http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/astronauts-space-spooked-mysterious-knocking-9357985
What, no doorbell? Or Welcome Mat? First Contact doesn't seem very inviting.
This doesn't surprise me. It's consistent with a personal experience of mine.
As I've confessed recently, I'm an ongoing CE5.
Quote from: Irene on November 29, 2016, 06:02:59 PM
This doesn't surprise me. It's consistent with a personal experience of mine.
As I've confessed recently, I'm an ongoing CE5.
Ongoing, Irene? You mean they are still taking you?
Quote from: petrus4 on November 29, 2016, 08:12:19 PM
Ongoing, Irene? You mean they are still taking you?
No, talking to me and my sister.
She visited the San Luis Valley this past summer after hearing it is a hotspot. She will not tell me what happened. She is terrified.
ETA, these things, I think they're interdimensional, are nasty. Every now and then they will say something nice as bait and then feed on you when you recognize the lie.
This seems appropriate
https://youtu.be/YTD5_FwdiBU (https://youtu.be/YTD5_FwdiBU)
Quote from: Irene on November 29, 2016, 09:16:07 PM
No, talking to me and my sister.
She visited the San Luis Valley this past summer after hearing it is a hotspot. She will not tell me what happened. She is terrified.
ETA, these things, I think they're interdimensional, are nasty. Every now and then they will say something nice as bait and then feed on you when you recognize the lie.
If I can offer a suggestion to your sister. I know this will sound superficial and pathetic, but for me it really did help, in conjunction with prayer to Kali and other things. However, as just a single measure...
Have her visualise herself being surrounded by dark blue energy; the colour of the night sky. That might sound sinister, but I'm not saying black here; I'm saying dark Indigo.
(http://orig10.deviantart.net/6b2a/f/2012/354/3/f/indigo_bindigo_by_fractamonium-d5onehv.png)
This is a colour which corresponds with the concept of sovereignty; and what this energy will indicate to those beings, is that she is aware of the fact that she has the right to decline any interaction with them whatsoever, if she so chooses. Once she truly realises and acknowledges that she has the right to refuse them, then they will not be able to touch her.
As another meditation exercise, which I've started trying to do myself over the last 24 hours, because I was getting attacked again; have her close her eyes and focus, as intensely as possible, on the type of nurturing emotion which she feels when she is giving someone a hug, or receiving one from someone else. STS or negatively polarised beings can not stand that kind of energy, and if you really pump yourself full of it on a daily basis, they will not want to come anywhere near you. They primarily enjoy fear and negative emotion; love terrifies them, because it encourages integration, and they thrive on the idea of keeping everything seperate.
Petrus,
She is a Buddhist and is dealing with it in her own way, but thanks for the recommendations.
Both of us were stunned when we read Kelleher's Hunt for the Skinwalker. Personally, I've highlighted things in it on my Kindle app. What has happened/is happening there is consistent with our experiences.
These things do knock, but they also whistle and blast a klaxon in your head, which is extremely unnerving. They think it's funny and they feed off the adrenaline produced.
Quote from: Irene on November 29, 2016, 11:29:33 PM
Petrus,
She is a Buddhist and is dealing with it in her own way, but thanks for the recommendations.
I found out not long ago that Buddhism has its' own ways of dealing with antisocial acorporeals that show up in the middle of the night. Reminds me of a Chaos banishing I read about a few years back, which essentially consisted of screaming in a belligerent East End accent, "F&@# OFF YOU BASTARDS!" The author claimed that it could be highly effective, but only to the extent that you refused to take the entities in question seriously. ;)
I would actually feel some gratitude towards the offending extraterrestrials, believe it or not. As a magician, one of the first things you need to learn, is how to read out the riot act to the sorts of beings which would leave more conventionally minded people, gibbering and weeping in a foetal position on the floor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll_UhrQMC-I&t=9s
Hence, these entities are providing you the opportunity for valuable practice. Consider it the first step towards earning your Interdimensional Garbologist merit badge.
QuoteThese things do knock, but they also whistle and blast a klaxon in your head, which is extremely unnerving. They think it's funny and they feed off the adrenaline produced.
Yep. They also get off on the idea that they can supposedly show up and do it to you whenever they please. Some aliens are beautiful beings of light, and some of them are adolescent punks.
Petrus,
You have inspired me to start a thread.
Thank you. :)
Interesting........there have been Born Again Christians who swear that 'demons' disappear upon loudly invoking Jesus' name and Jehovah's Witnesses who have the same experience doing the same with Jehovah.
So, what's the mechanism here? What has puzzled me about ghost hunters experiences is the idea that organized personal emotions survive death. Perhaps it's the strong rejection projected.
What a strange universe. They can't give us free energy or a unified field theory but are all about feelings?
Quote from: Irene on November 29, 2016, 09:16:07 PM
No, talking to me and my sister.
She visited the San Luis Valley this past summer after hearing it is a hotspot. She will not tell me what happened. She is terrified.
ETA, these things, I think they're interdimensional, are nasty. Every now and then they will say something nice as bait and then feed on you when you recognize the lie.
You'll enjoy Siren Call of Hungry Ghosts, Joe Fisher
A case study, available on YouTube.
Quote from: Eighthman on November 30, 2016, 01:26:09 AM
Interesting........there have been Born Again Christians who swear that 'demons' disappear upon loudly invoking Jesus' name and Jehovah's Witnesses who have the same experience doing the same with Jehovah.
