http://www.floridatoday.com/story/tech/science/space/spacex/2016/09/01/explosion-reported-spacex-pad/89710076/
This was a test fire of the rockets 9 Merlin engines and for some reason it blew up on the pad. SpaceX will most certainly be evaluating what went wrong. The payload was also destroyed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEPcb-FpEcc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEPcb-FpEcc)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSPgz4CLUtE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSPgz4CLUtE)
http://www.rt.com/usa/357893-spacex-explosion-platform-launch/ (http://www.rt.com/usa/357893-spacex-explosion-platform-launch/)
Payload was Facebook satellite.
http://space.brevardtimes.com/2016/09/video-spacex-rocket-explosion-on-launch.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BgJEXQkjNQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BgJEXQkjNQ)
As it happens.....
That's the Mar's mission another five years away lol
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1135027/pg1
Aliens blew it up, apparently!
Something like this came up on liveleak.com
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ce7_1472848538
It was claimed to have an object fly past the spacecraft.
Our local news is telling us that the FAA is going to investigate the issue with the rocket. Maybe some crazy nut flew a small drone into the area with a laser and caused the issue...who knows...just wild speculation on my part.
Quote from: Eighthman on September 03, 2016, 02:42:11 AM
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1135027/pg1
Aliens blew it up, apparently!
Not if the UFO wasn't an alien one. :)
It looks like "The satellite "[incorporated] new technologies that represent a significant leap forward in the capabilities of IAI and the state of Israel in space," according to IAI's president and chief executive, Joseph Weiss"
It was during fuel loading that the fire started. Does anyone have any information on what the "anomaly" that caused the fire was?
Possibly sabotage. I thought the thing flying past was just a bird when I first saw it. If it wasn't a bird the military will cover it up as they can't admit airspace was breached somewhere that sensitive.
" 'That bug is at least going 3,600mph minimum. Its not a bird, its an Alien with a laser that destroyed the rocket.' " http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3771601/Conspiracy-theorists-claim-ALIENS-sabotaged-SpaceX-launch-bizarre-theory-says-anomaly-flew-rocket-went-flames.html
The above statement is made up nonsense. You have to know what distance from the camera the object is to know its speed.
The object looks like a large bird, and there are many there.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/SpaceX1.gif)
Quote from: ArMaP on September 03, 2016, 05:20:25 PM
The object looks like a large bird, and there are many there.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/SpaceX1.gif)
The Cape is right next to a wildlife sanctuary and you are right....many birds and assorted creatures roam.
Quote from: ArMaP on September 03, 2016, 05:20:25 PM
The object looks like a large bird, and there are many there.
I agree mate. Not sure what that nonsense on ATS about it being a UFO is all about.
My opinion is a large bird and the video looks like a bird flapping it's wings.....
The UFO is obviously a bird... people are getting STUPID these days :P
After all these years of space flight we still are testing and exploding rockets... and you tell me they went to the moon?
::)
What I want to know is what were all the small explosions that kept going after the first one? What was that thing carrying? Rocket blows up once... it doesn't make a long series of small explosions
8)
Is that video footage taken from the actual original video ?
If so How did you manage to zoom in on it ?
Upon watching another video version...
It showed what ever the object was to be passing the Closer tower to the Rockets right hand side and it was on level with the tower about a second prior to being on level with the Rocket ...
It would be ok if we could estimate the distance between the Rocket and the right side towers and maybe then to be able to try to estimate the speed..
On the video... the height of the Rocket seemed about the same distance to the 2nd further away tower on the right..
but I don't think that the distances from the Camera to the towers and the rocket are on the same level...
so it maybe impossible to gauge the real distances.
Does the object appear to be moving quicker than we would expect a bird to be flying ?
The Rocket exploded just before the object was on level with it..
It was rather a coincidence if it is a bird to just be passing at that exact time..
and the Rocket exploded at a higher stage level..not from the lower level..
There are suggestions that the Rocket was carrying something and that what ever the object was ...did not want it to be allowed to take off..
but if it had say been some sort of Nuke...it may seem also dangerous to make the rocket explode...
The magnified video does seem maybe like a bird, but It is not really greatly clear to be certain what it is..
Quote from: ArMaP on September 03, 2016, 05:20:25 PM
The object looks like a large bird, and there are many there.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/SpaceX1.gif)
The rocket was carrying or due to carry an Israeli satellite. It was going to be used by a telecom company and Facebook. It was also built by an Israeli contractor who make devices that could be used for intelligence work so that would be another use.
I think we can safely say that the explosion was caused by something catching fire or exploding on the launch tower. They were fuelling up when the fire started. It could easily be sabotage as it is unlikely that the would have flames or high voltages near the oxygen tank for obvious reasons.
The stated reason for the explosionS was an "anomaly" on the launch pad. That means they don't know what it was or aren't going to tell us. :)
Quote from: zorgon on September 04, 2016, 01:20:41 PM
After all these years of space flight we still are testing and exploding rockets... and you tell me they went to the moon?
SpaceX never went to the Moon.
Quote from: zorgon on September 04, 2016, 01:20:41 PM
The UFO is obviously a bird... people are getting STUPID these days :P
You noticed? :o
So, you back then? We need more activity on here of the kingly variety. :)
Quote from: astr0144 on September 04, 2016, 01:56:30 PM
Is that video footage taken from the actual original video ?
The animated GIF was made with frames from the video below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BgJEXQkjNQ
QuoteIf so How did you manage to zoom in on it ?
No zoom, I downloaded the highest resolution version and captured some frames from it.
QuoteIt would be ok if we could estimate the distance between the Rocket and the right side towers and maybe then to be able to try to estimate the speed..
For that we need to know the distance between the object and the towers or some other reference that gives us a distance between the object and the camera, without any reference we can only know that the object travelled the distance corresponding to the angle of the field of view of the camera.
Quotebut I don't think that the distances from the Camera to the towers and the rocket are on the same level...
so it maybe impossible to gauge the real distances.
It is impossible to know the distance from the camera to the object, the distance to the towers is irrelevant, as we don't have any frame that shows the object in front or behind one of the towers.
QuoteDoes the object appear to be moving quicker than we would expect a bird to be flying ?
Impossible to say without knowing the distance between the object and the camera, but it sure is possible that it was a bird.
QuoteThe Rocket exploded just before the object was on level with it..
It was rather a coincidence if it is a bird to just be passing at that exact time..
Coincidences do exist, and in a place where there are many birds it's not hard to happen. If you look carefully you can see two other occasions (at least) on that video when we can see birds flying, both from left to right and from right to left.
Quoteand the Rocket exploded at a higher stage level..not from the lower level..
Yes, that's the strangest part.
Edited to add that I could find 5 occasions in the video when we can see what looks like birds, including the "object".
Quote from: Pimander on September 04, 2016, 05:31:50 PM
Did Apollo 11? :P
They have pictures, so it did happen. ;)
Although we don't know the distance between the object and the camera we have one clue: the light from the initial explosion.
In the first image below we can see that there are no signs of any extra light, as expected just before the explosion.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/SpaceX_6.jpg)
In the following frame we can see the start of the explosion and that the explosion is illuminating the rightmost tower.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/SpaceX_7.jpg)
As you can see there are no signs of that light on the object, as would be expected if the object was flying in the direction of the rocket.
On the third frame we can see more light on the rightmost tower and still no light on the object.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/SpaceX_8.jpg)
Same thing on the fourth frame.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/SpaceX_9.jpg)
And on the fifth. Maybe there's a little light there, but I'm not sure.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/SpaceX_10.jpg)
On the sixth frame we can see some light on the object, when it's closer to a direct path between the camera and the light of the explosion, as expected from an object that was flying between the camera and the rocket.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/SpaceX_11.jpg)
On the seventh frame it appears to be a little light coming from the explosion.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/SpaceX_12.jpg)
Back to no extra light on the object on the eight frame.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/SpaceX_13.jpg)
So, although we don't know the distance from the camera to the object, it does look like the object was somewhere between the camera and the rocket.
Quote from: zorgon on September 04, 2016, 01:20:41 PM
The UFO is obviously a bird... people are getting STUPID these days :P
After all these years of space flight we still are testing and exploding rockets... and you tell me they went to the moon?
::)
What I want to know is what were all the small explosions that kept going after the first one? What was that thing carrying? Rocket blows up once... it doesn't make a long series of small explosions
8)
The smaller explosions were partly from the satellite fuel for their maneuvering thrusters, then you have explosive bolts for separation of stages, 9 Merlin engines fed by liquid fuel ( which allowed for controlled descent of the first stage back to landing). The explosion originated near a fueling area for the upper stage.
The satellite was a Facebook satellite to bring internet to Northern Africa.
Quote from: ArMaP on September 04, 2016, 05:44:34 PM
It is impossible to know the distance from the camera to the object, the distance to the towers is irrelevant, as we don't have any frame that shows the object in front or behind one of the towers.
You need stereo cameras for that.
QuoteYes, that's the strangest part.
They were filling the tank where the fire started so it isn't that strange. The question is what started the fire.
Quote from: spacemaverick on September 04, 2016, 06:36:46 PM
The satellite was a Facebook satellite to bring internet to Northern Africa.
It could well have had applications for other stuff. The contractor makes comms devices for the military and intelligence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rRDpX9F5U8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rRDpX9F5U8)
Another new video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BgJEXQkjNQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BgJEXQkjNQ)
Another......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye0EOENUw0c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye0EOENUw0c)
Explanation as to the fuel on board...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi_watazHJU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi_watazHJU)
Well this has some extra outside of the launch....what is it?
Merlin engine design....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVQyZn-VtXU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVQyZn-VtXU)
By the man in charge of propulsion...
Quote from: spacemaverick on September 04, 2016, 08:55:51 PM
Well this has some extra outside of the launch....what is it?
I see a flash if light to the left of the rocket just before the explosion.
Quote from: Pimander on September 04, 2016, 09:28:01 PM
I see a flash if light to the left of the rocket just before the explosion.
On that last video? At what time?
This was posted on the National UFO Reporting Center
Cape Canaveral, Florida, September 01st, 2016, @ 0907 HRS. (EDT)—The Space X second stage missile caught fire and exploded, just as a very peculiar object, captured on video, is seen to move through the launch area. At this writing, not much is known about the fast-moving object, but it appears to be very peculiar, and highly anomalous. It was first called to our attention yesterday, Thursday, September 01st, by a professional driver in Florida, who was carefully reviewing a CNN video in slow motion, and noticed the object streaking across the screen. We provide below one of the still freeze-frame images he forwarded to our Center.
