Pegasus Research Consortium

So after having been in bed with gout for a few days, I decide to get up and back on the computer, and browse Reddit's /r/conspiracy.  After downvoting and burying various pieces of rubbish, (relating to Obama's birth certificate, about which I truly do not care; claims that the English Royal Family are lizard people who sit down on a daily basis to a nice evening meal of human flesh; and some lunatic on another conspiracy forum who claims to be an Earth-born extraterrestrial from Antarctica, complete with the usual deranged rantings about Nibiru) I came across this truly noteworthy gem:-

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5inv2p/theory_white_people_have_higher_iqs_because_they/

A few days ago, while browsing Facebook, I also had the wonderful good fortune of coming across this:-

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftheintercept.com%2F2016%2F12%2F07%2Famerica-belongs-white-men-alt-right-founder-says%2F&h=yAQFtyNP3&s=1

Apparently we are far enough away from World War 2 now, that a sizeable portion of the population, have forgotten just how socially and politically dangerous these sorts of attitudes can be.  I am a long way from being a social justice warrior; but aside from it being ugly in general terms, the main reason why I abhor this sort of thinking, is because I know exactly where it leads.  You will note, of course, that in the process of rehabilitating the image of fascism, denial of Auschwitz was the very first step they took.  That is not a coincidence.

I am also aware of the existence of an undercurrent of seperatist lesbianism within the progressive Left, which has stated a literal desire for humanity to become a single-gender, women only species.  If anything, I condone said seperatist lesbianism even less than I do the cause of white male supremacy; (given that I am a white man myself) but the point is that both are potentially lethal extremist groups who advocate the subjugation and/or murder of other segments of society who they view as their opposition.

I've spent more than three years on 4chan, and I've grown used to seeing (and attempting to ignore) the above kind of vomit there.  What is really disturbing, however, is the degree to which this sort of thinking seems to be becoming mainstream, on both sides of the political spectrum.  Apparently if we don't like someone now, it's considered appropriate to want to erradicate them completely from the face of the Earth.

I'd prefer not to see history repeat itself.  I wasn't around for WW2, and that is something for which I am grateful.  I am not necessarily expecting Utopia any more, but the ability to avoid witnessing attempts at mutual genocide or gendercide would be nice.

It's the lack of a fully developed economy that's the problem.  As in WW2, people turn on each other when pushed by privation and hopelessness.

The US and western word could break up in all sorts of ways - and will... if this fundamental issue isn't dealt with. 

I share your concerns Petrus.

Quote from: Eighthman on December 16, 2016, 02:27:03 PM
It's the lack of a fully developed economy that's the problem.  As in WW2, people turn on each other when pushed by privation and hopelessness.

The US and western word could break up in all sorts of ways - and will... if this fundamental issue isn't dealt with.

This situation has been orchestrated and developed to this point starting back in the 1960's; the puppet masters have been in almost complete control until now, and there is still much that can be done to change the course of events...

Seeker

Personally, I think the rise of white nationalism can be directly attributed to the blanket acceptance of reverse racism against whites. I had to swallow decades of this kind of abuse. A person can only internalize so much before it bursts out in anger.

Apologists and others have been strongly supported in their offensive behaviors by the Left. There have not been consequences equal to those imposed on whites. In our society today, it is okay to say and do nasty things to white people.

I hate cliches, but it's the old "two wrongs don't make a right".

This brings to mind the hypocrisy in the use of the "N" word. If you want a word dropped from the common vernacular, stop using it. The refusal to stop using it tells those who are forbidden from using it that it is still okay to use it.

Let me expand on this reverse racism.  I have suffered far too much aggravation in a technical trade trying to deal with black males who cannot do their jobs. Not once but again and again.

There, I've said it.... when no one will.  No, they are not inherently inferior.  Too many have been empowered into positions that they do not merit and the rest of us suffer with their incompetence.  Oddly, I haven't experienced the same oft repeated problem with black females. This problem would not exist if they were all held to the same standards without pretending.  Does our President come to mind? (perhaps you could argue that he was held to Bush standards !) Condi Rice is a hard woman but I'd put her way ahead of Obama.

And yes, I know a few such males who are outstanding and I enjoy working with.  As MLK said, not by the color of skin but by the content of character.  Sorry if this offends.

We've all had our respective experiences over the years. I don't think we should apologize for sharing them.

I'm sure I will be blown out of the water for this, but I found over 30 years that the worst drivers are women and the extreme elderly. Young males do extremely stupid things. They do not think about the consequences of their actions. They jump right in.