They can. Jesus and the other spirits associated with Christianity (Michael, Mary etc) genuinely are extremely powerful. My point of difference with Christians is that I don't necessarily believe that Christianity is the
only way of doing things; but it is one way, and it can be very effective.
QuoteSo, what's the mechanism here? What has puzzled me about ghost hunters experiences is the idea that organized personal emotions survive death. Perhaps it's the strong rejection projected.
The mechanism is that you essentially have some nasty bugs from other dimensions who enjoy the taste of fear and other negative emotions, and that as a result, you occasionally need to reverently ask your favourite Godform if, to paraphrase Samuel L. Jackson, they would be willing to put foot to ass. I got into an argument with one of them a few years back. I was able to chase it off, but only really because they tend to be cowards and prefer an easy meal. If you either project really positive emotions or engage them in astral combat, it's a lot easier for them to go and pick on someone else who doesn't even know that they exist, let alone knows how to kick them in the face, which I do...at least to an extent.
With that said, however, this isn't the sort of thing that I get involved with willingly, these days. The bugs have hierarchies, and if you beat up enough of the smaller ones, sooner or later one of the bigger ones are going to come looking for you, and that can get extremely complicated. If one of them crosses my path, then either I will deal with it or ask Lord Yinepu if he would, which he generally does in exchange for some chocolate; but I don't go looking for fights with them if I can help it. There's a difference between knowing how to fight to a small degree, and thinking you can take on anything out there. There's always a bigger fish. LSD is particularly good for teaching you your place in the universe.
I am not someone who Don Juan would even consider a novice. I am someone who has had to learn a few things because of the degree to which I was getting picked on as a teenager, but I have fairly deliberately avoided learning more than the bare minimum required, because I have taken enough psychedelics over the last few years that I have gained some idea of just how small I really am, in the grand scheme of things. So I don't have delusions about being some sort of rock star who is going to be able to handle anything. I nearly went mad during my second LSD trip; I was very lucky to get out of it. I know how to pre-emptively banish, I know how to ask for help if I need it, and I know how to pull out an astral sword, and that is literally it. I don't go anywhere near ceremonial though because that is only asking for unspeakable trouble, and I don't even play with sigils any more because I don't want to draw attention to myself either.
Exorcism just isn't nice. In the best case scenario, the spirits in question go away, and that's it; but even if they do, in a lot of cases it still means you end up having an experience that pretty much any sane person is going to want to avoid.
I'm glad to see you posting again Petrus :)
Quote from: Eighthman on November 30, 2016, 01:26:09 AM
Interesting........there have been Born Again Christians who swear that 'demons' disappear upon loudly invoking Jesus' name and Jehovah's Witnesses who have the same experience doing the same with Jehovah.
"demons" or 'elementals' from the ASTRAL WORLD... They must obey certain laws as it were... a simple command BEGONE and they will leave... This I have known all my life... this is taught by Ancient masters... this is taught by remote viewing instructors... If invoking the name Jesus works for you than so be it Conan invoked Krom :P Doesn't matter the thing that matters is the COMMAND and that you believe it will work without a doubt
These 'entities' CANNOT bother you if you do not let them. But you must be firm in your bannishment
Ouija boards are BAD because using one you INVITE these elementals to come and mess with you... and once the invite has been accepted, they are very hard to get rid of.
Call them IMPS if you want, they are palyful in a nasty sort of way... People that dabble in Occult things without first learning the safeguards will be plaqued by the Imps... Remote Viewers and Astral travellers that do so without learning the safeguards will run into them... Ghost Hunters, Alien Hunters.... all the same thing be CAREFUL what you wish for... because you may be stuck with it...
QuoteSo, what's the mechanism here? What has puzzled me about ghost hunters experiences is the idea that organized personal emotions survive death. Perhaps it's the strong rejection projected.
Your Astral Body survives death... but the Astral Plane contains other entities other than Humans...
QuoteWhen a person is living in the astral, that is, when a person has 'died' to Earth, then that particular entity enters into the full life of the astral world and is not just a visitor as are those who return to the astral world, during that time when their body is asleep on the Earth, and, being full-time members of the astral world, they behave as ordinary people would on the Earth. That is, at the end of an astral day they sleep. The astral body which, of course, is quite solid to people in the astral world, goes to sleep, and, again, the psyche leaves the astral body at the end of its Silver Cord and goes into a yet higher plane. There it learns things which will be of use on what we might term the lower astral when the spirit returns to the astral body. Do not think that the astral world is the highest world, do not think that it is Heaven; it is not.
It may surprize you to know that animals also go there and it will shock you to hear that yhumans are NOT the highest life form :P
QuoteHumans are not alone in the astral world, animals go there too. Never, never make the most tragic mistake of thinking that humans are the highest form of existence; they are not. Humans are just another form of existence. Humans think in one way, animals think in another way, but there are entities who, compared to humans, are as much above the humans as the humans are above the earthworms, and even these People know that they are not the ultimate form of evolution. So forget all about being a superior creature and concentrate on doing the best job you can.
Animals go to the astral plane, animals go higher as they merit it just as humans do. One of the big difficulties with the Christian religion is that they think humanity is the highest form of evolution possible, they think that all creatures were made for the satisfaction of Man, and that has led to some terrible conditions. The animal world and the animal Manus have been incredibly tolerant, knowing that humans have been misinstructed by their religious leaders, by their priests - who really rearranged Christianity to give themselves adequate power.
