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Coming to a street near you - the lights that keep you awake and could make people ill...

I just walked outside my house after I thought that there was a UFO shining thru the Front door...

What did I see ? without any prior warning !

The Day before there was the long term Street  yellowish Street Lights..

Now they are replaced by this !  VERY Bright lights...that look like UFOs..

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/04/22/article-2609957-1CE7923300000578-4_634x407.jpg)

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/04/22/article-2609957-1CE8351C00000578-2_634x422.jpg)

DO they have cameras and Microphones in them one may wonder ?

Does anyone else have these in their Streets as yet ?

Don't know if its a Coincidence but I did not sleep well at all last Night...with headaches and facial / neck / tooth pains..

Councils claim LED lights use less energy than conventional sodium bulbs

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Hounslow council agree to dim lights after complaints from residents .But the local authority won't replace the 16,000 lights across the borough Bury council in Manchester plan to change 11,000 lights by 2017

Similar schemes underway in parts of Blackburn, Birmingham and Glasgow However, scientists claim that LED lights can disrupt sleep patterns LED lamps can also leave some patches of street and pavement almost entirely unlit — and potentially vulnerable to criminals
By ALICE-AZANIA JARVIS
PUBLISHED: 01:45, 22 April 2014 | UPDATED: 11:38, 22 April 2014
     
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When Andy Richards saw a dazzling light beaming through his bedroom window, his first thought was of alien invasion. 'It was like The Day Of The Triffids,' he says. 'This brilliant white glare.'
Opening his curtains, he realised the source was more mundane. It came from the street light outside the two-bedroom home he shares with his wife Kate in Chiswick, West London.
Unbeknown to the couple, Hounslow council had installed LED lamp-heads on the street lights along their quiet residential road. The gentle, golden glow of the old lamps has been replaced by a harsh beam which, they say, makes it impossible for them to sleep.
Not such a bright idea: One of the controversial new LED street lights
Not such a bright idea: One of the controversial new LED street lights

So desperate have the couple become, they have taped a large pieces of black cardboard to their windows.
'It's like a World War II blackout,' says Andy, a 61-year-old record producer, who has lived on the street for 25 years. 'It was the only thing we could do. We've had three miserable weeks without sleep.'

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The council claims LED lights were chosen because they use less energy, so they are cheaper to operate and more environmentally friendly than conventional sodium bulbs.

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After several weeks of pestering from Andy — he started texting local councillor Colin Ellar, a proponent of the new system, at 2am 'so that he knew what it was like to go without sleep' — the council has agreed to dim the lights for a trial period.
However, despite the protestations of the Richardses and their neighbours, the council won't be reconsidering its plan to replace almost 16,000 lights across the borough. And Hounslow isn't the only council eagerly embracing LED street lights. Across Britain, local authorities have fallen for the new 'energy efficient' lighting.
Bury council in Manchester has announced plans to change 11,000 street lights on 1,850 side-roads throughout the borough by 2017.
Scheme: Bury council in Manchester has announced plans to change 11,000 street lights on 1,850 side-roads throughout the borough by 2017
Scheme: Bury council in Manchester has announced plans to change 11,000 street lights on 1,850 side-roads throughout the borough by 2017
Similar schemes are under way at Bassetlaw in Nottinghamshire and Blackburn in Lancashire, as well as parts of Birmingham, Sheffield, Gloucestershire and Glasgow.
And the picturesque Norfolk town of Fakenham can be seen in a whole new light — literally — thanks to the instalment of 30 LED lamps in the town centre.
Fans of LED lamps, which first appeared on British streets in 2011, point to the environmental and financial advantages they offer.
While conventional sodium street lamps light up when an electric current is passed through lithium gas, making it glow, lamps powered by LEDs — light-emitting diodes — glow when current passes through a solid material such as gallium, known as a semiconductor.
They use up to 60 per cent  less energy than sodium lamps and are said to last up to eight times longer, reducing maintenance costs and halving electricity bills.
Lighting up: One of the new LED streetlights that have been installed on the residential roads around the Hounslow council area of Chiswick, London
Lighting up: One of the new LED streetlights that have been installed on the residential roads around the Hounslow council area of Chiswick, London
They are also easy to operate. LEDs produce light immediately when they are switched on rather than taking time to heat up, and can be controlled remotely via digital sensors.
It has even been claimed that their bright 'floodlight-style' beams will deter criminals.
Yet wherever LED lights are installed, they leave residents in uproar.
In Llandough, Wales, locals have organised a petition to have their recently installed LED street lights removed and replaced with the originals.
Last year, Bath council was forced temporarily to stop replacing the city's street lamps with LEDs and hold a public consultation, so vociferous were complaints after the first 2,000 were erected.
And in Trafford, Manchester, residents have threatened to take their council to court if it continues with plans to replace all its 27,000 street lights.
But why are the objections so strong? If the lights can, as Hounslow council promises, be dimmed  if necessary — and if they use less energy, save money and reduce crime — what is so wrong with the new system?
Rather a lot, it turns out. Because, it seems that in their rush to embrace the new 'green' technology, Britain's councils have ignored several serious health issues.
Studies have indicated that LED lights disrupt sleep by suppressing the body's production of melatonin, a hormone which governs our sleep patterns. All light consists of different colour combinations, and visible light falls on a rainbow-like spectrum, which extends from red to blue. Natural light combines all the colours of the spectrum, but the light given off by LEDs is overwhelmingly blue.
Too much 'blue light' suppresses our biological clock, resulting in lower-quality sleep. This in turn increases the likelihood of heart disease, obesity and diabetes. It damages the immune system and leaves sufferers vulnerable to depression and anxiety.
It has even been suggested that too much exposure to LED light causes blindness. Last year, a Spanish study suggested that the light emitted by LED bulbs can damage cells in the retina. By way of illustrating just how potent their glare can be, consider that LED lights are generally banned in art galleries because they bleach the paint on works on display.
'They are dangerous and potentially damaging,' says Simon Nicholas, a 53-year-old chartered engineer who successfully campaigned to stop LED lights being erected in Trafford until further research is done.
Too bright: Studies have indicated that LED lights disrupt sleep by suppressing the body¿s production of melatonin, a hormone which governs our sleep patterns
Too bright: Studies have indicated that LED lights disrupt sleep by suppressing the body¿s production of melatonin, a hormone which governs our sleep patterns
'Local councils have embraced this technology without looking into the health concerns. All they care about is the bottom line.'
Certainly, there was no inquiry into the health implications of the lights before they were installed in Chiswick. Indeed, councillor Colin Ellar claims to have been unaware of the dangers, which were widely reported, until a few days ago. Meanwhile, those affected by councils' new-found zeal for the LED bulbs are questioning just how much taxpayers' money they will, ultimately, save.
Roderick Binns, 65, who lives a few doors away from Andy and Kate, says his council bills  have increased.
'It doesn't feel as though any reduction is being passed on.'
In fact, the initial cost of installing LED lamps is remarkably high. Replacing Trafford's lights would cost £9.3?million. Although in some instances the bulbs can be installed on top of posts that are already in place, in others installing LED involves ripping down and replacing the entire lamp frame, at a cost of about £500 a unit.
Benefits: Hounslow council claims LED lights were chosen because they use less energy, so they are cheaper to operate and more environmentally friendly than conventional sodium bulbs
Benefits: Hounslow council claims LED lights were chosen because they use less energy, so they are cheaper to operate and more environmentally friendly than conventional sodium bulbs
Essex County Council was recently forced to halt plans to replace its lamps when it emerged that the work involved would cost a staggering £31?million.
Even with the energy savings the lights should bring, it could take 20 years for installation costs to be recouped.
Simon Nicholas, who campaigned against the lights in Trafford, says: 'If you were saving energy at home, would you buy a new £500 unit or put a low-watt bulb in? Why can't they just do that?'
Roderick Binns, a property consultant, says that residents in Chiswick could actually lose money because the unsightly lights might affect the value of their homes.
'For those right in front of a light, they're a negative, not a positive,' he says.
What's more, contradicting the claim that bright LED light would lower crime rates, some say the lights may in fact increase antisocial behaviour.
Studies into the effect of lighting on crime have produced mixed results. LED lamps tend to focus their light on one particular spot instead of diffusing light evenly, as their predecessors did. As a result, they leave some patches of street and pavement almost entirely unlit — and potentially vulnerable to criminals.
'It doesn't make sense,' says Les Godwin, a councillor in Prestbury, Chesire, who is opposing the introduction of LEDs in his neighbourhood. 'If you have a well-lit area and you turn it into one with dark parts, that can't be good.'
Councillor Ellar admits that, as well as receiving complaints over the brightness of the lights, he has been told by residents 'in around 25 instances' that coverage where they live is so patchy, the streets are now too dimly lit.
Above all, what appears to have angered people is that LED lamps, like so many other modern innovations, are an ugly and potentially harmful blot on the urban landscape.
'The colour rendering is awful,' says Roderick Binns.
'Street lamps usually give a kind of gentle glow but this is a harsh white light. It's very off-putting.'
In Manchester, the lights have been nicknamed 'UFO lamps' because of their unforgiving glare.
Given that some of Britain's lampposts date back to the 19th century, ripping them down in large numbers is a rather poignant loss to local historians.
As Simon Nicholas puts it: 'You wouldn't rip down historic statues. It's vandalism.
'It's a matter for central government — at the moment nobody's paying attention and nobody's stopping this. It's worrying.'
Until then, it will be down to determined home-owners like him to protect their streets from the invasion of the UFO lamps.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2609957/Coming-street-near-lights-awake-make-people-ill.html#ixzz4A5UjtZPe

I have a photo for you .. one moment

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How many also have recently been given Smart Meters ?

That's something else they are now trying to replace the old meters and install...both Gas and Electric !

kinda big for a ballast

(http://i.imgur.com/Rsdj3mI.jpg)

I wonder if this is really just to control the flow of electricity ?

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Is that something that has recently appeared in your Street Funbox ?

Quote from: astr0144 on May 29, 2016, 12:29:18 AM
Is that something that has recently appeared in your Street Funbox ?

indeed , and that is what is buried in the ground next to it , you can see the lead going to the base of the lamppost

everything is in permanent veg

funbox

When did you first notice it ?

If it is near a existing  lampost, it maybe for these new Streetlights as described in the article..

In my Street somehow they seem to have just replaced the Top of the lampost with the thing you can see in the Picture.....

Its Dark so I have not been able to have a good look at it in day light as yet..

Funny...I was going out yesterday and noticed a special vehicle in my next street that was parked at a lamppost and had a lift to the top of it..I just thought that they were replacing the std  bulb...
and had no idea they were replacing all the lamps in the area..

On going out tonight and looking around... they have replaced the whole local streets... There are two roads that still have the old lighting.. so you can compare the differences..

Initially I did think they dont look good..and in some ways they are not IMO.... they may dazzle the motorists...

But they MAY light the Roads better in some ways... BUT they appear to also cast more shadow...

My concern is do they do as Alex Jones claims and carry Microphones and cameras...as well as effect our health and sleep patterns..

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/04/22/article-2609957-1CE8351C00000578-2_634x422.jpg)

If it was say in the Road...or someones garden it maybe for the new Smart Meters..