In addition, we provide below some preliminary analysis, provided to us by Mr. Gene Weed, who has reported that the object in the version of the video footage he has witnessed appears to be a solid, dimensional object. His comments and illustrations appear below:
((BEGIN COPIED COMMENTS AND ILLUSTRATIONS FROM MR. GENE WEED))
Peter,
SpaceX film, see link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arIc1NlHvV0
PHOTO ANALYSIS:
Solid rounded rectangular object, with dark energy bands under the object. Study it carefully, and you can see it is a solid object above the dark bands.
notes
It is noteworthy to mention, that the object was observed flying away to the right after the explosion, in later frames. The publisher missed it.
I have witnessed these and photographed them in Yuma, AZ in the 60-'s
Identical.
http://www.nuforc.org/
I apologize , I can not post pictures.
PHOTO ANALYSIS:
Solid rounded rectangular object, with dark energy bands under the object. Study it carefully, and you can see it is a solid object above the dark bands.
notes
It is noteworthy to mention, that the object was observed flying away to the right after the explosion, in later frames. The publisher missed it.
I have witnessed these and photographed them in Yuma, AZ in the 60-'s
Identical.
Below is the objects frequency bands, that show it is a read object.
Best,
Gene Weed
((END COPIED COMMENTS BY MR. GENE WEED))
We will post again, following the Labor Day weekend.
Statement posted to NUFORC website on Friday evening, September 02, 2016.
The photo analysis (if correct) , does not look bird-like to me. Not sure about the other things he saying?
So okay...
WHY are Aliens shooting down only the occasional rockets? :P
Seems to me more likely that the engineers are sloppy
Quote from: ArMaP on September 04, 2016, 10:06:57 PM
On that last video? At what time?
On the last one before the Merlin video. Just before 9 seconds. Near the top of the rocket to the left more than the width of the rocket away from the rocket.
On second look, I see a few small flashes on other parts of the video. It is probably just the video is poor quality.
is it me or has the video been slowed down from its original speed ?
funbox
Quote from: Phedre on September 04, 2016, 10:56:48 PM
The photo analysis (if correct) , does not look bird-like to me. Not sure about the other things he saying?
Are you talking about the analysis of this photo from NUFORC?
(http://www.nuforc.org/index_files/image004.gif)
QuoteCape Canaveral, Florida, September 01st, 2016, @ 0907 HRS. (EDT)—The Space X second stage missile caught fire and exploded, just as a very peculiar object, captured on video, is seen to move through the launch area. At this writing, not much is known about the fast-moving object, but it appears to be very peculiar, and highly anomalous. It was first called to our attention yesterday, Thursday, September 01st, by a professional driver in Florida, who was carefully reviewing a CNN video in slow motion, and noticed the object streaking across the screen. We provide below one of the still freeze-frame images he forwarded to our Center.
In addition, we provide below some preliminary analysis, provided to us by Mr. Gene Weed, who has reported that the object in the version of the video footage he has witnessed appears to be a solid, dimensional object. His comments and illustrations appear below:
((BEGIN COPIED COMMENTS AND ILLUSTRATIONS FROM MR. GENE WEED))
Peter,
SpaceX film, see link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arIc1NlHvV0
PHOTO ANALYSIS:
Solid rounded rectangular object, with dark energy bands under the object. Study it carefully, and you can see it is a solid object above the dark bands.
notes
It is noteworthy to mention, that the object was observed flying away to the right after the explosion, in later frames. The publisher missed it.
I have witnessed these and photographed them in Yuma, AZ in the 60-'s
Identical.
http://www.nuforc.org/
It looks like a blur. LOL
Is that NOFORC's best shot at identifying the bird? ::)
Quote from: zorgon on September 04, 2016, 11:27:38 PM
Seems to me more likely that the engineers are sloppy
Deliberately to sabotage the launch! Yes I'm speculating. :)
Come on Z, they must have everything earthed. How the f@ck did it ignite?
Quote from: Pimander on September 04, 2016, 11:39:41 PM
Deliberately to sabotage the launch! Yes I'm speculating. :)
Come on Z, they must have everything earthed. How the f@ck did it ignite?
is there an Angry Bird that defecates fire ,, cause that one that flew just after the explosion must have later died of experience overload, or diarrhea
funbox
im not saying it was Angry Birdstm but it was Angry Birdstm
besides , didn't someone say there was a nature reserve nearby .. great place to build a launch pad for space rockets , nature must be whooping with joy :D
funbox
Quote from: Phedre on September 04, 2016, 10:56:48 PM
The photo analysis (if correct) , does not look bird-like to me. Not sure about the other things he saying?
The "analysis" is not that correct, as the object doesn't show just one shape, as you can see in the animated GIF below.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/SpaceX1.gif)
It could be a drone with flapping wings. ;D
Quote from: funbox on September 04, 2016, 11:46:54 PM
im not saying it was Angry Birdstm but it was Angry Birdstm
besides , didn't someone say there was a nature reserve nearby .. great place to build a launch pad for space rockets , nature must be whooping with joy :D
funbox
There is a wildlife preserve right next to the space center.....I first moved there in 1964, stayed until 1970, moved back in 1987 and have been in this county where the Cape is since 1987. We have Osprey, hawks, pelicans, egrets and many other species that have been around for years. I grew up here on the Space Coast. Space X has had 18 successful flights and had some failures. Early on in this thread a blurred close up video was given and it looked like a bird flapping it's wings. The ufo thing was started when a welder that works out there mentioned he saw some objects come into the range area. This cannot be confirmed but has produced much speculation in the UFO community. Nothing has come up in the public media here in Brevard County.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BgJEXQkjNQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BgJEXQkjNQ)
Look at this one and you see birds all over and can even here them....it's even more clear when you go to Youtube and watch it...
Quote from: Pimander on September 04, 2016, 11:39:41 PM
Deliberately to sabotage the launch! Yes I'm speculating. :)
Come on Z, they must have everything earthed. How the f@ck did it ignite?
O-RINGS,LMAO!
hey space maverick,is beth your wife?
Quote from: Pimander on September 04, 2016, 11:39:41 PM
Come on Z, they must have everything earthed. How the f@ck did it ignite?
Spontanius Combustion :P
Happens all the time :P They really are not that great rocket scientists :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSr4hUcROwo
TRUST NASA to get you to the MOON :P well maybe not :P This is the new moon lander Thought they already did this??
No?
Sounds like it is crying :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM1wjs5nWXQ
Seems Russians are having the same problems :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfUOJ1uYJUo
I gues "Rocket Science" isn't such a great field :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9EnUQltR9A
So stop blaming Aliens for mankinds miserable failure at getting us into space, 60 plus years since the NAZI made the first rockets and we are still blowing them up...
The Aliens are laughing their ass of at us (if they have an ass :P )
Quote from: zorgon on September 05, 2016, 01:17:23 PM
The Aliens are laughing their ass of at us (if they have an ass :P )
David icke says they do. Apparently they are green scaly shape shifting asses to be precise! :o 8)
I still suspect sabotage but I don't think we'll find out about it.
Quote from: zorgon on September 05, 2016, 01:17:23 PM
So stop blaming Aliens for mankinds miserable failure at getting us into space, 60 plus years since the NAZI made the first rockets and we are still blowing them up...
Have you not seen Ancient Aliens? If you can't explain something....
(http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/bad_astronomy/2015/10/13/itsaliens.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg)
I reckon the fake bad hair is purely to make the aliens theme look as ridiculous as possible. Can't they see that the majority of the UFO community don't need and help with that. LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL7zugVZx3o
(http://littlefun.org/uploads/5276e8bbe691b23a6daec589_736.jpg)
I want abducting by the one in the middle please.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GHUQCcXGlU4/VVKq29FhewI/AAAAAAAABhk/m3haLN7bVRc/s1600/SAM_1384.JPG)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/12/cd/f1/12cdf14e2e823592ad485d13654b4f1f.jpg)
This crap happens all the time when you 'fart' your way into space.
OOOOO the aliens did it..
OOOOO it was a drone...
OOOOO it was a....????
jeessshhhh.. ::)
Quote from: zorgon on September 05, 2016, 01:06:37 PM
I gues "Rocket Science" isn't such a great field :P
It's not a field in which success is guaranteed, that's for sure, but then I suppose there isn't any field with guaranteed success.
If we look at all the rockets sent to space the failure rate is still high when compared with more common (although complex) things like airplanes, but a failure rate of 8.4% (based on the data available here (http://www.spacelaunchreport.com/logyear.html)) is still a good failure rate for something that is still a risky business.
PS: the failure rate of the last 10 years is 5.8%.
Quote from: spacemaverick on September 05, 2016, 03:25:16 AM
Nothing has come up in the public media here in Brevard County.
not even a few crispy fried egrets ? :D
ill bet there's been a few over the years , do you know if they have a policy of scaring them off, pre launch? or do they just get the obligatory countdown like everyone else ?
funbox
Quote from: ArMaP on September 05, 2016, 09:40:24 PM
If we look at all the rockets sent to space the failure rate is still high when compared with more common (although complex) things like airplanes, but a failure rate of 8.4% (based on the data available here (http://www.spacelaunchreport.com/logyear.html)) is still a good failure rate for something that is still a risky business.
Considering planes have rocket engines on board don't you think that is a bit odd?
I'm still mystified as to why the standard way of reaching orbit is launching a rocket vertically from Earth.
The most sensible way would be to have an aircraft on the back of a large payload airplane and launch from high altitude. I think Virgin tried that method but as usual anything that involves civilian space flight goes catastrophically wrong.
I am yet to have a good reason presented to me for launching in the ridiculous way they do when its safer to launch on the back of a plane.
Quote from: Pimander on September 05, 2016, 09:50:18 PM
Considering planes have rocket engines on board don't you think that is a bit odd?
I'm still mystified as to why the standard way of reaching orbit is launching a rocket vertically from Earth.
The most sensible way would be to have an aircraft on the back of a large payload airplane and launch from high altitude. I think Virgin tried that method but as usual anything that involves civilian space flight goes catastrophically wrong.
I am yet to have a good reason presented to me for launching in the ridiculous way they do when its safer to launch on the back of a plane.