Accept it as fact, then, that in the astral worlds you will not find cowering (sammenkrypende) dogs or scared cats. You will instead find a partner who is in every way the equal of a human and who can communicate with a human with utter ease by telepathy.
QuoteWhat a strange universe. They can't give us free energy or a unified field theory but are all about feelings?
Earth is the School of Hard knocks It is the Cradle
Earth is the cradle of humanity, but one cannot live in a cradle forever. ~ Konstantin Eduardovich Tsiolkovsky
QuoteThere are more and more people coming to the Earth, more and more people being born to the Earth, and many inquirers wonder why that should be so. The answer is Earth is just one speck of dust amid billions of specks of dust, and when people ask me why the population of the Earth is increasing I tell them the truth, which is that people are coming to Earth from other more nebulous planes of existence. Perhaps a person comes from a two dimensional world and comes to Earth as his first experience in a three dimensional world, so he starts his round of existence to the three dimensional world which we call Earth. And all the time there are more and more people coming as Earth becomes more and more of a qualified school of hardship. That is the purpose of Earth, you know, to teach one hardship and how to endure it and how to overcome it. People do not come to Earth to have a very enjoyable time, they come to learn so that all the information they learn can be passed on to the Overself.
My mom would not allow us to use or have a Ouija board in the house..
She said it was like opening the door for bad things to come in....
btw...i won't allow one in my house...nor tarot cards.....
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on November 30, 2016, 02:33:12 PM
My mom would not allow us to use or have a Ouija board in the house..
She said it was like opening the door for bad things to come in....
btw...i won't allow one in my house...nor tarot cards.....
The cards are fine. I don't think they like me very much, but I have no negative opinion about them. I agree with you about the Ouija board, though; and I know why they are bad from personal experience.
In regard to earth being a school, I have pondered on my life and how it sometimes seems scripted - but in a way I have no control over.
So, I have experienced some remarkable synchronicities -yet far beyond anything I could have planned or engineered. All that's left is to ask, 'can I change the script?' and 'if this is about learning or evolution, then what am I being prepared for?'.
A contrary thought is, that if thoughts are naked/telepathic in some realm we are bound to enter, then what's the point of developing here? You think something bad and stop because everyone knows it. World peace instantly. Why did I suffer previously?
All good questions and frustratingly difficult to answer.
Since becoming something of a believer attached to no specific dogma, my most recent guess is that this life is a test for the next, whatever that may be.
Only one way to find out. ???
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on November 30, 2016, 02:33:12 PM
My mom would not allow us to use or have a Ouija board in the house..
She said it was like opening the door for bad things to come in....
Your Mom was wise :D
The thing is it doesn't matter what religion you follow... the end result is the same...
Whether you call it the Astral plane or heaven... doesn't much matter because one thing is 100% CERTAIN
When the day of your death in THIS life comes you will KNOW.
IF we are naught but food for worms, then it is a moot point
But when we pass and 'wake up" on the other side that moment you will know the truth. The Christians Muslims and Jews expect that they will be grovelling before an entity they call "God"
Others will wake and look in the mirror of their soul and say "Oh my God... I fvcked up THAT life! Need to do a do over"
What matters is that you can face what is next and be able to say "I did no evil" because KARMA is a BITCH No "devil' needed :P
Quote from: Irene on November 30, 2016, 06:45:06 PM
All good questions and frustratingly difficult to answer.
Answers can be found and in today's world you won't need to climb a mountain in Tibet to ask a Guru (thought that still actually works :P Hollywood is still using that theme too)
QuoteSince becoming something of a believer attached to no specific dogma, my most recent guess is that this life is a test for the next, whatever that may be.
You said your sister was Buddhist? I am not Buddhist per say though I follow their beliefs. I swing to the Tibetan form (for several reasons) and that is backed up by Rosicrucian teachings.
Their is a teacher... a tibetan Buddhist who took over the bodt of another soul who wanted to leave this earth... he wrote many books. Many do not believe he is real... But I can assure you his words are Tuesday Lobsang Rampa I have all his works online "Feeding the Flame: is one that covers all such questions that are in this thread. I HIGHLY recommend anyone that is seeking answers to read his books... but do so with an open mind Forget about what the skeptic noise says... read it with your subconscious mind fully alert. THAT is where your answers come from
On a sign over a gate to the Potala in Lhasa Tibet there is a sign when translated that reads "A Thousand Monks, A Thousand Religions" What that means is everyone is on their own path... sometimes our paths cross others, sometimes we share a path for a time... but in the end YOU are on your own... YOU decide what you need to learn... and when you cross over YOU will sit in judgement on yourself, because it was YOU that set this task in life :D
I have my answers... I KNOW there is more. I am in my 8th Incarnation on this planet... I do not care a hoot if anyone believes me it is simply a statement of fact :P John Lear is on his last one on this rock Sleeper (Lou Baldin confirmed it) When I first started Pegasus John took offence to me having the Dalai Lama on one page This one
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_wisdom/index.html
But as years went by he once told me "Ron you are correct about Buddhism" There is more but that is the gist of it.. I know that came from Sleeper.
Irene the Crazy Cat Lady Cats have 'nine lives" is a common saying... what if I told you that that came from Tibet? and that we too have 9 incarnations to complete on this rock before we move on, barring any "do overs"
QuoteOnly one way to find out. ???
