This 'Skepticbuster' shows a UFO moving above the space shuttle during the STS-63 mission. The goal here was to test the docking systems, but not actually dock with the MIR.
The audio is full of info that tells you what is happening etc., so I don't have to go on about it for Jim Oberg...& this UFO event takes time to roll out!
Just watch the UFO (the bright light) move above the shuttle... from left to right & then move up the shuttle. It is hard to see until 40 seconds ... so be patient!
The NASA video feed was in the 'Loss Of Signal' (no KU band) but the Russians still had their own feed available & so that is what we are seeing here.
The Russians soon get very interested in this UFO & you see that they actually ZOOM IN on it!! Notice that they ZOOM past it & it comes into focus as they ZOOM back. It appears to have a blue haze around it.
The Russians blab away & I don't know Russian so it would be nice to know what is said. Maybe they provide a Jim Oberg friendly answer...& solve this!
Soon a NASA camera from inside the shuttle is shown & I still see, on the lower left a small pulsating light, just under the MIR. Its the same UFO!
On my You Tube Channel I got alot of hits on this..but due to the lack of instant gratification, this has not been picked up & encoded much..as the "tether incident" has been!
Soooo I have posted it here & not ATS because it needs the type of study that is only at this site. Maybe it is explainable..no problem if it is, but I can't see what it could be other than a UFO!
So watch this ..fast forward it..whatever..& please give me your explanation. I welcome all your conclusions cuz I see nothing but a mystery object & it sure is not ICE! Where have I got this wrong?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8tKNrSy3nk
That's cool. I tend to find those Orbs some times grow tentical legs..
They vary in size and have even been recorded inside the shuttles..
Any suggestions on what sort of 'thing' can do that? Are we talking tech or critter?
I like to see the critters/orbs processed by certain some one who has now left the forum :(
Martin,
Are you referring to the object that comes into focus at about 5m26s in the video?
The colour on this baby is similar. I think these are "ours".
(http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/MNufo1.jpg)
SOURCE: http://www.rense.com/general74/bright.htm
If it was one of ours, then why bother checking out the shuttle? So I do not think it is ours!
Quote from: Sinny on September 10, 2014, 10:41:22 AM
That's cool. I tend to find those Orbs some times grow tentical legs..
They vary in size and have even been recorded inside the shuttles..
Any suggestions on what sort of 'thing' can do that? Are we talking tech or critter?
I like to see the critters/orbs processed by certain some one who has now left the forum :(
I think this could be a craft or critter...but a critter might hang around longer?...& I am suggesting that both could be organic & not mechanical.
I am disappointed by this lack of response to this post??? Is that because Z is gone?? I hope there is more to this site than just him..great as he is. To the 50 who at least read it...thanks..but no comment...?? try again!
A UFO that is even zoomed in on & from non NASA cameras, thus NASA had zero control of what the Russians were showing & checking out.
This UFO moves around the shuttle & all the while is also shadowing the 17,000 mph the shuttle is orbiting.
So what does that??
Quote from: Martyn Stubbs on September 10, 2014, 08:35:15 PM
To the 50 who at least read it...thanks..but no comment...?? try again!
I am one of those 50, as I read the thread during my lunch break but didn't have the time to watch the video, as you didn't gave any indication of the time the UFO was seen on the video.
After watching the video I still don't understand what you call UFO, so could you be more specific about it? Maybe that way you get more answers.
PS: Zorgon (I suppose that's what you mean by "Z") is not gone.
I see some outline to it.
The "Glow" is something I have noticed also on some other craft. I am going to lean towards not organic since it has a glow around it.
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b596/LSWONE/Craft_zps2246ddbc.png)
Could be a satellite or a space taxi not publicly announced.
I know there have been some early mornings just as the sunlight starts coming over, we have noticed some objects which appear to be in orbit start glowing like stars. The sunlight seems to light up the bottom at the correct angle.
LSWONE.
Quote from: Martyn Stubbs on September 10, 2014, 08:25:06 PM
I think this could be a craft or critter...but a critter might hang around longer?...& I am suggesting that both could be organic & not mechanical.
Zorgon is here LOL but been a tad busy since I got back.
Don't be discouraged at the lack of replies. I found back at ATS when John and I had that mega Moon Anomaly thread that maybe 30 odd people would make useful comments (not counting the handful of debunkers and trolls) while the rest just looked. That thread at one point had 'hundreds of thousands of unique hits' (Springer's figures, not mine) ArMaP will recall that because he challenged Springer on that one ::)
Main reason is that most people cannot really add much to the content and don't want to just post a WOW COOL type post
As to Critter vs Mechanical
The critters and craft both are similar because both involve plasma...
The critter type sightings though the object tends to morph, change shape, pulse etc. Movement is usually highly erratic, like moths around a light at night.
Why would an Alien craft come all that way just to buzz around our skies aimlessly by the hundreds? Those type of sightings much better fit critters than craft
Since the critters are plasma energy beings, they would feel no inertia and be bale to make impossible maneuvers just like lighting can. Critters also explain why there is very little hard evidence to be found. Since they are made of energy, there would be no part to be found.
During the day they would look like blurry orbs or blobs and at night glowing orbs...
I can go on with details that fit the critter profile but lets look at craft
continued...
CRITTER TYPE(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Critter/dfbd509bca784d12.gif)
Even Star Trek did the CRITTER in the 60's
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Critter/b_amoeba.jpg)
Now lets look at the craft.
I am going to ONLY cover the craft that use plasma....
I spent 35+ years looking at UFO cases and the plasma craft type have certain characteristics
But if you first look to our military, the new plasma skins on the stealth planes are now public (well the older stuff :P ) These plasma charged skins give off an eerie bluish purple glow. The plasma moves air aside so reducing sonic boom and they can actually steer the plane using plasma actuators. We covered all that years ago and its in pubic domain since 2006 at least
So some pointers:
1) WHY can you not get a CLEAR photo of a UFO?
Because the plasma charge on the UFO skin would disrupt light or bend light so it would appear fuzzy as long as the drive is operating. It can even been enough light to make it invisible or nearly so. Dr Resnick pattent does exactly that. Yes it is highly likely that this was reverse engineered :-X (it was likely the easiest one to reverse engineer because we were already familiar with plasma. NASA did a paper in 1961 on plasma shielding concepts for spacecraft)
Though the cause is different the EFFECT is the same in airplane exhaust. I don't have a real UFO image to use so this will illustrate WHY no clear photo is possible ( unless its parked :P )
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/Vault/model_image.jpg)
Quote from: Martyn Stubbs on September 10, 2014, 08:17:08 PM
If it was one of ours, then why bother checking out the shuttle? So I do not think it is ours!
But there may be diferent 'us's'. If that makes sense? Lol
I have been pondering about breakaway civilisations, to put that into better context..
And as Zorg pointed out, critters and tech both have similiar signatures these days... Hmm.
Quote from: LSWONE on September 10, 2014, 09:50:26 PM
I see some outline to it.
The "Glow" is something I have noticed also on some other craft. I am going to lean towards not organic since it has a glow around it.
I dunno about that, we have lots of bio-luminous critters back here at home.
In fact, whilt in fresh in my mind...
As Z indicated towards the Star Trek Critter (and as a Trekky fan, I can state that isn't the only example), many 'ships' have have been indicated to be biological entities with mechanical implants...
The images of said sci-fi craft that come to mind remind me of that weird deep sea creature THING that was recorded about 2-3 years ago, it featured on RT news, most awe striking THING I've probably ever seen. I'll attempt to link before the night is out.
