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March 29, 2016
CIA Agents to Troll Alternative Media Sites in Huge Propaganda Program

The CIA are expanding an existing program that influences mainstream media outlets to promote fake propaganda stories, by having agents troll internet forums, social media, and website comment sections – in an effort to disrupt alternative media sites.

In an expansion of Operation Mockingbird (http://humansarefree.com/2014/01/33-conspiracy-facts-that-you-may-still.html), the agency are now creating fake user accounts on various internet forums and social media channels, arguing politics with real users in an attempt to stifle and subvert genuine communications between users.

Editors Note: It's been long suspected that the NSA's Domestic Spy Program (http://alexanderhiggins.com/nsas-domestic-spy-program-tracking-and-analyzing-every-american-in-real-time/) is Tracking And Analyzing Every American In Real Time. It has gotten so bad the the US Justice Department is being sued for failing to adhere to Freedom of Information Act requests for documents on a federal surveillance program that has targeted the email, social media and phone conversations of Americans throughout the last five years.

Details on the Military's 'sock puppet' software (http://alexanderhiggins.com/revealed-us-spy-operation-that-manipulates-social-media/) creates fake online identities to spread pro-American propaganda and trash online stories that don't fit with the Feds Agenda

Americanintelligencereport.com (http://americanintelligencereport.com/government-agents-hired-to-argue-politics-on-line) reports how Government Agents Hired to Argue Politics On-line:

According to RT news, agents have up to "10 fake shill accounts" used to troll and create the illusion of having a genuine network of friends. "The agents will defend current administration agenda with relentless irrational stubbornness that one can only be paid to do."

Abby Martin, from RT's "Breaking the Set," reported on an up to date Operation Mockingbird with the sole purpose of misleading the public on-line.


Published on Jan 17, 2013
Abby Martin takes with a look at America's history of government infiltration in news media citing the CIA's secret cold-war program dubbed Operation Mockingbird.


In the congressional hearing from 1976 (below) listen to how many agents are in the media to write false stories.

According to the Congress report published in 1976:



By the year 1953 Operation Mockingbird dictated information in over 25 newspapers and wire agencies.

These organizations were run by people with well-known right-wing views such as William Paley (CBS), Henry Luce (Time and Life Magazine), Arthur Hays Sulzberger (New York Times), Alfred Friendly (managing editor of the Washington Post), Jerry O'Leary (Washington Star), Hal Hendrix (Miami News), Barry Bingham, Sr., (Louisville Courier-Journal), James Copley (Copley News Services) and Joseph Harrison (Christian Science Monitor).

Even Rolling Stone claimed that journalist Joseph Alsop was under the control of Operation Mockingbird in 1977.

His articles appeared in over 300 different newspapers. Other journalists alleged by Rolling Stone Magazine to have been willing to promote the views of the CIA included Stewart Alsop (New York Herald Tribune), Ben Bradlee (Newsweek), James Reston (New York Times), Charles Douglas Jackson (Time Magazine), Walter Pincus (Washington Post), William C. Baggs (The Miami News), Herb Gold (The Miami News) and Charles Bartlett (Chattanooga Times).

According to Nina Burleigh (A Very Private Woman), these journalists sometimes wrote articles that were commissioned by Frank Wisner, creator of the program.

The CIA also provided them with classified information to help them with their work.

ah Thor.. we have them here  already ..two i could name but won't.. :-X

It sounds like a cushy job another reason to be angry, they get paid for what others do free! :P

WAY TO GO THOR! I think I saw 1 or 2 of these guys in I.R.N. chat room. (That's Inception Radio Net.) Pretty easy to spot on occasion, when they just show up and start some political discussion crap!

WhatTheHey 

Quote from: thorfourwinds on July 06, 2016, 08:16:49 PM
"The agents will defend current administration agenda with relentless irrational stubbornness that one can only be paid to do."

Never underestimate people's stubbornness, specially when talking about politics, religion or sports. :)

PS: it's interesting to see that RT is saying that, as they are a state-sponsored TV network. :)

Revealed: US Spy Operation That Manipulates Social Media (http://alexanderhiggins.com/revealed-us-spy-operation-that-manipulates-social-media/)

by Alexander Higgins

Note: I have long suspected the the US Government was performing such operations. Specifically during the height of the BP gulf oil spill many of my posts would be absolutely viral on several social media websites and get absolutely trashed and buried on others. While this could be explained by different user communities.

However, what would explain why a story published by me gets buried on Reddit and another blogger re-posts my exact story and it goes viral. As is said I was always suspicious, particularly of the Digg and Reddit user communities, but had no proof so never wrote about it. Readers of my blog with their own blogs have complained about the exact same thing. Here's an excellent example of pro-nuclear shills hijacking a thread on Reddit.

Needless to say it has been a while since I have posted either Digg or Reddit for this reason. I can say the problem still exists on Reddit because while I no longer post there some readers do and within the last week stories posted there have been buried that have been absolutely viral elsewhere.

Shocking details on the Military's 'sock puppet' software creates fake online identities to spread pro-American propaganda and trash online stories that don't fit with the Feds Agenda.

The US military is developing software that will let it secretly manipulate social media sites by using fake online personas to influence internet conversations and spread pro-American propaganda.

A Californian corporation has been awarded a contract with United States Central Command (Centcom), which oversees US armed operations in the Middle East and Central Asia, to develop what is described as an "online persona management service" that will allow one US serviceman or woman to control up to 10 separate identities based all over the world.

General David Petraeus

The project has been likened by web experts to China's attempts to control and restrict free speech on the internet. Critics are likely to complain that it will allow the US military to create a false consensus in online conversations, crowd out unwelcome opinions and smother commentaries or reports that do not correspond with its own objectives.

The discovery that the US military is developing false online personalities – known to users of social media as "sock puppets" – could also encourage other governments, private companies and non-government organizations to do the same.

The Centcom contract stipulates that each fake online persona must have a convincing background, history and supporting details, and that up to 50 US-based controllers should be able to operate false identities from their workstations "without fear of being discovered by sophisticated adversaries".

Centcom spokesman Commander Bill Speaks said: "The technology supports classified blogging activities on foreign-language websites to enable Centcom to counter violent extremist and enemy propaganda outside the US."

He said none of the interventions would be in English, as it would be unlawful to "address US audiences" with such technology, and any English-language use of social media by Centcom was always clearly attributed. The languages in which the interventions are conducted include Arabic, Farsi, Urdu and Pashto.

Centcom said it was not targeting any US-based web sites, in English or any other language, and specifically said it was not targeting Facebook or Twitter.

Once developed, the software could allow US service personnel, working around the clock in one location, to respond to emerging online conversations with any number of co-ordinated messages, blogposts, chatroom posts and other interventions. Details of the contract suggest this location would be MacDill air force base near Tampa, Florida, home of US Special Operations Command.

Centcom's contract requires for each controller the provision of one "virtual private server" located in the United States and others appearing to be outside the US to give the impression the fake personas are real people located in different parts of the world.

It also calls for "traffic mixing", blending the persona controllers' internet usage with the usage of people outside Centcom in a manner that must offer "excellent cover and powerful deniability".

The multiple persona contract is thought to have been awarded as part of a program called Operation Earnest Voice (OEV), which was first developed in Iraq as a psychological warfare weapon against the online presence of al-Qaida supporters and others ranged against coalition forces. Since then, OEV is reported to have expanded into a $200m program and is thought to have been used against jihadists across Pakistan, Afghanistan and the Middle East.

OEV is seen by senior US commanders as a vital counter-terrorism and counter-radicalization program. In evidence to the US Senate's armed services committee last year, General David Petraeus, then commander of Centcom, described the operation as an effort to "counter extremist ideology and propaganda and to ensure that credible voices in the region are heard". He said the US military's objective was to be "first with the truth".

This month Petraeus's successor, General James Mattis, told the same committee that OEV "supports all activities associated with degrading the enemy narrative, including web engagement and web-based product distribution capabilities".

Centcom confirmed that the $2.76m contract was awarded to Ntrepid, a newly formed corporation registered in Los Angeles. It would not disclose whether the multiple persona project is already in operation or discuss any related contracts.

Nobody was available for comment at Ntrepid.

In his evidence to the Senate committee, Gen Mattis said: "OEV seeks to disrupt recruitment and training of suicide bombers; deny safe havens for our adversaries; and counter extremist ideology and propaganda." He added that Centcom was working with "our coalition partners" to develop new techniques and tactics the US could use "to counter the adversary in the cyber domain".

According to a report by the inspector general of the US defence department in Iraq, OEV was managed by the multinational forces rather than Centcom.

Asked whether any UK military personnel had been involved in OEV, Britain's Ministry of Defence said it could find "no evidence". The MoD refused to say whether it had been involved in the development of persona management programs, saying: "We don't comment on cyber capability."

OEV was discussed last year at a gathering of electronic warfare specialists in Washington DC, where a senior Centcom officer told delegates that its purpose was to "communicate critical messages and to counter the propaganda of our adversaries".

Persona management by the US military would face legal challenges if it were turned against citizens of the US, where a number of people engaged in sock puppetry have faced prosecution.

Last year a New York lawyer who impersonated a scholar was sentenced to jail after being convicted of "criminal impersonation" and identity theft.

It is unclear whether a persona management program would contravene UK law. Legal experts say it could fall foul of the Forgery and Counterfeiting Act 1981, which states that "a person is guilty of forgery if he makes a false instrument, with the intention that he or another shall use it to induce somebody to accept it as genuine, and by reason of so accepting it to do or not to do some act to his own or any other person's prejudice". However, this would apply only if a website or social network could be shown to have suffered "prejudice" as a result.

• This article was amended to remove references to Facebook and Twitter, introduced during the editing process, and to add a comment from Centcom, received after publication, that it is not targeting those sites.

I think we all know one Ex CIA member by the name of John !... is that to suggest there is two more ?

Quote from: space otter on July 06, 2016, 09:19:48 PM


ah Thor.. we have them here  already ..two i could name but won't.. :-X

What makes one think that 'John' is 'ex' anything?   :P

This is interesting . . .

ANTYGRAWITACJA (http://zbigniew-modrzejewski.webs.com/antygrawitacja.htm)

as well as this:

gsjournal.net/books/De-Mees-Gravitomagnetism-and-Coriolis-Gravity-2011-A4.pdf

Operation Mockingbird Style YouTube and FaceBook Infiltrations Exposed! (https://hatrickpenry.wordpress.com/2013/03/22/operation-mockingbird-style-youtube-and-facebook-infiltrations-exposed/)

by Hatrick Penry

In March of 2012 I wrote "Operation Mockingbird Style Alternative Media Infiltration Exposed (https://hatrickpenry.wordpress.com/2013/03/22/operation-mockingbird-style-youtube-and-facebook-infiltrations-exposed/)!" and revealed that 95% of 'alternative' media outlets were controlled opposition and had, among other things, done their best to shield Obama (and the nuclear industry for that matter) from the consequences of Plume-Gate during his election run for a 2nd term.

My reasoning was simple: blockbuster evidence of a massive conspiracy and cover-up was being ignored by the so-called 'alternative' media.

Considering the size and scope of the Plume-Gate cover-up, the incredible amount of evidence found in the FOIA documents and considering the projected 1.3 million American fatalities, it was obvious that the so-called 'alternative' media was no alternative at all.

An 'Operation: Mockingbird' style infiltration had taken place just as it had years before in the mainstream media: gatekeeping and disinformation were now the order of the day. . .

That maybe a valid question "Thor" !

and maybe due to me coming across articles that may seem to suggest it..  such as this..that refers to "EX"   but that may mean only EX Piliot..not agent !

Quoteex-cia-pilot-gives-sworn-testimony-no-planes-hit-twin-towers

http://thenewyorkevening.com/index.php/2016/06/16/ex-cia-pilot-gives-sworn-testimony-no-planes-hit-twin-towers/

Also considering Johns age !   :)

and I thought that it had been suggested on PRC...

but who knows those guys may never retire !

