomena.
"Gravitational waves provide a completely new way of looking at the universe," said Hawking. "The ability to detect them has the potential to revolutionize astronomy."
"This discovery also presents a puzzle for astrophysicists," said Hawking. "The mass of each of the black holes are larger than expected for those formed by the gravitational collapse of a star — so how did both of these black holes become so massive?"
Yes we currently combine visible light, X-ray, and infrared images of the same nebula to get a wider understanding of the forces and processes at work.
Now we have the option of making gravity images with gravity telescopes.
The results promise to be astounding.
oh wow,they cant define gravity but they know how to pick it up electronically?
maybe its an ant in a space suit bouncing inside a sensor laden ball.
now to find out who made the miniture space suit.😁
Quote from: COSMO on February 19, 2016, 10:47:24 PM
It would be easy to approximate the wave guides using the dimensions of the craft. Any takers???
It would be interesting to see what ballpark it falls in. Seems to me it would not be an extremely short wavelength given that the wave guides have to be at least several feet in length.
I think the dimensions can be found by reading though both links -
http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Anti-Matter_Reactor.htm (http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Anti-Matter_Reactor.htm)
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2135.msg29259#msg29259 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2135.msg29259#msg29259)
And yes there was talk of it being a low frequency.
A five-dimensional black hole could break the laws of physics as we know them.
(https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/mCX1I7EGAW8Lb2v3fvUhxQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW15O3E9NzU7dz02NDA7c209MQ--/http://slingstone.zenfs.com/offnetwork/0b8743df75cf7ba82970546de517d33a)
f you thought regular black holes were about as weird and mysterious as space gets, think again, because for the first time, physicists have successfully simulated what would happen to black holes in a five-dimensional world, and the way they behave could threaten our fundamental understanding of how the Universe works.
The simulation has suggested that if our Universe is made up of five or more dimensions — something that scientists have struggled to confirm or disprove — Einstein's general theory of relativity, the foundation of modern physics, would be wrong.
(http://static1.uk.businessinsider.com/image/5617b4e4dd0895be1a8b46c4-1637-1228/cygx1_ill.jpg)
In other words, five-dimensional black holes would contain gravity so intense, the laws of physics as we know them would fall apart.
There's a lot to wrap your head around here, so let's start with the black holes themselves.
In a five-dimensional universe, physicists have hypothesized that black holes are more like very thin rings rather than holes, and as they evolve, they can give rise to a series of 'bulges' that become thinner and thinner over time, and eventually break off to form mini black holes elsewhere.
These ring-shaped black holes (or 'black rings') were first proposed in 2002, but until now, no one's been able to successfully simulate their evolution. This has been made possible thanks to the COSMOS supercomputer at the University of Cambridge in the UK — the largest shared-memory computer in Europe that can perform 38.6 trillion calculations per second.
See Video / Image in Article..
University of Cambridge
The problem with five-dimensional black holes is that they're thought to consist of 'ultragravity rings', where gravity is so intense, it gives rise to a state known as naked singularity. Naked singularity is an event so strange, no one really knows what would occur, except that the laws of general relativity would no longer apply.
Einstein's general theory of relativity is based on how we think gravity governs the behavior of the Universe. We know that matter in the Universe warps the surrounding fabric of space-time, and this warping effect is what we refer to as gravity. Since it was first proposed 100 years ago, general relativity has passed every test — everything we observe in the Universe follows its stipulations, but singularity can pose some problems.
In a four-dimensional universe (where the fourth dimension is time), singularity is thought to be the point of a black hole where gravity is at its most intense — the center — and this is surrounded by the event horizon at the black hole's edge.
"As long as singularities stay hidden behind an event horizon, they do not cause trouble and general relativity holds — the 'cosmic censorship conjecture' says that this is always the case," says theoretical physicist Markus Kunesch from the University of Cambridge. "As long as the cosmic censorship conjecture is valid, we can safely predict the future outside of black holes."
But what if singularity could exist outside a black hole's event horizon? When Physicists have hypothesized that in five or more dimensions, if an object that has collapsed to an infinite density — singularity — is not bound by an event horizon, it becomes naked singularity, and things would get so crazy in and around that object, we'd need to completely rethink our understanding of how physics works. The whole thing just makes me really nervous.
"If naked singularities exist, general relativity breaks down," said one of the team, Saran Tunyasuvunakool. "And if general relativity breaks down, it would throw everything upside down, because it would no longer have any predictive power — it could no longer be considered as a standalone theory to explain the Universe."
If our Universe only has four dimensions, everything is cool, and ring-shaped black holes and naked singularity are not a thing. But physicists have proposed that our Universe could be made up of as many as 11 dimensions. The problem is that because humans can only perceive three, the only way we can possibly confirm the existence of more dimensions is through high-energy experiments such as the Large Hadron Collider.
Kunesch and his team say they've just about hit the limits of what their supercomputer can simulate, but would like to figure out what it is about four-dimensional universes that make naked singularity impossible, and general relativity correct. "If cosmic censorship doesn't hold in higher dimensions, then maybe we need to look at what's so special about a four-dimensional universe that means it does hold," says Tunyasuvunakool.
The study has been published in Physical Review Letters, and for more on those 11 dimensions, here's theoretical physicist, Michio Kaku:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/a-five-dimensional-black-hole-could-break-general-relativity-2016-2?r=US&IR=T
Quote from: A51Watcher on February 20, 2016, 05:01:34 AM
I think the dimensions can be found by reading though both links -
http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Anti-Matter_Reactor.htm (http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Anti-Matter_Reactor.htm)
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2135.msg29259#msg29259 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2135.msg29259#msg29259)
And yes there was talk of it being a low frequency.