Maybe irrelevant, but it comes to mind for some reason.
Quote from: Sinny on September 10, 2014, 10:51:46 PM
I dunno about that, we have lots of bio-luminous critters back here at home.
I am just commenting my thoughts. I have not seen any Bio-Lum critters personally. Just online and TV.
LSWONE.
2) The Inertia
Well we know that a pilot inside a craft that made such sharp maneuvers would need to be scraped off the wall right?
Well there is an out... something covered in first year physics in high school
It will require we assume one thing... that an alien intelligence has figured out the unified field theory
So for this to work, we assume they have...
Now look at the high school experiment...
(http://physics.unm.edu/pandaweb/demos/images/5a4040.jpg)
WOW looky THAT looks like an ORB ;D
Well it works like this... IF you put a charge on the sphere... then a smaller object like a pith ball charged neg or pos... will either repel or be attracted to the ball but place the pith ball on the INSIDE there is ZERO effect because the charge is canceled out on the inside
So while we can already do this with anything on the EM spectrum, all we need is the unified field theory that ties gravity and inertia into the same group
Now at the time I asked my teacher if this holds true of other shapes, like a cube or a lens. He said yes but on a lens the exterior effect would be concentrated on the RIM (later when I told him why I was looking he disowned me LOL) Yes I have been looking that long 8)
So in summary. Put the appropriate energy field onto your craft skin and you can deflect atmosphere and EM radiation (light,laser, radio etc and if your alien likely gravity and inertia (no anti gravity device required just a very powerful EM field)
It seems likely from what I have studied that the Roswell craft was hit by a powerful radar beam (something new for us at the time) and they were caught off guard and it damaged their field/shielding
The SAME effect is used by STAR TREK when they say SHIELDS UP and the cloaking device ALL based on the same principle
The SAME effect is related to HAARP and EISCAT research (Yes HAARP has the potential to put up a planetary shield if there are enogh stations
Shields for the Starship Enterprise: A Reality? - EISCAT Related Research
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/EISCAT_Artificial_Magnetic_Shield.html
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/EISCAT/image002a.jpg)
3) The GLOW
Okay here is the kicker
Bioluminescent critters on Earth are chemical in nature, usually phosphorus... however they do glow in one color at various intensity
Plasma critters also tend to glow in one color and at various intensities... usually that electric blue/purple that is typical of plasma energy
Plasma
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140125033747/fairytailfanon/images/9/92/Stock-footage-blue-plasma-energy-ball-on-a-black-background-closeup.jpg)
Those sightings that I classify as CRAFT behave differently
If you collect data on hundreds of reports (after sorting them) you will see that the GLOW that accompanies craft sighting CHANGES COLOR
Based on my observations the COLOR is DIRECTLY related to the speed observed
This is IMPORTANT
Why the glow? because no energy field is PERFECT... the glowing light is a leak in effect... extra energy that is released as heat and/or light. This applied to bioluminescence , critters, plasma and even fire. We see the flame because it 'leaks' some energy as light
Bioluminescence
(http://s.hswstatic.com/gif/bioluminescence-7.jpg)
Now in craft type sightings. Only using the ones with the glowing plasma drives here, not the silent black triangles That is another ball game 8)
The COLORS associated with sightings can be grouped
1) UFO hovering or parked on ground with engines on (idling) Usually red, reddish, orange
2) UFO slowly flying overhead Usually orange to yellow glow
3) UFO flying fast or engines revved up Yellow to bright white
4) UFO flying high or extremely fast Bright Bluish White
You can easily find hundreds of valid sightings that fit into these categories. It would indicate that the color 'leaked" from the operation of the craft's field is DIRECTLY related to the energy level of the engines
I still maintain my opinion that
80%ish of sightings are of the CRITTER kind
15%ish Black Ops (the triangles are ours :P)
5%ish Visitor crafts
Quote from: Sinny on September 10, 2014, 10:41:22 AM
I like to see the critters/orbs processed by certain some one who has now left the forum :(
While it is too bad he made that choice (before things could be sorted) you can do the same thing basically using any graphic program and assigning different color pallet values to each 'shade of black" as it were. Takes some time to set up but once you have the pallet you can apply it to any photo
For example pure black on a computer is code #000000 but to the human eye #202020 is still black as well. There are 16 million shades but you don't need to use that many you can get good results using the basic 256 colors of standard VGA settings
ALL graphic programs use those color codes (as do all programs) To change any forum colors I simply need to type in a color code into the files
That is a basic description of the process
Also bear in mind...
A plasma CRITTER would have no solid body, ergo the transparent look of those in the STS-75 film. You could argue that the GHOSTS people have seen are plasma critter sightings ::)
Certainly those UFO's that "shut down" that old Nuclear base fit the CRITTER type because back in those days the old electronic equipment was NOT EM proof and critters near the base sinply triggered alert features by their mere proximity... and those alerts cascaded a shut down
Same thing happened when critters were sucking power from the old power lines. The sudden draw cause circuits to trip that caused a series of cascading triggers that shut down the eastern USA and Canada
Today we have safeguards in the event of EMP attacks but back then we didn't.
The critters were drawn to these energy sources just like the glowing tether.... they were simply looking for food....
IF you take the time to look over valid UFO reports from the past based on what I have just said, you will EASILY pick out CRITTER sightings from the real Visitor Crafts
Denise Stoner, ex government investigator and head of MUFON Florida agrees with me though she says 50%ish are critters
Is it possible that these critters are related to or maybe drawn to plankton in space?
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/aug/21/sea-plankton-have-been-found-on-the-international-space-station-but-how-did-they-get-there (http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/aug/21/sea-plankton-have-been-found-on-the-international-space-station-but-how-did-they-get-there)
Is it possible that various other particles from the oceans are being swept up into space and appearing as anomalies or having some sort of electro/chemical reactions?
The CRAFT type when glowing would have the more typical saucer shape... (remeber what my prof said that the effect would be greater on the RIM)
(http://www.unexplainable.net/images/upload/01ufo.jpg)
Quote from: Ellirium113 on September 10, 2014, 11:36:50 PM
Is it possible that these critters are related to or maybe drawn to plankton in space?
Well funny you mention plankton. I just saw a documentary a few weeks ago that the OCEAN may infact be a living conscious entity
Google:
Is the ocean itself a living organism with a consciousness?Main stream science is already discovering that PLASMA acts like life in many circumstances and the Russians founf that plasma created in space takes on the double helix form
Why do we call the blood that runs in our viens plasma? LOL
Plasma makes of the vast majority of stuff in the universe. Perhaps CRITTERS are indeed amoeba like cells in the life blood of the Universe The plankton of the Cosmos (would hate to see the whale that eats THAT plankton :o) But that was the premise of that Star Trek episode with their plasma creature A giant amoeba miles across sucking up any energy in its path
So the concept is not new. 8)
I had mentioned once a while ago an experience I had with a plasma ball when a buddy of mine discovered when he played a cassette tape he purchased from NASA called "Sounds From Space" (Essentially noise heard from radio telescope) that the plasma ball reacted in very bizarre ways when subjected to those noises. Perhaps this is a similar phenomenon. It would be interesting to see how the plasma would have reacted in a much bigger environment.
Quote from: Martyn Stubbs on September 10, 2014, 08:17:08 PM
If it was one of ours, then why bother checking out the shuttle? So I do not think it is ours!
Well I also notices that the Astronauts focused in on it to have a look yet NO COMMENTS about it...
WHY? I mean if it was space debris or something 'normal' would you casually say hey Joe found another chunk of something floating out there (since you have already taken the time to zoom in on it
And I assume this was back before the ISS... they were heading for MIR?