Those Articles look very Interesting ! Great find..and I much appreciate you posting them..

Not sure I can understand parts of it as it looks very indepth stuff..

It maybe a remaining life time to try to understand it, if at all possible..

It may need an Einstein to try to understand it..

but it looks a great ref for certain related things that have been discussed on PRC..

Is that your only recent visit to ATS since you came to PRC ?

There is a very lot of post made in reply to your past posts/ threads..

Quote from: thorfourwinds on July 07, 2016, 06:25:03 PM
What makes one think that 'John' is 'ex' anything?   :P

This is interesting . . .

ANTYGRAWITACJA (http://zbigniew-modrzejewski.webs.com/antygrawitacja.htm)

as well as this:

gsjournal.net/books/De-Mees-Gravitomagnetism-and-Coriolis-Gravity-2011-A4.pdf

Oh, you're speaking of that John.   :P

Silly me, although same size shoes . . .  ;)

I visit ATS frequently to add to the Fukushima mega thread, and a few of my own.

We thinks their 'stat counter' has a malfunction., as some members have millions of stars, etc.      :o

EUTM has at least a couple of people watching our site.  We know that they're doing so.  We refuse to shut up about the things that they prefer kept quiet.  A few of us have noticed an uptick in strange things happening.  We just talk even more.

Shasta

, , , , VERY old news, , , , , ,

I call them IAC agents

Information Acquisition and Control agents, , , , ,  :P

Quote from: thorfourwinds on July 08, 2016, 11:46:00 PM
We thinks their 'stat counter' has a malfunction., as some members have millions of stars, etc.      :o

The counter does have a malfunction, but it only affects people that were already members at the time of the first big change in the forum software, if a post made before the change gets a star then the value added to the star counter is an absurdly high number, resulting in those millions of stars and affecting all other stats that are related to that.

Quote from: Norval on July 09, 2016, 03:17:01 PM
, , , , VERY old news, , , , , ,

Correct ANCIENT news in fact.  They had agents in every UFO agency that formed from the beginning :D

QuoteI call them IAC agents
Information Acquisition and Control agents, , , , ,  :P

Correct. And these agents also from time to time LEAK out tidbits so that we keep going. If they didn't we would get bored and go away :P  Lately however the tidbits have been few and far between... seems they no longer care much...  at least in our fields of interest

They have a PATCH  IAO Information Awareness Office  -  DARPA (who invented the internet in the first place lest we forget :P )

(http://www.ioffer.com/img3/item/153/280/640/iao-information-awareness-office-logo-5-patch-18cc.jpg)

Quote from: ArMaP on July 09, 2016, 04:18:43 PM
The counter does have a malfunction....

Well of what use is having a star system when they ban the top posters when they get too popular? :P

Now then.... if you want to see WHO is SNOOPING :P


All you have to do is get your server to track and record URL's and print you a detailed list :D

There are several web stat services for a small fee will do it for you as well. Years ago while we were still at ATS and getting millions of hits because of john's and mine activities before we got the BAN :P I ran Web Stats (free for 20,000 hits a month)

They group the results anyway you want  like Education sites, Gov sites, military sites etc etc that visit your site

So here is the result of that old scan   the first page is financial institutions....  WHY all these guys visited us is a mystery :P

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/40matt_top_secret/visitor-com-financial-list.html

This one is the government agencies.  This was in our first year of running, our heyday :P  haven't run it since but I should do it just for fun

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/40matt_top_secret/visitor-gov-fed-local.html

Foreign governments;

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/40matt_top_secret/visitor-gov-foreign.html


Military :D

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/40matt_top_secret/visitor-gov-mil-list.html


It can even get specific  like UK Education URL's

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/40matt_top_secret/visitor-edu-uk-list.html

Like I said this is an old list back in 2006 when we started  I suppose it would be interesting to see what it looks like now

Many longer term members on PRC came from ATS and maybe other forums and had known other members and come to know some by 1st Name...

I am only a newby compared to many on here..and I only mainly know most of the members by their PRC names...but I only know a few by their real first names; and some maybe I had come across their name and maybe cannot recall who they were...

But as you suggest there maybe another John...It maybe that you suggest he maybe also CIA..or similar...

The thing with the likes of John lear and his connection and story..is he may have been connected to them but also may have had issues with them so may no longer have the same connection he initially had after his situation with Bob Lazar..

If there are also other similar members..would they have similar situations or are they spies / Spooks..reporting what may be being discussed on such forums..

I was not sure if you had also been a past ATS members who may had been banned like Zorgon and John...

I recall many moved to PRC after "Z" and other ATS members helped set it up...and I was thinking most on here had either also been banned or maybe fell out with ATS..due to having too many trolls , banning top posters and deleting to many threads..

It does seem a bit of an issue if ATS stats are so mixed up and inaccurate / malfunctioned so much.

Quote from: thorfourwinds on July 08, 2016, 11:46:00 PM
Oh, you're speaking of that John.   :P

Silly me, although same size shoes . . .  ;)

I visit ATS frequently to add to the Fukushima mega thread, and a few of my own.

We thinks their 'stat counter' has a malfunction., as some members have millions of stars, etc.      :o

Is this in relation to the forum "Z" or can you also do this to see who maybe visiting our own Computers maybe via our ISPs..?

If they are able to access PRC and obtain members details and then keep check on each of us ?

is that likely possible or probable ?

If so it may explain why my computer plays up so much.

If it was the likes of the CIA more than likely they have advanced spyware that no antivirus will even detect to remove it..if they had managed to place such spyware on our computers..

I had a website hacked and was given a virus about 6 years ago that no AV was able to detect and it totally destroyed all my webpages and infected my P.C at the time.. I tried all the AVs to try to resolve my computer and it never ran the same ever again..

where it came from I don't know..

or maybe there are always viruses around that AV programs are not able to heal..

QuoteNow then.... if you want to see WHO is SNOOPING :P


All you have to do is get your server to track and record URL's and print you a detailed list :D

There are several web stat services for a small fee will do it for you as well. Years ago while we were still at ATS and getting millions of hits because of john's and mine activities before we got the BAN :P I ran Web Stats (free for 20,000 hits a month)

They group the results anyway you want  like Education sites, Gov sites, military sites etc etc that visit your site

 Does EUTM refer to    Everything Under the Moon ? or something else ?

What may they be doing if certain forums discuss material that  T.P.T.B or Spooks are monitoring us on..

There maybe times when we have indepth discussions on certain hot topics to them..

Have they ever taken any real action in any way to do anything...

what sort of egs may that be ?

or are most things we discuss just the tip of the iceberg..

should we stop discussing certain things ?

or are there certain topics best left alone...

Do some spooks actually pass on some info to us ?

are they doing it out of their own interests and taking risks in doing so !

Quote from: Shasta56 on July 09, 2016, 02:11:30 PM
EUTM has at least a couple of people watching our site.  We know that they're doing so.  We refuse to shut up about the things that they prefer kept quiet.  A few of us have noticed an uptick in strange things happening.  We just talk even more.

Shasta

Quote from: astr0144 on July 10, 2016, 05:08:48 AM
I was not sure if you had also been a past ATS members who may had been banned like Zorgon and John...

Thor wasn't banned from ATS, his last post is from July 7. :)

QuoteIt does seem a bit of an issue if ATS stats are so mixed up and inaccurate / malfunctioned so much.

If that image really is something Thor saw after logging in then there's something wrong with it, but those are not an ATS user stats, those are stats relating to what happened since the last time an user logged in to ATS and appear only to give an idea of what has been happening.
As I never log out I do not bother with those. ;D

Edited to add that, looking better at the stats image, I can see that there's no user name at the beginning of the text, so that's nobody's stats.

QuoteAs I never log out I do not bother with those. ;D

you never log out of ATS ? ... do you know how much bandwidth you wasting with the constant adverts rolling?  hmmm but fine with not watching youtube vids because of your limited bandwidth..

funbox

Quote from: astr0144 on July 10, 2016, 05:18:29 AM
Is this in relation to the forum "Z" or can you also do this to see who maybe visiting our own Computers maybe via our ISPs..?

That's the kind of information a server gets from the browsers that ask for the pages. Whenever you visit a site the site's server gets information about your IP address (so it can know where to send the response), what browser you are using (it may make a difference in the response you get from the server) and some more information, like what page you were looking at before you navigated to that specific page, so the server can know if you came to that page from some other site that has a link to it.

QuoteIf they are able to access PRC and obtain members details and then keep check on each of us ?

That information is only accessible on the server, so "they" would need direct access to the server.

Quoteis that likely possible or probable ?

It's possible if you have access to the server.

QuoteIf so it may explain why my computer plays up so much.

It doesn't. :)

QuoteIf it was the likes of the CIA more than likely they have advanced spyware that no antivirus will even detect to remove it..if they had managed to place such spyware on our computers..

Having something on your computer it's the only way to know what's there.

QuoteI had a website hacked and was given a virus about 6 years ago that no AV was able to detect and it totally destroyed all my webpages and infected my P.C at the time.. I tried all the AVs to try to resolve my computer and it never ran the same ever again..

The problem with anti-virus is that they either know exactly what some virus looks like or they react to any thing slightly suspicious. If some program is made to avoid those things it will be ignored by the anti-virus. And we can all suspect that the anti-virus companies can get some "visitors" that ask them to look the other way when they find something. ;)

Quoteor maybe there are always viruses around that AV programs are not able to heal..

Always has, always will be, because of the way virus work.
Today's most common malware are not even behave like virus, as they do not reproduce from computer to computer, they infect a computer and remain there, either injecting adverts on people's browsers or giving access to other people so they can control the computer and use it either for more advert distribution or create those large networks of computers used in the distributed denial of service attacks done on some servers.

Quote from: funbox on July 10, 2016, 01:40:24 PM
you never log out of ATS ?

No, and I never log out of Pegasus either. :)

Quote... do you know how much bandwidth you wasting with the constant adverts rolling?

No, and I don't care. :)

Quotehmmm but fine with not watching youtube vids because of your limited bandwidth..

I never said that, I have no download limits or bandwidth problems. :)

Quote from: ArMaP on July 10, 2016, 04:26:10 PM
No, and I never log out of Pegasus either. :)

strange ive seen you disappear from the list , presumably to sleep , on many occasion

QuoteNo, and I don't care. :)

hmm the real aRmAp would have had figures and a chart.. who are you and what are you doing on ArMaPs account?

QuoteI never said that, I have no download limits or bandwidth problems. :)

hmmmmm

funbox

Quote from: astr0144 on July 10, 2016, 05:18:29 AM
Is this in relation to the forum "Z" or can you also do this to see who maybe visiting our own Computers maybe via our ISPs..?

Actually to the website  as the forum is a sub directory of that website. ANY IP address is logged at the server... that is why people try to use proxy servers to hide their point of origin

it's real easy to get your IP :P  You really think there is privacy online?

::)

(http://www.danasoft.com/vipersig.jpg)

QuoteIf they are able to access PRC and obtain members details and then keep check on each of us ?

Those lists are visitor stats. Shows who visited from where  To check up on you they need access to the server. Even the NSA still needs papers to do that :P  They can however register an account and just have someone listen to you blabbering :P  and wait for you to put your foot into it :D\

The really funny thing is that 90% of people think that they are important enough to get watched.  LOL  yet those same people, knowing that facebook is an NSA spy trap... stillpost their daily lives and personal info.

THEY don't care... they could care less about your selfies, what you had for lunch or your current love affair...  but start talking shooting Obama, especially if your an ex marine, you will get their attention

If they really cared what us conspiracy nuts think and where upset about it  sites like ATS and us would be shut down.  But since we draw the real kooks... it is better for them to leave us alone and just watch and wait.

So have YOU made any plans to blow up a building lately or made a deal with Al Quida?  If not don't worry about sharing your secret gravy recipe :P They DON'T CARE

QuoteIf so it may explain why my computer plays up so much.