On the TV now.. they are playing adverts to promote Smart Meters.

and they are trying to put on in my house..

I made enquiries and I was told everywhere will have them by 2020 in the UK...

It maybe for now you can request not to have them...but that wont last long from what they said..

I am not a happy bunny !

Quote from: funbox on May 29, 2016, 12:32:06 AM
indeed , and that is what is buried in the ground next to it , you can see the lead going to the base of the lamppost

everything is in permanent veg

funbox

QuoteWhen did you first notice it ?

when they dug a hole 7 metres from the existing lamppost , so I filled the whole in.. they snuck it in, the post, whilst I wasn't there , very sneaky of them .. and to date ive never seen a worker working on these things or digging holes.. but still , I notice the hole and take those pictures

QuoteIf it was say in the Road...or someones garden it maybe for the new Smart Meters..

trace the wire in the photo .. goes straight into the lamppost

QuoteOn the TV now.. they are playing adverts to promote Smart Meters.

and they are trying to put on in my house..

I made enquiries and I was told everywhere will have them by 2020 in the UK...

mapping the future is their  business :D

QuoteI am not a happy bunny !

and Easters long gone

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Who Knows what these things may do ?

Or if they are part of the  Evil "1984" / NWO agenda..

or are they for the better and we are being misled ?

but on day one , I am ill ...with headaches..so I will have to see how things go !

I think they maybe effecting my E.T Implants !  ???

Quote from: astr0144 on May 29, 2016, 12:53:18 AM
Who Knows what these things may do ?

Or if they are part of the  Evil "1984" / NWO agenda..

or are they for the better and we are being misled ?

but on day one , I am ill ...with headaches..so I will have to see how things go !

I think they maybe effecting my E.T Implants !  ???

I think its way past the stage of weather it is or isn't :D

im figuring Will Carling had the right idea

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wigDHjEwPuE

but not to stress ,nefarious plans always end up failing eventually

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I wonder just how many areas have now had these new Street Lights ?

I would like to have someone explain / to confirm who maybe works for or manufactures them..if they may have other agendas..

I also wonder if they have been put in place for if the World / Country  has some major up and coming collapse..

Quote from: astr0144 on May 29, 2016, 02:02:58 AM
I wonder just how many areas have now had these new Street Lights ?

I would like to have someone explain / to confirm who maybe works for or manufactures them..if they may have other agendas..

I also wonder if they have been put in place for if the World / Country  has some major up and coming collapse..

seems like there being tested in the U.S too

http://www.ledsmagazine.com/articles/2013/12/outdoor-lighting-london-makes-led-street-light-plans-us-and-uk-projects.html

ultimately nothing a black-widow and some ball bearings wouldn't sort out :D

funbox

I am tempted to get my caterpult and some ball bearings or an air rifle..  but may upset other neighbors and so many have "I Phones"/ cameras, they may just catch me on camera if they know no different..and say they may prefer them..

Not all will listen even if you may be able to try to prove that they maybe bad for us.. but it maybe worth sending leaflets to them to inform them that they maybe also contain spy cams..etc

But there are a series of small lights in the thing..not just one large bulb..It maybe that you need to break all the individual lights to knock it out fully depending how the electrical circuits are designed..

But I Hope we have some vandals that may decide to go on a campaign..in which I may be tempted to join them..

but I want  to know if they have cameras first.. as they would be able to track you all around the area and have  it all recorded..

Needs some careful research & planning..

I need to try to see if there are holes around in the area like you have shown...

I don't think that they did up each lamppost... It maybe a case there is one hole per street...not each lamppost and that they are in series...so if you knock one out.. all may go out..

Even if they did get destroyed... They may then replace them..
but may not if enough show opposition to them..

Although some were in the know about them that they were planning it since maybe 5 yrs ago and have opposed its progress..... I don't recall getting any letter or leaflet about them..prior...


I just went outside again and the street looks weird...

Im not so sure that the light is any better..BUT I suspect also that they may dim them later on thru out the night...is that a good idea thou ?   It wont help us spot crooks or help motorist..

Quoteultimately nothing a black-widow and some ball bearings wouldn't sort out :D

QuoteI am tempted to get my caterpult and some ball bearings or an air rifle..  but may upset other neighbors and so many have "I Phones" they may just catch me on camera if they know no different..and say they may prefer them..

if they're nefarious, by the time we know for certain it will be too late.. remember wetwired?

Quote
But there are a series of small lights in the thing..not just one large bulb..It maybe that you need to break all the individual lights to knock it out fully depending how the electrical circuits are designed..

you can use my thermite belt idea.. rust + magnesium+ holding belt
wrap it around the lamppost , stand back whilst lighting the touchpaper *magnesium* with a blowtorch.. should be down in no time

QuoteI don't think that they did up each lamppost... It maybe a case there is one hole per street...not each lamppost and that they are in series...so if you knock one out.. all may go out..

ive seen multiple holes .. I doubt that doing one will do them all

QuoteAlthough some were in the know about them that they were planning it since maybe 5 yrs ago and have opposed its progress..... I don't recall getting any letter or leaflet about them..prior...

indeed , ole Douglas pop up to say hello again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNmIQX_ImgM

funbox

Ive just been for a walk around my local area for 10 minutes..

It seems all the local streets and entries (Back Alleys) are completed..
EXCEPT the one back alley behind my house...

I cannot see a single  sign of an area where there may have been a hole.....

and the lights when I look more closely are different to the ones shown in the article I posted...MANY MORE smaller lights...

I think what you are suggesting is to destroy the whole lamp posts...not just the lamp parts..

I had not been out for the last few nights to check if any of the lamps in other nearby streets where on or  not.. or if they have only just put them ALL on in the last two days..

The thing is around my area to what it once was.... It is very quite at night...over the years I suspect the stresses and changes of peoples lives have changed how they once were..

At one time you would have gangs of lads who may well try to knock the lights out especially when they were new...
But there is not as many teens around to what there once was..

It maybe that some of  the oldies will have to go back to their teen days...

But as I say Im still concerned these lights have spy cameras..

Im probably on camera as I have just been walking around..

I looked at the lights again and It seems that they  have just changed the lamp part only somehow..

Im not sure How Street lamps and Ones House Electrics may compare...or if the Electric supply may be able to run both...

or what to expect when they come wanting to replace the electric meters with the new smart meters.

Do they need to dig holes in the street or garden for them I wonder... or is there any way that they maybe combining both street lighting and your Electrics if they say were going to install smart meters as well..

Need an electricians view on it !


I have  one unusual surprise..

Many weeks ago I found a large fan that had been left out side  someone house who must have thrown it away...but it was missing a front guard..But I took it home and tried it and it worked fine..

As I was walking down another street on my walk to check the lighting in the area...I came across a Fan Guard and it looked the right size on a skip...I picked it up and took it home and checked it...and it fits ok..

what are the odds of that I wonder ?  :)

First of all, I didn't read all the text, the lack of line breaks makes it hard to read, and I stopped when I read that sodium lamps use lithium gas, as that's not true, sodium vapour lamps use sodium (a metal, like lithium) and an inert gas like neon, argon or xenon.

Another thing that's wrong in the text is that LED lights give a light that is too blue and so affects people's sleep by messing with melatonin levels. As anyone that has looked at red LED showing that some appliance is on, LEDs can be made to emit in any colour. For white lamps the method usually used is to have ultraviolet LEDs inside the lamp covered with a phosphorescent material that turns ultraviolet light into visible light, like in fluorescent lamps.

At my home we have been replacing all old incandescence and fluorescent lamps with LED lamps, as they use much less power than incandescence lamps (a 100W incandescence lamp gives as much light as a 70W halogen lamp, a 23W fluorescent lamp and a 15W LED lamp) and (supposedly) last longer.

As for the colour of their light, we have lamps emitting light with colours from 2700K (yellowish white) to 6500K (bluish white, like the one I have in my room and that doesn't affect my sleep :) )

From what I read of the article, it looks like they chose those lamps without thinking about the colour of their light or about the shape of the light projected from the lamps, as they really look more like projector lamps than lamps for replacing common street lights. A quick look at the site of a Portuguese company that sells LED lamps for all purposes shows me that they have lamps with a light colour of 4000 K, similar to the light of an incandescence lamp and warmer than the light from a mercury vapour lamp (a kind of lamp also used on street lights that has a white light instead of the yellow light from the sodium vapour lamps).

QuoteBut there are a series of small lights in the thing..not just one large bulb..It maybe that you need to break all the individual lights to knock it out fully depending how the electrical circuits are designed..

Probably, as they are not likely to be connected in series like Christmas lights but in parallel, so if one goes out they do not have to replace the whole head. In fact, each one of those small lights is made up from several LEDs, as the light a LED emits comes from a very small point. I will post a photo that shows what I mean after lunch and after watching the Monaco F1 Grand Prix. :)

I would guess these are nothing more than high efficiency low amperage LED lighting to conserve power. While it may be right to be paranoid that your government is spying on you, I would think putting up a surveillance network in conjunction with these lights would yield very low amounts on intel in urban areas and I couldn't see the logistical cost of it paying off in any sort of way as there simply is not a lot of terrorist activity or much other anti-government activity happening at peoples homes other than maybe on the PC which they already have covered anyways. From what I have seen the surveillance lights have a dome with a swivel camera in them. Those you might find in commercial areas.

Quote from: Ellirium113 on May 29, 2016, 02:07:54 PM
I would guess these are nothing more than high efficiency low amperage LED lighting to conserve power. While it may be right to be paranoid that your government is spying on you, I would think putting up a surveillance network in conjunction with these lights would yield very low amounts on intel in urban areas and I couldn't see the logistical cost of it paying off in any sort of way as there simply is not a lot of terrorist activity or much other anti-government activity happening at peoples homes other than maybe on the PC which they already have covered anyways. From what I have seen the surveillance lights have a dome with a swivel camera in them. Those you might find in commercial areas.

do you have any idea of what that is in the hole ?.. bit big for a ballast no ?

what someone needs to do is crack one of them open , see what type of gubbins is inside

funbox

Quote from: funbox on May 29, 2016, 02:16:48 PM
do you have any idea of what that is in the hole ?.. bit big for a ballast no ?

what someone needs to do is crack one of them open , see what type of gubbins is inside

funbox

The hole could simply be access point for a mount bolt or something...I agree someone needs to see if they can spot a manufacturing label, name or cross reference the style of light with a supplier and see the specs on the light. The point is regardless of what they put up for a light there would need to be a separate set of wiring ran for the network to link them all to the mainframe. I can't see these being any sort of Bluetooth device.

Quote from: Ellirium113 on May 29, 2016, 02:24:05 PM
The hole could simply be access point for a mount bolt or something...I agree someone needs to see if they can spot a manufacturing label, name or cross reference the style of light with a supplier and see the specs on the light. The point is regardless of what they put up for a light there would need to be a separate set of wiring ran for the network to link them all to the mainframe. I can't see these being any sort of Bluetooth device.

are you aware you can run a network through the electricity grid of your home ?
what's saying it doesn't work on the main electricity line's too,

Quotespot a manufacturing label

maybe it was under the paint :D

funbox

QuoteI have  one unusual surprise..