Definitely I would put this one into the craft category, not critter
Quote from: LSWONE on September 10, 2014, 09:50:26 PM
I see some outline to it.
The "Glow" is something I have noticed also on some other craft. I am going to lean towards not organic since it has a glow around it.
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b596/LSWONE/Craft_zps2246ddbc.png)
Could be a satellite or a space taxi not publicly announced.
I know there have been some early mornings just as the sunlight starts coming over, we have noticed some objects which appear to be in orbit start glowing like stars. The sunlight seems to light up the bottom at the correct angle.
LSWONE.
Agreed the glow is around it suggesting something reflective inside as opposed to the critter glowing. Not sure if my meaning is clear Kinda like a frosted light bulb where the glass surface is the secondary level of the light while the filament would be primary
(http://www.stargate-chronicles.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/beam.jpg)
Nice find, Martin 8)
now based on the supposition that the fluxliner is genuine, and also taking into consideration the time frame of this sighting, and the fact that human nature can be skewed at times,
what's to say it wasn't one of ours being nosy and wanting to watch the shuttle manuvers with MIR?
seeker
Quote from: Martyn Stubbs on September 10, 2014, 08:17:08 PM
If it was one of ours, then why bother checking out the shuttle? So I do not think it is ours!
What do you mean? Are you saying the object is checking the shuttle? Or the camera that shot the video is checking the shuttle?
I don't know what the object is I was just comparing the colour as a number of interesting UFO cases are linked to a blue that may be associated with propulsion,
The camera is observing an important event . Similar to seekers suggestion and ours can mean any organisation or country. If you mean the object we don't know what it is so how can we say it is "checking out the shuttle"?
The blue has been observed in relation to UFOs related specifically USA military test sites.
Thanks to everyone who checked this video out ............& to all the members who's posts I have yet to comment on, no matter what I agree with (!!!)...
Thanks for joining the conversation.
zorgon...You are looking at the same things that I am. Specifically Plasma.
But 1st, I feel that the problem with this subject is always the hang-up everyone has with craft having to be mechanical.
I watched the final show for this year, of the series "Falling Skies"... & they had the correct idea. An organic craft..everything connected via a central nervous system. The lead had to figure out how to move it & pulled on various tendons to 'drive'.
And remember Babylon 5 had a "living craft" that the characters were all afraid off.etc...
Yet BIG box office is still "Transformers"! Giant machines. Same with the Matrix battle scenes. Man vs machine.
So the masses are being battered by mechanistic thinking & eat it up. I don't get this.!! So 'critter' thinking is weird for many. Just as 'ships from other planets' is still all the rage.
I'm thinking that the organics are dimensional travelers, who can move about our solar system.
And yes, there are big variances in the NASA UFOs, as this object looks plasma free..as the 2nd. Space phenomena (type 2:streaks or 'fastwalkers') also appear plasma free.
Quote from: ArMaP on September 10, 2014, 09:20:23 PM
After watching the video I still don't understand what you call UFO, so could you be more specific about it? Maybe that way you get more answers.
You sound hostile!... Fast forward & watch the light move to the right. (I know you now know that now!) ..just saying again..
Quote from: Pimander on September 11, 2014, 02:26:53 AM
What do you mean? Are you saying the object is checking the shuttle? Or the camera that shot the video is checking the shuttle?
I don't know what the object is I was just comparing the colour as a number of interesting UFO cases are linked to a blue that may be associated with propulsion,
The camera is observing an important event . Similar to seekers suggestion and ours can mean any organisation or country. If you mean the object we don't know what it is so how can we say it is "checking out the shuttle"?
The blue has been observed in relation to UFOs related specifically USA military test sites.
OK but I just don't think we would show our "own" craft off during a docking op....being on live TV..no..not a chance..also their are NOT separate countries in this 'game'. There would be one unified command & no need to be anywhere near this "fake" space event.
(I'm still unsure of the "we have built space ships ourselves" theory.)
zorgon, thanks for doing the work & I have to think more about our shared 'critter' info before I jump in.
I take it then that there is a general agreement here that this video does show a UFO.....so we all are at the point where some say it is a man made mechanical craft or it is an alien mechanical craft, & others say either organic as a living 'critter' or constructed organic craft.
Well that is fine but all I can hope for here is that everyone can SEE that an unknown object crosses over the shuttle & then this object moves up the right side of the shuttle as the Russian camera looks down.
So what are the Russians saying when they zoom in????
Does anybody care?
It can not be ice..right?
It's not debris, not the CanadaArm, so what does that?
So this video has a UFO. We all agree!?? So this should matter.
Quote from: Martyn Stubbs on September 13, 2014, 11:52:21 PM
zorgon...You are looking at the same things that I am. Specifically Plasma.
Yeah we are the two main proponents of the Plasma Critters. Ever since I read Trevor's article and saw his images from the 50's I was on that. I know you are a friend of Trevors as well
Sorry for all the noise here lately... seems there is always an Opera waiting in the wings. I will be taking a new direction over the next few weeks to change that. Glad you popped in
One point about the plasma critters... when we started we were the nut cases. Today main stream science is finding out that plasma lifeforms are not only possible but likely Do a google search for "Plasma Life Forms" and you will see
That said...
QuoteBut 1st, I feel that the problem with this subject is always the hang-up everyone has with craft having to be mechanical.
Yes we are up against a "I WANT TO BELIEVE" syndrome that desperately wishes it all to be Alien Spaceships here to save the world and solve man kinds problems for us.
My personal opinion is that the vast majority fit into the plasmoids theory and only a few fit the solid craft theory
I have noticed that many top UFOlogist are starting to lean towards Critters. People like Jacque Vallee, Robert Bigelow (and the rest of the Aviary) add the inter dimensional aspect ( I will cover that soon)
QuoteI watched the final show for this year, of the series "Falling Skies"... & they had the correct idea. An organic craft..everything connected via a central nervous system. The lead had to figure out how to move it & pulled on various tendons to 'drive'.
FARSIDE has the same concept A living craft. Several other shows have used the same theme. And today NASA and the Air Force are working on living, morphing skins for our own craft
The thing is whether they are plasma Critters, or living spacecraft, or metallic ships with a plasma shield... they would all exhibit similar characteristics (ie glowing, blurry, etc)
QuoteAnd remember Babylon 5 had a "living craft" that the characters were all afraid off.etc...
yeah almost forgot that one ::)
QuoteYet BIG box office is still "Transformers"! Giant machines. Same with the Matrix battle scenes. Man vs machine.
So the masses are being battered by mechanistic thinking & eat it up. I don't get this.!! So 'critter' thinking is weird for many. Just as 'ships from other planets' is still all the rage.
Oddly enough in Transformers they use the term "Planet Dirt" That is very significant for us but the subject of another thread
QuoteI'm thinking that the organics are dimensional travelers, who can move about our solar system.
I agree, so did the Aviary
QuoteAnd yes, there are big variances in the NASA UFOs, as this object looks plasma free..as the 2nd. Space phenomena (type 2:streaks or 'fastwalkers') also appear plasma free.