Your WORST enemy is ADVERTISERS!  THEY spy on you all the time and get you to add tool bars and apps and hidden spyware  all in the name of getting you to BUY  That is what it is all about. It is the only reason they watch you... so they can barrage you with ads based on what you like.  That clogs up the system, makes adobe flash CRASH your system and requires constant updates of spotware to keep fixing the crash issues caused by marketers\

THAT is why your system acts up... not because an alphabet sopu agency is spying on you

QuoteIf it was the likes of the CIA more than likely they have advanced spyware that no antivirus will even detect to remove it..if they had managed to place such spyware on our computers..

Why?  what would they gain? are YOU a terrorist in hiding?  They cannot spy on your computer if it is in stealth mode :P  You cannot access that which you cannot find

QuoteI had a website hacked and was given a virus about 6 years ago that no AV was able to detect and it totally destroyed all my webpages and infected my P.C at the time.. I tried all the AVs to try to resolve my computer and it never ran the same ever again..

Once a virus is let onto your computer and runs no existing anti virus will fix it. A hacker can mess things up, so you need a strong server that is hack proof  They cannot hack your website until they get past the server security. problem is with many free website offers you have no protection.

MOST viruses and hackers get in because you let them without realizing it. Those shared emails of some funny letter are the worst.  Best solution is keep all your files on a D drive and just use the C drive for the operating system. They cannot hack the D drive and neiter can a virus write to it

Quotewhere it came from I don't know..

emails. scripts hidden on websites (porn sites are the worst, but conspiracy sites come second and actually may be top by now) Those photo share sites like "10 fuuniest photos" are really bad  but they are most likely to infect you with adware and tracking

Quoteor maybe there are always viruses around that AV programs are not able to heal..

There are always new viruses etc that need you to constantly update the AV software weekly and yes free AV ware doesn't fix everything as you are getting the free version :P

HOWEVER if you are in stealth mode and have a good firewall that blocks OUTGOING communication then nothing will get in to your system

most firewalls block incoming stuff  but not outgoing. So a program can install a script and dial out your info  Outgoing blockage is a nuisance at first because you have to give permissions for programs like your browser  AND you have to be careful to not get lazy or annoyed and just click ACCEPT when you get notified (my wife does this :P defeats the purpose of the firewall)

Zone Alarm and Comodo are two good ones  My daughter likes Comodo best

For STEALTH MODE  start here (I have posted this before)

https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2

As for a website getting hacked. any good server will have a clean backup copy  but you should have a copy at home anyway. I do all my work at home on my version then just use FTP to upload the changes  As the computer does it faster I just upload the whole section and set it to ignore any same size files

Quote from: funbox on July 10, 2016, 01:40:24 PM
you never log out of ATS ? ...

Never logging out does NOT mean you are actively on the forum when you are sleeping. It simply means a cookie keeps your account status as 'active' meaning everytime you open the browser you are automatically logged in again.  I do this on all my accounts like Ebay etc  But if your computer is off or your browser closed you will not appear as being online

Quotedo you know how much bandwidth you wasting with the constant adverts rolling?

ArMaP doesn't get ATS ads :P  One of the perks of long term memberships  But they steal your work :P and give you NOTHING in return for you making money with content for them  Not even a T-Shirt :  And when you mention how much money they REALLY make... you get banned :p

Quotehmmm but fine with not watching youtube vids because of your limited bandwidth..

Bandwidth has not been an issue on servers for a very very long time. Our server is unlimited traffic and unlimited bandwidth  and all our activity on all my sites and forum barely moves the meter

The ONLY issue related to bandwidth these days is IF you have tons of big files for download like music and videos   And then it is only a problem if some asshat sets a robot to repeatedly download a big file. (That is why ALL of pegasus's files are offline... but then NO ONE has ever requested to see even ONE)

::)

Quote from: zorgon on July 10, 2016, 10:39:09 PM
(That is why ALL of pegasus's files are offline... but then NO ONE has ever requested to see even ONE)

::)

Oh not true oh great one.. ;) ::) 8)

Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on July 10, 2016, 10:52:30 PM
Oh not true oh great one.. ;) ::) 8)

Okay maybe one person requested :P

So find us a cloud server free so I can upload them LOL

Remember Clifford Stone?  He was the ATS poster boy for FOIA documents then he was suddenly banned  I never find out WHY he was suddenly persona non grata :P (he won't tell me on Facebook either)

But at that time I started posting MY FOIA material at ATS  I posted 6 items  all true and really good stuff with officila documents direct linked from the source in the government... my reward? They were dumped into ATS basement and ignored   So I din't bother posting anymore

But all the file Clifford Stone makes such a big deal about have been available online for decades  and I can usually find better pdf copies of the originals from the actual source  So all that hype about FOIA work is kinda a moot point because they are all available online.

Many times he claims only the first page is available but I can always pull up the entire file   I tried posting some on his FB page when I had the better copy but all I get in return is getting yelled at for trying to show him up :P  Go figure

No one in the UFO ciommunity wants truth, they just want an ego boost

I really do give up :P

I got banned from GLP (land of "morans") once I posted about Nixon "Tophat" rumors. Too close to Obama stuff maybe.

One of my computers is banned from Business Insider after I pointed out how trashy and propagandistic many of their Brookings/Stratfor inspired blogs are.  Russia isn't going to collapse just because the elite lie to themselves about it.

It's a remarkable time to be alive.  Vast numbers are aware of the lies and yet, the lies keep coming unabated. It's like the world is a Woody Allen sketch in which a man is caught in bed with another woman but keeps denying it to his wife - even while the woman puts her clothes back on and leaves.

Quote from: zorgon on July 10, 2016, 10:39:09 PM
Never logging out does NOT mean you are actively on the forum when you are sleeping. It simply means a cookie keeps your account status as 'active' meaning everytime you open the browser you are automatically logged in again.  I do this on all my accounts like Ebay etc  But if your computer is off or your browser closed you will not appear as being online

are you referring to stored passwords, easy access for those with no memory ?

QuoteBut if your computer is off or your browser closed you will not appear as being online

so logged off then , no need to bastardise the meaning of logged in and out with a cookie or two :D

QuoteArMaP doesn't get ATS ads :P  One of the perks of long term memberships  But they steal your work :P and give you NOTHING in return for you making money with content for them  Not even a T-Shirt :  And when you mention how much money they REALLY make... you get banned :p

they also fake peoples deaths in order to antagonise to the point of ridiculousness , then Ban you :D then use smoke and fake reasons, like editing a mods edit that was filed with impartial malice

QuoteBandwidth has not been an issue on servers for a very very long time. Our server is unlimited traffic and unlimited bandwidth  and all our activity on all my sites and forum barely moves the meter

The ONLY issue related to bandwidth these days is IF you have tons of big files for download like music and videos   And then it is only a problem if some asshat sets a robot to repeatedly download a big file. (That is why ALL of pegasus's files are offline... but then NO ONE has ever requested to see even ONE)

I was referring to ArMaPs access , but he said that he has unlimited access, so really a moot point .. he really is terrified of the mutilation phenomena , so I guess there's no good telling him about the 750 turkeys vanishing without a trace

what's the most interesting video in the Pegasus files ?

funbox

I will try to answer some in more detail later..
I may need some further thoughts on things..

But Can I ask could anyone remove my ISP details from this thread with being on obvious display to anyone..

I have no idea what  someone who has such info maybe able to do with it..

No members have their ISPs dispalyed when they post on the Forum..


Zorgon

QuoteActually to the website  as the forum is a sub directory of that website. ANY IP address is logged at the server... that is why people try to use proxy servers to hide their point of origin

it's real easy to get your IP :P  You really think there is privacy online?

Quote from: funbox on July 10, 2016, 07:58:14 PM
strange ive seen you disappear from the list , presumably to sleep , on many occasion

I do sleep, and work, so on work days I'm not online all the time, but I never log out. The forum software probably closes the session after some time, they usually do that.

Quotehmm the real aRmAp would have had figures and a chart..

I did, when I had limits for download and upload. :)
Now, as I don't have them, I'm not worried and I have other things to do with my time.

Quotehmmmmm

You have said or implied once that bandwidth limits was my problem with videos, I never said that, my problem with videos is that most are just time wasters, and my time is worth more than any bandwidth I may have to pay for.

Quote from: ArMaP on July 11, 2016, 01:40:55 AM
I did, when I had limits for download and upload. :)

yeah I thought you did , but that was said on ats and im certainly not enduring their adversite to see

you seem to have a lot of excuses for not watching videos, yet a huge amount of time for reading and responding, and working and sleeping.

do you ever find time anymore to enjoy your beloved rock hunts ?

QuoteYou have said or implied once that bandwidth limits was my problem with videos, I never said that, my problem with videos is that most are just time wasters, and my time is worth more than any bandwidth I may have to pay for.

hmmm are you sure your the real aRmAp ?

a test , but be quick , what was your intial response to the amount of camera angles I would use for a gif, to show three dimensionality ? the wheel anomoly for instance *spokey thing*

funbox

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EswGEqmfa7c

I found an all in one , just in case it was the split video that was a  stomach churning turn off

funbox

Quote from: funbox on July 11, 2016, 12:38:33 AM
I was referring to ArMaPs access , but he said that he has unlimited access, so really a moot point .. he really is terrified of the mutilation phenomena , so I guess there's no good telling him about the 750 turkeys vanishing without a trace

I'm not terrified of the mutilation phenomena (or anything else), I just don't find it interesting enough to spend some of my time with it.

Quote from: astr0144 on July 11, 2016, 01:18:31 AM
But Can I ask could anyone remove my ISP details from this thread with being on obvious display to anyone..

That image that zorgon posted doesn't show your ISP to anyone else but you, each person sees their own IP address and ISP, as that's an example of the information the server where the image is stored (or, more correctly, created) gets when a browser asks for the image.

Some years ago I created an image like that myself, it's really easy when you have a server. :)

Quote from: funbox on July 11, 2016, 01:51:26 AM
you seem to have a lot of excuses for not watching videos, yet a huge amount of time for reading and responding, and working and sleeping.

It's a question of priorities, I try to spend most of the time with things that are important. Unfortunately, as I have to work to get money to buy food and medication for me and my family, I have to spend many hours at work. Reading and responding to posts in these and other forums takes also a large chunk of my time, specially reading, as I take my position as a Pegasus administrator seriously and so I read all the posts made here. And I do sleep some 5 or 6 hours every night.

Quotedo you ever find time anymore to enjoy your beloved rock hunts ?

No. :(

Quotehmmm are you sure your the real aRmAp ?

Yes.

Quotea test , but be quick , what was your intial response to the amount of camera angles I would use for a gif, to show three dimensionality ? the wheel anomoly for instance *spokey thing*

The number of camera angles you would use? Probably too many.  :P

Quote from: ArMaP on July 11, 2016, 02:27:14 AM
I'm not terrified of the mutilation phenomena (or anything else), I just don't find it interesting enough to spend some of my time with it.

ill bet your dying to know what happened to the 750 turkeys really :D


and you response was that using too many images only confuse the perspective , to which my response was more picture = more data points = more information of light and shadows , or words similar to those, but again all from memory

besides you've spent enough time investigating ufo's , why not branch into the entirely bizarre subset , or is it to difficult a ground, for the skeptic to tread ?

funbox

just in time , :D

QuoteThe number of camera angles you would use? Probably too many.  :P

but would more raw data point give you a wider perspective of the scene ?

funbox

I appreciate your reply and explanation ArMaP..

but I am not sure as yet if I fully understand..or at least how the thing may work..

The only way would be to ask someone else what they may see (if they were willing to say or maybe ask for just some parts of what they may see to get an idea If I thought that maybe true)..

It maybe that only those who know how Servers work to be able to really understand it..or tell for sure...

For now I have to trust what you say ... ???