No there are several..
One is obviously 'death' At that point you will KNOW...
2) but near death experiences can show you... we have several people on Pegasus who have had that.
3) OBE Out of body experince. This happens when dreaming, but you are leaving your body and viewing it from outside. You are effectively travelling the Astral Plane but did not will it to happen
4) Astral Projection. This is where you train yourself to project your inner self outside your body. Takes tarining but anyone can do it You ramain connected to your physical body by a SILVER CHORD
Remote Viewers get close to that, though not quite. We had a remote viewer team (amatuers) once handled by moderator "Old Dude" They went to the moon to have a look... They had the crap scared out of them and quit RV for good. All but one stayed a minute to have a look...
The complete works of T Lobsang Rampa are here
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_wisdom/02files/Lobsang_Rampa.html
Wow, great post. :)
Quote from: Eighthman on November 30, 2016, 05:52:58 PM
In regard to earth being a school, I have pondered on my life and how it sometimes seems scripted - but in a way I have no control over.
Well there are a couple reasons here.... Just like ANY school there are rules to follow... You cannot become a brain surgeon by reading just one book in grade 9.
Same with the Esoteric Schools. People vilify them for keeping secrets, but there are reasons for that 1) you need to learn the skills in a certain order 2) you need to be serious 3) you need to learn to CONTROL yourself. So the mystery schools were set up during a time period when Religious Perseccusion could literally burn you at the stake or dip you in boiling oil or worse. The KNOWLEDGE was NEVER hidden... but you had to know where to look for it...
Say for example we make free to everyone the secret of nuclear bombs They are really easy to build :P Now you have that knowledge but have not learned how deadly the radioctive material is nor have you learned the control NOT to use it. Same thing with Brain surgery... would you let someone operate on YOUR brain first day out of med school?
Same with the "hidden" knowledge... it can be used for good or evil. Look at Hollywood most of it there is shown as evil...
And why would a master want to waste his time teaching idiots? Face it MOST people are not ready for higher knowledge (their time will come) so do not try to save everyone, nor worry that they don't understand you. You may be labled arrogant :P but you are the one in the know...
And lastly... YOU are your own master... when in the Astral World... YOU decide where and when you are going to reincarnate to learn a certain lesson... Just like you on earth would decide to sat take a welding class... so too do you chose your next life...
So that explains why you feel driven in a certain direction, why you feel you have no control... because your inner self is slapping you up side the head to keep you focused on your set task :P
QuoteSo, I have experienced some remarkable synchronicities -yet far beyond anything I could have planned or engineered. All that's left is to ask, 'can I change the script?' and 'if this is about learning or evolution, then what am I being prepared for?'.
This is not easy to answer in short :P
synchronicities: Since YOU have chosen your path... life will throw things at you to help keep you on path... You CAN chose to ignore those signs You CAN change the script at anytime... I have posted the video "The Secret" several times. Every time I do at least ONE person 'gets it' I once had a Sensei tell me that if he had but ONE student that really understood what he was teaching, then his life would be complete
I use the Secret daily but I confess it is not always easy to bannish all negative thoughts and I do procrastinate at times :P But over all "things happen" that keep my life in order
what am I being prepared for: Like any other school you learn to advance yourself. What you learn today you take with you to the next level. What is the top level? I have NO IDEA yet... The earth is basically Kindergarten in the scheme of things.
But look around you in the world There are people born with skills that most have no hope of mastering... WHY? Because these people bring previous training with them... You DO NOT have memories (consciously) of past lives. There is a very good reason for that... but you can use hypnotic regression to go back before your birth
But say you were a KING last time and this time you are a homeless beggar in a wheelchair... If you knew you were a King last time, you would be bitter and not learn your current lesson. Say you were Hitler last time and are now in that wheelchair paying off your karma :P Simple examples but that is the gist of it
True esoteric numerology can help you find some answers... I used to do readings for people but lost too many friends. Seems they were really uncomfortable with how much I could find out about them even just using generic traits based on their numbers...
People say they are seeking the truth... but in most cases they are scared off easily when you hit the nail on the head
QuoteA contrary thought is, that if thoughts are naked/telepathic in some realm we are bound to enter, then what's the point of developing here? You think something bad and stop because everyone knows it. World peace instantly. Why did I suffer previously?
That one is simple... This is also the reason I am against TAP... Abundance handed out freely so no one has to work for it will breed apathy, lazyness and sloth... there will be no incentive to learn or advance. In THEORY freeing up your time from work should give you time to pursue higher goals, but history has shown that human nature ALWAYS defaults to sloth and apathy.