Ever see the videos on YT of failures or the numerous TV programs featuring videos of people doing dumb things? Nine out of ten times it's a male. Then there's "Jackass".

I rest my case on that.

As far as certain communities are concerned, I've had to work with two people who have made the work environment unbearable in different ways.

Number One was very personable, but turned out to be dealing drugs on the side. His house was torched, which initiated an investigation and his subsequent firing. He moved to Washington state where, two years later, someone blew his head off with a shotgun during a deal gone bad.

Number Two was not up to the task, insubordinate, and verbally abusive to everyone. No one liked him because of this. He filed a discrimination complaint, which was investigated and dismissed as having no merit.

He moved to another department where he did the same thing. I don't know what happened to him.

I am happy to say that one man was a complete gentleman and an amazing colleague. I was sorry to see him leave, but his objective was to gain experience in various areas and moving to a different agency achieved that goal.

I also worked with another man who was very personable and liked to solve every problem by talking to those involved. He had a hard time making decisions, but we liked him so much that we worked as a team to help him.

He used to bum teabags from me.   :)

Everyone seems to forget that most of the GODS were WHITE :P 

Even the native Americans have "The great WHITE Spirit"

The Vedic gods were white save for the Elephant headed one and the Blue guy

The Egyptian gods were white except that Green guy osiris and a bunch with animal heads  (I think Anubis was black

The Norse gods, the Roman gods, the Greek gods  all whites
Zoroaster is white (Persian women are REALLY white  not pink like we are :P )

The animal head theme though is pretty common in all religions  The Annuaki, the Mayans, the Inca, the olmecs  all had animal headed white gods

There was also a white guy with kinky, white hair, but I can't remember who he was.

Lol, this is ridiculous.

You racist people are ridiculous.

What are the fruits of the white man? Or the white Gods for that matter?

This s.h.i.t tip?

The mixing of the cultures , and free movement up to the point of unsustainability has obviously been engineered. No doubt by Fabian Liberals, but you reactionaries on the far right are doing nought but playing into the hands of Hegelians.

Ha... Reactionaries at best, deluded, stead fast supremacists at worse.

If we were so superior, we wouldn't be in this predicament.

I've no doubt that you people are just as deluded, if not more so, than Joe Average.

At least Joe Average doesn't hand himself over the mystery schools, and throw all free thought out the window. Joe Average knows that thoughts like yours are dangerous, and are not ethical outside of your own strange interpretations of reality. Joe Average knows that Hitler was one crazy mother f.u.c.ker.

Joe Average thinks that its really rather odd that you feel the need to censor swear words, but not your own maniacal, genocidal beliefs.

Thanks for the blanket label. I don't think I've earned it though, and no one should be punished or labeled for presenting personal experiences or stating facts.

Others have had experiences that differ from yours. That doesn't give you the right to judge their attitudes or beliefs.

Everyone has a reason for who they are and how they think.

im not stalking, but ive monitored some of the sites sinny goes to.i see her point of view due to the influences around her and respect her opinion.

one thing thats really shocked me is her vocabulary has gone through the roof.i wish my vocabulary was on par with her.she is my favorite female researcher and i wish she was back full time on pegasus.shes really good at research.like a hound on focus of the prey.

i dont agree with her viewpoint on this though.
theres somebody out there really stirring the gay agenda.
i suspect this is for population reduction ,and its working.
now im not saying all gay people are tards but a very high majority are,sprinkled with a few real geniuses.

on the race thing,its a loop formula,we beat them down for being stupid,this hinders the whole black society,which keeps them in poverty,which hinders them more,then these folks have children and the loop continues.
i hate to say it but uncle tomming them is the only way to do it,but that goes for all lesser races and classes.
ive recently become friends with some doctors in science,they rub off on me.
but i also see their blind spots.becoming a professional creates blindspots.
as they focus just on their specialty.
as a liberal arts.im able to tie lots of things together,jack of all trades,master of none.
imho.

See that is the problem 

WHITE people can't talk about white people, being white or white history without someone calling them RACIST

There are black people and there are NIGGERS... most sane people can tell the difference :P Even sane black people can point out the difference  Screw the political correct BS  Look where that has got us today.  Racism was almost wiped out in the US until obama and crew dragged it over the coals. His agenda and supporting a terrorist group like BLM that is calling blacks to shoot whites set us back a hundred years or more.

