Martyn Stubbs 99 Proof of UFOs: #1-STS-63 examined by a UFO

[Martyn Stubbs]

So I should not have called this "proof of UFOs"....because I am not asking anyone for PROOF..& this is not about proof. The futility of seeking a B&W , yes or no answer is obvious to me.

But debunkers will continue their familiar mantra. They will continue to reduce all UFOs to the usual suspects. UfO researchers will continue to offer vastly differing opinions, & everyone else will draw their own conclusions.

This topic is epic in scope & contains much more than its appearance suggests.  And so... we seem to be learning more about our own nature, than the nature of the UFO!

[astr0144]

Thinking again after and having looked again, I dont think it is condensation, but some other sort of mark either on the camera lens or window...

Otherwise is that the object or part of the video that you are mainly referring to...

or is it the light that is on the right hand side of MIR that they zoom in on..

or something else or are they all related...


I see that video was posted on youtube  in 2009....i was thinking it was a more recent posting..and would have thought that you would have had other answers by now seeing 90,000 people viewed it..

condensation on the window?..noted but the light is zoomed in on & that can not happen with condensation.

[Sinny]

And as you asked Sinny, did Trevor James Constable talk to aliens?

He never said that to me in any of our phone conversations. He is old enough that he was at the 1st. UFO desert meeting that is famous for someone speaking to an alien (Ashtar??)

But that was not him. He believes that the weather can & is being manipulated. LBJ said that the country that controls space will control the weather & that any nation that controls the weather will control the world.

He has schooled me on the  case for Critters & yet he points out that there have been many others before him who also made a case for living critters.

I think his book.."The Cosmic Pulse of Life" is the very best case for Critters & is a must read. It has a new printing out that includes photos of the Tether Incident!!

Hi Martyn, I went and looked it up myself, please see my thread here:
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7329.msg102476#new

[Sinny]

My answer ...well... because, if you look at the state of each of the 3 military powers that can actually go to space, you will see that there is co-operation between them.

The Russians gave China it's Soyez technology.  China is building a space station that will be ready just in time to replace the ISS. It's their turn! (MIR-ISS-China)

The Russians work with the US space program via ISS. America uses Russian Soyez craft to get there. (no private craft with human cargo for at least 2 yrs. we are told)

The U.S. military are now running a couple of small, unmanned mini shuttles, past the 300 mile radiation free area that the ISS lives in. These can & do remain  there for over a year, using solar power. (I say a tether generating energy as seen on STS-75)

The USA would not have grounded all its shuttles, leaving human transportation to the Russians, unless the U.S. domination of space was being maintained via weapons in space ( & secret platforms)

And no way we in the west would be cool with a military base that China says it will build on the moon unless there was some master plan that included all 3 nations..etc.

So there has to be something that draws these military space agencies together...that unites them & yet remains a SECRET..

so there is no way a "breakaway" group has duplicated all this & trumped it. Not a chance. This mystery space agenda & it's new military masters do not have to tell or show us anything..& so they do not.

I do believe that if there are terrestrial craft, we probably have caught them on NASA cameras & they would be on many of the videos.

Me..well I'm looking at Critters....Organic craft...Plasma.But I do not rule anything out. There are so many different looking objects that we could have  a little bit of everything!

As a rule, I never just accept what the Governments would have us believe - I'm mean, we currently have the US and Russi aco-operating in space, whilst posing WW3 down here... 

Besides that, activity has been reported on the moon for a few centuries... Who would that be? lol

[franspeakfree]

I am disappointed by this lack of response to this post??? Is that because Z is gone?? I hope there is more to this site than just him..great as he is. To the 50 who at least read it...thanks..but no comment...?? try again!

I am a classic lurker and hardly ever post. I have nothing to say except thanks for posting. I enjoy your content very much.

It is refreshing to come to a place where people DISCUSS this phenomena seriously. As Z said many many many years ago. The information is indeed available.

[ArMaP]

Is the STS - 80 one that you do think was a UFO or Critter ?

I think that, in one of the STS-80 videos, we can see something that, while technically a UFO (as it's an unidentified object flying/floating above the clouds), looks to me more like a living organism.

was that the tether thread !

I (or maybe zorgon)may have posted that video on the tether thread, I have to look for it.