I have wondered the same thing myself, at least for low orbit satellites.
Quote from: spacemaverick on September 05, 2016, 10:01:51 PM
I have wondered the same thing myself, at least for low orbit satellites.
I'd even suggest that the bigger the payload is the more stupid it is to use a rocket.
I'm completely open to the idea that there is a fact I am not aware of or a genuine technical reason why not. The costs are insane and planes are widely available.
Quote from: Pimander on September 05, 2016, 02:48:09 PM
Have you not seen Ancient Aliens? If you can't explain something....
Yes exactly. And in all these years since Roswell. we still havn't interviewed one on CNN...
Does it make sence that when you see how stupid our politicians are and inept at EVERYTHING else, that they are smart enough to cover up Aliens at a World level?
:P There are no Aliens :P
And this guys hairdo is all the rage on Centauri Prime
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0e/B5_vir.jpg)
(http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/bad_astronomy/2015/10/13/itsaliens.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg)
Quote from: Pimander on September 05, 2016, 09:50:18 PM
Considering planes have rocket engines on board don't you think that is a bit odd?
Do they? Which ones?
QuoteI'm still mystified as to why the standard way of reaching orbit is launching a rocket vertically from Earth.
The most sensible way would be to have an aircraft on the back of a large payload airplane and launch from high altitude. I think Virgin tried that method but as usual anything that involves civilian space flight goes catastrophically wrong.
If I'm not mistaken, to reach orbit any object must reach escape velocity, which, for Earth, is 11.2 km/s (around 40,000 km/h). Escape velocity changes with the mass of the planet (Earth, in this case) and the distance between its centre and the object trying to escape its gravity, so getting a ship on the back of an airplane would give it a little help, both in speed and altitude, but not by much.
PS: escape velocity is independent of the mass of the object trying to enter orbit.
Quote from: Pimander on September 05, 2016, 10:41:48 PM
I'd even suggest that the bigger the payload is the more stupid it is to use a rocket.
It looks like Elon Musk thinks the opposite, according to this (http://shitelonsays.com/transcript/elon-musk-lecture-at-the-royal-aeronautical-society-2012-11-16).
(look for the paragraph about horizontal air launches.
Quote from: ArMaP on September 06, 2016, 02:01:59 AM
It looks like Elon Musk thinks the opposite, according to this (http://poopelonsays.com/transcript/elon-musk-lecture-at-the-royal-aeronautical-society-2012-11-16).
(look for the paragraph about horizontal air launches.
This is something I'd like to take longer to look at. I think there is a lot of in the box thinking on it. A balloon can reach very high altitude on very little fuel.
We need space lifts. :)
The Pegasus is an air launched rocket. It is small payload though... http://www.astronautix.com/p/pegasus.html
(http://www.astronautix.com/graphics/p/pegaslv.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Lockheed_TriStar_launches_Pegasus_with_Space_Technology_5.jpg/800px-Lockheed_TriStar_launches_Pegasus_with_Space_Technology_5.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Pegasus_Launch_from_Dryden.jpg/481px-Pegasus_Launch_from_Dryden.jpg)
Quote from: ArMaP on September 06, 2016, 01:57:16 AM
Do they? Which ones?
If I'm not mistaken, to reach orbit any object must reach escape velocity, which, for Earth, is 11.2 km/s (around 40,000 km/h). Escape velocity changes with the mass of the planet (Earth, in this case) and the distance between its centre and the object trying to escape its gravity, so getting a ship on the back of an airplane would give it a little help, both in speed and altitude, but not by much.
PS: escape velocity is independent of the mass of the object trying to enter orbit.
DARPA thinks they can do it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLsZhxrFhYE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLsZhxrFhYE)
Using negative imaging...just get past the music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KcdvbaVRzc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KcdvbaVRzc)
Internal rupture?
Quote from: spacemaverick on September 06, 2016, 06:53:22 AM
DARPA thinks they can do it.
Or not.
DARPA Scraps Plan To Launch Small Sats from F-15 Fighter Jet - See more at: http://spacenews.com/darpa-airborne-launcher-effort-falters/#sthash.LFlvvWLI.dpuf (http://spacenews.com/darpa-airborne-launcher-effort-falters/)
How about reusable helium "tanks" to reach very high altitude safely, then fire a stage that can also land like a plane when little fuel is required to reach orbit?
Its safe and easier to use helium than oxygen tanks.
So effectively a reusable airship stage then a reusable orbiter/lander stage.
Sorry, missed that post.
Quote from: ArMaP on September 06, 2016, 01:57:16 AM
Do they? Which ones?
If I'm not mistaken, to reach orbit any object must reach escape velocity, which, for Earth, is 11.2 km/s (around 40,000 km/h)
This is what I mean about in-the-box thinking. That figure is a rocket science based idea and does not apply to higher altitude launches.
Why can't an object escape gravity at a lower speed? If you were at very high altitude launching from an airship what happens?
Quote Misconceptions
Planetary or lunar escape velocity is sometimes misunderstood to be the speed a powered vehicle (such as a rocket) must reach to leave orbit; however, this is not the case, as the quoted number is typically the surface escape velocity, and vehicles never achieve that speed direct from the surface. This surface escape velocity is the speed required for an object to leave the planet if the object is simply projected from the surface of the planet and then left without any more kinetic energy input: In practice the vehicle's propulsion system will continue to provide energy after it has left the surface.
In fact a vehicle can leave the Earth's gravity at any speed. At higher altitude, the local escape velocity is lower. But at the instant the propulsion stops, the vehicle can only escape if its speed is greater than or equal to the local escape velocity at that position. At sufficiently high altitude this speed can approach 0.
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Escape_velocity (highlights mine)
Because the gravitational pull of an object has an inverse square relationship to distance the altitude of launch has a big influence on the energy required to reach LEO.
(https://www.patana.ac.th/secondary/science/anrophysics/ntopic6/images/inv_square2.jpg)
Quote from: Pimander on September 06, 2016, 04:44:27 PM
This is what I mean about in-the-box thinking. That figure is a rocket science based idea and does not apply to higher altitude launches.
It does, you just have to use the correct distance to the centre of mass of the planet.
QuoteWhy can't an object escape gravity at a lower speed?
It can.
QuoteAt sufficiently high altitude this speed can approach 0
Yes, but how high is that altitude?
We can use the formula posted on that site to make the calculations.
(https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/2099aafb5cb663294ee9c2f6b3854e94cfd7af4b)
At the Earth's surface:
Universal gravitational constant - G=6.67×10
?11 m
3 kg
?1 s
?2Planet's mass - M=5.97237×10
24 kg
Radius of the planet - r=6,371.0 km
v
e=11182.72 m/s = 11.182 km/s
At 10 km from above Earth's surface we add 10 km to r and we get:
v
e=11173.95 m/s = 11.173 km/s
At 1.000 km from above Earth's surface we add 1.000 km to r and we get:
v
e=10396.52 m/s = 10.396 km/s
At 10.000 km from above Earth's surface we add 10.000 km to r and we get:
v
e=6976.11 m/s = 6.976 km/s
At 1.000.000.000 km from above Earth's surface we add 1.000.000.000 km to r and we get:
v
e=889.75 m/s = 0.889 km/s = 3200 km/h
That last velocity is much better, but how do we get the ship up to 1.000.000.000 km? :)
Quote from: ArMaP on September 06, 2016, 09:38:40 PM
That last velocity is much better, but how do we get the ship up to 1.000.000.000 km? :)
It isn't that simple. You need less fuel to escape at high altitude because you don't need huge fuel tanks to get up there of course and you don't have to travel as far. That is why the largest tank is jettisoned inside the atmosphere on the shuttle surely. :)
Furthermore, there is very little resistance from the atmosphere to acceleration at high altitudes.
You can also accelerate horizontally first from very high altitude so you don't have to fight gravity to reach high velocity which, again, reduces the fuel requirement. :)
Quote from: Pimander on September 07, 2016, 12:10:46 AM
You need less fuel to escape at high altitude because you don't need huge fuel tanks to get up there of course and you don't have to travel as far. That is why the largest tank is jettisoned inside the atmosphere on the shuttle surely. :)
True, but that doesn't change the escape velocity.
QuoteFurthermore, there is very little resistance from the atmosphere to acceleration at high altitudes.
See above. :)
Quote from: Pimander on September 07, 2016, 12:39:29 AM
You can also accelerate horizontally first from very high altitude so you don't have to fight gravity to reach high velocity which, again, reduces the fuel requirement. :)
See the first part of my previous post. :)
Quote from: Pimander on September 07, 2016, 12:39:29 AM
You can also accelerate horizontally first from very high altitude so you don't have to fight gravity to reach high velocity which, again, reduces the fuel requirement. :)
WHY...
...can't they just use the Anti gravity tech we know they have from the Aloiens?
:o
::)
That was funny Zorgon.....I haven't seen any anti-gravity saucers or anything like that...heard a lot of speculation. I know we have the black projects but we are still messing with rockets. I find that we are still in low earth orbit. I would like to think we have gone far beyond rockets but alas anti-gravity seems so far away. Maybe I have become a skeptic over time. We seem to have departed from wondering what was behind the explosion. I don't think it was a UFO due to the one picture or should I say video that was shown up close where I saw wings flapping. In the negative image I saw what appeared to be a change in the rocket skin and I suspect a ruptured coupling.....the area is right next to a wildlife refuge believe it or not and we have many large birds here.
Quote from: ArMaP on September 07, 2016, 01:07:00 AM
See the first part of my previous post. :)
Do you think its a bad idea to launch from high altitude after lifting with helium then? I genuinely thin the idea is a good one. :)
Quote from: zorgon on September 07, 2016, 02:01:14 AM
WHY...
...can't they just use the Anti gravity tech we know they have from the Aloiens?
Gravitic doesn't necessarily imply anti-gravity. :P
Apparently it would take an act of God to get that one out of the bag. It nearly destroyed our site/group last time we even considered it. ;D
Quote from: spacemaverick on September 07, 2016, 02:35:56 AM
I know we have the black projects but we are still messing with rockets. I find that we are still in low earth orbit. I would like to think we have gone far beyond rockets but alas anti-gravity seems so far away.
As Ben Rich said, who developed the stealth aircraft back in 1993 in the presence of two friends of mine: "We now have the technology to go to the stars". And that was back in 1993.' When Mr Good was asked to elaborate on where this technology came from, he replied: 'Alien crafts. The study of alien crafts that have been recovered and by liaising with actual aliens who have helped us develop this technology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ABen_Rich
True? Why would he lie when he was about to die?