But sane peopl can see through the BS  My foot docter is a black lady... has been doing a fine job of taking care of my wounds with FREE clinical studies and I get paid $75.00 a week to boot... How DARE you call me racist because I post a comment on White Gods

Get over yourself Sinny :P

Quote from: petrus4 on December 16, 2016, 12:22:05 PM.
Apparently if we don't like someone now, it's considered appropriate to want to erradicate them completely from the face of the Earth.

Funny you say that becaus ethat is exactly what RADICAL Islam wants to do to any and all non Muslims

One of the main reasons we are seeing this White Supremacy crap rearing its head is because the Muslim 'refugee' hords that are invading Europe (and America :P ) are raping and pillaging and literally destroying the european way of life  AFTER those Europeans opened their doors to let them in.  I am not talking true refugees   I am talking about the military age buff young men...

When people see that the government is not doing anything about it to protect the people and their way of life, when indeed people like Merkle in Germany and Obama in the US are encouraging it... then the first reactionaries will be the groups like KKK and similar NAZI like clans

When you hear stories like this one  from supposely PEACEFUL Muslims... over a school holiday...

Muslim Parent Warns School Board 'We're Going to Be the Majority Soon' as Meeting Gets Heated and Security Is Needed
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/22/were-going-to-be-the-majority-soon-security-gets-involved-as-school-board-meeting-gets-heated-over-muslim-holiday/

... you are going to get REACTIONS that are not pretty

When a Muslim kid builds a suitcase clock that LOOKS like a bomb. and a teacher reports it as suspicious, and that kid gets to go to the Whitehouse while the teacher, who was told to report anything suspicious gets chastized instead, you are going to get reactions that are not pretty.

In the end the kid didn't build anything  he bought it at radio shack... his sister had been kicked out of school for making a bomb threat, and the parents tried to sue for 185,000 for wrongful arrest... then after that said "Screw America we are going back to Quatar"

You are going to get reactions that are not pretty.


Same with the Black Lives Matter terrorist group. They get invited to the Whitehouse but call for killing whites. Seriously? You don't think that might cause some reactions that are not pretty?

QuoteI'd prefer not to see history repeat itself.  I wasn't around for WW2, and that is something for which I am grateful.  I am not necessarily expecting Utopia any more, but the ability to avoid witnessing attempts at mutual genocide or gendercide would be nice.

Yes it would be nice... but unless we find a way to diffuse the Black and the muslim issues,  expect it to get worse

Religious Fanatics and Racial Fanatics are as bad as Stupid People... you cannot reason with them... here is a great quote:

(https://scontent.flas1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15590104_10208243484144576_2953989405929702080_n.jpg?oh=9adc98dc21baedbd4b2cf19a8da88f18&oe=58E16C48)

amen zorgon,shout it from the rooftop onto deaf ears.

the counter claim is if you dont stand for something then you fall for anything.
or an open mind causes brains to fall out.
or conspiracy theory is a bad thing.

we can only do what we can do.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/magazine/16Sunstein-t.html


gives me chills.

Quote from: zorgon on December 17, 2016, 04:03:48 AM
Everyone seems to forget that most of the GODS were WHITE :P

Not all of them, Zorgon. ;)

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2234/2279720960_b2bb5b069f_b.jpg)

QuoteThe Vedic gods were white save for the Elephant headed one

That would be Lord Ganesha; and yes, I don't think I've ever seen a black rendition of him.  He actually has very pink energy.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-J146d28qS0o/UizLFI4AyHI/AAAAAAAAAZE/lQdOKbkaHLI/s1600/lord-ganesha-72a.jpg)

Quote(I think Anubis was black

Yinepu (Anubis) can go either way.  My statue is white, but there are black ones.

Quote from: zorgon on December 17, 2016, 09:00:43 AM
I am not talking true refugees   I am talking about the military age buff young men...

I've often said that Islam's main problem is 15-35 year old men.  While you do at times see imperialistic attitudes among their women as well, they aren't usually as well positioned to act on said attitudes.  I was in Melbourne a few months ago and saw more hijabs than I ever had in my life.  It genuinely scared me; but not because of the women themselves.  It was because I know that where there are Muslim women, there are going to be Muslim men; and it is the men who are primarily the issue.  It's the men who form Sharia patrols and who go out raping and burning cars.

The only female demographic in society who I consider a threat to my own wellbeing now, are seperatist lesbians.  I've learned that I can be as close a friend with any woman as I like, as long as a} I don't try and have sex with them, and b} I recognise and make concessions for the fact that there are areas in which men will accept me, that women never will.