Just because some are doesn't mean all must be Not all our airplanes are stealth craft either
But here is my problem with the craft vs the critters
An Alien craft would require having come from vast distances (or other dimensions) WHY would they appear in our skies by the hundreds to just flit about aimlessly in our skies, fluttering about literally like moths to a light. I refer to the swarms like the tether incident and the thousands of orbs seen daily that seem to have no substance or purpose
These types to me are the critter life forms that I believe have always been on earth and have been mistaken for other things
I can easily separate the types after years of study. I find it easy to say one is a critter, another is likely a craft
We are a very vane species. We think we are important enough to warrant hundreds of daily visits from aliens that do nothing? Never once land, just zip round the skies
The real craft, like the 1952 Washington flap and some seen at A51 those are different and more likely real craft. They behave differently. The "Foo Fighters" of WWII I class as the Ctritters. They seem curious, seem to have a basic intelligence. They are aware of us but I don't think we can communicate yet. They are harmless, but do set off EM proximity sensors a lot
The odd thing is Jim Oberg at ATS linked me to a NASA document written in the 60's that addressed the 'plasma phenomena that were plaguing NASA space craft ( Like the fireflies that Glenn saw)
So we are dealing with THREE separate things here 1) The amoeba like plasma life forms 2) the )likely) alien craft either living or plasma shielded and 3) the hard craft using a different propulsion (and those seem the ones we are flying)
NASA also has a contractor paper dated 1961 that was a FINAL draft of Shielding concepts for space craft
Quote from: Martyn Stubbs on September 13, 2014, 11:56:14 PM
You sound hostile!...
That was a consequence of the tone of your post, polite posts get polite answers.
QuoteFast forward & watch the light move to the right. (I know you now know that now!) ..just saying again..
Well, you wrote "Just watch the UFO (the bright light) move above the shuttle... from left to right & then move up the shuttle. ", but I see nothing like that.
What I see at the start of the video (in those overexposed, yellowish images) is the shuttle with a bright light (that I suppose is part of the shuttle) below it, after that I see the shuttle, rotated 180º when compared with the start of the video, with the bright light above it (because of the 180º rotation) and a small light to the right. That light has an apparent movement from bottom to top of the frame from the first time I see it (at 04:27) up to near the end of the video (at 08:35), when it disappears from the frame.
So, what I see and described above, doesn't match what you said on your opening post, unless I missed or misunderstood something.
There is also one UFO sighting from Florida
It was filmed for over 20 minutes
What is shows is a Critter giving birth :o
Denise Stoner, MUFON Florida, agrees with me on that one
Tallahassee, Florida, September 05, 2005 - Critter giving 'Birth'
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/03files2/Florida_Sept_05_2005.html
I will post the video but see the page as there is a lot of info on it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Nbik0F86vs
Stabalized
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxgyOdOROsY
Stabalized Enhanced
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-FZrhvxwXs
I think I see now what you mean by a light moving from left to right, but that looks like lens flare.
The skeptics are focusing on videos they can at least try to explain..but I have noticed...even with those 99 FAQs...that Jim Oberg is ignoring videos like this because they can not deny the authenticity of the video..
and there is not an alternative theory to this (& others videos) when it is NOT ice & NOT debris.
I have checked everything that I have from Jim since I streamed the tether from a website on March 11 2000, & he has stuck to a specific group of videos, & is invisible (like right here, right now) when videos such as this one are posted.
Quote from: Martyn Stubbs on September 14, 2014, 12:27:16 AM
So what are the Russians saying when they zoom in????
I understand some words of Russian, but I can't understand what they are saying, which is not surprising, as my knowledge of Russian is very limited.
QuoteDoes anybody care?
I do.
QuoteIt can not be ice..right?
I'm not sure what you're talking about, but I don't think there's any ice on that video.
QuoteSo this video has a UFO. We all agree!?? So this should matter.
Almost. :)
It looks to me like there are two separate things on the video, a lens flare at the beginning and the light seen from the middle to the end of the video, which could be many things, including a flying object that I cannot identify.
Quote from: ArMaP on September 14, 2014, 12:37:35 AM
I think I see now what you mean by a light moving from left to right, but that looks like lens flare.
No,no,no! Not a lens flare. But that is a great example of all there is to say about this object..other than a UFO...unknown.
ArMaP..check out the lower left of the picture after NASA goes to the shuttle camera, & look at the pulsing object..turn up the brightness if you have to, & please note that the object is in the same spot that we last see it from the Russian camera shooting above.
Look at the positions. Hope you see it & yes I do get things wrong...as you suggest!!
Quote from: Martyn Stubbs on September 14, 2014, 12:27:16 AM
zorgon, thanks for doing the work & I have to think more about our shared 'critter' info before I jump in.
Take your time Its been an ongoing project and I have yet to catch one :P
QuoteI take it then that there is a general agreement here that this video does show a UFO.....so we all are at the point where some say it is a man made mechanical craft or it is an alien mechanical craft, & others say either organic as a living 'critter' or constructed organic craft.
Yes we can all agree its a UFO but many people tend to use "UFO" to mean "Alien Spacecraft" automatically. I would say this is a good one. But then you have brought us MANY good ones over the years
In fact no one would have ever seen all those early UFO's had it not been for you intercepting the transmissions (And Jim Oberg would have been out of a job :P )
QuoteWell that is fine but all I can hope for here is that everyone can SEE that an unknown object crosses over the shuttle & then this object moves up the right side of the shuttle as the Russian camera looks down.
The thing is I made the same point on the STS 80 film When they zoom in on the 'object" that is now nearly over the horizon. Considering that it is still visible so far away and the fact they zoom in for a last look is PROOF that it is NOT a small ice particle or debris Skeptics always avoid that one
QuoteSo what are the Russians saying when they zoom in????
Does anybody care?
I care :D but I don't speak Russian Two members here do One is Oberg and the other is Sarkoy. I wouldn't trust Oberg to translate :P and Sarkoy has not posted in a while I WILL email him and see if he can translate for us
QuoteIt can not be ice..right?
It's not debris, not the CanadaArm, so what does that?
I think the only person here that would say "It's ice or debris" is the guy you created 8)
QuoteSo this video has a UFO. We all agree!?? So this should matter.
You know what the problem is Martyn? Only a few of us still care... why? because in all these years we are no closer to actually toaching one than we were after Roswell. People get tired. We all know they are covering up stuff, we keep getting hints and clues. I get real insiders leaking me real info, but at the end of the day I still have no SOLID proof that I can slap on the table and say HERE IT IS!!!
If you look around the UFO conventions you will hear about hundreds of crash retrievals yet not one person has ever laid one scrap of that on the table (since Roswell) that I can touch.
It makes it hard for the average believer to keep up. Add to that and the scads of fakery these days... people just get tired. I don't blame them. I left here for a few months for the same reason AFTER I heard that presentation at the Atomic Museum in Vegas that featured John Alexander, Nick Pope, Charles Haltand the head of Blue Book (and one other I forget)
I listened to that and it was the same old mind games... I did discover Nick Pope is a non believer. Charles did have more info on that sighting of his and John did slip a comment that most missed (even George Knapp... he said in passing... "By the way... we have tracked them by satellite" (meaning UFO's) That was it just that simple slip No one in the room picked up on it
I will buy the recording
zorgon...wow nice find. I posted a while back a TJC clip of a critter he shot in IR.
Its on my you tube channel FYI.
re:STS-63... the blue haze is is???
The blue haze is not a camera issue.
I do have some comments on what you just said re: proving UFOs.etc. but I must eat dinner. I know Nick Pope pretty well & note your comment...I feel very down when I here this stuff from the so called gatherings of the famous.
You know that I care.
Quote from: Martyn Stubbs on September 14, 2014, 01:09:21 AM
I feel very down when I here this stuff from the so called gatherings of the famous.