Many weeks ago I found a large fan that had been left out side  someone house who must have thrown it away...but it was missing a front guard..But I took it home and tried it and it worked fine..

As I was walking down another street on my walk to check the lighting in the area...I came across a Fan Guard and it looked the right size on a skip...I picked it up and took it home and checked it...and it fits ok..

what are the odds of that I wonder ?  :)

interestingly portentous , what does the fan smell of?

funbox

Quote from: funbox on May 29, 2016, 02:29:08 PM
are you aware you can run a network through the electricity grid of your home ?
what's saying it doesn't work on the main electricity line's too,


maybe it was under the paint :D

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Yes I am aware of networking through the electricity grid but if you really want to get that paranoid just remember that every light in every building could be set up in the same fashion. The need to mic street lights seems to me a complete waste of time considering the amount of terrorists and culprits that hang out under street lights discussing their unlawful plans. How many conversations are you going to hear as cars are zipping by, lawnmowers going, dogs barking etc. They will spend money where it is practical to do so and I just don't believe that is an efficient use of resources unless it is in an area known to have a large amount of criminal activity.

Quote from: funbox on May 29, 2016, 02:50:11 PM
interestingly portentous , what does the fan smell of?

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FOCLMAO, , , , , , heh heh heh heh , ,thanky,  ;D

, , as for those lights, this would help  8) 

Quote from: funbox on May 29, 2016, 02:16:48 PM
do you have any idea of what that is in the hole ?.. bit big for a ballast no ?

Probably a transformer, and if they have the capability of dimming the lights then it's probably a variable power supply.

Its obamas speach in japan of a higher moral.the idea is to police us into insanity or absolute obediance.
Each light would be just another android.only camouflaged to be a light ,probably powered by solar.

Resistance is futile ,obediance to the state is all that matters.
All run by a computer that cares about you.with base programing done by psychopath mormons at nsa.
Just remember,every pyramid skeam ,eats its young.

I hate to say it but we all see what needs to be done,the matrix must be killed.its gotten out of hand.its become oppressive.it violates all civil history law.

Here are two photos showing a small LED light I bought some weeks ago, just to make some tests. :)

This is supposed to be used to replace the light above the passengers on a car, but in this format it can be used anywhere.

Each small point on that yellowish surface is a LED.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Sam_3227.jpg)

When on (with a low current) we can see the individual LEDs .
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Sam_3228.jpg)

PS: if they wanted to add cameras and/or microphones on the light poles they wouldn't need to replace the heads, they just had to put the cameras there. In fact, it would be easier to add a small camera to a larger head than to those smaller (and fragile looking) heads.

(http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w400/thorfourwinds/outdoor_120313.jpg)

Outdoor Lighting: London makes LED street light plans; US and UK projects - LEDs (http://www.ledsmagazine.com/articles/2013/12/outdoor-lighting-london-makes-led-street-light-plans-us-and-uk-projects.html)

"Meanwhile, municipalities large and small continue to pursue SSL streetlight upgrades around the globe. The Pascoag Utility District in Burrillville, Rhode Island, for example, became the first entity in the state to test LEDs on 56 streetlights, according to the Providence Journal. The small project has resulted in a $1710 decrease annually in energy costs and $2535 decrease in maintenance costs."

$30.53 per light in savings.

Just how much difference in price are these new LEDs and their old counterparts?

"But the impact of the project could be far greater. In part the success is leading Rhode Island to be the first state to force utilities to allow municipalities to buy energy-efficient streetlights and capitalize on savings. Work in the Rhode Island Public Utilities Commission will allow municipalities to get a lower rate for lower-power fixtures, and an even lower rate when adaptive controls are applied. The action could make the state a leader in LED adoption for roadway lighting."

"The upfront cost of the project will be GBP 8.2 million that will be spent over the next two years. But the Council pointed to a combination of energy savings, safer roads, and reduced light pollution as justification for the expense."


Texas plaza demonstrates uniform outdoor lighting, no spill (http://www.ledsmagazine.com/articles/print/volume-13/issue-3/features/outdoor-lighting/led-lit-texas-plaza-demonstrates-uniform-lighting-no-spill.html)

Published on: March 28, 2016
By Maury Wright
Editor in Chief, LEDs Magazine

"One of the many advantages of LED-based lighting is precise beam control, and that attribute is very important in area-lighting applications such as a recent project completed by US Energy Management in Allen, TX. The Twin Creeks Village shopping plaza underwent a solid-state lighting (SSL) retrofit of its parking lot that has resulted in significant energy savings and - equally important - is delivering much-better-quality lighting. The prior high-pressure sodium (HPS) lighting was replaced by Edge High Output (HO) LED luminaires from Cree...

The property owners at Twin Creeks had asked US Energy to propose a one-for-one retrofit of the existing HPS lighting. That prior lighting design had two 1000W fixtures on each pole at a mounting height of 40 ft. The HPS lighting had delivered an average of 3.9 fc at the parking lot surface. But the owners weren't happy with the lack of uniformity that is apparent in Fig. 1 - a depiction of the prior HPS installation. The HPS lighting yielded bright spots under poles and much lower light levels between poles. Fig. 2 depicts the much more uniform LED lighting."

(http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w400/thorfourwinds/1603LEDSF4_fig1.png)

FIG. 1. The high-pressure sodium (HPS) lighting at the Twin Creeks Village shopping plaza in Allen, TX exhibited hot and dark spots and poor color rendering.

(http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w400/thorfourwinds/1603LEDSF4_fig2.png)

FIG. 2. Cree Edge HO LED luminaires were used to improve the uniformity of lighting in the lot to the property perimeter while minimizing light spill.

(http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w400/thorfourwinds/1603LEDSF4_fig3.png)

FIG. 3. The Edge HO LED luminaire is specifically designed for high-output lighting applications in which 1000W HID fixtures have been commonly used.

imho adaptive and safer streets are code words for spy,as this is simplest way. have android run the whole system,  but i do like the cost thing, and the light polution thing.

Quote from: thorfourwinds on May 29, 2016, 07:49:34 PM

(http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w400/thorfourwinds/1603LEDSF4_fig1.png)
FIG. 1. The high-pressure sodium (HPS) lighting at the Twin Creeks Village shopping plaza in Allen, TX exhibited hot and dark spots and poor color rendering.

(http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w400/thorfourwinds/1603LEDSF4_fig2.png)
FIG. 2. Cree Edge HO LED luminaires were used to improve the uniformity of lighting in the lot to the property perimeter while minimizing light spill.

The second photo was either altered or not taken in the same conditions as the first, as we can see that the lights in the background are much brighter than on the first photo and the letters on the building at the right look white instead of blue. :)

Quote from: Ellirium113 on May 29, 2016, 03:28:12 PM
Yes I am aware of networking through the electricity grid but if you really want to get that paranoid just remember that every light in every building could be set up in the same fashion. The need to mic street lights seems to me a complete waste of time considering the amount of terrorists and culprits that hang out under street lights discussing their unlawful plans. How many conversations are you going to hear as cars are zipping by, lawnmowers going, dogs barking etc. They will spend money where it is practical to do so and I just don't believe that is an efficient use of resources unless it is in an area known to have a large amount of criminal activity.

who said anything about microphones ? im more interested in them being used to induce hypnogogic states :D

funbox

Quote from: funbox on May 29, 2016, 11:29:19 PM
who said anything about microphones ? im more interested in them being used to induce hypnogogic states :D

funbox

Yes, I suppose that is an imminent threat since the invention of the lightbulb. That could have been done decades ago, why the sudden worry about it now? Why not just have them psychotronically speak to you in your own head instead?

Quote from: funbox on May 29, 2016, 11:29:19 PM
who said anything about microphones ? im more interested in them being used to induce hypnogogic states :D

It would be much easier to use TV images. :)

Quote from: Ellirium113 on May 30, 2016, 12:01:50 AM
Yes, I suppose that is an imminent threat since the invention of the lightbulb. That could have been done decades ago, why the sudden worry about it now? Why not just have them psychotronically speak to you in your own head instead?

why not ? coverage I guess :D every city in the country at the turn of a switch opposed to targeted weaponry, why would they need to talk to you ?

funbox

Quote from: ArMaP on May 30, 2016, 12:16:23 AM
It would be much easier to use TV images. :)

as they can , but then some people don't watch tv do they ArMaP :D

funbox

Quote from: funbox on May 30, 2016, 12:51:16 AM
as they can , but then some people don't watch tv do they ArMaP :D

True, but not all people are affected by street lights either, specially during the Summer.

well they do have the princes leigha app out that turns phone into 3d image. saw it on kimmel. so yes armap, they could show you 3d commercials as you stand under light.
add companies pick up the xtra cost of upgrade.  lol, just a few years out i suspect.

Quote from: funbox on May 30, 2016, 12:48:38 AM
why not ? coverage I guess :D every city in the country at the turn of a switch opposed to targeted weaponry, why would they need to talk to you ?

funbox

Well unless your a moth you probably aren't going to get mind controlled by a strobing streetlight. Even still... SUNGLASSES.

Quote from: robomont on May 30, 2016, 02:59:32 AM
well they do have the princes leigha app out that turns phone into 3d image. saw it on kimmel.

A link would be good. :)

Quote from: Ellirium113 on May 30, 2016, 04:00:29 AM
Well unless your a moth you probably aren't going to get mind controlled by a strobing streetlight. Even still... SUNGLASSES.

what part of the uv spectrum causes mind control or trance like states ? .. what your thinking of is fear, you would need glasses like zaphod Beeblebrox had. the joo janta 200's I believe

funbox

I note the reply posts to think about that I may be able to reply to later in more detail.

If the LED street Lights are legit and for power saving then no doubt they seem a good thing.

They do look more like the image "Thor" Posted..but at the moment Im not sure id say they are exactly the same..

I tried to use Binoculars to read a small lable on the light, but I am unable to read it, but I did also notice its got "Phillips" wrote on it..

On a quick search , I cannot find  an exact match so far..

(http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w400/thorfourwinds/1603LEDSF4_fig3.png)
Thors Image.


If there is more to them.. such as further surveillance then they are a concern to some of us I would think.

I mainly recall the issues being raised by Alex Jones some years ago, maybe back in 2011/12.

Ive not rewatched all the video again in full and cannot recall all about them...

but...

The last link refers to some designs that may "X Ray" us all and undress us... as well as read our minds or maybe make predictions about us...they also may carry wifi and may even talk to us...say if it detects anyone doing wrong !

But in looking at the ones in my area, I cannot see anything that suggests that they have cameras in them..
When you look at them.... they seem quite slim and positioned to look Flat / Horizontal in how the Main Bulb  head part or Lights shine downwards... ie they dont seem very angled to shine in outer directions very far..It seems most of the light shines down in a concentrated area...certainly when you look at them from further away..BUT it maybe that they can swivel in various directions and alter their positions..up down or around by 360 degrees.

They dazzle you when your closer up to them...but not from further away...say from 200 or maybe 100 feet away or more..

. I would find it hard to believe that they would fit all that into the size of it..but technology is occurring at the minute size levels who knows what may be possible..