[ArMaP]

condensation on the window?..noted but the light is zoomed in on & that can not happen with condensation.

That's what happens when people talk about something without specifying clearly what they are talking about.

The light that they zoom-in on is not the condensation/whatever on the window, that light appears, to me, more like a bright star or planet, not only because of the way it looks but also because it appears to move at the same speed as they are orbiting Earth, which would probably mean something very far away and apparently stationary.

[Sinny]

You've been awfully fussy with peoples words lately ArMaP, are you feeling okay?

[Pimander]

OK but I just don't think we would show our "own" craft off during a docking op....being on live TV..no..not a chance..also their are NOT separate countries in this 'game'.

What I was trying to say (ages ago in the thread so it's going to take me a while to catch up now) is that as we have not identified what the object is we can't really assign motives like "checking out the space station" to it.

I agree it is definitely a UFO  (or a UOO Unidentified Orbiting Object  ) as we have not identified it.  It is very interesting footage though and I'll catch up on the thread later and add my comments if I have any so thanks for posting it.

I have a big interest in a lot of this stuff if you don't remember me.

{edit: It's OK I remember you now LOL}

[ArMaP]

You've been awfully fussy with peoples words lately ArMaP, are you feeling okay?

I am, thanks.

I am always fussy with words when those words are (or are supposed to be) used in defining things, as I like to know what I am supposed to be talking about.

Probably a side-effect of working with things that follow specific definitions.

PS: it's always possible that I may sometimes act in a harsher way, as I am human (I think) and have personal problems like everybody. In case that happens, my apologies to everyone.

PPS: I noticed the capital "P".

[Sinny]

That's perfectly reasonable

And yup, when I want to remember something, I try my best to apply it as much as possible

[pschrier]

Mr. Stubbs,

Thanks so much for sharing the fruits of your diligent labor and observations, et al. You're right, this site is the right place for this type of discussion, for though we may have some characters with strong opinions, we're all focused pretty squarely on the search for truth, rather than on chasing each other around with flaming sticks.

I'm one of the video and image processors at Pegasus, and I've processed the footage you posted from the Russian Federal Space Agency, and those small sections that show Discovery during this docking maneuver rendezvous test-run.

Pretty amazing uncut, though very interesting processed a bit. Attached is a once-through that I've worked up that uses an aligned and solarized close-up, and dual alignments of the footage - aligned to both the unknown object/optical highlight and Discovery itself.

At 2:59, the Cosmonauts drop the "star filter" on their video camera, and then later remove the filter. One wonders what that Cosmonaut was thinking at that moment. Hoping to augment the shot? Or distract?

At the end of my work-up, I've included a wonderful clip of MIR shot by Discovery Astronauts during the post-rendezvous test maneuver fly-around. Note the interesting piece of something that flies right to left at 6:39. This bit of footage was in the post-flight press conference, but edited out of the STS-63 Mission Highlights Resource Tape.

In general, while working this footage, a couple of things are evident.

1. Yes, there are many optical artifacts (such as at 4:51), however these don't maintain their relative horizontal and vertical positions in a stable fashion. They swirl centrally around the lightsource that has spawned them.
2. While one might argue that the target area to the right of the shuttle is likely an optical artifact being generated by a light source coming in from off-camera left (like, the rising sun), the fact is the object does not change or bob up and down as the cosmonaut filming changes position vertically.
3. The fact that the camera operator zooms in on the target for a moment is a strong indicator of it being present tangibly outside of the MIR station (as you mentioned previously in this thread).

All in all, a very interesting episode from the Pantheon of Space Flight. Here's my work-up, a Pegasus Exclusive.



All the Best!

Paulie

[The Seeker]

very good, paulie  very good; your efforts are appreciated.

seeker

[A51Watcher]

@Paulie - Daaaaaaang! 

That certainly clears up a few things.

[astr0144]

So is the footage that you show at the lower right side observing the light that we see to the right hand side of MIR and that does suggest its a UFO !

That object at 6mins 39 certainly also appears to be so...Very Interesting !

At the end of my work-up, I've included a wonderful clip of MIR shot by Discovery Astronauts during the post-rendezvous test maneuver fly-around. Note the interesting piece of something that flies right to left at 6:39. This bit of footage was in the post-flight press conference, but edited out of the STS-63 Mission Highlights Resource Tape.