QuoteThat image that zorgon posted doesn't show your ISP to anyone else but you, each person sees their own IP address and ISP, as that's an example of the information the server where the image is stored (or, more correctly, created) gets when a browser asks for the image.

Some years ago I created an image like that myself, it's really easy when you have a server. :) 

Oh not true oh great one.. ;) ::) 8)

Quote from: funbox on July 11, 2016, 02:41:04 AM
ill bet your dying to know what happened to the 750 turkeys really :D

No. :)

Quoteand you response was that using too many images only confuse the perspective , to which my response was more picture = more data points = more information of light and shadows , or words similar to those, but again all from memory

So, did I pass the test? Am I the real ArMaP? :)

Quotebesides you've spent enough time investigating ufo's , why not branch into the entirely bizarre subset , or is it to difficult a ground, for the skeptic to tread ?

How can I know if it's difficult or not, if I never looked into it? :)
No, my problem is lack of time, I don't even have time for the things I have in my "to do list", adding more things to that list would only make things worse.

Quote from: funbox on July 11, 2016, 02:43:40 AM
but would more raw data point give you a wider perspective of the scene ?

It would, but from what I remember of that situation, it was a GIF made with photos that showed a specific area from more than 2 three or four different positions, and the problem with that is that with 2 images we can make a stereo image that our brains convert to a 3D scene like they are used to do in our everyday life, but with more images we need them to be very similar, with small differences in perspective, so we can see the resulting animation more as a short movie of the area than as a slideshow of photos taken from different positions.

QuoteSo, did I pass the test? Am I the real ArMaP? :)

you past the test just in time

QuoteHow can I know if it's difficult or not, if I never looked into it? :)

then you have preconceived notions that prevent you .. not saying its fear... :D

QuoteNo, my problem is lack of time, I don't even have time for the things I have in my "to do list", adding more things to that list would only make things worse.

fair enough, I was just considering your interest in ufo/aliens , maybe there's pieces here that will compliment your own internal puzzle

funbox

Quote from: astr0144 on July 11, 2016, 03:45:58 AM
The only way would be to ask someone else what they may see (if they were willing to say or maybe ask for just some parts of what they may see to get an idea If I thought that maybe true)..

This is what I see (I erased my IP address, as I don't want to force the modem to give me a new one :) ).
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/IP_1.jpg)

QuoteIt maybe that only those who know how Servers work to be able to really understand it..or tell for sure...

Think about what happens when you login to Pegasus: you write your user name and password and then get a page that was created specifically for you and that only you see, like new replies to your posts. If the server didn't know to which IP address to send the page everyone would get the same information as you. With the image zorgon posted the same thing happens, as that image is created "on the fly" by the server and each person looks at the image sees a different version.

Oh yeah, ANOTHER shooting at a courthouse in western Michigan.

Officer down.

Thanks for showing me the image that you see ArMaP and for your explanation...

I did try to read the things that you and "Z" have said in ref to what I had wrote about viruses / ISPs etc and also looked at Danasoft .com website..where I can see a bit more what the website shows.

I still do not fully understand how it works in ref to that website..but I think that I now have a bit more understanding along with yours and "Zs" explanation..

and I have checked my ISP details..

ALL the details (ISP Browser ,windows version )appeared correct except one thing !!!

It showed  a different  message on the danasoft website to the one shown that "Zorgon" Posted in this thread that is shown in the image gif or box in the danasoft website on the bottom line..

Im not sure if "Z" had somehow took the HTML and altered the message from the Danasoft website or if he had selected the html at will and that was the message already wrote from the website..

what ever It may have been something that made me question it !!!

Did he know something that I didn't !  or that I thought maybe was sending a subtle advice warning message  ??? :)

When I just looked on the Danasoft website again...it shows a different added message..so maybe its automated to write different ones each time..but I think you can alter the HTML if you want to..

LASTLY...I just noticed that the Subtle message that I refer to showing in the Image Gif Box.. now appears to have altered ...and I looked also in another browser and it also shows a differing message...BUT the ISP and Windows info listed remains the same..

QuoteThink about what happens when you login to Pegasus: you write your user name and password and then get a page that was created specifically for you and that only you see, like new replies to your posts. If the server didn't know to which IP address to send the page everyone would get the same information as you. With the image zorgon posted the same thing happens, as that image is created "on the fly" by the server and each person looks at the image sees a different version

Quote from: astr0144 on July 11, 2016, 09:12:37 PM
I did try to read the things that you and "Z" have said in ref to what I had wrote about viruses / ISPs etc and also looked at Danasoft .com website..where I can see a bit more what the website shows.

Although the server only registers the IP address, the browser and the page the user was seeing when he/she navigated to that page, a site can get more information from the browser by using Javascript, that's why people worried about their privacy turn off Javascript (and why the TOR browser also has Javascript disabled by default).

QuoteLASTLY...I just noticed that the Subtle message that I refer to showing in the Image Gif Box.. now appears to have altered ...and I looked also in another browser and it also shows a differing message...BUT the ISP and Windows info listed remains the same..

I noticed that too, the message changes. As the image is created when the browser asks the server for it it's easy to have random messages added to the other information.

I came across a webpage that referred to you "Z" and it referred to some of your past background ..with details that I was not aware about...and I can now see that you have a Computer Background..and are not far from being a bit of an Einstein ! more so than I had realized.. :o  :)

So that may explain a few more things with relation to you seeming to know so much about Computers / websites, servers and Forums..

With PRC is the Forum classed as being also on a website then...I assume it is connected to the livingmoon.com

Im not sure if this is linked to someone else's server or if you have your own..

I think I understand that IP addresses connect to a server of any website..(or the website connects to a server) and records ones ISP when they visit a website that is on that server..

I recall Proxy Servers..and have used them in the past when wanting to send some emails undetected..
but since my computer is not running too well when I tried using one last time with my yahoo email... It had a real problem connecting to a proxy and I could not log into my yahoo account via the proxy to send the email..I tried a few proxys but non seemed to work when using yahoo..

BUT maybe one should consider using a proxy all the time these days..if one does want to try to be undetected..esp on certain forums..that may have spooks watching..


So I think your suggesting that its easy to find someones ISP....but is this only from those who visit your forum...

Otherwise How would you be able to find my ISP...you would need some initial information..I assume mine is recorded on your forum or websites server..and easy for you to get..and that you can only obtain the ISP if I visit your websites or send you and email..

QuoteActually to the website  as the forum is a sub directory of that website. ANY IP address is logged at the server... that is why people try to use proxy servers to hide their point of origin

it's real easy to get your IP :P  You really think there is privacy online?

You say that one needs to get access to ones server to find their ISP....and that NSA needs permission generally....

I suspect either any Secret Service organisation or police would have no problem obtaining those details..

When you say that they can have someone listen to someone...I assume you mean activity they may do online..but im not sure how one may put their foot in it as such.. unless say they were to post a link to their facebook site on a forum and the spooks were able to get details easily thru FB..

QuoteThose lists are visitor stats. Shows who visited from where  To check up on you they need access to the server. Even the NSA still needs papers to do that :P  They can however register an account and just have someone listen to you blabbering :P  and wait for you to put your foot into it :D\

The really funny thing is that 90% of people think that they are important enough to get watched.  LOL  yet those same people, knowing that facebook is an NSA spy trap... stillpost their daily lives and personal info. :o

At times I would think they may have preferred that such websites should be shut down if someone was to come on and start discussing some secret project..and who had broke the "must remain silent rules" or non disclosure laws...

But if in general the topics discussed were not in any great detail to release enough info for it to be something to become a main concern...it may not be that much of an issue to them.. and would only act on something that really was some sort of threat to them or to the national security.. 

No I have not considered any plans to blow anything up or any deals with Al quida..

QuoteIf they really cared what us conspiracy nuts think and where upset about it  sites like ATS and us would be shut down.  But since we draw the real kooks... it is better for them to leave us alone and just watch and wait.

So have YOU made any plans to blow up a building lately or made a deal with Al Quida?  If not don't worry about sharing your secret gravy recipe :P They DON'T CARE

Yes I have experienced most of that type of advert spyware in the past..and malware / AV/ Spyware removal programs show it up and hopefully remove most of it ....or it once  did !

BUT I do still wonder had I been visited by Spooks of some sort..at sometime..

QuoteYour WORST enemy is ADVERTISERS!  THEY spy on you all the time and get you to add tool bars and apps and hidden spyware  all in the name of getting you to BUY  That is what it is all about. It is the only reason they watch you... so they can barrage you with ads based on what you like.  That clogs up the system, makes adobe flash CRASH your system and requires constant updates of spotware to keep fixing the crash issues caused by marketers\

THAT is why your system acts up... not because an alphabet sopu agency is spying on you

It may depend how the Security Services determine one as any type of concern to them..

I maybe a inventor with the latest Free energy device... Do you think that they may monitor such a thing If I was trying to sell it to the World ?

OR what if I was a Financial or astrology expert predicting some major World event...

May that raise their interest ! ?

it may tip off other Countries as to what maybe coming..

QuoteWhy?  what would they gain? are YOU a terrorist in hiding?  They cannot spy on your computer if it is in stealth mode :P  You cannot access that which you cannot find :o :o

I have had viruses on my computer before and ran AV programs and it seemed to fix the problem..so why do you say no AV will fix my Computer ?

If you put most files etc on a "D" drive but its connected to my computer..or on another part of the main hardrive in a partition..surely they can still access those drives .

QuoteOnce a virus is let onto your computer and runs no existing anti virus will fix it. A hacker can mess things up, so you need a strong server that is hack proof  They cannot hack your website until they get past the server security. problem is with many free website offers you have no protection.

MOST viruses and hackers get in because you let them without realizing it. Those shared emails of some funny letter are the worst.  Best solution is keep all your files on a D drive and just use the C drive for the operating system. They cannot hack the D drive and neiter can a virus write to it

Good advice !

QuoteThere are always new viruses etc that need you to constantly update the AV software weekly and yes free AV ware doesn't fix everything as you are getting the free version :P

HOWEVER if you are in stealth mode and have a good firewall that blocks OUTGOING communication then nothing will get in to your system

most firewalls block incoming stuff  but not outgoing. So a program can install a script and dial out your info  Outgoing blockage is a nuisance at first because you have to give permissions for programs like your browser  AND you have to be careful to not get lazy or annoyed and just click ACCEPT when you get notified (my wife does this :P defeats the purpose of the firewall)

The website host company I had been with unfortunately only kept a copy for so many days...and at that time I was neive and new to websites overall self taught and not well advised... so I had not kept good copys in say one main file...all my content was in various folders in my computer..

BUT WHEN I clicked on my own website that had been infected it in turn also destroyed a lot of things on my computer also..

I had set up a Finance website and been warning about the 2007 crash...after previously running a private forum for some years..

so that is why I wonder was I targeted for that reason..

Id also been to Area 51 !  ??? before I new much about it....and I believe that I may have had an encounter with some spook in the Little Alien ! who I may have shared my email with after a discussion on Lazar ! having been nieve to things since learned on PRC..

QuoteZone Alarm and Comodo are two good ones  My daughter likes Comodo best

For STEALTH MODE  start here (I have posted this before)

https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2

As for a website getting hacked. any good server will have a clean backup copy  but you should have a copy at home anyway. I do all my work at home on my version then just use FTP to upload the changes  As the computer does it faster I just upload the whole section and set it to ignore any same size files

Quote from: astr0144 on July 11, 2016, 10:44:08 PM
I recall Proxy Servers..and have used them in the past when wanting to send some emails undetected..
but since my computer is not running too well when I tried using one last time with my yahoo email... It had a real problem connecting to a proxy and I could not log into my yahoo account via the proxy to send the email..I tried a few proxys but non seemed to work when using yahoo..

BUT maybe one should consider using a proxy all the time these days..if one does want to try to be undetected..esp on certain forums..that may have spooks watching..