Quote from: Pimander on September 07, 2016, 02:53:16 AM
As Ben Rich said, who developed the stealth aircraft back in 1993 in the presence of two friends of mine: "We now have the technology to go to the stars". And that was back in 1993.' When Mr Good was asked to elaborate on where this technology came from, he replied: 'Alien crafts. The study of alien crafts that have been recovered and by liaising with actual aliens who have helped us develop this technology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ABen_Rich
True? Why would he lie when he was about to die?
I remember the statement but the statement by itself is not proof and the single source does not make what was said totally reliable. We just take it on his word? He may be a great man and inventor but it is a single source...I guess I have returned to be a skeptic.
It all comes back to the question. Were downed craft recovered by the military? Are the suspicions that Batelle and other private companies the recipients of that technology? Are the many witness claims on this (and there are so many) that craft were studied.
Entire books full of witness statements (e.g. Haut affidavit, Jesse Marcell) surrounding the Roswell incident. How do we explain them. Occam's razor?
An equally difficult question to answer is this. If there were no craft and the reports are part of a disinformation program, why was the lie continued into the 1990s (at least) by so many members of the military industrial complex and also military intelligence? Surely important members of the military intelligence community, many of high standing, would not want to risk their reputation and credibility if the story was nonsense.
I just don't know the answers but I think there is a much better potential movie, documentary and book on this as I know A51Watcher will agree. We have the skeleton for the book already. If I had not been swamped by life events you'd all have read it by now. :)
Quote from: Pimander on September 07, 2016, 12:52:35 PM
I just don't know the answers but I think there is a much better potential movie, documentary and book on this as I know A51Watcher will agree. We have the skeleton for the book already. If I had not been swamped by life events you'd all have read it by now. :)
pegasus was set up to seek the true answers and we get little response and even less cash for the effort :P
Steven Greer, a known Charlatan however can put up a Kickstarter campaign and raise 50,000 from a little over 650 supportes and make a Bullsh!t movie.
Pegasus has over 35,000 unique hits on the website every month and I can't even get a decent beer tip (save a small few kind souls :D)
So I have come to the conclusion that TRUTH is of no value while BULLSH!T sells for big bucks
Anyone in the Market for some Rich MANURE?
Successfully raised $50,981 with 664 backers (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/261360616/sirius) ::)
BTW I have an interesting Time Portal story to go with that Greer announcement I will make a thread tomorrow
Quote from: Pimander on September 07, 2016, 02:49:49 AM
Do you think its a bad idea to launch from high altitude after lifting with helium then? I genuinely thin the idea is a good one. :)
It's not a bad idea, but I think it's too limited, because of how much weight it can lift, the altitude it can reach and what can be gained by that.
Quote from: Pimander on September 07, 2016, 02:53:16 AM
Why would he lie when he was about to die?
Because he could. :)
A man my father knew, when he died, gathered all his sons around his death bed and "gave" each of his sons things that weren't his, like saying that the oldest on would get the lands of the richest man in the village and things like that.
Quote from: spacemaverick on September 07, 2016, 07:33:03 AM
.I guess I have returned to be a skeptic.
Me too :P After years of searching and uncovering militray stuff, I have found that all the best UFO stuff and the best whistle blowers have turned out to be dead ends if not downright fake.
I can access tons of military files on all kinds of projects but there isn't one tiny hint or leak anywhere that we actually have Alien tech, Anti Gravity or Free Energy... if we did the Military would be using it, not making jet fuel out of seawater :P
So yeah I think I wasted 10 years of my life on this :P
Quote from: Pimander on September 07, 2016, 02:53:16 AM
Why would he lie when he was about to die?
Quote from: ArMaP on September 07, 2016, 01:46:51 PM
Because he could. :)
The problem here is that Ben Rich DID NOT SAY THAT on his death bed confession... that statement was made at his Alumni speech at his old colledge. There was a tape of it but that tape is long gone.
THIS is how UFO info gets twisted and distorted and eventually becomes buried in BS ten miles thick.
Any SIMPLE research will show that when that speech first came online it was way back almost at the start of the internet when green text on black screen was still the norm
THIS is why I am sure I have wasted my time :P This was covered a long time ago at ATS
RENSE.COM
Ben Rich, stated during a 1993, Alumni Speech at UCLA, "We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an Act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity...Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do."
http://www.rense.com/general79/among.htm
Quote from: zorgon on September 07, 2016, 02:04:47 PM
THIS is why I am sure I have wasted my time :P This was covered a long time ago at ATS
RENSE.COM
Ben Rich, stated during a 1993, Alumni Speech at UCLA,
"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an Act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity...Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do."
http://www.rense.com/general79/among.htm
seems like the only traces left are amongst the test public and cows ,horses, sheep etc, all of which are intimidator evidences, those to scare and say whose boss
and you wonder why you cant find nothing solid .. says a lot about with what you're dealing with..
funbox
Quote from: funbox on September 07, 2016, 02:10:17 PM
and you wonder why you cant find nothing solid .. says a lot about with what you're dealing with..
No I don't wonder at all. :P Its like with electrogarvitics... the Military has but a mere footnote that it was an interesting study that was a dead end... yet many are still flooging that dead horse.
I can't find anything solid because there is nothing solid to find :P Simple as that.
Look around you at the politicians of the world. Do you really think ALL of them are smart enough to keep this under wraps? Look at how easily Ed Snowden leaked the NSA stuff It only takes ONE person to leak something... anything... one small paper, one small piece of alien craft but all these years and all we have is the same old stories rehashed and find that a lot of what we thought was good material was faked (like the Begian triangle UFO photo)
So there is nothing to find because there is nothing there
Oh yeah? prove me wrong then Show me the Aliens :P
Quote from: spacemaverick on September 07, 2016, 07:33:03 AM
I remember the statement but the statement by itself is not proof and the single source does not make what was said totally reliable.
I agree. It doesn't make it a lie either.
Quote from: ArMaP on September 07, 2016, 01:46:51 PM
Because he could. :)
But some "witnesses" had reason not to.
Quote from: zorgon on September 07, 2016, 01:56:03 PM
So yeah I think I wasted 10 years of my life on this :P
Perhaps not.
It is a well known strategy to discredit a story. Arrange for people make claims about a TRUE STORY, who can be easily discredited. Arrange for outrageous claims to be made that discredit a TRUE STORY. You get the idea. Some of the disclosure project witnesses could have been deliberately discrediting their testimony in my opinion.
Another problem is the obvious BS that New Agers types and also the UFO community have mindlessly accepted. But if that was part of or useful to a strategy to cover up real material then it worked.
I'd agree that most of the whistle blowers were fakers. I am sceptical of the claim that they all were. If anything, I'd focus on the ones whose claim does not follow the standard line.
ETA: But time is the killer. I just can't justify killing all my time with hard work studying this when I could win a friging Nobel Prize in science if I get my head down and my health doesn't fail me again. That would pay the bills and give me the credibility to have my voice heard (however unlikely it might seem). That's why my projects with A51 and the database project with ArMaP stalled. What do I do with my time?
No one gives a sh!t about TRUTH I have spent some time at Facebook testing it out. They unfriend you and call you disinfo agent the minute you try to mess with their favorite pet belief.
So I give up.... going back to focus on the website with material that I can find hard facts on. After all that is what got me where I am today in the first place.
Now if everyone of those 35,000ish unique monthly visitors would send in just $1.00 once a year (that is .69 cents after Paypal takes their cut) all my problems would be gone :P
It really is that simple on the bottom line.
My time would be better spent posting rocks for sale on Ebay :P
Asking $14,000.00 for this one :P Its so rare even the Royal Ontario Museum only has a small specimen :D
Ferri-fluoro-katophorite
This is classified as a new species and specimens are very rare. We found several nice pieces years ago before it was identified. Former name was Fluoro Magnesio Kataphorite, the official name is now Ferri-fluoro-katophorite. Details are available here at Mindat. org. This is one of the largest specimens I have seen. A real museum piece
Location:
Bear Lake diggings, Monmouth Township, Haliburton Co., Ontario, Canada
Dimensions: 18" x 10" x 10"
Weight: Approx 40 lbs
(http://landoflegendslv.com/00shoppes/03Legends/04images/Ferri_Fluoro/Ferri_Fluoro_Katophorite_005b.png)
Or how about a nice DINOSAUR EGG?
Not sure what to list that one at yet :D
ML-044
Mamenchisaurus Egg Fossil
Mamenchisaurus was a plant-eating four-legged dinosaur, known for its remarkably long neck which made up half its total length. It is known from numerous species which ranged in time from 160 to 145 million years ago, from the Oxfordian to Tithonian ages of the late Jurassic Period of China. For a long time these were classified as "Brontosaurus"
Location:
Yangtze River, near Yibin (??) in Sichuan Province of China
Dimensions: 7" x 6" x 4"
Weight 5 lbs 5oz
(http://landoflegendslv.com/00shoppes/03Legends/04images/Fossils/Dino_Egg_01a.png)
Quote from: zorgon on September 07, 2016, 02:15:57 PM
No I don't wonder at all. :P Its like with electrogarvitics... the Military has but a mere footnote that it was an interesting study that was a dead end... yet many are still flooging that dead horse.
you don't wonder about the potential of the intelligences outside our sphere of knowledge? you must be the only one then :D
QuoteI can't find anything solid because there is nothing solid to find :P Simple as that.
testimony again to the almost absolute control that these intelligences have.
if they have the ability to tinker and infiltrate our nuclear arsenal, what other things do they have the power to control
as a lab techie with his antfarm..
QuoteLook around you at the politicians of the world. Do you really think ALL of them are smart enough to keep this under wraps? Look at how easily Ed Snowden leaked the NSA stuff It only takes ONE person to leak something... anything... one small paper, one small piece of alien craft but all these years and all we have is the same old stories rehashed and find that a lot of what we thought was good material was faked (like the Begian triangle UFO photo)
the politicians of the world are mostly puppets, serving organisations that have plans that last longer than a term of publicly elected government , these people know nothing,.. yes your seeing the plausible deniability in it all , mix as much crap, let it all be fluid diarrhea, un-see able, unquantifiable , just the evidence of this happening in as many part's of the subject you wish to choose, is indicative of something to hide, especially when it come from so called officialdom.