Well I think it's old age LOL and a fickle audience
The get to the point that they start to tell the audience what they want to hear. John Lear calls it "UFO disease"
Bill Uhouse and Bob Lazar are the only two I know that had ONE story to tell and stuck to that story. The rest all end up following the crowd and giving opinions on any old UFO story. Linda M Howe backed the drone story 100%. When it was shot down as a hoax she was dragged down with it
I need to redo my entire website. I have it in my head how to proceed now to focus on the good stuff. If you don't mind I would feature a lot of your videos
Quote from: zorgon on September 14, 2014, 01:43:31 AM
Well I think it's old age LOL and a fickle audience
The get to the point that they start to tell the audience what they want to hear. John Lear calls it "UFO disease"
Bill Uhouse and Bob Lazar are the only two I know that had ONE story to tell and stuck to that story. The rest all end up following the crowd and giving opinions on any old UFO story. Linda M Howe backed the drone story 100%. When it was shot down as a hoax she was dragged down with it
I need to redo my entire website. I have it in my head how to proceed now to focus on the good stuff. If you don't mind I would feature a lot of your videos
Do you mean re-do Living moon? Whew...that would be a huge undertaking. I sense a change is coming across the board. I think you mentioned a re-focus also on the forum?
Just had a quick browse, seems an Interesting thread..hopefully not as involved as the last main one Martyn posted...with the tether...I lost track on that after so long and don't know what the conclusion was.. need to recheck it..
I see Jim Oberg is a main member on ATS...was it also said that he had worked for NASA or had connections there...
Did he eventually agree it was a UFO ? or do some see or suggest him as a disinfo agent...or is he just very hard to convince ...He seemed very knowlegable and very particular when it came to investigation...maybe more so than anyone else that Ive come across other than maybe ArMap ! :)
With this one, from what I can see...when at 4 mins 30 we see the video of the space shuttle....there seems to be a dim light to the right on what we see....and its below what looks like the two lights that may seem like eyes..with a brighter light above..
Later on at 5 mins 16 secs... the camera moves towards that light on the right...for about 15 secs and then zooms back out..the light is now ABOVE the two lights (eyes)...is this because that light is moved or the shuttle has moved..
I do not see any obvious movement of either...
so I do not see the light on the right move towards the shuttle...if that is what you partly refer to as the UFO..or critter or whatever..
At about 5 min 42 we see the two images...and the one we were watching...I see what looks like something appear over the image that may be described as critter like..that covers a large part of the image when zoomed out..
as it later zooms back to the one image we had been observing... then I can see the object appear....at about the 7 min 24 secs...that seems initially larger and you can see it closer to the top brighter light then move downwards to the two lights that look like eyes..
the glare from the lights change and it makes it harder to compare...as to how it was earlier..
but it appears very large...not what Id have expected....
They zoom in on it at about 8 mins 10...and it becomes more clear..
Are we sure it is not something on the camera lens..
The video is not really crystal clear...and has a lot of distortions...
at one point i seem to be able to see what may be critters below the shuttle...but again that may be camera distortion or lighting issues...
if its none of these then yes I can see something.. that I may describe as jelly fish type....
with the recent claim to plankton being in space..maybe Jelly fish like creatures are there as well.
To translate the Russian... I am sure there are forums for Russians or students who study it..if they can be found..im sure someone would translate the russian talk on video..
Quote from: Martyn Stubbs on September 14, 2014, 12:07:23 AM
OK but I just don't think we would show our "own" craft off during a docking op....being on live TV..no..not a chance..also their are NOT separate countries in this 'game'. There would be one unified command & no need to be anywhere near this "fake" space event.
(I'm still unsure of the "we have built space ships ourselves" theory.)
What makes you presume that there would be no other countries, or no other 'players?
One unified command? Historically, the human race hasn't faired very well in unification.
Have you ever came across Dr Peter Beter and the Battle of Harvest Moon?
Astro, Jim Oberg is NASA's official UFO debunker..
And not a very good one at that, according to him the intelligent movements of the UFO's during the Tether Incident are Ice Particles..
I bet any 4 year old could inform him that Ice doesn't move intelligently.
Quoting zorgon:
"Thouands of Orbs seen daily that seem to have no substance or purpose"
Here's my snap shot of two different Orbs: (Martyn ay not have saw this photo)
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3137.0
The one on the left (photo does not do it justice) seemed large and translucent, it was either chasing or being chased by jets.
The one on the right, I did not witness at the time of photo, but did see it in person a week prior, and was small and mettallic.
Any theories on the two types? And purposes?
Also, was Trevor Constable, the critter investigator, also the same Trevor Constable who claimed to have alien communication?
I'm being lazy, I'll go and find out now...
Quote from: Martyn Stubbs on September 14, 2014, 12:51:34 AM
ArMaP..check out the lower left of the picture after NASA goes to the shuttle camera, & look at the pulsing object..turn up the brightness if you have to, & please note that the object is in the same spot that we last see it from the Russian camera shooting above.
The shuttle camera? Do you mean this image? ???
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/1.jpg)
Quote from: astr0144 on September 14, 2014, 06:34:51 AM
I see Jim Oberg is a main member on ATS...was it also said that he had worked for NASA or had connections there...
He is also a Pegasus member. :)
QuoteWith this one, from what I can see...when at 4 mins 30 we see the video of the space shuttle....there seems to be a dim light to the right on what we see....and its below what looks like the two lights that may seem like eyes..with a brighter light above..
I suppose you mean this:
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/2.jpg)
QuoteLater on at 5 mins 16 secs... the camera moves towards that light on the right...for about 15 secs and then zooms back out..the light is now ABOVE the two lights (eyes)...is this because that light is moved or the shuttle has moved..
And this:
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/3.jpg)
QuoteThat's the only thing I see that could be considered a UFO on that video. And the movement could be from either the light or the shuttle, as they are orbiting at something like 90 minutes for a complete orbit, so they are moving fast.
At about 5 min 42 we see the two images...and the one we were watching...I see what looks like something appear over the image that may be described as critter like..that covers a large part of the image when zoomed out..
as it later zooms back to the one image we had been observing... then I can see the object appear....at about the 7 min 24 secs...that seems initially larger and you can see it closer to the top brighter light then move downwards to the two lights that look like eyes..
This?
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/4.jpg)
It looks like lens flare, either from the lens or from the glass on the window from which this was being filmed.
I made this animation to show what I think is lens flare on the first part of the video.
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/ab5415b058.gif)
The lights moving from left to right appear to be lens flare caused by the strong light at the bottom of the screen, that I think is the light on the top of the shuttle's cabin, better seen in this frame from a different video.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/5.jpg)
As for the "blue glow", I don't know what anyone is talking about, the only blue glow I see is the atmosphere getting light from the Sun. ???
Damn, in my post above about Orbs, I got my 'left' and 'right' mixed up...
Time for me to go get my head checked lol.
Maybe this thread should have been posted in Martyn's own section in the L.M part of the forum or in the UFO section rather than just in the general section....
Thanks for clarifying briefly about Jim Oberg Sinny ... Do you know if he actually officially still works for Nasa or on behalf of them to deal with ATS and other forums...or is he retired , but still keeps track on forums etc to debunk !....
I had seen some of Jim's posts ArMap on his other tether thread, but had not completed following it as it went on so long..and I did not know what his conclusions were...Sinny has now explained !
QuoteAstro, Jim Oberg is NASA's official UFO debunker..
And not a very good one at that, according to him the intelligent movements of the UFO's during the Tether Incident are Ice Particles..
Thanks for posting those images ArMap,
Yes they seem to show what I described...