The only way I think we can ever tell is to have some experts check them and diagnose them...as long as they are willing to be truthful and tell us what they find..

So I wonder if they are as A.J suggests what are they doing during the day ? when the lights do not shine !

http://www.prisonplanet.com/smart-street-lights-to-track-everything-we-do-all-the-time.html


'Smart' Street Lights to "Track Everything We Do All the Time"

QuotePaul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
July 1, 2014
Smart street lights that "track everything we do all the time" are on the horizon according to a CBS News report which touted the environmental benefits of new LED systems that also feature an array of surveillance capabilities.

The lights are being marketed as a fantastic energy saving device because they have motion sensors which detect foot traffic, allowing them to switch on and off only when required.
A CBS News report showcases the smart lights in action at Newark Airport and at an underground parking lot, while imagining that all 4 billion outside street lights may eventually all be "connected in one global network."
A "seamless grid" of smart lights networked with surveillance cameras also provides security for a parking lot outside a Silicon Valley building, tracking an individual's "every move" while also utilizing license plate recognition technology to store data about vehicles.
"The future is limitless for this technology," asserts Shorenstein Engineering manager Kevin Kirk.
"In the future, the smart network could track every place we go, everything we buy, everything we do all the time," states reporter Bill Whitaker.
Responding to the charge that such a scenario "sounds Orwellian," Hugh Martin, Chairman and CEO of Sensity Systems, cited the necessity to protect schools by using the smart system to detect guns, while denying that the technology was racing ahead of policy makers' ability to control its reach.
What the CBS report failed to mention is that some of the "high-tech add ons" being included in smart street lights include technology that can record conversations.
Last year we reported on how Illuminating Concepts, the company behind Intellistreets, bragged on their website that their smart LED system, which is being rolled out in major cities like Las Vegas, has the capability of analyzing voices and tracking people, features that will aid the Department of Homeland Security in "protecting its citizens."
A page on the Intellistreets website (since removed) which highlighted "benefits and applications" featured a section on security admitting that the hi-tech system includes "voice stress analyzers," amongst several other sophisticated sensors that "assist DHS in protecting its citizens and natural resources."
Authorities in New York City announced last year that they would be replacing the city's 250,000 street lights with new LEDs by 2017, although it is not known how many of these will feature "smart" technology.
While the CBS report raises a few token privacy questions, the tone of the piece is undoubtedly positive, touting the brightness, longevity, security and environmental benefits of the new street lights. At the end of the report, one of the studio anchors alongside Charlie Rose glibly exclaims, "Big Brother is watching," as if it's a good thing.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/new-street-lights-to-have-homeland-security-applications.html

New Street Lights To Have "Homeland Security" Applications


High-tech system to include speakers, video surveillance, emergency alerts
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Wednesday, October 26, 2011

QuoteUPDATE: Presumably in response to this article being linked on the Drudge Report, the company behind 'Intellistreets', Illuminating Concepts, has now pulled the video from You Tube entirely, presumably nervous about the negative publicity that could be generated from concerns about street lights being used for "Homeland Security" purposes – their words, not ours. We have added an alternative version of the clip below, but it may be subject to removal at any time. The video is still available on the company's website.
RELATED: Promo Video For DHS-Backed 'Spy Street Lights' Pulled From You Tube
New street lights that include "Homeland Security" applications including speaker systems, motion sensors and video surveillance are now being rolled out with the aid of government funding.

The Intellistreets system comprises of a wireless digital infrastructure that allows street lights to be controlled remotely by means of a ubiquitous wi-fi link and a miniature computer housed inside each street light, allowing for "security, energy management, data harvesting and digital media," according to the Illuminating Concepts website.
According to the company's You Tube video of the concept, the primary capabilities of the devices include "energy conservation, homeland security, public safety, traffic control, advertising, video surveillance."
In terms of Homeland Security applications, each of the light poles contains a speaker system that can be used to broadcast emergency alerts, as well as a display that transmits "security levels" (presumably a similar system to the DHS' much maligned color-coded terror alert designation), in addition to showing instructions by way of its LED video screen.
The lights also include proximity sensors that can record both pedestrian and road traffic. The video display and speaker system will also be used to transmit Minority Report-style advertising, as well as Amber Alerts and other "civic announcements".
With the aid of grant money from the federal government, the company is about to launch the first concept installation of the system in the city of Farmington Hills, Michigan.

Using street lights as surveillance tools has already been advanced by several European countries. In 2007, leaked documents out of the UK Home Office revealed that British authorities were working on proposals to fit lamp posts with CCTV cameras that would X-ray scan passers-by and "undress them" in order to "trap terror suspects".
Dutch police also announced last year that they are developing a mobile scanner that will "see through people's clothing and look for concealed weapons".
So-called 'talking surveillance cameras' that use a speaker system similar to the Intellistreets model are already being used in UK cities like Middlesborough to bark orders and reprimand people for dropping litter and other minor offenses. According to reports, one of the most common phrases used to shame people into obeying instructions is to broadcast the message, "We are watching you."
The transformation of street lights into surveillance tools for Homeland Security purposes will only serve to heighten concerns that the United States is fast on the way to becoming a high-tech police state, with TSA agents being empowered to oversee that control grid, most recently with the announcement that TSA screeners would be manning highway checkpoints, a further indication that security measures we currently see in airports are rapidly spilling out onto the streets.
The ability of the government to use street lights to transmit "emergency alerts" also dovetails with the ongoing efforts to hijack radio and television broadcasts for the same purpose, via FEMA's Emergency Alert System.
The federal government is keen to implement a centralized system of control over all communications, with the recent announcement that all new cell phones will be required to comply with the PLAN program (Personal Localized Alerting Network), which will broadcast emergency alert messages directly to Americans' cell phones using a special chip embedded in the receiver. The system will be operational by the end of the year in New York and Washington, with the rest of the country set to follow in 2012.
The notion of using the street lights as communication tools to broadcast "alerts" directly from the federal government is also consistent with Homeland Security's program to install Orwellian 'telescreens' that play messages by Janet Napolitano and other DHS officials in Wal-Mart stores across the country.
The fact that the federal government is funding the implementation of 'Intellistreets' comes as no surprise given that the nation's expanding networks of surveillance cameras are also being paid for with Department of Homeland Security grants.

Some videos that came up in a search...Not sure why the links appear so large..

DHS 'Spy Street Lights' Video Pulled From YouTube: Lionel, Alex & Paul Watson Report 1/2
Promo Video For DHS-Backed 'Spy Street Lights' Pulled From You Tube Company gets nervous after creepy 'Intellistreets' concept exposed by Drudge Report Paul ...
youtube.com   15:23   4 years ago   

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Alex Jones on 1984 tyranny - street lamps that listen to you & etc 2011.11.08.
Fascism 2 Intellistreets.flv http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw10eKxaSDY CIA Orchestrated Operation Fast and Furious Gov Allowed Mexican Drug Cartel To Import...
youtube.com   15:14   4 years ago   

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Big SIS Monitors Twitter & Spy Street Lights on Infowars Nightly News
Insider fighting in Greece and surprise call for referendum could put EU at risk and crash markets if the banker takeover plan is not approved. Behind the sc...
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Street Surveillance Is Here, LED Light Spies
A New Jersey airport sets up "Energy Efficient" Lights that also spy on travelers before they even get to the ticket counter. These energy-efficient upgrades...
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Do you mean the fan or the Cover ?

I only tried the Fan for 5 minutes to see if it works..and never noticed any strange smell during that time..It maybe a bit tall for Cats to do any business on the main fan itself  :) as its on a tall stand.. unless they were spraying from a high wall...

If I do use it ...I will have to be careful at least in the early stages with it being 2nd hand Electrical... as it may have damp in it..but I think it had only recently been put out the day before mainly due to the cover missing..where it  could be a danger .

Quoteinterestingly portentous , what does the fan smell of?

FOCLMAO, , , , , , heh heh heh heh , ,thanky,  ;D

, , as for those lights, this would help  8)
funbox/ Novel

astro, you may not have an android or i phone,but these things are almost growing legs.if they go full nanny state,as it looks they are,expect it.
they already lied to us about stop light cameras.about cellphones,this is next obvious play.it keeps asia happy with manufacturing and the usa installers get a cut too.the true financial backer is probably getting a big time snitch fee,yearly.because humans are not perfect,and never will be.so ai filters out law breakers ,and everybody is a slave to ai.in a nut shell.
a true christian hell.

Hi Robo,

I do have an "I Phone" but  do not use it anymore...

I am aware of some of the things that you refer to .. as I indicated that I had seen Alex Jones videos about them...

Then on PRC some suggested that maybe we were being misled..
a bit like " Sorcha Faal " I think the term was... ie some things maybe part truths..

So its still hard to know for sure what is for real or truths..

But it terrifies me if this is all a NWO agenda as described by A.J..

and I DO think it is VERY Possible what he suggests..

ONE MAIN Question however is HOW much do they really need to do to monitor us all..and at what costs ?

Surely if they want to eventually destroy us... they have enough ways already..why do they need every Street to have several monitors ie these new Street Lights as well as all our Electrical items and Computers / Phones etc.

or are they playing a game to get all that they can on us for what ever reason....maybe a sadist Dominant like agenda to torment us all..and have the satisfaction of ultimate control over us all.

One will have to question ones LIFE from now on if there is no way to alter this...

No one will be able to hide or deny anything if they are monitoring all our conversations and are capable of mind monitoring or Mind controlling us all..

Quote from: robomont on May 31, 2016, 05:01:37 AM
astro, you may not have an android or i phone,but these things are almost growing legs.if they go full nanny state,as it looks they are,expect it.
they already lied to us about stop light cameras.about cellphones,this is next obvious play.it keeps asia happy with manufacturing and the usa installers get a cut too.the true financial backer is probably getting a big time snitch fee,yearly.because humans are not perfect,and never will be.so ai filters out law breakers ,and everybody is a slave to ai.in a nut shell.
a true christian hell.

Alex Jones, to me, looks like someone that is always spreading fear because he lives from people's fears, so the more fear he can inject into people the better for him.

That maybe the case,

but he seems to also be one who does cover such issues in details that you you may not easily obtain elsewhere and make people aware of possibility of such things...

Maybe even if he is 50% right...that maybe seen as worth noting.. and  I would say that he could be educating us..

But that's not to say that he could be working on behalf of such agendas if there is truth in what he describes to openly paint a scenerio to us of what fear the P.T.B want to install in us without being accused of directly doing so.

I also think it would be hard to believe that somethings that he is not telling the truth..

It seems like he was right about such things as there being a Gender Identity issue by the Elites as I believe as being seen a major concern by the majority of us I would think.. They seem to have gone way too far IMO and in a very short time..

Woman repulsed by female urinals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1OScRMwL1s

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9411.msg124359;topicseen#new

Or the Microchipping of Children..I do not agree with that..
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9394.msg124353#msg124353

Quote from: ArMaP on May 31, 2016, 09:26:53 AM
Alex Jones, to me, looks like someone that is always spreading fear because he lives from people's fears, so the more fear he can inject into people the better for him.

i dont need aj to tell me,i helped build the system.i came up with digital radio in 1980.my college professor laghed at me.i was in the eighth grade taking basic on a trs 80 with cassette.as im 12 hours from homelessness myself.im not going into more detail than this ,as i got to save my gig.for emergencies etc.
except its to slave us,theyve already got all the cash and assets,nothing left but slavery.for most.the big picture is easy to see but your eyes have to be wide open.
good luck to all who dont oppose me.ill check in when i can.