QuoteSo there is nothing to find because there is nothing there
how very 16th century :D
QuoteOh yeah? prove me wrong then Show me the Aliens :P
take a look in the mirror
funbox
My interpretation..
This is the long version.... If you pay attention to everything but the rocket blowing up you can hear and see numerous birds.
It is my contention that the item everyone is calling a UFO or Drone is simple a bird....
https://youtu.be/oEKsnuGVHts
https://youtu.be/2PO-9y-pvYo
Can't post videos like I used to... :-\
edit: replaced the last video with one uploaded to Youtube...hope it works better....
Quote from: zorgon on September 07, 2016, 01:40:22 PM
pegasus was set up to seek the true answers and we get little response and even less cash for the effort :P
Steven Greer, a known Charlatan however can put up a Kickstarter campaign and raise 50,000 from a little over 650 supportes and make a Bullsh!t movie.
Pegasus has over 35,000 unique hits on the website every month and I can't even get a decent beer tip (save a small few kind souls :D)
So I have come to the conclusion that TRUTH is of no value while BULLSH!T sells for big bucks
Anyone in the Market for some Rich MANURE?
Successfully raised $50,981 with 664 backers (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/261360616/sirius)
::)
So I have come to the conclusion that TRUTH is of no value while BULLSH!T sells for big bucksIt is sad that this happens...there are places on the web that seemed to have put out the truth and then they go off on some tangent just to make money. It seems most people want their ears tickled instead of hearing the truth. Sometimes things are what they seem and we try and find something else. Just my humble opinion....
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on September 07, 2016, 04:08:38 PM
My interpretation..
This is the long version.... If you pay attention to everything but the rocket blowing up you can hear and see numerous birds.
It is my contention that the item everyone is calling a UFO or Drone is simple a bird....
https://youtu.be/oEKsnuGVHts
https://youtu.be/2PO-9y-pvYo
Can't post videos like I used to... :-\
I'm with you Sarge...I live in this area and the Cape is right next to a wildlife sanctuary which contains many species of birds both large and small....
Quote from: Pimander on September 07, 2016, 12:52:35 PM
An equally difficult question to answer is this. If there were no craft and the reports are part of a disinformation program, why was the lie continued into the 1990s (at least) by so many members of the military industrial complex and also military intelligence?
Probably because the reason for the disinformation is still active. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on September 07, 2016, 08:10:24 PM
Probably because the reason for the disinformation is still active. :)
so you admit that there maybe something being hidden?
*that same cheeky mfb try's to play the same trick twice...and succeeds *
(http://i.imgur.com/0xwZMeE.gif)
I rolled three sixes too ..thriceee !
rockBox
Quote from: ArMaP on September 07, 2016, 08:10:24 PM
Probably because the reason for the disinformation is still active. :)
feel free to roll the
(http://i.imgur.com/jttoVTb.gif)
card , if you feel that there is no alien influence at all :D
funbox
Quote from: funbox on September 08, 2016, 12:46:46 AM
feel free to roll the
card , if you feel that there is no alien influence at all :D
funbox
I think, if anything more than just a simple failure, i would bet something along sabotage.
So, with your permission Mr. Funbox, may I?
(http://i.imgur.com/jttoVTb.gif)
Oh, and I know there's intelligent life other than only us in the universe we live in. But as the cause for this case, not this time, not this time.
Quote from: RUSSO on September 08, 2016, 01:06:00 AM
I think, if anything more than just a simple failure, i would bet something along sabotage.
So, with your permission Mr. Funbox, may I?
Oh, and I know there's intelligent life other than only us in the universe we live in. But as the cause for this case, not this time, not this time.
feel free , from what ive seen of the video there's no noticeable ufo activity or alien activity, so on purely visuals alone I would have to agree... but in the background well..
gunna have to play the
(http://i.imgur.com/a0QjmHH.gif)
card again , just in case :D
funbox
Quote from: Pimander on September 07, 2016, 12:52:35 PM
It all comes back to the question. Were downed craft recovered by the military? Are the suspicions that Batelle and other private companies the recipients of that technology? Are the many witness claims on this (and there are so many) that craft were studied.
Entire books full of witness statements (e.g. Haut affidavit, Jesse Marcell) surrounding the Roswell incident. How do we explain them. Occam's razor?
Quite so. How do we explain hidden Roswell witnesses still being surreptitiously monitored in the 90's?
While I am privy to some of these instances I am not at liberty and have not been given permission to reveal their identities nor the instance of their current monitoring.
I will however advise that reading the internet will never provide revelation not disclosure for you.
You need to get out in the real world and do some research of your own.
Only then will you discover some real answers for yourself.
An equally difficult question to answer is this. If there were no craft and the reports are part of a disinformation program, why was the lie continued into the 1990s (at least) by so many members of the military industrial complex and also military intelligence? Surely important members of the military intelligence community, many of high standing, would not want to risk their reputation and credibility if the story was nonsense.
...and deathbed statements to family members as well.
I just don't know the answers but I think there is a much better potential movie, documentary and book on this as I know A51Watcher will agree. We have the skeleton for the book already. If I had not been swamped by life events you'd all have read it by now. :)
Of course I agree. And life events have swamped me as well.
All in good time.
Experience in researching the matter teaches that patience is a must, whether we like it or not.
Many simply cannot stand the wait and not knowing, and in desperation jump onto some scenario's bandwagon and claim it to be the truth, regardless of the merits.
Smoke, mirrors, disinformation and misinformation is so prevalent that most normal folks give up in frustration. I've seen it many times.
As a general rule, only those that have personally witnessed something far beyond the pale, have the motivation to carry on when others give up.
Determination and perseverance do occasionally provide nuggets and puzzle pieces worth storing in your shoebox.
As those pieces accumulate a rough outline of the true picture begins to take shape.
*ANOTHER CARD SLAPS DOWN, THE TENTICAL WITHDRAWS SLOWLY INTO THE SHADOWS*
(http://i.imgur.com/TsaWZXg.gif)
excusecapsBox
Quote from: RUSSO on September 08, 2016, 01:06:00 AM
Oh, and I know there's intelligent life other than only us in the universe we live in. But as the cause for this case, not this time, not this time.
HOW do you KNOW this? Do you have special knowledge you care to share? Do you have PROOF? Just ONE little Alien lifeform to put on the table as it were?
::)
A used spaceship perhaps? I mean the early craft we reengineered must be in mothballs or a bone yard by now :P
BTW nice to see you back :D
Quote from: funbox on September 08, 2016, 02:09:09 AM
*ANOTHER CARD SLAPS DOWN, THE TENTICAL WITHDRAWS SLOWLY INTO THE SHADOWS*
Making Jokes and Silly Cards is all well and good but
Where are these Aliens you claim are influencing us?
Just ONE Show me just ONE
::)
Can't can you? It's all just in your imagination... based on Television bias and what you want to believe.
Over 40 years since von Danekin first 'invented' Ancient Aliens I have bben seeking... So far NADA Nothing but stories and fabrications and crazy loonies looking for attention claiming they were abducted' Cows mutilated by Black helicopters to keep up the mythology to hide real black ops projects. Ground penetrating radar shows NOTHING at DULCe heck even Area 51 has catering trucks to bring in the food
Skinwalker Ranch closed up and locked down... NADA from their Robert et all ogf the Aviary gone into space making inflatable space stations
NADA Not ONE Alien :P
ZIP NOTHING
Dr Lier Where is the piece of Roswell metal he supposedly had? Why wouldn't he let ANYONE verify those 'Alien Implants' he removed?
Hmmm?
NADA ZIP NOTHING Not one piece... not ever... The world governments are just not that efficient :P
Quote from: zorgon on September 08, 2016, 02:31:09 AM
Making Jokes and Silly Cards is all well and good but
Where are these Aliens you claim are influencing us?
Just ONE Show me just ONE
there out of our reach, how can I show you the top shelf if I have no access ?
sad but true :D
what do you mean silly cards?
QuoteCan't can you? It's all just in your imagination... based on Television bias and what you want to believe.
see above .. o I believe Charles fort was writing books before tv was invented, Von Daniken postulated no ancient anything, he borrowed from ideas Fort was floating before his birth
QuoteOver 40 years since von Danekin first 'invented' Ancient Aliens I have bben seeking... So far NADA Nothing but stories and fabrications and crazy loonies looking for attention claiming they were abducted' Cows mutilated by Black helicopters to keep up the mythology to hide real black ops projects. Ground penetrating radar shows NOTHING at DULCe heck even Area 51 has catering trucks to bring in the food
Skinwalker Ranch closed up and locked down... NADA from their Robert et all ogf the Aviary gone into space making inflatable space stations
NADA Not ONE Alien :P
ZIP NOTHING
Dr Lier Where is the piece of Roswell metal he supposedly had? Why wouldn't he let ANYONE verify those 'Alien Implants' he removed?
have you ever heard me argue these points?. They're veracity ? .. no .... o
QuoteThe world governments are just not that efficient :P
a side show at best.. irrelevant
funbox
Quote from: zorgon on September 08, 2016, 02:23:44 AM
HOW do you KNOW this?Do you have special knowledge you care to share? ::)
The same way, once you knew it too, but for some reason it faded away from you. You used to be a reference (and still is) to me and manny others based on your knowledge on this field and you probably forgot those countless hours we shared discussing about this field.
But the most important, I actually SAW one of those babies flying around in my city. As a matter of fact the whole street saw it, and you probably know that a "vision" of something like this makes you confortable to assume that we know way less than we think we do.
It was late 80s, and after that, I had the HONOR to meet with Lieutenant-Colonel Uyrangê Bolívar Soares de Hollanda Lima and talk about what happened in Collares. This event elucidated me we are not alone and that what i saw was most likely not one of the toys we made in this rock we call Earth.
QuoteDo you have PROOF? A used spaceship perhaps?
Im sure what I wrote above is not proof enought for anyone than me and people that knows me.
QuoteJust ONE little Alien lifeform to put on the table as it were?
That you would have to ask to my government, but it seems yours already took it away long time ago :P (you know how it works with colonies, they give you mirrors in exchange for gold ;D)
QuoteI mean the early craft we reengineered must be in mothballs or a bone yard by now :P
Far from that... it is problably in a museum on Mars ;D:P
Quote
BTW nice to see you back :D
Its always good to be back... and read about you, when you decides to post something :P
QuoteCows mutilated by Black helicopters to keep up the mythology to hide real black ops projects.
and you certainly haven't herd me make this point, do you have proof that black helicopters we're abducting animals and mutilating them in unusual, yet characteristic ways all over the world?