When you 'suffer' the message gets burned into your subconscious and it stick with you. Let me give you a personal example
I have very few recollections about our home in Germany I was 7 when we moved to Canada... but I have ONE memory I was riding a bike on a gravel road... went over a hill to a friends house. When I returned they had oiled that road and I came over that hill heading home and slid. Scraped my knee (looked like I had ripped it open blood and oil and dirt, still have the scar) But from that incident I have a 100% clear picture in my mind of the road, the front of the house with the cherry tree. I do not recall anything else about that house but that imgae is burned in forever
Hard knocks, pain and suffering teach very well :D
Sure you can 'drop out' and mess up this life like many do.... your choice. Many do that because they have NO belief in things to come Look at those old evil NWO guys They must have no belief because they are so afraid of the end
Just remember this KARMA is real. The unverse strives for balance. You cannot escape it for long :P
(http://image.shutterstock.com/z/stock-photo-yin-yang-symbol-ice-and-fire-146573666.jpg)
It has taken me several lifetimes to get where I am today I cannot condense all that into a few posts :P
QuoteMany there are who pass beyond the Earth to the next life with the firm, absolutely unbreakable conviction that their own particular religion is the only one which can exist. These poor wretches are in much the same position because the helpers on the Other Side know quite well that they cannot help the newcomer if their mere appearance shatters a lifelong belief, so, let us suppose a person is a very strong Catholic believing in angels and devils and all the rest of that pantomime. (insert picture)
Then, when they get to the Other Side they do indeed see the Pearly Gates, they see an old fellow with a beard and a whacking great ledger in which they think all the sins are being recorded.
Everything is done to put on the sort of show that the good, ignorant Catholic wants to see. He sees angels with flapping wings, he sees people sitting on clouds playing harps, and for a time he is quite satisfied thinking he has reached Heaven. But gradually it dawns on him that all this doesn't ring true, the people do not fly in the right rhythm for beating wings, etc., etc. Gradually it dawns on the new-comer that all this is a stage show and he begins to wonder what is behind it all, what is behind the drapes and the set piece, what are things really like, and just as soon as he begins to think that way he begins to see 'cracks' in the facade of the Heavenly Crowd. Soon there comes a time when he cannot stick the pantomime any longer and he cries out for enlightenment.
Quickly the angels with their flapping wings fade away, quickly the harpists sitting in their nightshirts on a cloud beat it, quickly highly trained, highly experienced helpers show the newly awakened new-comer the reality instead of the illusion, and the reality is far greater than the illusion ever could be. It is a sad fact that so many people see a few pictures in the Bible - and they take them for gospel. Well, book illustrators ~e employed to illustrate the Bible as well, remember.
No matter what religion it is, if there are adherents (tilhengere) who believe unswervingly in the legends and, let us say, fantasies, of that religion, then that is what they see when they leave the Earth and enter the astral plane.
When the newcomer can realize the nature of the world he is in, then he can proceed further. He goes to the Hall of Memories and there, alone; he enters a room and he sees the whole of his life, everything he has done, everything he has tried to do, and everything he wanted to do. He sees every-thing that happened to him, and everything that he thought while upon the Earth, and he, and he alone, can make a judgement of whether his life was a success or a failure.
He, and he alone, can decide whether he will 'go back to college' and start the Course all over again in the hope of passing successfully next time.
There is no mother or father or best friend to stand by and take the blame for anything that he has done wrongly, he is there alone, entirely alone, more alone than he has been since he stood in that place before, last time. And he judges himself.
No devils, no Satan waiting with twitching tail and fiery breath, nobody is going to jab pitchforks into him, and as for all the flames, well, they don't even use such things for central heating!
Most people emerge from the Hall of Memories considerably shaken and remarkably glad of the help and sympathy which their helpers, waiting outside, offer.
Quotebut near death experiences can show you... we have several people on Pegasus who have had that.
I am one of the walking dead here 8) for I died on May 28th,1980 and was legally dead for 33 minutes; I have a very long thread on it over at spookz and one here...
Z is right, for Karma can be a bitch; the scales must balance.
We chose the major list of experiences we wish to have during each life cycle here; when you cross the veil you do undergo a panoramic life review, but you also experience anything you have done to anyone, from their point of view and you are the judge of your accomplishments and actions.
Religion is a tool of man created by man to give a measure of control over his fellow man; you Will understand that statement when you cross over...
We do create our own reality as we walk through this experience, within the framework and parameters we chose before starting the journey; the ultimate goal is to experience all things...
and there is a reset button, functions like a reset button; you decide to commit suicide you are going to come straight back and have the same experiences again and again until you make it past using the reset...
Seeker
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on November 30, 2016, 02:33:12 PM
My mom would not allow us to use or have a Ouija board in the house..
She said it was like opening the door for bad things to come in....
btw...i won't allow one in my house...nor tarot cards.....
Your mother was wise, sarge; quija board use opens a portal to let anything come to you...
Tarot cards are a different matter, for there is no opening for outside influence; when the questioner shuffles and then selects their 10 cards they are using only theirself and what they naturally have; all the reader does is interpret the cards and their relevance in each of the ten positions...The Tarot is Quabbilistic in nature, not of the dark side...
Seeker
What you describe sounds changed very little from what the Egyptians taught in the time of the Pharaohs. Your heart gets weighed and you deny doing anything wrong - or something like that.
A fundamental objection to these 'Buddhist -ey' ideas I can't overcome is that such a system would seem to generate psychopaths. If you have no guilt, then what? Why 'go back' to work things out?
My fundamentalist faith failed in particular when it fully dawned on me that the universe is simply not moral - as one would expect to be, if Creationism was true. Lions, tigers, alligators, mosquitoes, nature red in tooth and claw is the rule - how can karma be anything beyond individual feelings or developed sympathies? I understand some Buddhists wonder about this especially in relation to some Buddhist saints - who actually were less than saintly.
Quote from: the seeker on December 01, 2016, 01:17:20 AM
Your mother was wise, sarge; quija board use opens a portal to let anything come to you...