It's also completely true that, theologically speaking, Islam is largely a form of indefensible, totalitarian barbarism.  Muslim states are formed by immigration, conquest, and force; not because the religion remotely has genuine merit.  So it's completely predictable to me that a Muslim parent in that linked story would talk about being the majority soon; because that is their traditional modus operandi.  Islamic behaviour in that sense, does literally resemble that of the Borg Collective; they use slow immigration, their higher birth rate, and ultimately demography to wipe opposing groups out.  That may be a politically incorrect truth, but it is the truth nonetheless.

Here's some more politically incorrect truth.  The reason why Muslims are potentially going to end up overwhelming Europe and America demographically, is feminism.  The two main forms that that has taken, are abortion, and the reproduction tax known as alimony or child support.  I've said in the OP that I do not condone white supremacy, and I don't; but the female-centric political Left are also transparently suicidal.

QuoteSame with the Black Lives Matter terrorist group.

I'm aware that BLM are a Soros-funded farce.  It's just a shame that they apparently aren't aware of it themselves.

Quote from: robomont on December 17, 2016, 09:21:45 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/magazine/16Sunstein-t.html


gives me chills.

QuoteBut Sunstein wants to use OIRA to make regulations more supple, not less robust.

This sentence is an example of why, on discovering that they were in the marketing industry, Bill Hicks once told one of his audience members to kill themselves.

Quote from: petrus4 on December 17, 2016, 10:12:31 AM
Not all of them, Zorgon. ;)

I mentioned the Blue guy and the elephant head :P  And the Green guy Osiris :P

Quote from: zorgon on December 17, 2016, 08:32:13 AM
There are black people and there are NIGGERS...

Just curious, what's the equivalent name for white people?

Quote from: Irene on December 17, 2016, 05:36:43 AM
Thanks for the blanket label. I don't think I've earned it though, and no one should be punished or labeled for presenting personal experiences or stating facts.

Others have had experiences that differ from yours. That doesn't give you the right to judge their attitudes or beliefs.

Everyone has a reason for who they are and how they think.

I grant myself the right to judge.

As for everyone having a reason to believe the things they do, does the fact that you were born white have anything to do with the matter?

What if you were born black? Or Eastern?

What would your beliefs be then?

The fact is, white supremacists are only white supremacists because they had the advantage of being born white, and are stupid enough to buy into convenient narratives of grandeur.

As Hitler once said regarding Himmler's obessive quest to excavate grandeur Germanic history; "why is he drawing attention to the fact that we don't have a history?"

Unable to shape their own independent identity, they'd rather latch onto one that has been manufactured for them.

I can remember trying to be fair in my own mind, in high school, while they played films such as "Blacks Have Made America Great".

I would think, "so, that's it? All of it? Sheesh !".   Given that racism was dominant, of course our development is going to be almost entirely white.  The current horror is idiots rejecting the fine principles of our Founding Fathers instead of saying, 'the only thing wrong with these guys is that they needed to apply these freedoms to everybody'.

There is a need to go back to the spirit of MLK - which, to me, was the greatest moral movement of several centuries.

Why stop with whites?  The rest of the world pretty much went nowhere until Judeo-Christian culture kicked into high gear on technology. The Buddhists, Animists and others are playing catch up.  Confucian and Muslim cultures invented a few nice things and then went into a coma.  I hate this multicultural BS.

Quote from: Irene on December 17, 2016, 01:37:08 AM
Personally, I think the rise of white nationalism can be directly attributed to the blanket acceptance of reverse racism against whites.

What blanket acceptance?

Surely the election of Trump, Britons Brexit and the rise of the far right across Europe disproves your point.

QuoteI had to swallow decades of this kind of abuse. A person can only internalize so much before it bursts out in anger.

That's just what the social engineers wanted. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

The fact that you can't transcend such emotional manipulation speaks volumes.. about your own level of understanding and maturity.

QuoteApologists and others have been strongly supported in their offensive behaviors by the Left.

Wait, are we talking political ideologies or race? Because you seem to be conflating them both.

QuoteThere have not been consequences equal to those imposed on whites.

What does this mean?
Yes, in America there's been a liberal agenda to unite various minorities to create a patchwork majority..  but that has been the agenda of your own white liberal Establishment.. but you want to blame the poor and uneducated minorities themselves? It's nought but cyclical thinking, confirmation bias. 

QuoteIn our society today, it is okay to say and do nasty things to white people

Erm, no its not. That's just one narrative which is politically beneficial to some.