The Critter image..is what I could initially see of it that I did think could have been lens flare...BUT the later one that I refer too... I am not so sure ! that did look more realistic and not so much lens flare or distortion...and IF what "Z" and others say about Critters which Im quite amazed about..if they are for real.. then maybe thats what they are... BUT they appear HUGE if that is the size of them compared to the shuttle...
Unfortunately you did not add that to compare between the two images....
I assume this is what you replied to in yellow that looked like it was from my quoted post wording..
I seem to recall writing part of that but not all as I later may have altered it...BUT I did not write in the speed details..orbiting at 90 mins !
I assume either you meant to write that outside my quote or you amended my quote and added it in..
I think that I had initially wrote this,
"That's the only thing I see that could be considered a UFO on that video.."...
but not this ! :)
"And the movement could be from either the light or the shuttle, as they are orbiting at something like 90 minutes for a complete orbit, so they are moving fast"
QuoteThat's the only thing I see that could be considered a UFO on that video. And the movement could be from either the light or the shuttle, as they are orbiting at something like 90 minutes for a complete orbit, so they are moving fast.
At about 5 min 42 we see the two images...and the one we were watching...I see what looks like something appear over the image that may be described as critter like..that covers a large part of the image when zoomed out..
as it later zooms back to the one image we had been observing... then I can see the object appear....at about the 7 min 24 secs...that seems initially larger and you can see it closer to the top brighter light then move downwards to the two lights that look like eyes..
You can see what looks like a series of objects in the 1st image you posted to my reply to my earlier initial post...that look like they could be critters...that you can see from 4 mins 30 at the lower part of the screen when the camera is zoomed out...
At about 8 mins 12 we can see that possible critter image very clearly....BUT I assume that this is being filmed from MIR observing and I think we see inside its window as the camera seems to slighly scan around and we see what I think is the specail MIR window surroundings.....so we may be getting distortion or reflection from both the camera and the inner window of what ever craft the camera is viewing from be MIR space station or another craft...
It may even have some sort of mist /condensation on the window...from an astronauts breath !
BUT the image does become much sharper...
and smaller than the initial one that I could see earlier..
I suspect that as we are both looking through a camera and window... there is a high chance its a reflection...
ArMaP...Nice work...I do not think it is lens flare & if it is, then why do the Russians zoom in on it???? You can not zoom in on a lens flare.
This video has been ignored by Jim Oberg. Why? Jim speaks Russian. So he could have heard the Russians comment on what they are looking at...& then easily have debunked this. But he did not!
I think we would get a little insight if we get this translated. Jim Oberg won't do it? Me...I'm happy with not trying to prove anything. Just leave it at this is an unknown object. Unidentified.....but not unidentifiable as something is there.... as I do think this is critter & it is curious.
Quote from: astr0144 on September 15, 2014, 06:17:27 AM
Unfortunately you did not add that to compare between the two images....
Because I didn't understood exactly what you meant.
QuoteI assume either you meant to write that outside my quote or you amended my quote and added it in..
Yes, that was suppose to be outside the quote. :-[
QuoteYou can see what looks like a series of objects in the 1st image you posted to my reply to my earlier initial post...that look like they could be critters...that you can see from 4 mins 30 at the lower part of the screen when the camera is zoomed out...
I think that's part of MIR.
QuoteAt about 8 mins 12 we can see that possible critter image very clearly....BUT I assume that this is being filmed from MIR observing and I think we see inside its window as the camera seems to slighly scan around and we see what I think is the specail MIR window surroundings.....so we may be getting distortion or reflection from both the camera and the inner window of what ever craft the camera is viewing from be MIR space station or another craft...
It may even have some sort of mist /condensation on the window...from an astronauts breath !
I agree, it looks like some condensation on the window, besides all the reflections.
Quote from: Martyn Stubbs on September 16, 2014, 12:02:23 AM
ArMaP...Nice work...I do not think it is lens flare & if it is, then why do the Russians zoom in on it???? You can not zoom in on a lens flare.
I didn't say that what they zoomed in was lens flare, what I think is lens flare is shown on the animation, while they zoom on a completely different thing.
QuoteThis video has been ignored by Jim Oberg. Why? Jim speaks Russian. So he could have heard the Russians comment on what they are looking at...& then easily have debunked this. But he did not!
That you have to ask Jim, but I can try to contact him. :)
QuoteI think we would get a little insight if we get this translated. Jim Oberg won't do it? Me...I'm happy with not trying to prove anything. Just leave it at this is an unknown object. Unidentified.....but not unidentifiable as something is there.... as I do think this is critter & it is curious.
As I am still trying to understand which one of the things on the screen is supposed to be the UFO/critter I cannot really comment on that, but I can say one thing, I don't see any thing that looks like a critter on that video.
STS-80 is a different story. :)
Quote from: Sinny on September 14, 2014, 12:01:40 PM
What makes you presume that there would be no other countries, or no other 'players?
My answer ...well... because, if you look at the state of each of the 3 military powers that can actually go to space, you will see that there is co-operation between them.
The Russians gave China it's Soyez technology. China is building a space station that will be ready just in time to replace the ISS. It's their turn! (MIR-ISS-China)
The Russians work with the US space program via ISS. America uses Russian Soyez craft to get there. (no private craft with human cargo for at least 2 yrs. we are told)
The U.S. military are now running a couple of small, unmanned mini shuttles, past the 300 mile radiation free area that the ISS lives in. These can & do remain there for over a year, using solar power. (I say a tether generating energy as seen on STS-75)
The USA would not have grounded all its shuttles, leaving human transportation to the Russians, unless the U.S. domination of space was being maintained via weapons in space ( & secret platforms)
And no way we in the west would be cool with a military base that China says it will build on the moon unless there was some master plan that included all 3 nations..etc.
So there has to be something that draws these military space agencies together...that unites them & yet remains a SECRET..
so there is no way a "breakaway" group has duplicated all this & trumped it. Not a chance. This mystery space agenda & it's new military masters do not have to tell or show us anything..& so they do not.
I do believe that if there are terrestrial craft, we probably have caught them on NASA cameras & they would be on many of the videos.
Me..well I'm looking at Critters....Organic craft...Plasma.But I do not rule anything out. There are so many different looking objects that we could have a little bit of everything!
Hi ArMaP,
Thanks for your comments, so far I appreciate that you may agree with my analysis on what I think some may have thought was a critter...
Martyn , so far did not really comment on my suggestions as far as I can see.
QuoteI agree, it looks like some condensation on the window, besides all the reflections.
Yes I am also still unclear on what exactly it is that Martyn was referring to... he has not answered your reply to your question / comment as I can make out in his reply.
Is the STS - 80 one that you do think was a UFO or Critter ? was that the tether thread !
IF I can find a Russian / English speaking Forum and have time I will try and get someone to translate what the Russians were saying !
QuoteAs I am still trying to understand which one of the things on the screen is supposed to be the UFO/critter I cannot really comment on that, but I can say one thing, I don't see any thing that looks like a critter on that video.
STS-80 is a different story.
And as you asked Sinny, did Trevor James Constable talk to aliens?
He never said that to me in any of our phone conversations. He is old enough that he was at the 1st. UFO desert meeting that is famous for someone speaking to an alien (Ashtar??)
But that was not him. He believes that the weather can & is being manipulated. LBJ said that the country that controls space will control the weather & that any nation that controls the weather will control the world.
He has schooled me on the case for Critters & yet he points out that there have been many others before him who also made a case for living critters.
I think his book.."The Cosmic Pulse of Life" is the very best case for Critters & is a must read. It has a new printing out that includes photos of the Tether Incident!!
condensation on the window?..noted but the light is zoomed in on & that can not happen with condensation.