Tarot cards are a different matter, for there is no opening for outside influence; when the questioner shuffles and then selects their 10 cards they are using only theirself and what they naturally have; all the reader does is interpret the cards and their relevance in each of the ten positions...The Tarot is Quabbilistic in nature, not of the dark side...
Seeker
You open yourself to others interpretation of random cards and hence manipulate your decisions.
Nothing can be more evil.
Rock
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on December 01, 2016, 02:17:17 AM
You open yourself to others interpretation of random cards and hence manipulate your decisions.
Nothing can be more evil.
Rock
Not exactly; My set has a book that explains what each card means; the pattern they are laid out in is known as the tree of life; it is up to you to draw your own meanings from my telling the meaning of each card and make your own decisions; I don't ask what you asked the cards
I cannot see how that could be the epitomy of evil as you have stated, but your have free will to make your own decision and believe what you so choose...
I have been reading cards for 25 years and have yet had any to voice doubts or complaints; on the contrary, my circle of friends request readings frequenty...
and as already stated the Tarot comes from the Quabballah, reputed to be the Creator's gift to man to enable anyone that wishes to evolve spiritually and is the basis for Judiasm...
Seeker
I understand Seeker, but your Comment, "all the reader does is interpret the cards and their relevance in each of the ten positions.." leads me to believe that your open to interpretation. Which is not what I want.
Have a look for this chaps:- Robert Schwartz, author of "Your Soul's Plan and Your Soul's Gift"
and also Michael Newton:- http://newtoninstitute.org/about-tni/dr-michael-newton/
Interesting Thread with some thought provoking points...
Have the American or Russian Astronauts ever indicated such knocking sounds I wonder ? It seems to suggest just China's Astronauts...One wonders if its to do with their Space ships engineering ! :)
I did happens to watch an Ancient Aliens Program last night however that did refer to strange things being seen outside one of the windows as if they witnessed some beings just outside the Spaceship !...so who knows !
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RBdQp4jRrz8/T3nm-lE1e7I/AAAAAAAAB2A/XZWZJDcRI4U/s1600/Ancient.Aliens.S04E05.The.NASA.Connection.HDTV.x264-tNe%5B(035222)21-19-21%5D.JPG)
see video below Ancient Aliens ...The NASA Connection.
Astronauts in space spooked by mysterious knocking sound that no one can explain.
One astronaut said the unexplained noises left him feeling very nervous and he couldn't see anything out of the ordinary when he looked into the vast emptiness of space
(http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article9358147.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Chinese-astronaut-Yang-Liwei-sits-in-the-module-of-Shenzhen-5-spaceship.jpg)
QuoteChina's first astronaut says he heard mysterious knocks during his first flight in space - but no one has been able to explain the cause of them.
Astronaut Yang Liwei said the strange noises left him feeling very nervous and he looked out into the vast emptiness of space but couldn't see anything out of the ordinary.
Mr Yang, now a major general in China's Air Force, said it sounded like someone was knocking the body of the spaceship, comparing the noise to that of a hammer hitting an iron bucket.
The 51-year-old's unexplained experience has raised all kinds of theories, including aliens , and he said he has never heard the sound again since returning to earth.
Chinese astronaut Yang Liwei sits in the module of Shenzhen 5 spaceship
Chinese astronaut Yang Liwei sits in the module of his spaceship during his flight in 2003 (Photo: China.org.cn)
In 2003 Mr Yang became the first person sent into space by the Chinese space programme, orbiting earth several times during a 21-hour flight.
He recalled the experience in a recent interview, telling Chinese media the mysterious knocking sounds occurred without rhyme or reason.
He said: "A non-causal situation I have met in space is a knock that appeared from time to time.
China's first astronaut Yang Liwei
Mr Yang says the cause of the strange noises has never been established
"It neither came from outside nor inside the spaceship, but sounded like someone is knocking the body of the spaceship just as knocking an iron bucket with a wooden hammer.
Mr Yang revealed he was very nervous when he heard the sounds and moved close to the spaceship's porthole to investigate the cause.
When he returned to earth he explained the noises to officials with the space programme and tried to imitate it with instruments.
The sound has also been heard by Chinese astronauts who have since been blasted into space.
Mr Yang said: "Before entering space I have told them that the sound is a normal phenomenon, so there is no need to worry."
(http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article9358111.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/UNDATED-FILE-PHOTO-OF-CHINAS-FIRST-ASTRONAUT-YANG-LIWEI.jpg)
Quote from: Eighthman on November 29, 2016, 05:24:31 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/astronauts-space-spooked-mysterious-knocking-9357985
What, no doorbell? Or Welcome Mat? First Contact doesn't seem very inviting.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1bgsee_ancient-aliens-the-nasa-connection-alien-ufo-paranormal-documentary_tv
Similar things have been discussed before on various threads,
Matrix traveller's threads for eg He made claims that we are set as a Program...but with can make our decisions that can create the outcome....
But I also wonder are we destined to what actually happens to us...and I do think some of us have little control to alter our destiny...where as others seem to have some sort of more power to alter their's....
If we are here to learn and do come back time and time again...One wonders WHY....WHO or WHAT determines it ? IF what ever it is that controls us or our destiny ...if they wanted perfect beings.. then why not make us that way ?
Then I read that we may have to come back for 26,000 years if we mess up on some event within the next 3 months.... ???
What the hell is it all about !...
We may try to live on in the hope that we may find out, but it seems very unlikely in this lifetime !