Quote from: astr0144 on May 31, 2016, 11:04:35 AM
but he seems to also be one who does cover such issues in details that you you may not easily obtain elsewhere and make people aware of possibility of such things...

Do you really look for other sources for the stories/cases he talks about? I have seen many people talking about news "nobody else covers" while I see them on Euronews.

QuoteMaybe even if he is 50% right...that maybe seen as worth noting.. and  I would say that he could be educating us..

That's where that Sorcha Faal thing comes into play, as using partial truths to make people think the whole story is true is what Sorcha Faal does, and, to me, it's a sign of dishonesty.

QuoteBut that's not to say that he could be working on behalf of such agendas if there is truth in what he describes to openly paint a scenerio to us of what fear the P.T.B want to install in us without being accused of directly doing so.

That was one of the methods used by the fascist regime in Portugal before the Carnation Revolution of 1974, if people are kept worrying about who may be  listening to what they say then they stop talking, and, if worried enough, even stop thinking about it, afraid of saying something they shouldn't just because they were thinking "bad thoughts".

That's why I don't like him.

QuoteIt seems like he was right about such things as there being a Gender Identity issue by the Elites as I believe as being seen a major concern by the majority of us I would think.. They seem to have gone way too far IMO and in a very short time..

This gender identity issue, to me, looks more like something created by those that are between the elites and the common people, the middlemen of TPTB, those that "want to be elite when grown up". Those people, during the above mentioned fascist regime, were the ones spreading the fear, as it gave them power. Not as much as those of the elites, but enough for the common people to see them as superior to themselves and, accordingly, obey them.

Quote from: astr0144 on May 31, 2016, 03:56:46 AM
Do you mean the fan or the Cover ?

I only tried the Fan for 5 minutes to see if it works..and never noticed any strange smell during that time..It maybe a bit tall for Cats to do any business on the main fan itself  :) as its on a tall stand.. unless they were spraying from a high wall...

If I do use it ...I will have to be careful at least in the early stages with it being 2nd hand Electrical... as it may have damp in it..but I think it had only recently been put out the day before mainly due to the cover missing..where it  could be a danger .

the whole caboodle , did you give the plug a wholehearted sniff too ? never be to careful with things and the like , some fans aren't for tinkering with...

funbox

I am not clear on what you saying Robo. as to how you claim to have helped build the system..at College....Was that not just a college project that may have had some initial or earlier stages connected with certain related parts of it..

I thought that you said in a post a few weeks ago that you had to next year to raise $1500 to say in your home !

Your now indicating you on your final day..

Quote from: robomont on May 31, 2016, 05:53:29 PM
i dont need aj to tell me,i helped build the system.i came up with digital radio in 1980.my college professor laghed at me.i was in the eighth grade taking basic on a trs 80 with cassette.as im 12 hours from homelessness myself.im not going into more detail than this ,as i got to save my gig.for emergencies etc.
except its to slave us,theyve already got all the cash and assets,nothing left but slavery.for most.the big picture is easy to see but your eyes have to be wide open.
good luck to all who dont oppose me.ill check in when i can.

For most things initially to do with  things that may relate to the NWO type of topics , Initially I may look at Alex Jones as I have followed him a long time..but over the last year or two I have not followed him as much,part of that may have been to some discussions we have had on PRC..

I do have one or two others that I also follow who often refer to similar things... but it maybe that get their views from Alex Jones anyway..

But I can later look at other researchers..But I do not always  think that I have some main other experts to relate to on such topics that I would trust any more as most others maybe conspiracy related....some are who may have been on A.Js show...

Im not sure that there maybe that many other suggested experts that I am aware who may for eg give their opinions on say A.Js comments...who may offer other opinions or views on some of the things that he may be saying..

Most Science related experts maybe too busy to look into such conspiracies.. and even the Science experts can have differing views...s that makes it hard to make any opinions at times.

I am not sure I trust the general media any more ...but there maybe some that are more trustworthy...

Do you have any egs that you recommend ?

IN REF to these Street Lights....A.J has said quite a lot about them in the past....BUT I AM NOT SURE if he has actually found someone to prove what he has said..

for eg he says there are various surviellence things installed in the modern Electrical devices..such as our televisions as an eg.. where he suggested they have installed cameras that can watch us and work even when switched off from the mains..maybe by a wifi type of system...

BUT he has not as yet has any expert take a TV apart and show us ! on one of his videos as far as I am aware..

Its the same with the Street Lights .. I will need to see proof of some sort to really believe it...


Its hard to say with the Smart meters..

ive seen other experts claims on it other than A.Js connections and they do concern me that they may well be as A.J described..which if so... then I do think what he is telling us would probably be correct in ref to such an agenda..

QuoteDo you really look for other sources for the stories/cases he talks about? I have seen many people talking about news "nobody else covers" while I see them on Euronews.

Its a difficult one, as some facts maybe truth and those that are can be a concern alone...

but no doubt it can be hard to know the true or whole facts..
If one is able to do the research or find  a trusted source who may offer them,,, then that maybe the only way to make any opinions on such things..

QuoteThat's where that Sorcha Faal thing comes into play, as using partial truths to make people think the whole story is true is what Sorcha Faal does, and, to me, it's a sign of dishonesty.

In many a case the true facts are not known  or covered up or things are created to mislead..or hide the truth..

I think that there seems few things that we can trust.. that there is always missing parts to any story or conspiracy related topics.

and we can always find fault in what ever any so called expert may suggest.

QuoteThat was one of the methods used by the fascist regime in Portugal before the Carnation Revolution of 1974, if people are kept worrying about who may be  listening to what they say then they stop talking, and, if worried enough, even stop thinking about it, afraid of saying something they shouldn't just because they were thinking "bad thoughts".

That's why I don't like him.

I think if the NWO or there are some in power who want to create problems...that it is very possible that they have been trying to alter our Identities or gender levels..if not fully physically, maybe more mentally...

It was suggested that Hitler was aiming to do this ! so why stop after WW2....

It may now become unstoppable while they maybe putting hormonal change substances in our food and water...

it would weaken us a more if that is their aim..

QuoteThis gender identity issue, to me, looks more like something created by those that are between the elites and the common people, the middlemen of TPTB, those that "want to be elite when grown up". Those people, during the above mentioned fascist regime, were the ones spreading the fear, as it gave them power. Not as much as those of the elites, but enough for the common people to see them as superior to themselves and, accordingly, obey them.

Quote from: astr0144 on June 01, 2016, 10:55:15 PM
I am not sure I trust the general media any more ...but there maybe some that are more trustworthy...

Do you have any egs that you recommend ?

I only watch Euronews, while taking breakfast. It doesn't look much biased, although sometimes I can see that they are more suggesting something than reporting the news.

Besides that I listen to the news on the radio, so not much from that either.

QuoteBUT he has not as yet has any expert take a TV apart and show us ! on one of his videos as far as I am aware..

And that is something easily done, as there are thousands of people that know how to do it.

QuoteIts hard to say with the Smart meters..

ive seen other experts claims on it other than A.Js connections and they do concern me that they may well be as A.J described..which if so... then I do think what he is telling us would probably be correct in ref to such an agenda..

I have a smart meter at home, they replaced the old one some two months ago, what concerns are there about them?

QuoteIn many a case the true facts are not known  or covered up or things are created to mislead..or hide the truth..

That's one thing I don't like in the "conspiracy theory" area, when things do not appear to show that some theory is then there's always the old excuse of being "covered up", with no need for any evidence of that.

QuoteI think if the NWO or there are some in power who want to create problems...that it is very possible that they have been trying to alter our Identities or gender levels..if not fully physically, maybe more mentally...

Why?

QuoteIt was suggested that Hitler was aiming to do this ! so why stop after WW2....

See the problem with those type of sentences? You said "it was suggested that Hitler was aiming to do this", so it's not something confirmed, but your "why stop after WW2" suggests that it was a fact, so what started as suggestion is now talked about as a fact.

Quoteit would weaken us a more if that is their aim..

If.

It maybe a case that even before I came across A.J I had read a book that made a lot of ref to similar related things that I did think was quite possible....so maybe many of my own views also relate to those beliefs...and my impression over the years is that much of what he claimed may well be correct..(He was a Scientist)

Some of the things he warned about was Govt Control over numerous things..media being one of them...as well as things like the health services and Drug companies..and many govt related systems..

So I am not sure that I believe many medias, but I do think some maybe better than others in what they tell us...

But maybe Id prefer what I think maybe more experts in such things like Scientists...but its hard as some of them work for Govts..and have swayed opinions..could be that they risk loosing their cred and job if they speak truth...

Govt may have too much control over too many things..

It just happens that a LOT of what A.J says relates to what I read in this book..

I have considered since that the book I read was wrote by the illuminati....even though it claims its against it..and claims to expose it...

but I could well imagine that it could be correct..

QuoteI only watch Euronews, while taking breakfast. It doesn't look much biased, although sometimes I can see that they are more suggesting something than reporting the news.

Besides that I listen to the news on the radio, so not much from that either.

If I could contact A.J..this is the main thing that I would ask him to prove ! in ref to such related things.

QuoteAnd that is something easily done, as there are thousands of people that know how to do it.

Maybe you did not read past threads /  posts about them..theres a few on PRC...

I have not reread to check their content..and there are videos that you would need to watch.. which you say you wont..

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=4977.0

QuoteI have a smart meter at home, they replaced the old one some two months ago, what concerns are there about them?

Don't think there is any easy answers to such things especially the complex ones...also it maybe that ones knowledge or  Intelligence for most / the majority may not be up to trying to determine the really complex things..thats a problem for nearly all of us..

Many of the Elite / high Govt are the top persons that's why they are in control...

QuoteThat's one thing I don't like in the "conspiracy theory" area, when things do not appear to show that some theory is then there's always the old excuse of being "covered up", with no need for any evidence of that.

Somethings one may not have easy answers to..

I can only refer to things that I have heard the likes of A.J refer to if you did not watch his videos about it..

Some of the Elite either like to experiment with our DNA or they do it to make us weaker and give into them..by altering our hormones in males as an eg..to make us more feminised...we are no longer the agressive males we may once have been..ie so we are weakened..(some (Females) may suggest it may have advantages, depends upon ones view !)

The OTHER MAIN REASON is POPULATION CONTROL ...

TO REDUCE the male sperm count and stop us having too many children and alter our DNA of any future children..

By making the population Homosexual  there will be less children..

They have already reduced the likes of some European countries populations by economic means and now they are bringing in all the immigrants as the Euro populations are lower...

To someone who has seen this happen in ones lifetime... and is aware less children are now born.... and our own are now being replaced by other nations...some may suggest thats what is happening and that do now realize what has been going on..and may well dispise it..

QuoteI think if the NWO or there are some in power who want to create problems...that it is very possible that they have been trying to alter our Identities or gender levels..if not fully physically, maybe more mentally...
Why?