If you want you can try the TOR browser (https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en). It installs a kind of proxy in you computer and a preconfigured version of Firefox. All servers you visit with that browser cannot register you IP address because your computer is not directly connected to them, the connection is made through several other computers with TOR installed.

I would be willing to bet that anyone you would really need to hide from have a way to see through any of the various methods to avoid and be secretive.

Quote from: astr0144 on July 11, 2016, 10:44:08 PM
I came across a webpage that referred to you "Z" and it referred to some of your past background ..with details that I was not aware about...and I can now see that you have a Computer Background..and are not far from being a bit of an Einstein ! more so than I had realized.. :o  :)

Oh yeah? Which one is that? :P

QuoteWith PRC is the Forum classed as being also on a website then...I assume it is connected to the livingmoon.com

A FORUM is a software program that has to have a website to run on. Whether you own that website and run it free or you sign up for something like Proboards and run it on their server

ALL my web related stuff is under the banner www.thelivingmoon.com  Even my other domains like UMLR.net run UNDER the main board but the pointers don't show it when you visit. My hostintg company allows me up to 15 domain names hosted under one unlimited account for $4.44 a month :P

QuoteIm not sure if this is linked to someone else's server or if you have your own..

The server is GLOBAT  There is no prsctical way to run a server yourself for high traffic. In the old days of Bulletin Boards (I ran Wildcat (http://www.santronics.com/index.php) :P ) your connections were limited to how many phone lines you ran into your server LOL

QuoteI think I understand that IP addresses connect to a server of any website..(or the website connects to a server) and records ones ISP when they visit a website that is on that server..

I recall Proxy Servers..and have used them in the past when wanting to send some emails undetected..
but since my computer is not running too well when I tried using one last time with my yahoo email... It had a real problem connecting to a proxy and I could not log into my yahoo account via the proxy to send the email..I tried a few proxys but non seemed to work when using yahoo..

Think of IP as a street address  Everyone has one that is unique. That is how mail addressed to YOU gets to your house. Same with an IP  computers need to have an address to identify you and your location. A Proxy is fine if your hiding things like terrorist activities :P though any good computer whiz can still track you if your on long enough :D

Yahoo most likely doesn't allow proxy servers just like some companies will not let you use their website if you have ad blocker in place (Publishers CZlearing House is one  they know if you have ad blocker) Facebook is demanding you use your real name  Zorgon no longer works at FB. They have been cancelling accounts and making you show drivers license to reinstate under your real name

I bety they are doing all this so people can be charged when they say certain things :P Google is doing the same thing but they still let me use Pegasus though they bug me every time

QuoteBUT maybe one should consider using a proxy all the time these days..if one does want to try to be undetected..esp on certain forums..that may have spooks watching..

Again I ask  WHAT are you afraid of? What are you hiding? Look at me and John lear  We of all people have posted stuff really bordering on secret yet they don't bother us Sure we had 'visits' but they ended up actually helping :D  Most average people are paranoid that THEY are being watched LOL    But for what reason What have you done that is suspicious behavior?   

I post what I want   I have had no issues and am not on the no fly list :P

QuoteSo I think your suggesting that its easy to find someones ISP....but is this only from those who visit your forum...

The lists I posted are only visitors to the forum... and all those have no reason to hide who they are so use their normal IP address  But yes it is easy to find anyone's IP  But if they don't connect to you you can't find them :P 

QuoteOtherwise How would you be able to find my ISP...you would need some initial information..I assume mine is recorded on your forum or websites server..and easy for you to get..and that you can only obtain the ISP if I visit your websites or send you and email..

The minute you log onto the forum  or visit a webpage  your IP is logged as a visitor. That is how statistics are gathered 

People are funny  They worry about sharing their ID with the government :P But they forget one thing..

The GOVERNMENT issues you your ID  Your drivers license, your Birth Certificate, your Social Security number, your Tax ID, etc etc are all issued by the government LOL Its all public record  You buy a house... its recorded at the county registrar for all to see...

The only people you need to hide from are Marketers :P 

QuoteYou say that one needs to get access to ones server to find their ISP....and that NSA needs permission generally....

Well if you have a server for your website, access is automatic via the control panel.  There are all kinds of stats available  I hardley ever use them  Also tons of free software like forums and galleries etc etc.  And yes the NSA does still need a court order to pull your record however it is not hard to get if they want it... merely a formality on paper

QuoteI suspect either any Secret Service organisation or police would have no problem obtaining those details..

When you say that they can have someone listen to someone...I assume you mean activity they may do online..but im not sure how one may put their foot in it as such.. unless say they were to post a link to their facebook site on a forum and the spooks were able to get details easily thru FB..

remember Edward Snowden? :P

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data

QuoteAt times I would think they may have preferred that such websites should be shut down if someone was to come on and start discussing some secret project..and who had broke the "must remain silent rules" or non disclosure laws...

Secret is a funny thing....  I can discuss a secret program because I am NOT part of that secret program, so all I have is hearsay and opinion.  IF I post secret documents that have not been declassified I would be arrested.

Example  Take the nuclear lab at Livermore  The scientists working on Fission upstairs do not know what the scientists working on Fusion downstairs are working on :P  So when I talked to a physicist in San Fransisco about the fusion work he said "So THAt is what those buggers are working on downstairs!"

A spook, that usede to be on ATS :P NJ Mooch was his name, explained it to me that they are allowed to discuss projects that they are NOT read into (working in) but the minute the converstaion switches to something they are in the know of, they start talking about the weather He told me if he starts talking about the weather that I was barking up the right tree as it were.

They are also allowed to discuss it in the form of fiction...  so that is why we use the term 'reading between the lines'  You have to use your own intuition and research to fill in the blanks from the hints.  Unfortunately that makes it hard to present proof to others :D

In the end most of the stuff I discover and am made privy to... ends up in my own files, just like John lear has 24 filing cabinets of info that will likely never see the light of day

Too much info  and too few people really care to look that deeply  All they want is to know are "Aliens real? Where can I see one"

QuoteBut if in general the topics discussed were not in any great detail to release enough info for it to be something to become a main concern...it may not be that much of an issue to them.. and would only act on something that really was some sort of threat to them or to the national security.. 

Exactly...  90% of people don't have 1) the attention span that is needed to get into it in detail (they generally loose interest after 40 seconds) 2) the understand level required to really figure out the big picture even when its laid out 3) the patience to read through official documents even though they demand those documents as proof of what you say.

How many people here at Pegasus can say that they have taken the time to independently follow all the leads?  (I can name a few:P )  it's not very many. I will open the other rooms to the public viewing later this week but will lock some threads because I know that the 99% will only look at them and want to comment with opinions and debunking like we see on all other forums. There are very few genuinely intersted people out there

QuoteNo I have not considered any plans to blow anything up or any deals with Al quida..

I used  to blow up stuff all the time LOL So did John and Bob lazar (but they did it BIGGER) I made a rocket engine in machine shop in high school :P  My mineral assay lab in the garage made some cops ask about my meth lab  :P  idiots  but I did get a written apology from the captain :P

QuoteYes I have experienced most of that type of advert spyware in the past..and malware / AV/ Spyware removal programs show it up and hopefully remove most of it ....or it once  did !

BUT I do still wonder had I been visited by Spooks of some sort..at sometime..

Well there are hundreds of spook agencies around the world LOL Just smile and wave to them. If you see a black van outside take them some coffee and a sandwhich (no donuts :P that is too cliche)   Sitting all day in a car is wearisome Or invite them in to chat :D

QuoteIt may depend how the Security Services determine one as any type of concern to them..

I maybe a inventor with the latest Free energy device... Do you think that they may monitor such a thing If I was trying to sell it to the World ?

yes they monitor all new tech  They even have a restricted tech list.  But it seems kids can still make a 200 watt killer laser out of scrap parts and ost it on YT :P 

However IF you had a truly working free energy device  there is NOTHING that could stop it getting out.  Just sell it to China :P 

So far no one has one yet :P

Quote from: ArMaP on July 11, 2016, 12:57:34 PM
No. :)
So, did I pass the test? Am I the real ArMaP? :)

Dunno :P All I see is a South Park character posting words :P Define "real" :p

Quote from: zorgon on July 13, 2016, 12:56:51 AM
Dunno :P All I see is a South Park character posting words :P Define "real" :p

ArMaP only exists online, the guy writing his posts only exists offline. :)

Quote from: ArMaP on July 13, 2016, 12:59:59 AM
ArMaP only exists online, the guy writing his posts only exists offline. :)

hmm an interesting paradoxical riddle

is the answer electricity?

funbox

I am not sure if you had posted a profile on PRC ! if so I am yet to have come across it.. How many other places may it maybe on ? or maybe you are not even aware someone else may had posted it !  :P  Keep you guessing for a while !  :)

QuoteOh yeah? Which one is that? :P

Thanks for the reply to many of the points that I had wrote...and the info that you had explained on some of the technical parts on how servers etc work or how ISPs are monitored..

Also there some other things that made an interesting read..


Probably after what John and Bob Lazar went thru back in the late 1980s / 1990s... they and anyone who was able to communicate with them.. got to learn to some degree how the Security / Secret Services operated..

But at that time...I wonder what may have happened had the Internet been available back then !

Bob spread the word via the media and John had become involved..

So How would the Spooks had been if they had been posting on the net ! or in Forums if they existed back then..

Im sure they may had preferred to have remained anonymous if they had been aware they were being monitored..and at risk..

Seeing what sort of threats Bob had.. from releasing certain information.. is an eg as to why one may want to take no chances in what they may post and have it directly linked to themselves..

Having said all that ...the other side of the coin is those who observe the net for information have to be greatful to the likes of those who set up forums like this that discuss such things..and those who set them up are brave and bold for doing so ..as well as fearless !  ???

QuoteAgain I ask  WHAT are you afraid of? What are you hiding? Look at me and John lear  We of all people have posted stuff really bordering on secret yet they don't bother us Sure we had 'visits' but they ended up actually helping :D  Most average people are paranoid that THEY are being watched LOL    But for what reason What have you done that is suspicious behavior?   

I post what I want   I have had no issues and am not on the no fly list :P

I think that there must be some things that you do post or ATS post that discusses certain things that the Spooks may be quite concerned if it was released to a wider general public..

it maybe generally certain such topics are kept mainly in similar forums...and rarely released outside that to the public..

QuoteSecret is a funny thing....  I can discuss a secret program because I am NOT part of that secret program, so all I have is hearsay and opinion.  IF I post secret documents that have not been declassified I would be arrested.

Interesting to see how they work / operate or what they can or cannot say..as well as to learn that they are willing to discuss  other similar related things as well as they are not directly involved in it..

QuoteA spook, that usede to be on ATS :P NJ Mooch was his name, explained it to me that they are allowed to discuss projects that they are NOT read into (working in) but the minute the converstaion switches to something they are in the know of, they start talking about the weather He told me if he starts talking about the weather that I was barking up the right tree as it were.

They are also allowed to discuss it in the form of fiction...  so that is why we use the term 'reading between the lines'  You have to use your own intuition and research to fill in the blanks from the hints.  Unfortunately that makes it hard to present proof to others :D

Johns "X Files "  :D

QuoteIn the end most of the stuff I discover and am made privy to... ends up in my own files, just like John lear has 24 filing cabinets of info that will likely never see the light of day

Yes I think that is probably most folks number one question in relation to such sort of topics..

Im sure it was also to nearly ALL members on PRC..

QuoteToo much info  and too few people really care to look that deeply  All they want is to know are "Aliens real? Where can I see one"

Id say that could be a very good description..and maybe some points many had not considered.

QuoteExactly...  90% of people don't have 1) the attention span that is needed to get into it in detail (they generally loose interest after 40 seconds) 2) the understand level required to really figure out the big picture even when its laid out 3) the patience to read through official documents even though they demand those documents as proof of what you say.

I agree, but in reality very few have the time..or do  too many other things to investigate into such stuff deeply.. it also relates to other things you said earlier.