Quote
I hate cliches, but it's the old "two wrongs don't make a right".

This brings to mind the hypocrisy in the use of the "N" word. If you want a word dropped from the common vernacular, stop using it. The refusal to stop using it tells those who are forbidden from using it that it is still okay to use it.

Your opinions are wrought with presuppositions and logical fallacies.

Well done!

Quote from: petrus4 on December 17, 2016, 11:24:27 AM
I've often said that Islam's main problem is 15-35 year old men.  While you do at times see imperialistic attitudes among their women as well, they aren't usually as well positioned to act on said attitudes.

Lol! Trust me, the rest of the world thinks the same about all your American SERVICE MEN. You've done dought but rape and pillage your way across the globe, as you attempted to become an imperial power your selves.

QuoteI was in Melbourne a few months ago and saw more hijabs than I ever had in my life.  It genuinely scared me; but not because of the women themselves.  It was because I know that where there are Muslim women, there are going to be Muslim men; and it is the men who are primarily the issue.  It's the men who form Sharia patrols and who go out raping and burning cars.

The only female demographic in society who I consider a threat to my own wellbeing now, are seperatist lesbians.

Lol, and what would they want with you? What are their numbers? Do they pose a legitimate threat? Or are you just being a fanny?!

QuoteI've learned that I can be as close a friend with any woman as I like, as long as a} I don't try and have sex with them, and b} I recognise and make concessions for the fact that there are areas in which men will accept me, that women never will.

It's also completely true that, theologically speaking, Islam is largely a form of indefensible, totalitarian barbarism. 

Muslim states are formed by immigration, conquest, and force; not because the religion remotely has genuine merit. 

Hmm.. who does that remind me of?
Oh yea, the Americans!

Quote
So it's completely predictable to me that a Muslim parent in that linked story would talk about being the majority soon; because that is their traditional modus operandi.  Islamic behaviour in that sense, does literally resemble that of the Borg Collective; they use slow immigration, their higher birth rate, and ultimately demography to wipe opposing groups out.  That may be a politically incorrect truth, but it is the truth nonetheless.

And the destruction of the middle East (most recently attributed to terrorists funded and orchestrated by the WHITE Clinton machine) , and ENGINEERED unsustainable migration has nothing to do with it?

I thought you had brains Petrus.

Quote
Here's some more politically incorrect truth.  The reason why Muslims are potentially going to end up overwhelming Europe and America demographically, is feminism.

Lol. Oh how wrong I was. Of course, the whole rise of extremist feminism is part and parcel of the Liberal Lockstep. But the people engineering that Liberal Lockstep are embedded in the American establishment, so... ?

QuoteThe two main forms that that has taken, are abortion, and the reproduction tax known as alimony or child support.  I've said in the OP that I do not condone white supremacy, and I don't; but the female-centric political Left are also transparently suicidal.

I'm aware that BLM are a Soros-funded farce.  It's just a shame that they apparently aren't aware of it themselves.

@armap,maybe cracker,homie,or my personal favorite ,poor white trash,or in my case trailer trash as i live in a trailer house.have a 23 year old car and smoke weed.which to anybody 60 years old or older considers me a white nigger.
and i work very little.

to be a buddhist is just over the top for my neighbors.

one thing i find very interesting from an outsiders point of view is the strong emotion coming from other people and the effect this refugees stuff is doing.
its seems the heat and pressure is on yall too.we americans are feeling it bad.im 49,and what should be the peak of my earning potential and havent had a real job in 16 years.
at this point,i just dont give much of a damn,every once in a while ill try but overall i just dont care anymore.its all turned into one bigass con.
so nowadays i just try to hold onto the few nice things i have and make the best of it that i can.
that why i fight the cops as hard as i can.their prime objective is to strip me of wealth,what crumbs i have are mine and ill go down in flames before i give up even one crumb.

imho,this is all part of the yellowstone agenda .
my guess is for a shield of ice in the northern hemisphere to protect us from an asteroid,while lowering population due to lack of food resources in the future.
how would you do it?
you would promote anti birth.you would consolodate populations into manageable herds,you would get folks use to not having anything.so as to make them highly mobile.you would get them use to multiculteralism.
the thing is,china will be spared due to its geological location.thus all tech moving to china and india.
thats why i say this has all been done before prior to the great flood and china didnt invent all those things,like gun powder,their culture carried them over from the past.
when you look at the caducius,the pyramid tech,vimanas,etc.
we have been through this before its just the flood and thousands of years ,stripped it from us.