I do think its very possible Hitler may well of considered such a thing..and I do think that I did see something that referred to him doing so or his plans to do so...which was to find ways to target the enemies water supply and drop female hormones into it..

If A.Js  theories are correct .. he suggested that the Elite NWO brought Hitler into power and that wars are created for their financial gain...and WW2 was just one of their agendas..

Since Nukes were developed such wars no long occur so they now have other ways to create issues and new technology could offer then ultimate control...without war..

there are too many numerous possibilities to this that would be easy to try and determine if correct or not..

QuoteIt was suggested that Hitler was aiming to do this ! so why stop after WW2....
See the problem with those type of sentences? You said "it was suggested that Hitler was aiming to do this", so it's not something confirmed, but your "why stop after WW2" suggests that it was a fact, so what started as suggestion is now talked about as a fact.

Quote
Quote

In many a case the true facts are not known  or covered up or things are created to mislead..or hide the truth..


That's one thing I don't like in the "conspiracy theory" area, when things do not appear to show that some theory is then there's always the old excuse of being "covered up", with no need for any evidence of that.

sounds plausibly denied ArMaP , are you familiar with the term ?

funbox

They have now replaced the lighting in the back alley from where I live.. and at the moment it seems very much darker by far...and the lights appear as bright as they are on the streets..

I do not see them on that basis as being any better that the prior lamps...at the moment..

I know there were some photos posted to compare.....

Its hard to say if they were altered the image or photos light effects in the one showing the new LED lighting or to know if maybe they had increased the brightness  at  the time of the photo..

All depends on the type of LEDs used. Some are a LOT brighter than others. Also depends on the pattern and type of beam they project.

Yes I would think that there could be many variations of such LED lights of various brightness and design.

I suspect that they have a set of standards that they have to keep with certain limits for what ever environment / area that they are
inserted..

What I see at the moment with the ones just put in the back of the house is that the light does not spread out....it mainly is directed down into the Entry (back Alley isle)

The other lights shined onto the other houses opposite and into my back yard...

now most of that is or appears very dark..

To me at the moment it would be more of a attraction to burglars...

I may contact them tomorrow and discuss it..

Since they have been installed I will say that I have struggled to sleep and I have pains in my neck..and sometime head aches..
which Ive not had for some time..

So I have to hope they are not capable to doing some of the other things Alex Jones has talked about... such as if they do have cameras and can see thru a persons clothing similar to he described in the Airport scanners (where he says that they radiate people) I hope these are not doing something similar...

Im not sure if they did , how far or at what sort of distances the effects could occur..but it may be getting thru two House walls..from an estimated ditance between 50 to 100 feet away, which I would think unlikely..


In the Black Goo thread, I refer to someone whom I have been following in relation to that and some other connected things..

and he talks about many a person being Targeted in certain ways that effects there health / mind and mental state...and he refers to some people who have exposed many a related thing as having some very serious problems and being attacked on a regular basis.. maybe thru a microwave or radiation form...

So I do believe such things to be possible..

Quote from: Ellirium113 on June 02, 2016, 02:40:46 AM
All depends on the type of LEDs used. Some are a LOT brighter than others. Also depends on the pattern and type of beam they project.

Quote from: astr0144 on June 02, 2016, 03:27:08 AM
Yes I would think that there could be many variations of such LED lights of various brightness and design.

I suspect that they have a set of standards that they have to keep with certain limits for what ever environment / area that they are
inserted..

I would think it has more to do with the budget they have to buy the lights

Quote
What I see at the moment with the ones just put in the back of the house is that the light does not spread out....it mainly is directed down into the Entry (back Alley isle)

The other lights shined onto the other houses opposite and into my back yard...

now most of that is or appears very dark..

To me at the moment it would be more of a attraction to burglars...

I may contact them tomorrow and discuss it..

This sounds like they just picked the wrong type of light for the area. This sounds like a spot light and not a wide area light.

Quote
Since they have been installed I will say that I have struggled to sleep and I have pains in my neck..and sometime head aches..
which Ive not had for some time..

Some LED lights emit more EMF than others...these might be excessive enough to affect you somehow.

Quote
So I have to hope they are not capable to doing some of the other things Alex Jones has talked about... such as if they do have cameras and can see thru a persons clothing similar to he described in the Airport scanners (where he says that they radiate people) I hope these are not doing something similar...

For one thing, any street light that has a camera will have the camera plainly visible. A stationary camera on a streetlight is pretty useless for tracking people. The cameras you are referring to in the airports are completely different. They are BIOMETRIC SCANNERS not simply cameras. These take your temperature, look in your clothing etc. A bit too pricey to throw on every street corner so you don't need to fear that.

Quote
Im not sure if they did , how far or at what sort of distances the effects could occur..but it may be getting thru two House walls..from an estimated ditance between 50 to 100 feet away, which I would think unlikely..

EMF is like wireless radiation...it is not affected much by walls unless it is concrete and lots of it.

Quote
In the Black Goo thread, I refer to someone whom I have been following in relation to that and some other connected things..

and he talks about many a person being Targeted in certain ways that effects there health / mind and mental state...and he refers to some people who have exposed many a related thing as having some very serious problems and being attacked on a regular basis.. maybe thru a microwave or radiation form...

So I do believe such things to be possible..

Yes pshychotronic warfare is quite real. I cover some of this here... http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6818.0 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6818.0). There IS NO NEED to enhance street lights to have capability to mind control etc. The reason is they can already do all of this via HAARP, ELF towers and a variety of other methods including your cell phone.

I think both design for the areas they install them may have to be considered....ie what type of housing areas, how close together they maybe as well as you would think cost considerations.

If they are being installed for genuine reasons to save money then as long as they are doing no one harm, I am ok with that..as long as they do what they should be designed to do...without loosing out on things such as the right amount of light and how that light is directed...and if it was to also include wifi..

But if there are found other issues that have been raised.. then that's a problem..

The question for me is how does one go about finding out for sure ?

I am trying to find some engineer who was initially opposed to them...to raise such concerns..to see if he maybe able to comment on such a thing..

I did call the department that deals with Street Lighting and asked did they warn the residents prior... and they said no we only warn you if it say effects utilities..such as Gas or Electric / water  or Roads...

I personally think they should have.. I think they started about 2 months ago in some other nearby localized area..

It maybe that they have installed the wrong lights...(Possibly more so in what maybe the more narrower alleys) at the rear sides to the houses..(although the roads at the front are 2 to 3 times wider than the back alleys) it maybe the actual distances between both the front and rear of two opposing houses is actually similar distances.. as they have longer back yards than the garden areas at the front..

So they may only have to change the Alley lights..if they should be a different design...in each alley.. (rather than all that would have included the front street lights as well.)

But I suspect highly that they wont..as that also will be quite an expense in labor..

If they have installed the wrong ones over a wide area...over 2 months... that would be expensive.. but Im surprised that they have not got it right after testing an initial similar area...unless they accidentally selected the wrong lights on this occasion.

QuoteI would think it has more to do with the budget they have to buy the lights.
This sounds like they just picked the wrong type of light for the area. This sounds like a spot light and not a wide area light.

On the EMF spectrum... Light is included...but Im not sure how LED may emit more unless in the more ultra violet side to it..

As Micowaves would appear have a lower EMF penetration and are said to be used to target peoples brains.... it would seem also Light can be..as it seems to have more penetration strength if that's the right term..

Thinking more about things.... on one wall it has  a large Glass window...so I suspect maybe more easily to penetrate...

then one main wall between where I usually reside in the house made of brick...I think two layers close together..with both sides plastered...but there is a front door (with some glass panels)then one wood door into the room I am usually in..

So it maybe that the EMF could maybe easily pass just two layers of wood ...

so you may be right..

QuoteSome LED lights emit more EMF than others...these might be excessive enough to affect you somehow.EMF is like wireless radiation...it is not affected much by walls unless it is concrete and lots of it.

I think that you would be right in what you say .. unless they have since or always had other forms of similar things built within the lighting that they installed..

It maybe possible that they have minute birds eye cameras within that can just observe. but maybe also there maybe a device that could create forms of radiation that could deliberately target our minds or health from a far...if within a set distance..   but so far I cannot see any thing obvious that shows any camera as such..or any other types of device.....

QuoteFor one thing, any street light that has a camera will have the camera plainly visible. A stationary camera on a streetlight is pretty useless for tracking people. The cameras you are referring to in the airports are completely different. They are BIOMETRIC SCANNERS not simply cameras. These take your temperature, look in your clothing etc. A bit too pricey to throw on every street corner so you don't need to fear that.

I recall Jessie Ventura's conspiracy theory where some expert demonstrates a small device that he claimed effected his mind that I think was related to the Harrp episode...

I was not sure if it could actually make him do things he did not have control over ..or if it could really read his mind..

I think from a quick browse on your Monarch thread, that some of your posted articles suggest it can read ones mind..

I am not sure from what sort of distances...or how well..

if it can do it from most places and in detail... that is really a worst nightmare.

I would not know what to make of it...it would seem we are total slaves to them if they choose..

QuoteYes pshychotronic warfare is quite real. I cover some of this here... http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6818.0. There IS NO NEED to enhance street lights to have capability to mind control etc. The reason is they can already do all of this via HAARP, ELF towers and a variety of other methods including your cell phone.

I may try to obtain some form of leaflets or technical details about the lights..or even try to ask if I can see inside one at the depot if say that they have a broken one..

I really would like to see inside one to put my mind at ease and question about the possibilities of being effected by any form of radiation from them..

Quote from: funbox on June 02, 2016, 12:43:26 AM
sounds plausibly denied ArMaP , are you familiar with the term ?

I am. :)

Quote from: Ellirium113 on June 02, 2016, 02:40:46 AM
All depends on the type of LEDs used. Some are a LOT brighter than others. Also depends on the pattern and type of beam they project.

It also depends on the current that passes through the LEDs.

Quote from: astr0144 on June 02, 2016, 03:27:08 AM
So I have to hope they are not capable to doing some of the other things Alex Jones has talked about... such as if they do have cameras and can see thru a persons clothing similar to he described in the Airport scanners (where he says that they radiate people) I hope these are not doing something similar...

Why would they do that? Who would be looking at the images of all those cameras?

Quoteand he talks about many a person being Targeted in certain ways that effects there health / mind and mental state...and he refers to some people who have exposed many a related thing as having some very serious problems and being attacked on a regular basis.. maybe thru a microwave or radiation form...

Possible? Probably. Likely? I doubt it, unless we are talking about someone important instead of some average Joe/Jane, like the police did some years ago; to catch a mobster they installed microphones on the lamp-posts along a way he used to walk while talking "business", so they could record what he was saying.

Quote from: astr0144 on June 02, 2016, 06:13:33 AM
I think both design for the areas they install them may have to be considered....ie what type of housing areas, how close together they maybe as well as you would think cost considerations.

Lighting is rarely properly done. At school I learned how to make lighting projects, and to do a good job you need to look at what people do in the area (there's obvious differences between a surgery room or a office lobby), the distance from the light sources to the target area (if any), the surroundings and how the reflect light (white walls or dark wall paper, for example), how quickly the light sources may get dirty (a kitchen gets more dirt on the light sources on the ceiling than a room), etc., etc., so it's no surprise, they probably used something someone had already used somewhere else without worrying about the efficiency.