QuoteHow many people here at Pegasus can say that they have taken the time to independently follow all the leads?  (I can name a few:P )  it's not very many. I will open the other rooms to the public viewing later this week but will lock some threads because I know that the 99% will only look at them and want to comment with opinions and debunking like we see on all other forums. There are very few genuinely intersted people out there

What would the Spooks do if they were aware we were likely to do that ?

and also could we even trust China ?

QuoteHowever IF you had a truly working free energy device  there is NOTHING that could stop it getting out.  Just sell it to China :P 

So far no one has one yet :P

Is this the 1st time that you unlocked any threads to the public ?

Can you give us some threads that maybe..

I assume that means they are able to post comments in what maybe open threads..

and it maybe a trial to see how it goes and get more members..

I recall that you did create another replica some time back..I assume that was not not suitable as members on the main forum rarely visited it to post or reply..

QuoteI will open the other rooms to the public viewing later this week but will lock some threads because I know that the 99% will only look at them and want to comment with opinions and debunking like we see on all other forums. There are very few genuinely intersted people out there

Always wondered what and where ArMaPs avatar was from..

Quote from: ArMaP on July 13, 2016, 12:59:59 AM
ArMaP only exists online, the guy writing his posts only exists offline. :)

I may look into this and try it  ArMaP..could be what I am looking for..

Cheers..

QuoteIf you want you can try the TOR browser. It installs a kind of proxy in you computer and a preconfigured version of Firefox. All servers you visit with that browser cannot register you IP address because your computer is not directly connected to them, the connection is made through several other computers with TOR installed.

Quote from: astr0144 on July 13, 2016, 04:57:33 AM
Always wondered what and where ArMaPs avatar was from..

I created it on this site (http://www.sp-studio.de/), as a virtual representation of what I look like in real life. :)

Quote from: ArMaP on July 13, 2016, 01:40:52 PM
I created it on this site (http://www.sp-studio.de/), as a virtual representation of what I look like in real life. :)

(http://www.sp-studio.de/wp-content/uploads/blog_contest2016-05.png)

So what's this about you liking to hunt rocks?

Quote from: funbox on July 13, 2016, 02:49:03 AM
hmm an interesting paradoxical riddle

No riddle, just facts. :)

Quoteis the answer electricity?

There's no question, so there's no answer. :)

Quote from: ArMaP on July 13, 2016, 11:41:54 PM
No riddle, just facts. :)
There's no question, so there's no answer. :)

no riddle ? how can you not exist at the same time both online and off ?

funbox

Quote from: zorgon on July 13, 2016, 08:53:13 PM
So what's this about you liking to hunt rocks?

It's exactly that, too bad I live in a city. :(

Quote from: funbox on July 13, 2016, 11:51:36 PM
no riddle ? how can you not exist at the same time both online and off ?

Do things that only exist online really exist? And can a physical entity exist online?

Quote from: ArMaP on July 13, 2016, 11:54:41 PM
Do things that only exist online really exist?

upto the point they don't , deletion =silicone heaven

QuoteAnd can a physical entity exist online?

what ? you mean some kind of sentient consciousness trapped within a machine that runs on electricity ? Lawnmower man anology?

are you sure your a biological version of the above ? :D

funbox

Quote from: funbox on July 14, 2016, 12:01:01 AM
what ? you mean some kind of sentient consciousness trapped within a machine that runs on electricity ? Lawnmower man anology?

Maybe, I don't know what's that "Lawnmower man" thing.

Quote from: ArMaP on July 14, 2016, 12:29:57 AM
Maybe, I don't know what's that "Lawnmower man" thing.

I don't know why im bothering

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5MGi_hcHNE

you wont watch it

funbox

Quote from: funbox on July 14, 2016, 12:32:15 AM
I don't know why im bothering

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5MGi_hcHNE

you wont watch it

You're right this time. :)

A description would have been enough...

Quote from: ArMaP on July 14, 2016, 12:36:32 AM
You're right this time. :)

A description would have been enough...

fair enough

a research scientist, via nootropic drugs takes his neighbours gardener retard *jobe*as a research subject and with a V.R headset, intuitive teaching software ,manages to turn him into a super genius with an I.Q far exceeding his mentors. Jobe later goes on to shell his body that was hooked up to the internet, and send his mind ,consciousness into it.

his birth call into the web, was to make all the phones on earth ring simultaneously

the trouble was .. it was too fast..too much knowledge, too much of an upgrade.  it broke his mind and turned him into a merciless killer :D

funbox

Thanks for the description. :)

Now that I know what you were talking about, I can say that I don't think it's possible for a living creature to exist online. As I don't know if the mind can exist without the body I can't say if the "Lawnmower man" situation is possible or not.

I don't do the film justice , it has far subtler nuances than I can throw at you ,

QuoteNow that I know what you were talking about, I can say that I don't think it's possible for a living creature to exist online. As I don't know if the mind can exist without the body I can't say if the "Lawnmower man" situation is possible or not.

so that Russian guy's not got a chance in hell then ? .. hmm you should bend his ear for wasting money and resources :D

synoptic video compromise :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LNvXjb44-U



cybobox

Quote from: ArMaP on July 13, 2016, 11:52:22 PM
It's exactly that, too bad I live in a city. :(

okay 'rocks' is not enough info :P What kind of rocks? beach rocks? mineral specimens? fossils?

I live in a city too but have found many rocks in construction sites 

This one for example   its pretty big and I got a few car loads of stuff form this one housing project  They were blasting into the hills so after hours I just went shopping :P

(http://landoflegendslv.com/00shoppes/03Legends/04images/Chalcedony/Crystal_001d.png)

So if you like rocks  I have lots Shipping not too bad on small samples

Quote from: astr0144 on July 13, 2016, 04:47:40 AM
I assume that means they are able to post comments in what maybe open threads..

No we do not allow guest posting You have to join to post  But opening the threads will let the public see them 

Quoteand it maybe a trial to see how it goes and get more members..

That is the idea  yes

QuoteI recall that you did create another replica some time back..I assume that was not not suitable as members on the main forum rarely visited it to post or reply..

We made a backup new copy of the forum but since then this one has sorta ffixed itself so we are good for now

i DO plan to purge a lot of old junk threads  Ones that have run their course and have no real content of value  Clear up some space on the database

The Library threads will stay but I need to copy them to the website  More people see them there

Quote from: zorgon on July 14, 2016, 04:37:18 AM
okay 'rocks' is not enough info :P What kind of rocks? beach rocks? mineral specimens? fossils?

I like all kinds of rocks (as anyone that has seen my posts on the anomalies boards knows :P ), but this is a sedimentary, geologically new region (less than 20 million years), so I only found fossils, mostly on a construction site. Some of the older houses and walls in Almada (mostly from the 18th century, as the Lisbon earthquake of 1755 destroyed most older buildings, although we can still see stones from buildings pre-dating the earthquake in some of those 18th century houses) used sedimentary rocks with fossils in their construction, as there aren't any other types of rock here.

Sedimentary rocks especially limestone have all kinds of pockets with crystals in them. Used to spend a lot of time in the cement quarries in Toronto

Oddly enough  the quarry on the east side had mostly fossils while the one on the west had the cool crystals

Both quarries allowed access if you asked permission and signed in.  It was fun picking up fossils while the big trucks went by :D  The fossil quarry was four levels deep  with 400 million year old trilobites in level three

The crystal quarry was awesome as they left huge rocks with pockets for collector to search  So the quarry did all the hard work

This is Dundas Quarry  The walls are off limits :P 
(http://www.mindat.org/arphotos/359h237-0028062001034859070.jpg)

But I saw a pocket of crystals up the wall once and used a rusty old pipe to knock them out  Got a LOT from that pocket

This is one of the bigger pieces

(http://landoflegendslv.com/00shoppes/03Legends/04images/Calcite/Dogtooth/Dogtooth_002c.png)

Despite them falling from the wall I got good samples

This is a closeup
(http://landoflegendslv.com/00shoppes/03Legends/04images/Calcite/Dogtooth/Dogtooth_002d.png)

These are the blocks the quarry leaves for collectors  Hard hat and vest required so you don't get run over by the mining trucks :P

(http://www.mindat.org/photos/0238541001254082223.jpg)

Quote from: zorgon on July 14, 2016, 08:24:37 PM
Sedimentary rocks especially limestone have all kinds of pockets with crystals in them.

We don't even have limestone here, only a kind of compressed clay.

QuoteThis is one of the bigger pieces

(http://landoflegendslv.com/00shoppes/03Legends/04images/Calcite/Dogtooth/Dogtooth_002c.png)

Very nice. :)

Here are some rocks visible in some walls of hold houses.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Sunp0038.jpg)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Sunp0037.jpg)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Sunp0036.jpg)

I suppose they are good enough to make walls and, to bring to original topic back, to throw at CIA trolls. ;)

I have managed to use a proxy server with yahoo email successfully ok before, maybe a year ago or so...but the last few times I have tried it, It would not work for me..It may have been down to the Proxy server I used..It had been a Free one that worked ok in the past..and I cannot recall which one it had been...I was not able to find it when I searched to try and find it again a year or so later..There were then many more in the search engine rankings...so the ones id used may have disappeared or moved down the rankings..

It also may have been down to me having a problem with my computer that for what ever reason the others I had tried just could not cope with them.. or it may have been the browser i used (I think I was on a older version of I.E back then)and an issue with a popup blocker....I think I was on a different browser a year or more ago and there seems several variations in some of the  things on the likes of  other browsers like Chrome and Firefox..some I don't really know very well how best to use.. you get used to one browser then before you know it its been updated.. then you get other versions and have to learn about them...I dont always want to have to deal or take the time in trying to learn the ins and outs and changes with them all... its a pain if your not a patient , knowledgeable or clever techy.... Its  the same with some of the Operating systems.. you get used to one.. and may like it, like Id got used to XP.. then they stop updating it ..  I was happy with XP... but now as they have no further updates , somethings things no longer work with it..and im sure soon it will be totally replaced..

With regards to having to use ones real identity to be able to use such things as yahoo groups or facebook.. where as before you could use fake details..

I do find that concerning in someways...as I dont want  to have my real details shown or given to such services...

I think at the moment you can still use fake IDs etc.. but they are starting to try to get you to give them more info.... Even yahoo groups now request your mobile phone number to join...NOT every one has a mobile or uses one... and they do not offer any other option.... so basically if you have don't have a mobile number or cannot write one in the sign up process.. you are unable to join..  You can probably use a false mobile number...but why do they want a mobile number ... they used to ask for a 2nd email incase you lost you ID and PW details....but they had a sign up process where you are asked to answer some questions.. that you then can use to answer if you loose you ID details..where the lost password process then asks you the answer to one of the sign up questions.. like what was the name of your favorite teacher..that  type of thing..

With facebook as far as I am aware... they only need your real ID if you use them for any sort of business.. such as if you advertise on Facebook using their FB ads.. similar to google ads.. or maybe if you are some sort of business that you want to set up a type of corporate look..

BUT it maybe that anytime they may request all our real IDs..

Im not sure I will consider using them when it gets to that stage..



Zorgon

QuoteYahoo most likely doesn't allow proxy servers just like some companies will not let you use their website if you have ad blocker in place (Publishers CZlearing House is one  they know if you have ad blocker) Facebook is demanding you use your real name  Zorgon no longer works at FB. They have been cancelling accounts and making you show drivers license to reinstate under your real name

I bety they are doing all this so people can be charged when they say certain things :P Google is doing the same thing but they still let me use Pegasus though they bug me every time

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9501.msg125412#msg125412

Interesting what you show about your rock experiences "Z"... Would you say that you have some finds that are worthy to sell for  high fees ?

some of your images of the quarry didn't seem to be working.. but It seems a good idea to check in them, ..Maybe in some you can get access.. but I also suspect some you may not have permission or its classed as a danger area..

QuoteSo what's this about you liking to hunt rocks?