*plays the
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card*
edit: crap a two :/
funbox
I updated my original post with an uploaded file to Youtube...Hope it works ok...
tell me what you guys think...
I slowed down the original video to 50% and you can clearly see the wing flap if you could zoom in. I tried to replicate that in the second with zoomed in screen shots...
I was kind of busy at the time, cause I had to baby sit my 3 grandsons today and one is 4 months old, so I was kind of busy...
Rock 8)
Quote from: zorgon on September 08, 2016, 02:31:09 AM
Making Jokes and Silly Cards is all well and good but
I still think he has a good hand and a card game would be awesome ;)
QuoteWhere are these Aliens you claim are influencing us?
Just ONE Show me just ONE
After all these years you should know better than everyone else that to put a hand in an alien is not that easy (besides the fact it would most likelly kill you as it did with Marco Eli Chereze --> http://www.rense.com/general62/var.htm (http://www.rense.com/general62/var.htm) ).
Quote
Can't can you? It's all just in your imagination... based on Television bias and what you want to believe.
The fact someone has no power to caugh an alien life and show you means its all made up?
QuoteOver 40 years since von Danekin first 'invented' Ancient Aliens I have bben seeking... So far NADA Nothing but stories and fabrications and crazy loonies looking for attention claiming they were abducted' Cows mutilated by Black helicopters to keep up the mythology to hide real black ops projects. Ground penetrating radar shows NOTHING at DULCe heck even Area 51 has catering trucks to bring in the food
Nothing but stories and fabrication sounds like ýou put every person that ever touched this field(dont forget that there is lots of people that have had these experiences and does not go in the street yelling at people about what they gone through) in a blender and as a result you get only the "bad taste" of it.
QuoteSkinwalker Ranch closed up and locked down... NADA from their Robert et all ogf the Aviary gone into space making inflatable space stations
NADA Not ONE Alien :P
ZIP NOTHING
Again, because you were not there and dont share what Robert knows (if anything) and decided for some reason (that is not hard to figure out) not tell anyone, it means inteligent and sentient life does not exist elsewhere right?
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Dr Lier Where is the piece of Roswell metal he supposedly had? Why wouldn't he let ANYONE verify those 'Alien Implants' he removed?
Hmmm?
NADA ZIP NOTHING Not one piece... not ever...
There is always bad "professionals" in any field you look at. Are they making money? YES. Is it fair? NO. But this is not excuse to put legit researchers in their same place.
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The world governments are just not that efficient :P
Governments? I think this is above governments and for a great deal of time already. Or you think the society you live in is really just product of governments clashing each other? Come on, you don't really think you live in a DEMOcracy do you?
Quote from: RUSSO on September 08, 2016, 03:25:31 AM
I still think he has a good hand and a card game would be awesome ;)
Probably, YES because that does not require a lot of development and people still do play card games :D
QuoteAfter all these years you should know better than everyone else that to put a hand in an alien is not that easy
But WHY? WHY is it hard? You look at the reports and going by what people see the skies are filled with HUNDREDS nay THOUSANDS of UFO's daily... So considering the supposed number of crashes since Roswell that crash recovery researchers go to... WHY is it so hard to find ONE SINGLE ALIEN or small piece of wreakage?
Now if those thousands of sightings daily are Plasma critters... well okay then They don't leave a hard trace :P
Quote(besides the fact it would most likelly kill you as it did with Marco Eli Chereze -->
So your saying these Aliens arre hostile? Hmmm well Stephen Hawking agrees with you :P But if that were true and they are more superior to us... WHY haven't they just wiped us out?
QuoteThe fact someone has no power to caugh an alien life and show you means its all made up?
Yes because from the reports they are easy to catch They crash ships all the time since Roswell, the Alien interview shows them as frail beings... so yeah they SHOULD be easy to catch with all the military Might we have (Didn't we accidentally shoot down the Roswell craft with our radar? :P So yeah Show me the Aliens I call your bluff :P
I am tired of Jamie Maussan and Steven Greer's "Disclosure" Crap showing me fake aliens and STILL getting paid for it :P
QuoteNothing but stories and fabrication sounds like ýou put every person that ever touched this field(dont forget that there is lots of people that have had these experiences and does not go in the street yelling at people about what they gone through) in a blender and as a result you get only the "bad taste" of it.
YES!!! Exactly!! Put it all into a blender and it comes out smelling and tasting like crap :P How do we know that the 'experiencers" are not just attention seekers or are having a bad trip on some bad weed? WHY do the UFO 'researchers" and whistle blowers all attack each other's story? Shpould they not support each other? Stanton Friedman never finished his degree yet goes around letting people think he is a Nuclear Scientist therefore he should be respected. Read his own bio LOL... he failed at it and went into selling UFO's Never seen one in his life (his own admission) but his claim to fame is calling Bob Lazar a fraud.
All these guys call the other guy a liar and only their story is true... yet the simple FACT of compartmentalization proves that any and all of them could only be privy to a very small piece of the puzzle. The rest they make up as they go... because they like the attention on the UFO circuit, so ofcourse they 'know" everything. John Lear calls this "UFO disease" The pathelogical need to feed your gullible public anything they want to hear because your the supposed expert and you like the attention.
QuoteAgain, because you were not there and dont share what Robert knows (if anything) and decided for some reason (that is not hard to figure out) not tell anyone, it means inteligent and sentient life does not exist elsewhere right?
Actually I was there :P and Robert's wife and I worked a lot on the local Charity. No Aliens just weird creatures from another dimension :P
QuoteThere is always bad "professionals" in any field you look at. Are they making money? YES. Is it fair? NO. But this is not excuse to put legit researchers in their same place.
yes the Charlatans are making money...WHY? Becaue the stupid fickle public WANTS to hear what they BELIEVE to be the truth... so if you try to mess with that YOU are ostracized as the disinfo agent because you dare to challenge their reality. So what is the point of being a serious researcher if no one wants to hear what you have to offer? Look at Pegasus... it was supposed to be the cream of the crop of the real thinkers... We barely have 20 people still posting.
Is it fair? Hell no... it would be nice to see a little recognition for the effort But since John is to ill to participate anymore there isn't much left to work with. With everyone and their sister having good qaulity cell phone cameras these days does it seem logical to you that NO ONE ever catches ANYTHING but obscure fuzzy objects that no one can tell what it is yet those same cameras take excellent photos of that Bikini Babe on the beach?
As to legit researchers... WHO? can you name some? Even John only got into it to satisfy his own curiosity and he constantly changed his mind on things so WHO is a 'legit' researcher these days? Let's see a list :D
QuoteGovernments? I think this is above governments and for a great deal of time already. Or you think the society you live in is really just product of governments clashing each other?
Obama recently gave his last (thank the Aliens :P ) State of the Union Speech... He bashed the military. Look at the faces of these Chief of Staff's... These guys are THE TOP military leaders of each of the armed forces. They are not happy... these guys have the power to fix everything yet they do NOTHING except lap it up and squirm looking ready to kill someone... so WHO is running things then?
(http://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/newshour/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/snaps-about-pbs-newshour-state-of-the-union-on-pbs-newshour_9t-1.gif)
What organization has more power than any and all world governments and the Military of the strongest nation on Earth (Well maybe 2nd to Russia :P ) WHO controls the Alien info world wide so good that not the tiniest leak ever gets out?
QuoteCome on, you don't really think you live in a DEMOcracy do you?
Hell NO Its a REBUBLIC.. a corporation... always has been. problem is the Corporation is bankrupt, both morally and financially. If trump doesn't get in and Hillary (Soro's puppet) is put in the seat, then the USA is finished
BTW Hillary promised to reveal the 'truth' about Aliens So I guess yawl will want her in right? I mean her track record of honesty is beyond question, right?
::)
Quote from: spacemaverick on September 07, 2016, 06:31:54 PM
It is sad that this happens...there are places on the web that seemed to have put out the truth and then they go off on some tangent just to make money. It seems most people want their ears tickled instead of hearing the truth. Sometimes things are what they seem and we try and find something else. Just my humble opinion....
Well here is the problem..
Government opens a White House petition website... top two requests... legalize marijuana and disclose UFO's
So UFO believers petition for answers..
Government says: We have no deallings with Aliens and have no Alien tech hidden away...
UFO believers: Your LYING
But what if they are NOT lying?
What if A) no one in the open government actually knows anything about aliens?
or B) there are no Aliens :P
Doesn't matter because if the government says "Yes they are real" UFO believers will say "See? told ya so!" and if they say "No there are no Aliens" UFO Believers will get angry and say "You are LYING, covering it up!!!
So you cannot win... ever
President Carter asked about the UFO's He was told that a President's curiouslity was not a good enogh "need to know' reason. After all a President is only a TEMP job :P Obama was denied access to Area 51 and Bill Clinton sent an aide to A51 (in his 2nd term :P ) They told the aise "Nothing to see here... onlt secret airplanes"
So either there are no Aliens or even the Government is in the dark about them... which begs the question WHO deos know?
Quote from: zorgon on September 08, 2016, 02:23:44 AM
HOW do you KNOW this? Do you have special knowledge you care to share? Do you have PROOF? Just ONE little Alien lifeform to put on the table as it were?
BTW nice to see you back :D
Russo is right!! IMO Z, this is the "proof" as you requested - of course you have seen it before, but proof is proof!! This pic is even presented with a human in the same sitting position as the alien in the NASA photo, to again help with the interpretation of the alien pic.
REF: Sept 2014 OP - http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7268.0
(https://s9.postimg.org/866o8fkq7/TEA_Human_Combo_Screen_Shot_2016_08_11_at_3_29.jpg)
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on September 08, 2016, 03:17:20 AM
tell me what you guys think...
Looking for a few seconds at the original I can see its a large bird. Most likely a PELICAN. If you have ever seen a Pleican fly there is no question...
I have no need to pretend I see a UFO :P I would EXPECT to see birds spooked by launching and exploding rockets in that location as ALL the old videos show birds in them
It is not hard to see the flapping motion (unless you are blineded by a pathelogical need :P to see an Alien Spaceship.)