QuoteOn the EMF spectrum... Light is included...but Im not sure how LED may emit more unless in the more ultra violet side to it..

If the "F" in "EMF" means "field" then light doesn't have a noticeable EMF effect.
As for the LED lamps, they, like all electric devices, do create EMF, but, after some Internet searches, I confirmed what I was expecting: they create weaker EMF than fluorescent lamps, and, probably, than sodium vapour lamps, as the method of producing light is similar.

QuoteAs Micowaves would appear have a lower EMF penetration and are said to be used to target peoples brains.... it would seem also Light can be..as it seems to have more penetration strength if that's the right term..

Besides the whole paranoia thing, I suggest you get more information about that, as basing opinions on "would appears", "are saids" and "would seems" is not the best option, at least for me.

I think in general terms of various lighting ...that one may agree with the sort of things that you refer to..some of it may seem to make sense ...and you would think be taken into consideration.
BUT not always..!

I just contacted the Company who are dealing with the Street lighting and spoke with one of their technical staff...and held quite a detailed conversation about them.. (I may explain in more detail later)

But the basis of the conversation with regards to querying the Street lights that they have now recently installed...was that generally for most of the housing areas that they are using one main type of standard light for all areas..

The light is a special design created for the Council that is based upon two main Philips design...that have combined certain features as they requested...

They say that the light is classed as WHITE light... not a White Bluish light...that may have been classed towards the ultra violet side of the Electro magnetic  spectrum.

and that they can alter the light thru a central management system where it can be reduced down upto 70% effeciency as I think I understood what I was told...

and that the lights are aimed to target mainly set areas and not to light up any wider areas...

I queried that as a concern in relation to security...as I said that in the back areas it was very much darker... but they said that was not the aim of the project... That it was more to just target the Roads or alley ways...and not onto peoples housing.../ backyards.

I assume also as they are classed as being more efficient and cost effective to save money...

I did mention that I had been made aware of a few other concerns or that Id had reasons to question may there be more to the lights alone....

When asked what.. I gave some egs... and then the conversation on the Tech Guy started  getting a bit overheated... and he started to become a bit over reactive...when I mentioned a couple of other possible things that some of such lights may be said to include...

I then mentioned Wifi as being another possible extra thing... and here he did accept that as being something that they seem to be considering... so he has admitted that..

It may be that if any sort of surveillance is going to occur.. that they may include it in the next lighting system that they may install if what he said was anything to go by...

But he would not consider that there may be any sort of possible Govt type of surveillance to ever be likely..

Not that Id expect them to admit it even if they were aware..

but I do suspect they he generally was probably well unaware of any such thing or possibilities...

I asked if they could send me any details or a brochure on the lamps and they say they are not allowed to supply such thing to the public....

So if they do have that approach.. they can easily cover it up..

He even said even if we show you one , how do you know that the others would be like that...which is a valid point..

One would have to obtain some from the lampposts to check them out..is the only way I can see we would find out for sure.

QuoteLighting is rarely properly done. At school I learned how to make lighting projects, and to do a good job you need to look at what people do in the area (there's obvious differences between a surgery room or a office lobby), the distance from the light sources to the target area (if any), the surroundings and how the reflect light (white walls or dark wall paper, for example), how quickly the light sources may get dirty (a kitchen gets more dirt on the light sources on the ceiling than a room), etc., etc., so it's no surprise, they probably used something someone had already used somewhere else without worrying about the efficiency.

I may have got my comments / facts.. mixed up a bit..

I think I meant EM  F.. with the "F" relating to the Frequency in the Electro Magetic Spectrum... if you go between LIGHT and GAMA WAVES.. you have Ultra violet and X Rays...

So the spectrum goes Light, Ultra Violet , X Ray , Gama..waves..

As you go further towards the Gama waves they occur much more frequent...so are higher FREQUENCY...as they are smaller waves that maybe are seen to vibrate at a much quicker or higher rate...

(NOT necessarily a LARGER WAVE but they occur more often..)and are seen as being more penetrative...

so we see X Rays as we know can see thru our Bodies...

Gama Rays are as we refer to as maybe more like RADIATION that can Penetrate many other things (but are often said to be reduced by LEAD)...but they are more deadly to MAN..than just "X" Rays..

So if these LEDs were say towards the Ultra Violet.. they would be slightly more penetrative than white light..and also more so than Microwaves...

Micro waves are larger less frequent waves..on the other side of light waves between Radio and White Light..

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/EM_Spectrum_Properties_edit.svg?download)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum

QuoteIf the "F" in "EMF" means "field" then light doesn't have a noticeable EMF effect.
As for the LED lamps, they, like all electric devices, do create EMF, but, after some Internet searches, I confirmed what I was expecting: they create weaker EMF than fluorescent lamps, and, probably, than sodium vapour lamps, as the method of producing light is similar.

Well I am not the only one that refers to Targeted Individuals.

It may depend upon what one may believe...

I've seen TV programs explain about the likes of the CIA using such a thing...so I do imagine it is very possible...

On what scale it may occur I don't know..

But I am aware of some persons who claim to be targeted that I have met and seen talk about it in some detail..

QuoteBesides the whole paranoia thing, I suggest you get more information about that, as basing opinions on "would appears", "are saids" and "would seems" is not the best option, at least for me.

In relation to some of the things that I refer to about some of the things said by Alex Jones..what I thought that I had seen was that he said Hitler either did or had aimed to target enemies water supplies...not only with Floride... but also with Female Hormones..

I looked to see if I could see more on a search and little came up about it... so it may not be truth...but I am sure A.J did say it in one of his videos..

These two links oppose some things that have been said by Alex Jones that may interest you..

BUT even upon reading them... there are other comments that question what is said by them on their websites...

so I am not really any wiser as to the true facts at least with the material that I have seen so far..


http://thedailybanter.com/2013/01/alex-jones-the-government-is-trying-to-make-more-gay-people/


https://justice4germans.com/2013/06/09/debunking-the-myth-of-water-fluoridation-by-hitler-and-those-evil-nazis/

Quote from: astr0144 on June 03, 2016, 10:53:48 AM
When asked what.. I gave some egs... and then the conversation on the Tech Guy started  getting a bit overheated... and he started to become a bit over reactive...when I mentioned a couple of other possible things that some of such lights may be said to include...

That doesn't surprise me, most people are not friendly toward conspiracy theories. :)

QuoteGama Rays are as we refer to as maybe more like RADIATION that can Penetrate many other things (but are often said to be reduced by LEAD)...but they are more deadly to MAN..than just "X" Rays..

X rays are also deadly, that's why once my doctor told me to get some X-ray images done, but when he saw that they had done it wrong he said that he couldn't prescribe another session in the next six months to avoid getting too much X rays through my body. My father knew a man that worked taking X-ray images and that died from the radiation, as it happened many years ago, when people were not as careful as they are now about those things.

QuoteSo if these LEDs were say towards the Ultra Violet.. they would be slightly more penetrative than white light..and also more so than Microwaves...

Things are not that simple, as lower frequency UVA rays pass through common window glass but the higher frequency UVB rays do not, having a higher frequency doesn't mean it can go through more things. UV light produced by the LEDs used in lighting is the lower frequency type, and, after a little more research, it looks like most white LEDs are blue LEDs coated with a phosphor layer that turns the blue light into white.

QuoteBut I am aware of some persons who claim to be targeted that I have met and seen talk about it in some detail..

People can claim any thing, it doesn't make it true. :)

Yes I think it can be a touchy subject to some...

I had asked to speak with the top man..but he was not available..
so they said they could let me speak with one of the technical persons..

I think the person whom I spoke with , may had thought that maybe I was accusing him that he may have been responsible towards what I mentioned about what  I referred to about possible such lights initially having microphones, and later cameras..that I said that I had seen mentioned on the Net...

I tried to explain that I was not doing such a thing... that I was just making a comment on something that I had seen...and that if possible I wanted to ask if it would be possible to have a look inside one...

Then he started making some sort of comments that I was a conspirisist and that I was wasting his time..

I then mentioned that Id also heard some may contain WIFI..

and that he did say , yes that is something that they are looking into.

It probably depends whom one speaks with...

.

But I think maybe as they have admitted that they may be soon going to install lighting with Wifi.. that it would be more likely them that would carry other things ..

I never got around to asking about possible radiation effects..
So I may call to ask to speak with  the manager again.

QuoteThat doesn't surprise me, most people are not friendly toward conspiracy theories. :)

Most unfortunate...One never knows the true things behind such things...and we end up learning after someone has been effected.

QuoteX rays are also deadly, that's why once my doctor told me to get some X-ray images done, but when he saw that they had done it wrong he said that he couldn't prescribe another session in the next six months to avoid getting too much X rays through my body. My father knew a man that worked taking X-ray images and that died from the radiation, as it happened many years ago, when people were not as careful as they are now about those things.

Its more complex than I initially thought..

I was just thinking in general that the UV light was higher Freq in general and maybe enough to be a concern if its on the Electro Mag Spectrum between light and Gama waves..

QuoteThings are not that simple, as lower frequency UVA rays pass through common window glass but the higher frequency UVB rays do not, having a higher frequency doesn't mean it can go through more things. UV light produced by the LEDs used in lighting is the lower frequency type, and, after a little more research, it looks like most white LEDs are blue LEDs coated with a phosphor layer that turns the blue light into white.

Jessie Ventura claimed that he was given a demonstration to it in one of his Conspiracy TV series...on Harrp..

Then I have since come across quite a few persons who researched it....

and some persons who claim they have or are being effected by it...

but some do attend events that people pay for...so no doubt they maybe earning from making such claims..true or not  ???

QuotePeople can claim any thing, it doesn't make it true. :)

I wonder if these guys would comment on such radiation effect of such Lighting...

EMF COMP LIMITED

Safety Specialists For Electromagnetic Fields

Our Experts Have A Combined Experience Of Over 40 Years In Radiation Safety, Allowing Us To Provide You With Authoritative Radiation Protection Advice And Services.

http://www.emfcomp.com/index.htm

Good find.  :)

This is something they have on one of their pages, here (http://www.emfcomp.com/emf_an_introduction.htm).

QuoteHow do they affect people? Low frequency fields will induce electric fields and circulating currents in the human body. The strength of these induced fields and currents will be dependent on the intensity and frequency of the external field, the conductivity of the particular tissue within the body and the distance the body is from the source.

Biological effects of human exposure to low frequency fields can be peripheral nerve/muscle stimulation and faint visual sensations (magneto-phosphenes). Additionally, problems performing mental tasks along with adverse effects on reproduction and development when exposed to ELF magnetic fields have been reported.

At high frequencies, the recognised adverse health effect is the heating of human tissues resulting in heat stress, although other non-thermal health effects have been documented. The two tissue types regarded as most susceptible to thermal injury are the eye and the testes.

Equally a good find ArMaP...Team Work !  :P

If these Led Street Lights are creating any of this...then It does seem very concerning....