Quote from: Eighthman on November 30, 2016, 05:52:58 PM
In regard to earth being a school, I have pondered on my life and how it sometimes seems scripted - but in a way I have no control over.
So, I have experienced some remarkable synchronicities -yet far beyond anything I could have planned or engineered. All that's left is to ask, 'can I change the script?' and 'if this is about learning or evolution, then what am I being prepared for?'.
A contrary thought is, that if thoughts are naked/telepathic in some realm we are bound to enter, then what's the point of developing here? You think something bad and stop because everyone knows it. World peace instantly. Why did I suffer previously?
Ouija board, Tarrot Cards, and Black Magic ?
witchcraft.. and the occult ?
Are they for real as in the way that we are led to believe in the Movies or on TV Programs or are they just mystical suggestions that may put fear into us ?
The longer i live the more I wonder and have read more about such things in the last 12 months...that at times makes one wonder is it just the negative sides to our Lives...is it the Ying V Yang ? Lightness and darkness ? Positive V Negative ?
There does seem a lot of Evil in the World at all levels...but I think there is more goodness than evil ? but again the older we get the more indepth we may delve into things and raise more concerns..
Also I am sure that those with High Intellect (A smaller % of the Population) will find even more issues compared to the average person...
I have followed some stories of people claiming that they have been targeted by Black Magicians and curses...
I have had my own experiences with the occult and wondered have I been cursed ?
Are there ways to counter it ?
Or is there another World of Dark magic that any of us could enter if we wanted to and know how to go about it ?
or does our consciousness maybe determine our control over it ?
Other outside forces however may prevent our control...
Or are the Powers that be using some form of Mass Mind Control over us to just control us by Fear...
I suspect just having watched TV for some years is able to do that to people who can relate to many of the fearful situations that we watch & observe... without even having to send some sort of Electro magnetic or low frequency sound waves into our brains...
that could control our brain or thought patterns...
They may use such Targeted Waves to certain people who may not have been as much effected by the Media fear methods..
There is also quite a lot more people however who now claim to have brain or body implants......
so I wonder on how big a scale that could be on ?
As a Child upto my early Teenager years...I used to have fear...always being afraid of certain people...or bigger stronger people...
then I seemed to loose it for a few years...maybe almost totally !... when Martial Arts became on the Scene !...as it taught how the smaller weaker people could level with the bigger at least in some physical ways...if you were able to train and develop...
and my memories of that really were like freedom...
But then some situation occurred that took me on a journey of becoming more and more aware of fear...to almost paranoia ..
Completely the opposite as I once was..
but Martial Arts at the Physical level did not teach you how to deal with the Intellect and Psychological or certain mental situations...
of which seems to vary so much in humans...on a very wide scale..
so dealing with the mental was a totally different ball game ..
and as I have have got older my conclusion so far or my interpretation is that it seems that somethings you cannot overcome...suggesting that you either have such abilities or you don't...and it maybe ones brain or mind is armed or not with what it takes...and I don't think its all just based upon experience..
often many things seem down to accuracy and mental speed in ones thought processes...
but that may just be when dealing in normal everyday life...with various levels of peoples intellects..
Not dealing with any evil forces that may also exist..or that have been created by such people as certain Controllers in our world...
such as " The Powers that be " or Elite...or dictators..or large mass groups / gangs....or even small groups..
they become beyond ones ability to overcome ones fear for the average person....
In such cases, I wonder how we all have not all had complete nervous / mental breakdowns !
We spend a lot of thought energy and effort trying to avoid many a situation..and are unable to deal with many things that maybe at one time we could have before we became more aware of such fears..
Is it best to be taught by our parents how to avoid many such concerning issues or certain things early in ones life or is it maybe better to let us lean from our experiences as we go along..
This no doubts varies on our backgrounds and fortunes..
but no doubt many a thing even our parents never was aware about !
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on December 01, 2016, 03:53:25 AM
I understand Seeker, but your Comment, "all the reader does is interpret the cards and their relevance in each of the ten positions.." leads me to believe that your open to interpretation. Which is not what I want.
All well and good, free choice and free will; but by the same analogy listening to anybody about anything, from a teacher in school to a doctor practicing medicine must therefore be in the same category, since you are listening to their interpretation and being influenced by what you are hearing...
we all must walk our own path and make our own choices; but a wise man gathers information and seeks advice and answers lest he walks blindly off the cliff...
Seeker
Quote from: the seeker on December 01, 2016, 01:17:20 AM
Your mother was wise, sarge; quija board use opens a portal to let anything come to you...
Does the ouija board does that by itself or only when used?
Quote from: ArMaP on December 01, 2016, 12:16:13 PM
Does the ouija board does that by itself or only when used?
only when used, Armap; the best thing is to not have one period and my suggestion to anyone that has one is to burn it, for once it has been used it is charged with energy and active, like a capacitor or condenser in an electrical circuit...
Seeker
Quote from: the seeker on December 01, 2016, 11:51:58 AM
All well and good, free choice and free will; but by the same analogy listening to anybody about anything, from a teacher in school to a doctor practicing medicine must therefore be in the same category, since you are listening to their interpretation and being influenced by what you are hearing...
we all must walk our own path and make our own choices; but a wise man gathers information and seeks advice and answers lest he walks blindly off the cliff...
Seeker
All well and true, Seeker. But trusting to the luck of the draw is not my cup of tea. I'd rather stack the deck...lololol
Rock
QuoteMr Yang revealed he was very nervous when he heard the sounds and moved close to the spaceship's porthole to investigate the cause.