I like your explanation of LM man Funbox, I don't think ive seen that movie..or may not had understood it back at the time..

I thought that ArMaP only would not watch certain videos like Alex Jones or Jessie Venturas !  :)

otherwise I think he is missing out if he won't watch any at all..

I thought that I read it said... that they say a picture tells a story that maybe otherwise could take a 1000 words to describe...and videos offer an even better way to show or demonstrate things than even a single picture..

if not ..then that's my description to explain why watching video is a good thing.. and helps save a lot of thought , explaining and writing time.. :P

Funbox

Quotewhat ? you mean some kind of sentient consciousness trapped within a machine that runs on electricity ? Lawnmower man anology?

Quotea research scientist, via nootropic drugs takes his neighbours gardener retard *jobe*as a research subject and with a V.R headset, intuitive teaching software ,manages to turn him into a super genius with an I.Q far exceeding his mentors. Jobe later goes on to shell his body that was hooked up to the internet, and send his mind ,consciousness into it.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9501.msg125460#msg125460

QuoteI like your explanation of LM man Funbox, I dont think ive seen that movie..or may not had understood it back at the time..

it's great , what other films do you  get to see a  lawnmower, controlled via telekinesis , eat someone*? :D

edit
hmm was there a military coo just. as I was posting ? :D

wtf turkey

funbox

Quote from: ArMaP on July 15, 2016, 10:02:19 PM
Here are some rocks visible in some walls of hold houses.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Sunp0038.jpg)

Looks like porous limestone to me :P

(http://geology.com/rocks/pictures/limestone-tufa-380.jpg)

Fossils from the Miocene Formation
Portugal

(http://www.thefossilforum.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-20401-0-31568300-1452460135.jpg)

Quote from: zorgon on July 15, 2016, 10:38:53 PM
Fossils from the Miocene Formation
Portugal

(http://www.thefossilforum.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-20401-0-31568300-1452460135.jpg)

that top left fossil *whiter stone* looks like the ones Mr Shift keeps finding on mars.. ill see if I can dig up a pic or link

funbox

Quote from: astr0144 on July 15, 2016, 10:09:10 PM
I have managed to use a proxy server with yahoo email successfully ok before maybe a year ago or so...but the last few times I tried it, It would not work for me..It may have been down to the Proxy server I used..It had been a Free one..and I cannot recall which one it had been...I was not able to find it when I searched to try and find it again a year or so later..There were then many more in the search engine rankings...so the ones id uses may had disappeared or moved down the rankings..

I just tried and I was able to use Yahoo! mail from the TOR browser. :)

QuoteEven yahoo groups now request your mobile phone number to join...NOT every one has a mobile or uses one... and they do not offer any other option.... so basically if you have a mobile number or cannot write one in the sign up process.. you are unable to join..  You can probably use a false mobile number...but why do they want a mobile number ... they used to ask for a 2nd email incase you lost you ID and PW details....but they had a sign up process where you are asked to answer some questions.. that you then can use to answer if you loose you ID details..where the lost password process then asks you the answer to one of the sign up questions.. like what was the name of your favorite teacher..that  type of thing..

Some years ago I wanted to join an Yahoo group (a group connected to the movie Anunnaki) and they asked me for my mobile phone number. I sent a complaint saying that I don't have a mobile phone and asking if there was any other way of signing to Yahoo, and I got some very polite messages from the (Brazilian) Portuguese Yahoo client support, but, at the end, they told me that without a mobile phone I couldn't get a Yahoo account.

I don't remember how I did it, but I found another way of creating an Yahoo account (I think it was because I had some old account on some other company that was bought by Yahoo or something like that) and was able to join the group. :)

QuoteIm not sure I will consider using them when it gets to that stage..

I will not.

Quotesome of your images of the quarry didn't seem to be working.. but It seems a good idea to check in them, ..Maybe in some you can get access.. but I also suspect some you may not have permission or its classed as a danger area..

Apparently, those sites do not allow linking to their images, but if you copy the image's address and paste it on the address bar of your browser you can see them. :)

QuoteI thought that ArMaP only would not watch certain videos like Alex Jones or Jessie Venturas !  :)

otherwise I think he is missing out if he won't watch any at all..

No, I don't watch to most videos because I think they are a waste of time. :)

QuoteI thought that I read it said... that they say a picture tells a story that maybe otherwise could take a 1000 words to describe...and videos offer an even better way to show or demonstrate things than even a single picture..

That "a picture's worth 1000 words" was a slogan for a camera maker. :)
To see that's not really true, can you think of an image that conveys the idea that "a picture's worth 1000 words"? ;)

Quoteif not ..then that's my description to explain why watching video is a good thing.. and helps save a lot of thought , explaining and writing time.. :P

That's another reason I don't like videos, as most videos are made in a way that thinking is not needed, you just look and absorb the information, and I like to think about the information I am getting. :)
Sometimes, explaining things to other people helps us understand them, I used to do that frequently with some of my co-workers, whenever they had some problem with their programming projects I just asked them to explain the problem in detail. Most of the times, while explaining it, they found where the problem was and solved them themselves.

PS: videos have their use, as some things are really better understood with a video, but not as much as people (and YouTube ;) ) like us to think. :)

ahh here it is

(http://i.imgur.com/3X24MGh.gif)

you remember this one ArMaP ?

funbox

Quote from: funbox on July 15, 2016, 11:02:18 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/3X24MGh.gif)

you remember this one ArMaP ?

I remember the photo, not any discussion related to it. :)

Quote from: ArMaP on July 15, 2016, 11:17:42 PM
I remember the photo, not any discussion related to it. :)

yes I remember well, I remember you digressing about a fossil and some misdemeanour I had supposedly done by pointing out someone making a comparison on a completely different thread  of a fossil ,misleading everyone with a ridiculously high resolution photograph that was far superior to the muck nasa throw at us

talk about a thread changing tangent :D
from page three
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1049238/pg3

funbox

Good to know...

Im not sure how other std type ones may work.. but some can be a pain to use or they want you to sign up with them etc...even thou its free..

I may try one again at some time just to see.

I think I recall now ...last time I tried...I was able to log in to yahoo thru most of the free proxy/s.. that I tried...BUT the problem was...when I then tried to click on the actual email and compose one... it did not work for me even thou it showed I was logged in thru the proxy server...again it may have been my computer was just struggling to deal with it as sometimes.. it seems poor at doing certain things..

Im not really sure what the problem maybe..

but I will try TOR next time..

QuoteI just tried and I was able to use Yahoo! mail from the TOR browser. :)

Interesting to know of your experience and thoughts on also not liking having had been asked for a Mobile number...

At one time it seemed almost impossible to contact yahoo.... they had a large section of FAQs..that gave certain info...but it was not good enough in answering some questions...

Some similar things like yahoo have live chat which can be very good and help one quickly get answers to tricky questions...

Lately I have seen some SUGGESTED yahoo help websites...and I called one about 2 weeks ago..as I had lost some of my yahoo group log in details..or some I had not accessed for over a year and you are no longer able to access the groups....

and they claimed to to be able help you get back into the groups and reactivate them..

On enquiring further.. they charge you £120....

I am not even sure its really connected  to yahoo and suspected it maybe a scam...where they could take money of you and also get into your yahoo accounts..

It probably is a real company..and they just charge for it..... they say they have to use special software to access the groups..

QuoteSome years ago I wanted to join an Yahoo group (a group connected to the movie Anunnaki) and they asked me for my mobile phone number. I sent a complaint saying that I don't have a mobile phone and asking if there was any other way of signing to Yahoo, and I got some very polite messages from the (Brazilian) Portuguese Yahoo client support, but, at the end, they told me that without a mobile phone I couldn't get a Yahoo account. 8) 8)

Yahoo made some changes in the last 2 yrs if i recall.. and it may have depended when you joined..

as I think I was also able to join thru another link of the old version...

BUT they later removed that option all together..

I have not found any solution around this since..

but again why they do not offer any other option  other than a mobile phone number.. I have no idea..

I may try to see if i can join one with a made up number...

I wonder if they have a system that recognises if its genuine !?

I run one group and used to post to my members..and get members join...but since they brought the mobile number in..I think less people join..

why they cannot also use the old system of another email addess I do not know..

QuoteI don't remember how I did it, but I found another way of creating an Yahoo account (I think it was because I had some old account on some other company that was bought by Yahoo or something like that) and was able to join the group. :)

Quote from: funbox on July 15, 2016, 11:37:27 PM
yes I remember well, I remember you digressing about a fossil and some misdemeanour I had supposedly done by pointing out someone making a comparison on a completely different thread  of a fossil ,misleading everyone with a ridiculously high resolution photograph that was far superior to the muck nasa throw at us

It may have been important for you, as I don't remember it even after a quick look at that thread I suppose it was nothing important for me. :)

Quote from: astr0144 on July 15, 2016, 10:09:10 PM
Interesting what you show about your rock experiences "Z"... Would you say that you have some finds that are worthy to sell for  high fees ?

Yes I would say a few :P  Like this opal

(http://landoflegendslv.com/00shoppes/03Legends/04images/Opal/Rough/Opal_001x.png)

why would anybody want yahoo anyways.they are a failing company that if i remember correctly,just got sold at a loss,that as far as im concerned is a israelly propaganda tool,with poor programmers.imho,yahoo=yes jew

Quote from: ArMaP on July 16, 2016, 12:45:36 AM
It may have been important for you, as I don't remember it even after a quick look at that thread I suppose it was nothing important for me. :)

from page 3 to ten, but things settle down afterwards

I suppose at the time it was important to you , as you went on about it for pages...

I wonder if cia trolls do similar things ? :D

funbox

I like some things about yahoo..

I prefer its main yahoo website compared to other similar websites like MSN...and I had found their email system relatively ok...

With ref to Yahoo groups....I think they were good a few years ago as a very quick and easy way to set up some sort of forum like website to obtain a following and recruit members very quickly without having to know very much about computers or running a main forum.. if say you tend to relate to one main specific topic that you want to discuss..

It does not however allow you to create separate areas for various topics like we see on PRC where there are numerous sections and topic title areas.

Is it any better than other groups..Im not certain, but I have not found other similar groups as yet that appeal to me in the same way..

The likes of Facebook is probably better (in certain things) or similar depending how one wants to use it..

Maybe that could be a better alternative..but as I had been on yahoo groups some years...I think that I had some loyalty to it..

but I don't like some of the changes..such as requiring a mobile phone number to join..

Quote from: robomont on July 16, 2016, 04:59:36 AM
why would anybody want yahoo anyways.they are a failing company that if i remember correctly,just got sold at a loss,that as far as im concerned is a israelly propaganda tool,with poor programmers.imho,yahoo=yes jew

Quote from: funbox on July 16, 2016, 12:09:54 PM
from page 3 to ten, but things settle down afterwards

I suppose at the time it was important to you , as you went on about it for pages...

About the rock in the photo you posted?

Quote from: ArMaP on July 16, 2016, 05:42:29 PM
About the rock in the photo you posted?

it wasn't , it was a fossil posted by someone else on a thread that went to the void, on that thread I made a few enhancements to the huge resolution photo that was posted, I brought it more inline with what you get with jpl , although I did give it a martian redwash for ironic Vikings sake,

you went on about how I was deceiving for quite a few pages, my point was that the comparison was a deception in the first place .. just like nasa deceives with their jpgRAW's

funbox

Quote from: funbox on July 16, 2016, 08:19:49 PM
you went on about how I was deceiving for quite a few pages, my point was that the comparison was a deception in the first place .. just like nasa deceives with their jpgRAW's

Now you are deceiving again, those "quite a few pages" were only three or four posts.

And I see I was right, it wasn't really important for me, just another case of funbox being funbox.  :P

Quote from: zorgon on July 15, 2016, 10:35:53 PM
Looks like porous limestone to me :P

It does, I didn't know about that kind of limestone. :)

PS: for some reason I didn't notice the last three posts on that page, that's why I only answered it now.