I've gone a full week now and seem to be being effected with something...pains in the head and neck...

I think I will try and contact them just to see if they may comment on it..

but no doubt they would require payment to come and actually check it out..

I wonder what sort of impact they could have on the Council if they did find anything concerning ?

QuoteGood find.  :)

This is something they have on one of their pages, here.

QuoteHow do they affect people? Low frequency fields will induce electric fields and circulating currents in the human body. The strength of these induced fields and currents will be dependent on the intensity and frequency of the external field, the conductivity of the particular tissue within the body and the distance the body is from the source.

Biological effects of human exposure to low frequency fields can be peripheral nerve/muscle stimulation and faint visual sensations (magneto-phosphenes). Additionally, problems performing mental tasks along with adverse effects on reproduction and development when exposed to ELF magnetic fields have been reported.

At high frequencies, the recognised adverse health effect is the heating of human tissues resulting in heat stress, although other non-thermal health effects have been documented. The two tissue types regarded as most susceptible to thermal injury are the eye and the testes.

Quote from: astr0144 on June 08, 2016, 03:39:04 AM
Equally a good find ArMaP...Team Work !  :P

If these Led Street Lights are creating any of this...then It does seem very concerning....

I've gone a full week now and seem to be being effected with something...pains in the head and neck...

I think I will try and contact them just to see if they may comment on it..

but no doubt they would require payment to come and actually check it out..

I wonder what sort of impact they could have on the Council if they did find anything concerning ?

How do they affect you during the day? Just curious.

I don't know if its a coincidence and that I have had some health issues arise at the same time the new street lights were installed... or if my recent issues are down to the Street Lights.

I have had the problems to some degree in the past..headaches and neck ache. & facial pain..but I also had tooth pain..

Upon visiting my Dentist.. he has found that I had a tooth problem and suggested that I have it taken out..he did an X Ray and thought that there maybe also be problem with a nerve. BUT what I found was he was also able to put a temporary filling on the problem tooth... and when he has done that... the facial / neck pains that I had were much better....or much more relieved..

While I am ok or feel less pains.. as long as I keep having a temporary filling..that I think helps cover an exposed nerve.. I do not want my tooth taking out if I can help it..

I am informed that exposed tooth nerves can cause all sorts of problems...painful neck and head aches..sometimes quite sharp pains...

I did go back to the dentist more or less on the day the Street lamps were installed... as I thought that I was getting my facial neck pains down to my teeth re-needing another filing as the temp filings only last 2 to 3 months each time..and the dentist has not suggested doing a permanent one as he thinks I should have the tooth removed..  BUT as I say when it has a filing placed over or in it.. my pains are controlled / calmed.

The other issue I had when I was younger was I injured my neck.. and seem to have had some problems with it on and off..

On talking with a Doctor.. he said there was little he could do about any past issues, but he  also said that stress can create such feelings...

I have been under some severe stress over the last 2 years.

So it maybe very hard to say for sure what my problem maybe.. as it could be a combination.. or it maybe Stress related and that tends to come and go..

BUT I will say that since the new Street lights have been put in.. my pains have persisted even after having my teeth refilled..

It maybe that the Dentist has not done a good enough job as I have had it happen before where he did not cover the exposed area correctly.. but I tended more to still have tooth pain.. where as now.. overall my tooth pain is not too bad.. but it does come on and off a bit when I am very tired..

When I have been to bed, I am not sleeping and do seem to be having a neck problem...

it maybe I have an exposed nerve in my neck also..or that one of the neck joints or vertebrae gets out of position slightly...   and is causing me discomfort..and I am unable to lie down for long without an irritation feeling on most nights or times when I have tried to sleep..and usually been very restless and awaking thru out the night...  but sometimes I have slept better the next day when I had been much more tired as I did not sleep well the day before..

The only other way that I have slept otherwise,  is if I have taken pain killers... then I have been able to sleep..but I have never relied on such things before and don't want to do so if I can help it..

But generally I am still getting the pains day or night ...and not just while I am in the house...I am still having the pains when I have gone out...but maybe notice it less....that could be due to having my mind taken of it more so..

It maybe that I am now sensitive to various possible things...naturally..and it maybe that some of them have now got worse..

OR it maybe that the new Street Lights are making me feel the effects more than normal...and irritating such things to me much more than normal..



I have not as yet contacted the company that I referred to that maybe able to advise me on it ....

I had tried to phone them but they were unavailable..it seems I may have to try at a certain time ...or to email them..

I was distracted  after the 1st attempt, last week by somethings that took my mind of trying to call them again..

I hope to try to do so next week..and get some sort of answer..

Another problem that I have, is I do not want to go to my Doctor about my present problems if I can help it.

I don't want any such thing put on my record with the way the system is...after knowing more what I now know about such things..

I would like to go to some specialist who could check me out, but not place my tests on my medical records...

My reasons is such hings may go against me in the future.. as I know medical records get checked.. be it employers or insurance companies etc..

My problem is can that be done and how or where would I be able to go without it costing me a fortune...

I have seen TV programs where people go abroad to have treatments...when sometimes either normal Doctors will either not get involved or the person may not trust the normal medical system..


IF they do work anything along the lines of Smart meters, it maybe that it is them that are causing me my problems..

although I think Smart meters effect maybe down to microwave radiation / a wifi type technology... where as when I did call the council the other week to discuss the lights.. they said at the moment that the present light system are not wifi operated..
BUT I do believe that they are operational on some sort of network.. what that  is,  I am not sure...but they had suggested that the can alter the light intensity from their department..so they must be connected to some sort of control system..

but would that generally be wifi I wonder ?

see what the article below is saying about the health effects to many who have had smart meter..

some have managed to rebell against having them..

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Homeowners say smart meters are damaging their health, causing chronic pain, hair loss and sensitivity to light

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/054361_smart_meters_health_effects_electropollution.html#ixzz4C2IuX3O5

Quote"The RF/Microwave radiation from Wireless Smart Meters is particularly threatening to health because that radiation is so persistent and so powerful. [Com Ed and other] power companies like to fool the public by saying, 'Look these Smart Meters just transmit 6 times a day.' Well, that is just misleading. That may be how many times they transmit your data, but they are a relay station for all the other Smart Meters in the neighborhood. And they all interact with each other and send each other timing signals and all kinds of stuff...

"Furthermore, the power level of each pulse is about 1,000 milliwatts, placing Wireless Smart Meters among the most powerful RF radiators likely to be present in a residential environment."

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/054361_smart_meters_health_effects_electropollution.html#ixzz4C2IkXJaP

QuoteSmart meters cause cancer and other serious chronic health effects

Other scientists agree that smart meters are not only capable of causing acute health problems, such as those described earlier, but can also lead to serious chronic illnesses, including cancer.

Dr. David Carpenter MD, a Harvard-educated physician and expert on electromagnetic fields (EMF), believes that smart meters pose significant health risks.

From TheHealthyHomeEconomist.com:

"Dr. Carpenter adamantly insists that there is no evidence whatsoever that smart meters are in any way safe for human beings. He goes on to say that there is, in fact, ample evidence that demonstrates 'convincingly and consistently' that exposure to radiofrequency radiation (RFR) at elevated levels for long periods of time increases the risk of cancer, damages the nervous system, and adversely affects the reproductive organs.

QuoteHow do they affect you during the day? Just curious.

Quote from: astr0144 on June 18, 2016, 02:58:00 PM
On talking with a Doctor.. he said there was little he could do about any past issues, but he  also said that stress can create such feelings...

I think that stress compresses the inter-vertebral disks, and that's why people stressed become temporarily slightly shorter and have neck and back pain.
The fact that you are making your stress worse but worrying about the street lights doesn't help.

As for the smart meters, I have one, as the electricity company was forced to stop their practice of "estimated use" (they estimated how much the user had used and charged according to the estimates, and that resulted in people paying either two much for two months and less on the third (when someone came to read the meter) or the opposite, people paying too little and then getting a huge bill when there was no need for that), and so they don't have to hire more people to read the meters they implemented these new smart meters.

I looked at the manufacturers site and the model I have installed uses power line communication, not radio.

The head and Neck (Human Body) seems unbelievably complex the more one considers it...

I think the Neck area in our body and how it allows us to move in or rotate (left / right up and down) our head in so many ways and directions can make trying to find out what maybe wrong with someone who has some sort of pain can be very hard to tell where a problem is arising from..

Then as to what Stress is and ow it may effect us, with it maybe seeming a more mental thing based upon thoughts or feeling and how that in turn effects the physical is very hard to determine.

and at one time , I am not sure mental stress (or maybe  even physical) was recognized or maybe not made fully aware... and mental stress seems to be a more recent recognized condition over the last 20 years..

Im not sure if Stress may compress or constrict or do both..

and if it may also effect how blood flows up to the brain..

or if it constricts then helps compress the Neck vertebrae ...that in turn may press on the nerves in the neck...

It can be extremely painful and make one think that their blood supply has been cut off getting up to the head / brain..

So it maybe what the problem is..

but I also think if either Street light or Smart meters do have some sort of microwave or radiation effects on us.. that this will also cause problems..

QuoteI think that stress compresses the inter-vertebral disks, and that's why people stressed become temporarily slightly shorter and have neck and back pain.
The fact that you are making your stress worse but worrying about the street lights doesn't help.

The idea of the smart meters maybe much better / accurate in terms of how it can potentially operate and give a more accurate electricity reading.. and help save on man power that in terms cuts down the added costs of labor..

Generally I think in the past we mainly have had a meter reader call around who then reads the meter..

Often however people are out at work..so they tend to then post a card thru ones letter box and ask you to fill in the readings and leave somewhere to be collected in the next day or so...

this then relies on one giving the reading / details..and you get billed accordingly...

otherwise as you say they tend to estimate it...

I think however that as long as they get to read the meter at some stage in the year that they will make up any differences..

as to how it effects us paying for it may not be an issue if affordability at the time is not a concern..

It will also become another issue of reducing staff levels and jobs..

It does seem that there still could be concerns on certain types of Smart meters..as the and other articles I have read as well as the likes of Alex Jones and his so called experts.. have raised concerns over them..

and I do think until this is been cleared...I would not want to risk having one...Id rather stick with the prior system..

It may however be very hard to have it proved and if the Electric companies in relation with Govt regulations ( or if the Govt do have such a type of hidden evil like spy or harm to us agenda)..that it will never be admitted..

I am led to believe that they will be enforced by 2020 in most EU zones..

I am told that you can opt out until then.. and just  have them replace a meter..(which they say they have to do every so many years due to safety).but can one trust them ? if they are suspect of the system..

It would also be hard to really know in the longer term what effects it may have on the populace and if they do create health issues.. it probably will take time...to be noticed and they usually can take years before anything gets done about such things if concerns are later re raised..

QuoteAs for the smart meters, I have one, as the electricity company was forced to stop their practice of "estimated use" (they estimated how much the user had used and charged according to the estimates, and that resulted in people paying either two much for two months and less on the third (when someone came to read the meter) or the opposite, people paying too little and then getting a huge bill when there was no need for that), and so they don't have to hire more people to read the meters they implemented these new smart meters.

I looked at the manufacturers site and the model I have installed uses power line communication, not radio.