So I should not have called this "proof of UFOs"....because I am not asking anyone for PROOF..& this is not about proof. The futility of seeking a B&W , yes or no answer is obvious to me.
But debunkers will continue their familiar mantra. They will continue to reduce all UFOs to the usual suspects. UfO researchers will continue to offer vastly differing opinions, & everyone else will draw their own conclusions.
This topic is epic in scope & contains much more than its appearance suggests. And so... we seem to be learning more about our own nature, than the nature of the UFO!
Thinking again after and having looked again, I dont think it is condensation, but some other sort of mark either on the camera lens or window...
Otherwise is that the object or part of the video that you are mainly referring to...
or is it the light that is on the right hand side of MIR that they zoom in on..
or something else or are they all related...
I see that video was posted on youtube in 2009....i was thinking it was a more recent posting..and would have thought that you would have had other answers by now seeing 90,000 people viewed it..
Quote from: Martyn Stubbs on September 16, 2014, 02:05:33 AM
condensation on the window?..noted but the light is zoomed in on & that can not happen with condensation.
Quote from: Martyn Stubbs on September 16, 2014, 02:01:19 AM
And as you asked Sinny, did Trevor James Constable talk to aliens?
He never said that to me in any of our phone conversations. He is old enough that he was at the 1st. UFO desert meeting that is famous for someone speaking to an alien (Ashtar??)
But that was not him. He believes that the weather can & is being manipulated. LBJ said that the country that controls space will control the weather & that any nation that controls the weather will control the world.
He has schooled me on the case for Critters & yet he points out that there have been many others before him who also made a case for living critters.
I think his book.."The Cosmic Pulse of Life" is the very best case for Critters & is a must read. It has a new printing out that includes photos of the Tether Incident!!
Hi Martyn, I went and looked it up myself, please see my thread here:
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7329.msg102476#new
Quote from: Martyn Stubbs on September 16, 2014, 01:45:46 AM
My answer ...well... because, if you look at the state of each of the 3 military powers that can actually go to space, you will see that there is co-operation between them.
The Russians gave China it's Soyez technology. China is building a space station that will be ready just in time to replace the ISS. It's their turn! (MIR-ISS-China)
The Russians work with the US space program via ISS. America uses Russian Soyez craft to get there. (no private craft with human cargo for at least 2 yrs. we are told)
The U.S. military are now running a couple of small, unmanned mini shuttles, past the 300 mile radiation free area that the ISS lives in. These can & do remain there for over a year, using solar power. (I say a tether generating energy as seen on STS-75)
The USA would not have grounded all its shuttles, leaving human transportation to the Russians, unless the U.S. domination of space was being maintained via weapons in space ( & secret platforms)
And no way we in the west would be cool with a military base that China says it will build on the moon unless there was some master plan that included all 3 nations..etc.
So there has to be something that draws these military space agencies together...that unites them & yet remains a SECRET..
so there is no way a "breakaway" group has duplicated all this & trumped it. Not a chance. This mystery space agenda & it's new military masters do not have to tell or show us anything..& so they do not.
I do believe that if there are terrestrial craft, we probably have caught them on NASA cameras & they would be on many of the videos.
Me..well I'm looking at Critters....Organic craft...Plasma.But I do not rule anything out. There are so many different looking objects that we could have a little bit of everything!
As a rule, I never just accept what the Governments would have us believe - I'm mean, we currently have the US and Russi aco-operating in space, whilst posing WW3 down here... ???
Besides that, activity has been reported on the moon for a few centuries... Who would that be? lol
Quote from: Martyn Stubbs on September 10, 2014, 08:35:15 PM
I am disappointed by this lack of response to this post??? Is that because Z is gone?? I hope there is more to this site than just him..great as he is. To the 50 who at least read it...thanks..but no comment...?? try again!
I am a classic lurker and hardly ever post. I have nothing to say except thanks for posting. I enjoy your content very much.
It is refreshing to come to a place where people DISCUSS this phenomena seriously. As Z said many many many years ago. The information is indeed available.
Quote from: astr0144 on September 16, 2014, 01:48:17 AM
Is the STS - 80 one that you do think was a UFO or Critter ?
I think that, in one of the STS-80 videos, we can see something that, while technically a UFO (as it's an unidentified object flying/floating above the clouds), looks to me more like a living organism.
Quotewas that the tether thread !
I (or maybe
zorgon)may have posted that video on the tether thread, I have to look for it. :)
Quote from: Martyn Stubbs on September 16, 2014, 02:05:33 AM
condensation on the window?..noted but the light is zoomed in on & that can not happen with condensation.
That's what happens when people talk about something without specifying clearly what they are talking about. :)
The light that they zoom-in on is not the condensation/whatever on the window, that light appears, to me, more like a bright star or planet, not only because of the way it looks but also because it appears to move at the same speed as they are orbiting Earth, which would probably mean something very far away and apparently stationary.
You've been awfully fussy with peoples words lately ArMaP, are you feeling okay?
Quote from: Martyn Stubbs on September 14, 2014, 12:07:23 AM
OK but I just don't think we would show our "own" craft off during a docking op....being on live TV..no..not a chance..also their are NOT separate countries in this 'game'.
What I was trying to say (ages ago in the thread so it's going to take me a while to catch up now) is that as we have not identified what the object is we can't really assign motives like "checking out the space station" to it.
I agree it is definitely a UFO (or a UOO Unidentified Orbiting Object ;D) as we have not identified it. It is very interesting footage though and I'll catch up on the thread later and add my comments if I have any so thanks for posting it.
I have a big interest in a lot of this stuff if you don't remember me.
{edit: It's OK I remember you now LOL}
Quote from: Sinny on September 16, 2014, 02:27:06 PM
You've been awfully fussy with peoples words lately ArMaP, are you feeling okay?
I am, thanks. :)
I am always fussy with words when those words are (or are supposed to be) used in defining things, as I like to know what I am supposed to be talking about.
Probably a side-effect of working with things that follow specific definitions.
PS: it's always possible that I may sometimes act in a harsher way, as I am human (I think) and have personal problems like everybody. In case that happens, my apologies to everyone.
PPS: I noticed the capital "P". ;)
That's perfectly reasonable :)
And yup, when I want to remember something, I try my best to apply it as much as possible :D
Mr. Stubbs,
Thanks so much for sharing the fruits of your diligent labor and observations, et al. You're right, this site is the right place for this type of discussion, for though we may have some characters with strong opinions, we're all focused pretty squarely on the search for truth, rather than on chasing each other around with flaming sticks.
I'm one of the video and image processors at Pegasus, and I've processed the footage you posted from the Russian Federal Space Agency, and those small sections that show Discovery during this docking maneuver rendezvous test-run.
Pretty amazing uncut, though very interesting processed a bit. Attached is a once-through that I've worked up that uses an aligned and solarized close-up, and dual alignments of the footage - aligned to both the unknown object/optical highlight and Discovery itself.
At 2:59, the Cosmonauts drop the "star filter" on their video camera, and then later remove the filter. One wonders what that Cosmonaut was thinking at that moment. Hoping to augment the shot? Or distract?
At the end of my work-up, I've included a wonderful clip of MIR shot by Discovery Astronauts during the post-rendezvous test maneuver fly-around. Note the interesting piece of something that flies right to left at 6:39. This bit of footage was in the post-flight press conference, but edited out of the STS-63 Mission Highlights Resource Tape.
In general, while working this footage, a couple of things are evident.
1. Yes, there are many optical artifacts (such as at 4:51), however these don't maintain their relative horizontal and vertical positions in a stable fashion. They swirl centrally around the lightsource that has spawned them.