When he returned to earth he explained the noises to officials with the space programme and tried to imitate it with instruments.
The sound has also been heard by Chinese astronauts who have since been blasted into space.
Mr Yang said: "Before entering space I have told them that the sound is a normal phenomenon, so there is no need to worry."
After reading the above statement that it has occurred on more than one flight it suggests that this phenomena is probably due to some aspect of the chinese built space capsule rather than an outsider screwing with them...perhaps due to expansion and contraction as the capsule travelled from sunlight into the earth's shadow...
Seeker
Quote from: ArMaP on December 01, 2016, 12:16:13 PM
Does the ouija board does that by itself or only when used?
My experience suggests that when it is used in the same place repeatedly over a long period of time, it wears a localised hole in the partition that seperates physical reality and the realm of the dead. The problem with said hole is that is also general and uncontrolled; anything that wants to can come through.
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Quote from: ArMaP on December 01, 2016, 12:16:13 PM
Does the ouija board does that by itself or only when used?
Only when used...
Most people that dabble in occult things are just playing around, may not even believe it really.
Take the Crystal healers... we get many at the gem shows that are what we call 'heally feelies' These people run their hands through a box of tumbled rocks and can "feel" the energy
What they don't seem to grasp is that tumbled rocks have no crystal structure to channel any real energy
Take a Ruby Crystal for example... when we 'channel' light through it the light is amplified and becomes a LASER But the caveat here is that we need MAN MADE crytals that are pure in order to get good results. Same as the quartz crystal that is the clock in your computer.
Crystals are inert. It is only when you channel energy through it that they do any kind of work
Same thing with occult items... they are focusing tools only, like a lens that you can focus the sun's rays with and start a fire
I know one case years ago when I was starting all my research, of someone who gazed into a crystal ball.... he fell in as it were... he did not learn the controls and safety warnings so literally lost his mind...
You can be a skeptic, but any simple research will show that suck things do indeed exist... like poltergeist activity... which is generally uncontrolled energy released by a child before they have learned that they can't do those things :P
Have an old book of spells on the bookshelf is cool... not until you invoke those spells will the trouble start.
Quote from: petrus4 on December 02, 2016, 03:36:56 AM
My experience suggests that when it is used in the same place repeatedly over a long period of time, it wears a localised hole in the partition that seperates physical reality and the realm of the dead. The problem with said hole is that is also general and uncontrolled; anything that wants to can come through.
There are many Hollywood shows on "Haunted Artifacts" the latest Warehouse 13 is pretty good. It seems that over time energy can get attached to objects That is how some psychic are able to read things from them.
I was offered one of those once back in Toronto... An antique dealer had a ring claimed to be from King Tut's tomb... She only wanted 50.00 for it :P but she did say the last 4 owners died of mysterious causes... I passed :P But did get a nice copy of the Babylon financial secrets tablets :D
Quote from: zorgon on December 02, 2016, 11:45:56 AM
There are many Hollywood shows on "Haunted Artifacts" the latest Warehouse 13 is pretty good. It seems that over time energy can get attached to objects That is how some psychic are able to read things from them.
Energy can and does get fixed to the energy of objects and people also, can be sensed...the great tragic battlefields of the Civil War such as Gettysburg have the emotional energy of the battle attached to the physical location and surroundings and is easily felt even today...
when Alderon was destroyed by the death star Obi-wan felt the surge of energy thru the force; just a movie scene but more truth lies therein than fiction, for spikes of emotional energy do effect the energy fields around them; repeated energy spikes at the same location over time leave a definite signature that can be felt at places like Auschwitz...
Seeker
Quote from: the seeker on December 02, 2016, 12:26:27 PM
Energy can and does get fixed to the energy of objects and people also, can be sensed...the great tragic battlefields of the Civil War such as Gettysburg have the emotional energy of the battle attached to the physical location and surroundings and is easily felt even today...
when Alderon was destroyed by the death star Obi-wan felt the surge of energy thru the force; just a movie scene but more truth lies therein than fiction, for spikes of emotional energy do effect the energy fields around them; repeated energy spikes at the same location over time leave a definite signature that can be felt at places like Auschwitz...
Seeker
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On a serious note regarding calling upon names to "banish" stuff.
Whatever works for you, from personal and others experiences it is a matter of firm command.
If you truly believe that saying "green table" will work, it will.
Now on the Chinese astronaut , is it me or this man looks absolutely defeated to his core?
Quote from: lolos on December 02, 2016, 12:57:54 PM
On a serious note regarding calling upon names to "banish" stuff.
Whatever works for you, from personal and others experiences it is a matter of firm command.
If you truly believe that saying "green table" will work, it will.
It is a matter of belief and faith in it working; as Yoda sez "Do or do not, there is no try"
QuoteNow on the Chinese astronaut , is it me or this man looks absolutely defeated to his core?
Does appear to have been under a lot of stress and about done...
wouldn't you be if you were the first Chinese guinea pig, er, astronut?
8)
Seeker
Quote from: zorgon on December 02, 2016, 11:40:24 AM
You can be a skeptic, but any simple research will show that suck things do indeed exist... like poltergeist activity... which is generally uncontrolled energy released by a child before they have learned that they can't do those things :P
I am more sceptic of buildings on Mars than of things like these. :)