I didn't see it, but if it is 3.5 ft, 280 megahertz is 3.51 feet...
https://www.ntia.doc.gov/files/ntia/publications/compendium/0225.00-0328.60_01MAR14.pdf
225-328.6 MHz
1. Band Introduction
The band 225-328.6 MHz is used for a diverse array of land-based, airborne, maritime,
and satellite radio communications services by the military forces, National Guard units,
Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), Coast Guard (CG), National Aeronautics and
Space Administration (NASA), Department of Energy (DOE), and other Federal
agencies. Tactical and non-tactical mobile communications, mobile-satellite
communications, and air traffic control communications are the most prevalent uses.
The most extensive use of the band is for aeronautical communications systems by
military and National Guard forces to provide tactical and non-tactical ground-to-ground,
air-to-air, air-ground-air, and air-ship-air communications; and the band is used for AirTraffic
Control (ATC) at military air bases and aircraft carriers, and by the FAA at
civilian airports used by military aircraft. The Coast Guard uses the band on its ships and
aircraft to carry out its maritime search and rescue mission and for homeland security;
and NASA uses the band for ATC communications on various aircraft.
The band 225-328.6 MHz is reserved for military uses by North Atlantic Treaty
Organization (NATO), its member nations, and other U.S. allies. The band is
harmonized among NATO-member nations for secure communications
Hmmm...doesn't seem likely that it is near that frequency...or it it?
Cosmo
Quote from: COSMO on February 20, 2016, 07:23:51 AM
I didn't see it, but if it is 3.5 ft, 280 megahertz is 3.51 feet...
Sorry, the 1rst link shows the wave guide location and position in an image and it's positional length is described.
The 2nd link gives pretty detailed measurements of the reactor.
So by extrapolation we should be able to get a pretty good ballpark approximation.
a tube full of mercury plasma can be called a waveguide.
i prefer tube.its easier to say and type.
Ok I finally found the gravity frequency in a 2007 post by John over at the sheep pen. ;)
"Bob told us many things we had not heard about.
S-4. 9 saucers there.
Small antimatter reactors the size of half a basketball.
The Gravity A and B waves. The frequency of those waves, 7.46 Hz, SMU's (singular mass units) Chargons and many other things."
link here (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread272252/pg9#pid3108790)
John and Zorgon posted a ton of valuable info there, only to be later banned.
Not a smart move on the forum's part, nor a justified one.
Sound familiar?
It should.
Seems to me you guys are putting the many pieces together to "discover " the science of gravity...
Dr Morgan in his quote on the thread shared by A51 says it all in a nutshell, creation versus annihilation....
Cymatics shows you the "waves" sought to define gravity, densities with desire to become and unbecome...patterns to teach us.
Walter Russell defined the geometry gravity resides upon and within...
as did Bucky, with his balls.. ;)
its all there, the definition of gravity, but it will take folks like are here, pondering the science within human range, to ever mimic or duplicate gravity and it's actuality on Earth, which of course is relative to all other methods for duplicating gravity across the universe.
Our own little gravitational understanding will be the result.
Different in every way from the efforts of others in our universe, but with exactingly similar results in the end.
Black hole in a 'bathtub'
http://www.astronomy.com/news/2017/06/black-hole-bath
Have you ever wondered what things are like near a black hole? To find out, consider getting in the bath. Researchers at the University of Nottingham have recently done essentially just that, studying the effects of waves in an experimental water bath to simulate an effect called superradiance, which is theorized to occur around black holes.
(http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/599ae59ed03020304e5facd0-506-253/british-scientists-have-recreated-the-conditions-of-a-black-hole-using-a-giant-bathtub-and-water-dye.jpg)
Another example of space/time/ether behaving as a fluid. Leonard Susskind would approve. Like water going down a drain. Space time is not a "rubber sheet" or a bendable fabric. it is a dynamic fluid and it's signature is spread across the universe! The next question is...how does a fluidic medium create gravity? Clue: it does it by MOVEMENT
Vortices are archetypal objects that recur in the universe across the scale of complexity, from subatomic particles to galaxies and black holes.
http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/1/11/e1500807.full
COSMO
As I've said before, I don't subscribe to the big bang theory. Instead, I think our universe is the product of a black hole/worm hole. It's the bubble universe theory with each black hole being a passage way to another universe and there may be matter in our universe older than our universe. Here is some evidence to that.
The Greatest Cosmic Puzzle: Astronomers Find Stars That Appear Older Than The Universe
The oldest stars we've found in the Universe are nearly pristine, where almost 100% of what makes them up is the hydrogen and helium left over from the Big Bang. They come in at over 13 billion years old, with the oldest at 14.5 billion. And this is a big problem, because the Universe itself is only 13.8 billion years old.
(https://d2r55xnwy6nx47.cloudfront.net/uploads/2014/11/ReachingForTheMultiverse_9961.jpg)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/09/07/the-greatest-cosmic-puzzle-astronomers-find-stars-that-appear-older-than-the-universe/#78fbb0053c44
Cosmo
Cosmo my man! whazzup?!?!
Yes indeed, all we need to do is observe everything which spirals into a vortex, like whirlpools and such, and look to the very center where the angular velocity is said to be infinitely immeasurable.
Hurricanes anyone? elephants in the room for sure.
Same can be said for space, thanks to scalar nature across the board..the only big bangs are like when something formed the asteroid belt, and the propensity for folks to follow such ideas is built in to the psyche from millennia ago...since their forefathers watched it happen most likely.
Also most folks in science arent able to think about what came before our perception of existence...hence such far fetched theories and ideas keeping hold. They never look up from their blackboards and calculators to see reality around them, do they?
Cheers
Le