Now we can argue till the Cows come home (from Alpha Prime?) or we can just accept that serious researchers can spot the difference between a bird, a flying garbage bag or an Alien space craft firing lasers at a rocket :P
Like THIS ONE that British press, Open Minds TV and MUFON record as a triangle UFO
(http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/gb_ufo_ftr-620x330.jpg)
No it isn't a UFO It is a hot air garbage bag balloon. IF you are any kind of serious researcher, one look at that tells you it is a balloon The sides are curved out 9inflatted) If you don't learn to recognize common objects, how can you make judgement call of Alien ships?
::)
Channel 7 KOAT TV knew what it was but posted the picture on Facebook asking people what they thought it was Over 6000 replies said it was a UFO or Alien space craft Some offered black ops triangle only THREE people said balloon of some kind
Diamond-shaped object in sky causes stirhttp://www.koat.com/news/a-black-diamondshaped-drifts-across-sky/30791750
My first thought when i saw it was to look for hot air balloons and i posted THIS one (yes its yellow but you can see the same bulged surfaces :P )
It took 48 seconds on google to find out it was a hot air balloon kids science project. The next day KOAT TV 7 aired the full story... yet MUFON still records this as a UFO report..
(http://media.istockphoto.com/photos/triangular-hot-air-balloon-on-a-clear-blue-sky-picture-id172341474?s=170x170)
(http://6336-presscdn-26-82.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/triangle-flying-object.png)
So do you want REAL research? Or do you really believe Aliens are invading Earth in Black Triangle Garbage bags?
:o
Quote from: rdunk on September 08, 2016, 06:04:28 AM
Russo is right!! IMO Z, this is the "proof" as you requested - of course you have seen it before, but proof is proof!! This pic is even presented with a human in the same sitting position as the alien in the NASA photo, to again help with the interpretation of the alien pic.
Explain to me WHY is NASA who we all know is lying and photoshopping all their photos... showing us a photo of Aliens?
A photo is not PROOF unless it is accompanied by providence... Anyone can create anything in photos these days
I don't want "proof" I want HARD TOUCHABLE PROOF :P
Quote from: zorgon on September 08, 2016, 06:11:33 AM
Explain to me WHY is NASA who we all know is lying and photoshopping all their photos... showing us a photo of Aliens?
A photo is not PROOF unless it is accompanied by providence... Anyone can create anything in photos these days
I don't want "proof" I want HARD TOUCHABLE PROOF :P
WHY is NASA not.......? .............In this case, because NASA/JPL most likely did not see this alien. Rover Opportunity was taking pics of St. Mary's Cape from the top rim of an adjacent cape. It was a really long distance shot, and one has to do a lot with the pics to even see the detail. NASA did not see this, or they would have "taken care of it"! The majority of the pics taken of this cape on different sol days do show this ET-looking feature - (some do not.......for some reason). :)
Quote from: zorgon on September 08, 2016, 06:11:33 AM
Explain to me WHY is NASA who we all know is lying and photoshopping all their photos... showing us a photo of Aliens?
A photo is not PROOF unless it is accompanied by providence... Anyone can create anything in photos these days
I don't want "proof" I want HARD TOUCHABLE PROOF :P
Now that's
what I want also is hard touchable proof. ;) ;) ;) ...I don't want BS...
http://www.spacex.com/news/2016/09/01/anomaly-updates
ANOMALY UPDATE FROM SPACE X
".....- At the time of the loss, the launch vehicle was vertical and in the process of being fueled for the test. At this time, the data indicates the anomaly originated around the upper stage liquid oxygen tank. Per standard operating procedure, all personnel were clear of the pad. There were no injuries....."
CLICK THE LINK FOR REST OF THE STORY....
Quote from: zorgon on September 08, 2016, 05:48:25 AM
Probably, YES because that does not require a lot of development and people still do play card games :D
Exactly! Hearthstone for example is very popular.
QuoteBut WHY? WHY is it hard? You look at the reports and going by what people see the skies are filled with HUNDREDS nay THOUSANDS of UFO's daily... So considering the supposed number of crashes since Roswell that crash recovery researchers go to... WHY is it so hard to find ONE SINGLE ALIEN or small piece of wreakage?
Because its too important and worth the exhaustively extreme effort by those that want you believe we are the only game in the town? Did you just once stop to think that this planet (besides what we may think its large or not) may be not be large enough and so not that difficult to manage when it goes to close the loose ends?
Remember that even with all the social medias nowadays its still the main stream media that "hit the hammer" and make the mind of the vast majority of the people. If not why would be HC still running for the POTUS place? Plausible deniability is, afterall, a creation from a 3 letter agency from your country is'n it?
QuoteSo your saying these Aliens arre hostile? Hmmm well Stephen Hawking agrees with you :P But if that were true and they are more superior to us... WHY haven't they just wiped us out?
What Im saying is that if you wish to get close to an alien you better be using a hamas suit, at least the lack of a suit was what killed him in that case :P(as you can see in that link the military that touch that bean died by generalized infection)
QuoteYes because from the reports they are easy to catch They crash ships all the time since Roswell, the Alien interview shows them as frail beings... so yeah they SHOULD be easy to catch with all the military Might we have (Didn't we accidentally shoot down the Roswell craft with our radar? :P So yeah Show me the Aliens I call your bluff :P
All the time? This way you make it seems i can catch one in my backyard by the morning. Come on Z this is too minimalistic and you saying the MILITARY arm from the PTB can crash them is way different to the idea they will show something to you :P
QuoteI am tired of Jamie Maussan and Steven Greer's "Disclosure" Crap showing me fake aliens and STILL getting paid for it :P
Everyone that has a minimum of concern about this field knows by now how bad and extremely damaging they are. They are getting paid because there are lots of people that WANT the easy answers the entertaining ones. They are tired too, but they are tired of the boring life they have to face to make a living, so crooks on the duty with a good story will get "paid".
This is the reality we live on, check on social medias and see how stupid people are nowadays... check the trend topics or the news the very people make popular just because they support it. What can you do if people choose that information to consume? Nothing and thats why we only will get an official answer when and only when the puppeteers agenda time is ready. That or something very unexpected and uncontrollable event come at the place.
QuoteYES!!! Exactly!! Put it all into a blender and it comes out smelling and tasting like crap :P How do we know that the 'experiencers" are not just attention seekers or are having a bad trip on some bad weed?
How do we know its not the opposite? Clear of drugs and real deal?
QuoteWHY do the UFO 'researchers" and whistle blowers all attack each other's story? Shpould they not support each other?
Why not just ignore and forget this kind of people? You better than them.
QuoteStanton Friedman never finished his degree yet goes around letting people think he is a Nuclear Scientist therefore he should be respected. Read his own bio LOL... he failed at it and went into selling UFO's Never seen one in his life (his own admission) but his claim to fame is calling Bob Lazar a fraud.
One more motive to just ignore him. :)
QuoteAll these guys call the other guy a liar and only their story is true... yet the simple FACT of compartmentalization proves that any and all of them could only be privy to a very small piece of the puzzle. The rest they make up as they go... because they like the attention on the UFO circuit, so ofcourse they 'know" everything.
All 100% of the time. There is no fail in the process? Besides the work is made by humans you think the result have always the precision of a machine? People never talk each other in those places? Every people involved in these projects are devoided of curiosity? I could go on but if there is something bigger than the human capacity of make things secure is their arrogance they have in be sure about being fail proof. See fukushima as a "small example".
QuoteJohn Lear calls this "UFO disease" The pathelogical need to feed your gullible public anything they want to hear because your the supposed expert and you like the attention.
It's more like a human condition, psicology calls it histrionic personality disorder ::)
QuoteActually I was there :P and Robert's wife and I worked a lot on the local Charity. No Aliens just weird creatures from another dimension :P
How can you be sure it was not alien in nature? :P
Quoteyes the Charlatans are making money...WHY? Becaue the stupid fickle public WANTS to hear what they BELIEVE to be the truth... so if you try to mess with that YOU are ostracized as the disinfo agent because you dare to challenge their reality. So what is the point of being a serious researcher if no one wants to hear what you have to offer? Look at Pegasus... it was supposed to be the cream of the crop of the real thinkers... We barely have 20 people still posting.
I know how it works, but this not make aliens unreal, just make the society we live in dumb ::)
QuoteIs it fair? Hell no... it would be nice to see a little recognition for the effort But since John is to ill to participate anymore there isn't much left to work with. With everyone and their sister having good qaulity cell phone cameras these days does it seem logical to you that NO ONE ever catches ANYTHING but obscure fuzzy objects that no one can tell what it is yet those same cameras take excellent photos of that Bikini Babe on the beach?
So you saying there is no footage you ever put your eyes on that made you shake and say this i can't explain? Just for the start All nasa footage are ice crystals and the airbrushes, artifacts? ;D
QuoteAs to legit researchers... WHO? can you name some? Even John only got into it to satisfy his own curiosity and he constantly changed his mind on things so WHO is a 'legit' researcher these days? Let's see a list :D
You want me to make you a list, seriously? I have a tip for you then, go for the exclusions first, you already cited some above :P
QuoteObama recently gave his last (thank the Aliens :P ) State of the Union Speech... He bashed the military. Look at the faces of these Chief of Staff's... These guys are THE TOP military leaders of each of the armed forces. They are not happy... these guys have the power to fix everything yet they do NOTHING except lap it up and squirm looking ready to kill someone... so WHO is running things then?
That is the last thing we will ever know. We probably will see the aliens first but not the puppeteers behind the scene. Most of their power lies in their capacity to remain unknown.
Quote(http://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/newshour/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/snaps-about-pbs-newshour-state-of-the-union-on-pbs-newshour_9t-1.gif)
Do you think these guys do not answer anyone? They are in their position because...?
QuoteWhat organization has more power than any and all world governments and the Military of the strongest nation on Earth (Well maybe 2nd to Russia :P ) WHO controls the Alien info world wide so good that not the tiniest leak ever gets out?
It does, but its up to you to filter it. And you should have in mind that every time something is leaked a disinfo campaign starts. But you already know it, what makes me wonder why you just ignoring it :o
QuoteHell NO Its a REBUBLIC.. a corporation... always has been. problem is the Corporation is bankrupt, both morally and financially. If trump doesn't get in and Hillary (Soro's puppet) is put in the seat, then the USA is finished
BTW Hillary promised to reveal the 'truth' about Aliens So I guess yawl will want her in right? I mean her track record of honesty is beyond question, right?