Quote from: zorgon on July 15, 2016, 10:38:53 PM
Fossils from the Miocene Formation
Portugal

(http://www.thefossilforum.com/uploads/monthly_01_2016/post-20401-0-31568300-1452460135.jpg)

Some of the fossils found by me and my sister in Almada. :)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Sam_3258.jpg)

Quote from: ArMaP on July 16, 2016, 09:28:44 PM
Now you are deceiving again, those "quite a few pages" were only three or four posts.

And I see I was right, it wasn't really important for me, just another case of funbox being funbox.  :P

thank god it was just that 'one off instance eh ' :D

funbox

i always thought a funbox was a box for psychologist to put people in and then manipulate inputs and outputs.kinda like pegasus could be used as one,since its member list is small and tight.

but thats just me thinking out loud.not pointing a finger at anybody or anybots.lol

but since cia is basically 90% psychology,10% grunt work.....

Quote from: robomont on July 16, 2016, 11:36:01 PM
i always thought a funbox was a box for psychologist to put people in and then manipulate inputs and outputs.kinda like pegasus could be used as one,since its member list is small and tight.

but thats just me thinking out loud.not pointing a finger at anybody or anybots.lol

but since cia is basically 90% psychology,10% grunt work.....

the one who smelt it dealt it ,:P  besides I always thought a funbox was in reference to the genitals :D, but I just think its a universal thing, one big funbox

funbox

But seriously Robomont, not all of us are buiding u.f.o's in their yards.. do you really think they give a shit about us peons here ? neigh.. mere proletarians walkway only

not to be impolite to those of us that aren't cooking up u.f.o's of cource :D

funbox

just baiting and waiting,the fish will soon bite.then i can identify what the fish are.im thinking a stinky species but not 100% ever on anything.
on ct forums its always a chess game of wits.ghost playing.
as im well known by all members,im already at a disadvantage over avatars in mask.
but clues emerge with time.age,knowledge base etc.when more than one person is behind an avatar then there is disruption in harmony and it shows in the typing skills,and responses.
but i just never know so i gage responses.as elvis is a 60 age group but articulation shows caffiene or meth,60ish arent usually wired on stimulants but are just trying to keep from getting a heart attack.thats why i suspect bot.but not calling anybody out as to me this is a play thread anyways.
now if this was ig.then things would become hardcore.all well and fun!

Quote from: robomont on July 17, 2016, 01:35:53 AM
just baiting and waiting,the fish will soon bite.then i can identify what the fish are.im thinking a stinky species but not 100% ever on anything.
on ct forums its always a chess game of wits.ghost playing.
as im well known by all members,im already at a disadvantage over avatars in mask.
but clues emerge with time.age,knowledge base etc.when more than one person is behind an avatar then there is disruption in harmony and it shows in the typing skills,and responses.
but i just never know so i gage responses.as elvis is a 60 age group but articulation shows caffiene or meth,60ish arent usually wired on stimulants but are just trying to keep from getting a heart attack.thats why i suspect bot.but not calling anybody out as to me this is a play thread anyways.
now if this was ig.then things would become hardcore.all well and fun!

*funbox shuffles about in his carpet slippers and takes a deep draught on the meth pipe *..Elvis is known to children, *funbox consorts the jnr fisher price compendium of elvis hits , and lights up the replica 50's jukebox/karaoke  machine...*

hmmm Robomont .. sounds a bit robotish to me , like I say , smelt it, delt it

botbox2016^tm_{twin turbo^{gif juice injected}arley barley}

damn, im good !your binary is showing.lol.

Quote from: robomont on July 17, 2016, 01:35:53 AM
when more than one person is behind an avatar then there is disruption in harmony and it shows in the typing skills,and responses.

Someone with multiple personalities can act as two (or more) completely different people.

congrats on the bot armap,you almost had me fooled,good job on the programming but his variables cover too much area and his response time is too fast.its close though.

Quote from: ArMaP on July 17, 2016, 01:55:51 AM
Someone with multiple personalities can act as two (or more) completely different people.

indeed they can , but maybe you ,and one or two others can vouch for me not being a bot or cia , or a schizophrenic, even though the very second post was a stab at me .. I refrained long enough .. so whats the problem?

funbox

for a guy who can be very hardcore,that was a light prick on you,a blade of grass would have hurt more.imho,i think you are a bot.but if so,its not an insult,
if you are not a bot then you are one of the highest intelligent people on the planet and that makes you a threat to me.lol.not really but to be anon and not knowing much about you makes me very suspicious.your response time is very fast and your vocabulary is way beyond the 99%.things that raise eyebrows.
who are you and where are you from.not details just generalizations.if you dont mind.

Quote from: robomont on July 17, 2016, 02:24:22 AM
for a guy who can be very hardcore,that was a light prick on you,a blade of grass would have hurt more.imho,i think you are a bot.but if so,its not an insult,
if you are not a bot then you are one of the highest intelligent people on the planet and that makes you a threat to me.lol.not really but to be anon and not knowing much about you makes me very suspicious.your response time is very fast and your vocabulary is way beyond the 99%.things that raise eyebrows.
who are you and where are you from.not details just generalizations.if you dont mind.

strange it wasn't a stab at you.. but then you didn't see that did you :D look back in the post and you'll see otter is second... codger :D

im too lazy to give you a lowdown , but if you like investigating , there's a few thousand posts on ATS to phyco analyse, maybe you can start at my introductory post there :D

funbox

p.s enjoy the advertising !

Quote from: robomont on July 17, 2016, 02:02:49 AM
congrats on the bot armap,you almost had me fooled,good job on the programming but his variables cover too much area and his response time is too fast.its close though.

let me check the archives for a amusing characterisation of this episode

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pedAc8rQimw

funbox

zorgon has a very bad habit of smileys at ends of sentences.and loves add revenue. :P

Quote from: robomont on July 17, 2016, 02:40:54 AM
zorgon has a very bad habit of smileys at ends of sentences.and loves add revenue. :P

it is true , I am skilled in webmarketing

does this make me  Zorgon , or even employed ?.. there's a slowboat with my name on it and im still waiting..

no that's most definatly a wrong tree ..

funbox is just fine .. but then, whats in a name anyway ?

Quote from: funbox on July 17, 2016, 12:02:00 AM
But seriously Robomont, not all of us are buiding u.f.o's in their yards..

That is most likely the STUPEDIST thing I have ever heard on here :P

WHY would any one build a UFO?  How do you build something unidentified?

:P

::)

Quote from: funbox on July 16, 2016, 10:01:44 PM
thank god it was just that 'one off instance eh ' :D

funbox

So do you actually have something to contribute or do you just waste the days with silly meaningless comments?

Just askin :P

Quote from: zorgon on July 17, 2016, 09:17:47 PM
That is most likely the STUPEDIST thing I have ever heard on here :P

WHY would any one build a UFO?  How do you build something unidentified?

:P

::)

first you have to use intense amounts of gif juice,it can only be squeezed by wolves unfortunately,.. take the juice and marinade in some old Budd Hopkins books, leave overnight until completely saturated and the books have gone to paste, a squirt of Lemon.. thinly shape your craft and get inside,

cook in the oven for 15 mins until golden brown

zorbox

Quote from: zorgon on July 17, 2016, 09:19:04 PM
So do you actually have something to contribute or do you just waste the days with silly meaningless comments?

Just askin :P

you tell me what your objective is and ill contribute, or did Karls threads magically acquire pictures all by themselves ?.. if it wasn't for mine and ArMaP's vigilance .

shame

as for the silly comments, not guilty your honour

funbox

Nice fotos of your and sister's finds.
Thanks for sharing, ArMaP.    8)

Bring it, funbox.    ;D

This is enjoyable - and it's MY thread to decide what a "silly meaningless comment" is.     :P

Quote from: thorfourwinds on July 19, 2016, 12:29:47 AM
Bring it, funbox.    ;D

This is enjoyable - and it's MY thread to decide what a "silly meaningless comment" is.     :P

im sure you weren't thinking about red rags to bulls when you created it Thor , or was that Loki tinkering with your missus's hair again ? :D

lest the Hammer falls

funbox

Yo funbox:

In case you haven't noticed, whatever I post garners attention from various entities.

Which is quite rich, considering your potential 'botness.'  :P

Shall we play a  game? (http://www.hark.com/clips/rptftxrwmn-shall-we-play-a-game)

QuoteHe believed aliens were either incapable of understanding the psychological effects of their encounters with humans or that they were a "callous, indifferent, amoral race bent solely upon gratifying its own scientific needs at whatever cost to us."

Somewhere way back in the veiled past, I seem to remember this person as a friend of my father, something to do with Intruders... and the book my father published.  LOL

now, that's a Foundation (https://web.archive.org/web/20120418083558/http://www.intrudersfoundation.org/) to build on.

Speaking of foundations: OAHSPE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QwJWsz09s4)

And i agree with robomont: You are a wordsmith.

I like that.

Quote from: thorfourwinds on July 19, 2016, 01:28:14 AM
Yo funbox:

before we continue can you just make a quick verification?

(http://i.imgur.com/wgfCKw6.gif)

funbox

Quoteand it's MY thread to decide what a "silly meaningless comment" is.     :P

OH!  8)
i didn't know you got to be king of  whatever threads that you start..
thanks for the info thor

Quote from: space otter on July 19, 2016, 04:42:58 AM

OH!  8)
i didn't know you got to be king of  whatever threads that you start..
thanks for the info thor

Just taking the lead from you, O Queen.    :-*

Poking the bot is fun!

Quote from: thorfourwinds on July 19, 2016, 01:28:14 AM


Shall we play a  game? (http://www.hark.com/clips/rptftxrwmn-shall-we-play-a-game)



Somewhere way back in the veiled past, I seem to remember this person as a friend of my father, something to do with Intruders... and the book my father published.  LOL

now, that's a Foundation (https://web.archive.org/web/20120418083558/http://www.intrudersfoundation.org/) to build on.

Speaking of foundations: OAHSPE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QwJWsz09s4)

did I win ?

QuoteSpeaking of foundations: OAHSPE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QwJWsz09s4)

hmm what is this ? *sniff sniff*
funbox

QuoteJust taking the lead from you, O Queen.    :-*

Poking the bot is fun!

queen, huh?
it's goddess to you, bub..lol  ;)

and why bother to poke..ignore it and it will leave
they wilt without attention and constant stroking

Quote from: space otter on July 20, 2016, 04:36:29 AM


queen, huh?
it's goddess to you, bub..lol  ;)

and why bother to poke..ignore it and it will leave
they wilt without attention and constant stroking

hmm , sounds like you're experienced in the hand job arena,, I didn't know otters had a sex trade  ..
ill bet the charges are astronomical though..?

teeheebox

Hand job? That will give me paws to consider.    ???

HAH
that meant stroking of the ego.. obviously the largest part of your anatomy
bhahahahahahahaha


or i guess if you want to be vulgar it
could meant  u r a prick
but that wouldn't be nice  would it
and i'm always nice

bwhahahahahahahahahahah

Quote from: thorfourwinds on July 20, 2016, 02:57:13 PM
Hand job? That will give me paws to consider.    ???

ah never mind , pulled pork is  becoming quite popular these days  :D

(http://kevinandamanda.com/recipes/images/spicy-savory-pulled-pork/spicy-pulled-pork-21.jpg)

get your love mittens round that, wouldn't want to mess up the claws :D

funbox

Quote from: space otter on July 20, 2016, 03:14:06 PM

HAH
that meant stroking of the ego.. obviously the largest part of your anatomy
bhahahahahahahaha


or i guess if you want to be vulgar it
could meant  u r a prick
but that wouldn't be nice  would it
and i'm always nice


bwhahahahahahahahahahah

*a small French looking mfb hangs up a few cloves of garlic*

is it vampire season? come take a bite if you can handle, but be warned .. my blood is infectious :D

funbox