2. While one might argue that the target area to the right of the shuttle is likely an optical artifact being generated by a light source coming in from off-camera left (like, the rising sun), the fact is the object does not change or bob up and down as the cosmonaut filming changes position vertically.
3. The fact that the camera operator zooms in on the target for a moment is a strong indicator of it being present tangibly outside of the MIR station (as you mentioned previously in this thread).
All in all, a very interesting episode from the Pantheon of Space Flight. Here's my work-up, a Pegasus Exclusive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dx9YRerMM0
All the Best!
Paulie
very good, paulie 8) very good; your efforts are appreciated.
seeker
@Paulie - Daaaaaaang! ;D
That certainly clears up a few things.
So is the footage that you show at the lower right side observing the light that we see to the right hand side of MIR and that does suggest its a UFO !
That object at 6mins 39 certainly also appears to be so...Very Interesting !
QuoteAt the end of my work-up, I've included a wonderful clip of MIR shot by Discovery Astronauts during the post-rendezvous test maneuver fly-around. Note the interesting piece of something that flies right to left at 6:39. This bit of footage was in the post-flight press conference, but edited out of the STS-63 Mission Highlights Resource Tape.
Nice work, Paulie! That behavior sure looks familiar... Where have I seen it before...? Hmmmm.
pschrier..Great video work-up..thank you...
ArMaP..Not a star cuz the zoom comes into focus, then out, as the zoom continues..so the camera zooms back out, & the UFO is in focus for a sec.
We should hope for a translation on the "russian" spoken as the camera zooms in. Attention all Russians anywhere in the world.!!
So this is another video from the STS-63 mission & also takes place during the lengthy docking procedure.
This UFO moves from below the shuttle window on the right side ..then upwards, left. The UFO stops & moves slowly across the window to the right side.
The Shuttle is in free fell at 17,000mph. SOOOO what moves around like that?
It appears to be checking things out. This behavior suggests a Critter. Just looking at this object shows it is not debris or ice . Ice & debris "move faster than a bullet" in space, & would damage the shuttle says the science in the movie "Gravity"!!!
At least they would not do what this object is doing.
I suggest that this is yet another MYSTERY OBJECT..a UFO.
or..what ..? this is the same sequence as this threads lead video & it has
another UFO that you can not miss..check this out..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiZbPp2Xbbc
Quote from: Martyn Stubbs on September 18, 2014, 11:38:47 PM
So this is another video from the STS-63 mission & also takes place during the lengthy docking procedure.
This UFO moves from below the shuttle window on the right side ..then upwards, left. The UFO stops & moves slowly across the window to the right side.
The Shuttle is in free fell at 17,000mph. SOOOO what moves around like that?
It appears to be checking things out. This behavior suggests a Critter. Just looking at this object shows it is not debris or ice . Ice & debris "move faster than a bullet" in space, & would damage the shuttle says the science in the movie "Gravity"!!!
At least they would not do what this object is doing.
I suggest that this is yet another MYSTERY OBJECT..a UFO.
or..what ..? this is the same sequence as this threads lead video & it has
another UFO that you can not miss..check this out..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiZbPp2Xbbc
Dust particle INSIDE the cabin...look closely at the right side of the screen where it exits. You can plainly still see it on the black part INSIDE the cabin so I am convinced there is nothing more to this.
Quote from: Martyn Stubbs on September 18, 2014, 11:38:47 PM
The Shuttle is in free fell at 17,000mph. SOOOO what moves around like that?
When the astronauts/cosmonauts exit the shuttle/station they are also moving at 17,000 mph, but to an observer aboard the shuttle and/or the station they move at normal speed.
QuoteIt appears to be checking things out.
That's debatable, to me it doesn't look like it has a specific intention.
QuoteIce & debris "move faster than a bullet" in space, & would damage the shuttle says the science in the movie "Gravity"!!!
That's misleading, a piece of ice that gets free from the shuttle is moving at the same speed as the shuttle (besides the speed at which it separated from the shuttle, obviously) so it's not moving "faster than a bullet" to the shuttle.
QuoteAt least they would not do what this object is doing.
I agree with that. :)
QuoteI suggest that this is yet another MYSTERY OBJECT..a UFO.
It sure is unidentified to me. :)
Quote from: Ellirium113 on September 18, 2014, 11:55:14 PM
Dust particle INSIDE the cabin...look closely at the right side of the screen where it exits. You can plainly still see it on the black part INSIDE the cabin so I am convinced there is nothing more to this.
That's right, nice catch. :)
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/zn541b6696.gif)
Wow..you have a good answer.
I added this video, to see if it is anything at all, or related to the other object...And it's not! thanks..
I can't put up any decent alternative ..& it is not important to this threads video topic...so nevermind!!!!
Of more importance..
I'm waiting for a Russian translation on this thread's video 'zoom in'. That is because there is general agreement that the object is ..unknown. And that is good enough.
Quote from: Martyn Stubbs on September 19, 2014, 01:23:35 AM
Of more importance..
I'm waiting for a Russian translation on this thread's video 'zoom in'. That is because there is general agreement that the object is ..unknown. And that is good enough.
I'll email somebody at Army intelligence and ask them to get a Russian translator to have a listen. I can't promise they will agree to do it but I know they have a number of Russian speakers for obvious reasons.
I tried signing up to a Russian speaking forum,
and asked if anyone could advise me...
unfortunately as a newby it wont allow me to post any Urls...
but it seems a poorly active site.... :(
May try again if no one else manages to get any translation..
Thank you for trying. I just can not believe that nobody can get this translated, as this site must be viewed world wide! Not even Oberg!!
Can I draw the conclusion that Oberg & others already know what is said & are ignoring this on purpose.. thus this UFO is what it is...unidentified.
We finally did it. We have an object that can not be explained! We have a UFO.
Soooo I will move on & post another thread that builds on this NASA theory that there is a whistleblower at NASA & these objects stay in these videos for us to discover.
As we have finally got a genuine UFO on a live video...Next week I shall post 2 UFOs placed by a NASA whistleblower in the body of 2 pre-recorded NASA SELECT TV productions.
Stay tuned...& hang in there...NASA is trying to tell us something!!
I'm waiting for a reply about the translation. If I don't get one I'll try another line of communication but we may not get any help from that direction.
Quote from: Martyn Stubbs on September 22, 2014, 01:42:55 AM
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Can I draw the conclusion that Oberg & others already know what is said & are ignoring this on purpose.. thus this UFO is what it is...unidentified. ....
Nope, just means I never bothered with every obscure chat room you post too.
Only just came across this now by accident.
But same rule applies -- I'll put in the effort needed to truly explain such videos when you acknowledge that previous efforts -- sts-48 for starters -- were successful.
Otherwise, why waste my time on a closed mind?
Quote from: JimO on July 21, 2015, 05:25:07 AM
Otherwise, why waste my time on a closed mind?
Said the POT to the .....oh well you get it!
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on July 21, 2015, 10:47:35 AM
Said the POT to the .....oh well you get it!
Do you have a grown-up response to my STS-48 report?
'I aint' go time to bleed'.... ::)
Quote from: JimO on July 28, 2015, 01:28:17 PM
Do you have a grown-up response to my STS-48 report?
Just spotted this myself..... This is a seriously slow thread it seems.
If you concluded that the abruptly changing direction "UFO" was an ice particle moved by the thrusters then I'd agree.
So will you give us a clue what the Russian in this thread indicates? I know it's been a while but I had the small issue of Brexit to arrange. :)