::)
No thanks, i dont want any more wars. :P
PS. You forgot to answer the other post I made before the one you replied!!! ::)
Quote from: ArMaP on September 07, 2016, 08:10:24 PM
Probably because the reason for the disinformation is still active. :)
What would that be though?
There are plenty of hypothetical reasons to cover up alleged ET technology that benefits either the military or massively powerful money interests. It's easy to think of plenty. What is the reason for the military to pretend it is/has happened?
QuoteI will however advise that reading the internet will never provide revelation not disclosure for you.
You need to get out in the real world and do some research of your own.
Only then will you discover some real answers for yourself.
If you've seen a craft it is unmistakable. But talking to people is massive. That's how I found that most of the UK sightings were not saucers. I have not specifically looked at nuclear sites though.
Quote from: zorgon on September 08, 2016, 02:23:44 AM
A used spaceship perhaps? I mean the early craft we reengineered must be in mothballs or a bone yard by now :P
You say that, yet you KNOW the technology for craft to operate in practical invisibility exists because you have seen more military documents than most. Nobody can be sure. If there is a secret space program there can also be a secret Earth program. That does not mean there is but it is not impossible and is difficult to prove.
Zorgon said, "I don't want "proof" I want HARD TOUCHABLE PROOF :P
Well Z, that is a fine goal, but at the present, if the "proof" of life or intelligent design is found on another planet, it remains "untouchable" and relatively easy for skeptics to off-handedly deny, regardless of its authenticity! 8)
Quote from: Pimander on September 08, 2016, 02:30:08 PM
What would that be though?
You have to ask them, I have no idea. :)
Quote from: rdunk on September 08, 2016, 06:04:28 AM
Russo is right!! IMO Z, this is the "proof" as you requested - of course you have seen it before, but proof is proof!! This pic is even presented with a human in the same sitting position as the alien in the NASA photo, to again help with the interpretation of the alien pic.
REF: Sept 2014 OP - http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7268.0
(https://s9.postimg.org/866o8fkq7/TEA_Human_Combo_Screen_Shot_2016_08_11_at_3_29.jpg)
That's the problem
zorgon was talking about, people want to believe, they do not want to know, otherwise you would have stopped using that image. Why don't you use the original image? I posted it in that thread, but here it is to be easier for the lazy people that don't click links. ;)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/1p235785390rad85mep2441l2c1_1.png)
Quote from: zorgon on September 08, 2016, 05:48:25 AM
Hell NO Its a REBUBLIC.. a corporation... always has been.
A country can be a democracy and a republic.
Edited to add: at least according to the real meaning of both those words, not to the definition used in the US.
This thread really got away from the subject.....
I addressed it as best I could.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/08/spacex-could-be-grounded-for-9-12-months-after-accident-ula-chief-says.html
SpaceX could be grounded for 9-12 months after accident, ULA chief says
Elon Musk's SpaceX likely will be grounded for nine to 12 months while it investigates the cause of last week's launch pad accident and makes any repairs, the chief executive of SpaceX's prime U.S. competitor said on Thursday.
"It typically takes nine to 12 months for people to return to flight. That's what the history is," Tory Bruno, chief executive of United Launch Alliance, told Reuters.
Well there is still United Launch Alliance....
Quote from: ArMaP on September 08, 2016, 09:01:15 PM
You have to ask them, I have no idea. :)
Maybe they don't "need to know" lol ;)
SpaceX asked local people if they had any video to send it to them because they are at a loss as to what caused the explosion at this point. The FAA is also involved from what I understand. So at this point it is still a mystery. You would think that they could look at their readings from their telemetry and find a cause. I mean like was it a rupture and if so where did the spark come from to ignite it, was it a flaw in some part, etc....
http://www.space.com/34029-elon-musk-seeks-help-solving-rocket-explosion.html (http://www.space.com/34029-elon-musk-seeks-help-solving-rocket-explosion.html)
An Opportunity for public input.....
I had a job back in the early 80's machining landing gears for civilian and military aircraft and you could trace each operation on each gear back to the specific machinist that performed a specific job on that gear. So at this point anything at all is pure speculation.
A public conversation
Musk tweeted about the loss of the Falcon 9 hours after the incident, noting that the explosion appeared to originate "around upper-stage oxygen tank" but the cause was "still unknown." SpaceX provided more updates about the incident on Sept. 2.
Then, Musk's account went quiet until about 12:30 a.m. EDT this morning (0030 GMT), when he began tweeting actively about the explosion.
"Still working on the Falcon fireball investigation. Turning out to be the most difficult and complex failure we have ever had in 14 years," Musk wrote. "Important to note that this happened during a routine filling operation. Engines were not on, and there was no apparent heat source.
"Particularly trying to understand the quieter bang sound a few seconds before the fireball goes off. May come from rocket or something else," he said.
Musk also answered questions and responded to comments from the public.
When Twitter user @ashwin7002 tweeted at Musk that "there are some videos on YouTube claiming something hit the rocket. Any reality there?" Musk replied, "We have not ruled that out."
Twitter user Matt Stohrer wrote, "that sound at 0:54 sounds like a metal joint popping under stress. e.g. weld failing on strut, welded seam bursting, etc." Musk replied, "Most likely true, but we can't yet find it on any vehicle sensors."
Twitter user Eric Bowen asked if the company's Dragon spacecraft would have survived the event. Musk replied, "yes. This seems instant[aneous] from a human perspective, but it [was] really a fast fire, not an explosion. Dragon would have been fine."
The Sept. 1 explosion also destroyed the rocket's payload, the AMOS-6 communications satellite, which was co-leased by Facebook and intended to bring internet connectivity to parts of Africa.
Musk also made multiple tweets apologizing for a delay in writing a blog post about Autopilot, an autonomous crash-avoidance technology offered in electric cars made by Tesla (Musk's other company). When another commenter joked about the delay, Musk replied, "It's been a little crazy lately."
Above taken directly from the article at Space.com.
http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/23/13031308/spacex-falcon-9-rocket-explosion-cause-cryogenic-helium-system (http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/23/13031308/spacex-falcon-9-rocket-explosion-cause-cryogenic-helium-system)
SpaceX's recent Falcon 9 explosion seems to have been caused by a breach in the "cryogenic helium system" of the vehicle's upper oxygen tank, according to an update from the company. However, SpaceX says the accident is not connected to last year's Falcon 9 explosion, when a rocket disintegrated en route to the International Space Station.
more at the link above.....
SpaceX's Falcon 9 Rocket May Have Been Sabotaged (https://news.thestreet.com/independent/story/13839051/1/spacex-s-falcon-9-rocket-may-have-been-sabotaged.html)
NEW YORK (TheStreet) -- Sabotage is now a possibility for SpaceX's Falcon 9 rocket explosion at its Cape Canaveral, Florida launchpad on September 1, CNBC's Morgan Brennan reported on Monday morning's "Squawk on the Street."
SpaceX has found some "suspicious" images from the roof of a United Launch Alliance (ULA) building that's located near the Falcon 9 launch pad, according to the Washington Post, Brennan continued. SpaceX wanted to investigate further, but ULA had Air Force officials check out its roof, and they said it was all clear.
Quote from: Pimander on October 04, 2016, 10:42:49 AM
SpaceX's Falcon 9 Rocket May Have Been Sabotaged (https://news.thestreet.com/independent/story/13839051/1/spacex-s-falcon-9-rocket-may-have-been-sabotaged.html)
NEW YORK (TheStreet) -- Sabotage is now a possibility for SpaceX's Falcon 9 rocket explosion at its Cape Canaveral, Florida launchpad on September 1, CNBC's Morgan Brennan reported on Monday morning's "Squawk on the Street."
SpaceX has found some "suspicious" images from the roof of a United Launch Alliance (ULA) building that's located near the Falcon 9 launch pad, according to the Washington Post, Brennan continued. SpaceX wanted to investigate further, but ULA had Air Force officials check out its roof, and they said it was all clear.
Yeah I read that this morning.
Looks like they can't find the 'real' reason so they're looking to blame it on 'sabotage'..lol...
Mechanical failure is the real answer, they just don't want to admit it...IMO
UPDATE:
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/238629-spacex-says-recent-rocket-explosion-result-helium-loading-issue
The following taken directly from the article. See link above for full story.
It has been almost two months since a SpaceX rocket exploded during launch preparation, taking a Facebook internet satellite along with it. The company has been hard at work to track down the cause of the failure, and SpaceX now says the explosion was caused by a helium loading issue. The investigation is not completely over, but SpaceX plans to start test firing rockets again later this month and wants to return to active launches by the end of 2016.
From the start of the investigation, SpaceX was focused on the helium tanks in the upper stage, as that appeared to be the ignition point of the explosion. This is separate from the helium tank issue that famously caused a Falcon 9 rocket to break up in 2015 on its way to the International Space Station. That was due to a faulty strut that was supposed to hold the helium containers in place.
According to the new update, SpaceX believes this "anomaly" (as it's called because that sounds nicer than giant fireball) was the result of variations in the pressure and temperature of the helium being loaded into the rocket. Founder Elon Musk has called this the most complex failure the company has ever investigated. The explosion occurred rapidly, with just 93 milliseconds between the first sign of a problem and loss of telemetry.
So yawl ready to hop on his Mars Express? :P
::)
Quote from: zorgon on November 05, 2016, 06:11:25 AM
So yawl ready to hop on his Mars Express? :P
Don't confuse people more, Mars Express has been orbiting Mars for several years. :P
Quote from: spacemaverick on November 05, 2016, 12:02:46 AM
That was due to a faulty strut that was supposed to hold the helium containers in place.
I still can't help feeling like such a basic mistake costing possibly billions (hundreds of millions at least) can be made. Surely the checks on checks on checks would spot this?
It would not surprise me if errors like this could be made with sabotage in mind.
Quote from: Pimander on November 07, 2016, 04:16:09 PM
I still can't help feeling like such a basic mistake costing possibly billions (hundreds of millions at least) can be made. Surely the checks on checks on checks would spot this?
It would not surprise me if errors like this could be made with sabotage in mind.
I immediately thought of Apollo 13 when I read about this failure.
Many many years ago I did temp work at a wiring manufacturer that made harnesses, etc. One of the positions there was using a small machine to attach terminals to wires. If you did not place the wire precisely in position the terminal would not attach properly. Such a small mistake can have big consequences.
All it takes is one moment of production indifference to bring the whole thing down.