Quote from: ArMaP on December 17, 2016, 01:55:57 PM
Just curious, what's the equivalent name for white people?

In Australia they are called "bogans," ArMaP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA8gJoT5yl4

The above song could serve as a cultural primer, if you are interested.  I experienced some conflict with these people while living in Sunbury in the early 2000's; I was nearly murdered by them twice.

Quote from: Sinny on December 17, 2016, 03:33:20 PM
I thought you had brains Petrus.

This is actually gratifying.  I'm now held in contempt by people apparently representing both the Left and the Right on this forum.  I suppose that I can conclude from that, at least hopefully, that I'm closer to objectivity than either of you.

first rule of logical discussion,play nice yall.

"The Muslim's plan for word domination is to breed is out"

RoFL.

I stand by my assertions.

Quoteim not stalking, but ive monitored some of the sites sinny goes to.

Robo,

If you're monitoring where she goes then you are stalking her.

Quote from: Sinny on December 17, 2016, 02:14:01 PM
I grant myself the right to judge.

As for everyone having a reason to believe the things they do, does the fact that you were born white have anything to do with the matter?

What if you were born black? Or Eastern?

What would your beliefs be then?

The fact is, white supremacists are only white supremacists because they had the advantage of being born white, and are stupid enough to buy into convenient narratives of grandeur.

As Hitler once said regarding Himmler's obessive quest to excavate grandeur Germanic history; "why is he drawing attention to the fact that we don't have a history?"

Unable to shape their own independent identity, they'd rather latch onto one that has been manufactured for them.

There are black supremacists too. We just don't call them that because no one wants to admit it in our current politically correct climate.

Quote from: petrus4 on December 17, 2016, 04:26:43 PM
In Australia they are called "bogans," ArMaP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA8gJoT5yl4

The above song could serve as a cultural primer, if you are interested.  I experienced some conflict with these people while living in Sunbury in the early 2000's; I was nearly murdered by them twice.

thats 1/3 of the usa white population.roflmao.since i hate flipflops and dont drink,im not in that catagory.whew....id fit in ,in australia,yeah!

Race , color of skin, seems to be a big problem for some who deem it so. I don't remember being given a choice on what color my skin would be? So in my mind it is what it is .... period. What I truly do not understand is white people who seemingly find the need to turn on other white people and attach a "worthless label" to the whole lot. For what reason?

White people are the only race I see do this, I have never seen, for instance A black person turn against black people, seemingly just for the hell of it. In these cases it appears to me "something else" going on.......When the need to turn on your own color(or lack of) to say others of color are more worthy?  I have always been under the impression that we are all "Human Beings" no matter what color our skin is. All here for our own personal reasons.

But then I also understand that people that want to cause me and my family Harm are just Not going to be my playmates, nor do I feel compelled to defend them. Not really caring what color of skin they have.

Quote from: Irene on December 17, 2016, 04:43:43 PM
Robo,

If you're monitoring where she goes then you are stalking her.

unless i go there too,lol,actually i lost peggy and had to re find it and found sinny at a same named place but different.i even joined but didnt post,i just found it like two weeks ago and its a slow forum like this one,which i like.but lost it just two days ago.lol.so if thats stalking then call me guilty.but in reality,i was just curious what was there and found sinny there.not my duty to say hi.so read a few post,joined ,then never went back.as i had to wait on admin to approve,and the subject matter was not really of my taste.

Phedre,

I give people the benefit of the doubt unless they prove otherwise. Then it's gloves off.

Quote from: Sinny on December 17, 2016, 04:38:00 PM
"The Muslim's plan for word domination is to breed is out"

RoFL.

I stand by my assertions.

I would be more convinced, Sinny, if you attempted to offer evidence to invalidate my claim, rather than questioning my intelligence.

Quote from: petrus4 on December 17, 2016, 05:37:31 PM
I would be more convinced, Sinny, if you attempted to offer evidence to invalidate my claim, rather than questioning my intelligence.

Amen to that. There appear to be some "issues".

Quote from: Irene on December 17, 2016, 05:02:32 PM
Phedre,

I give people the benefit of the doubt unless they prove otherwise. Then it's gloves off.

I agree Irene.  It depends on Character and Intentions, of an individual or a group, skin color, not so much. Being a good or not so good person,  is pretty much raceless. Actions speak volumes!

I have come to wonder how much trouble from Muslims comes from Islam OR how much trouble comes from Wahabism, one sick version of it.

It simply amazes me how much destruction and hate the Saudis can spread with while western nations pretend its OK.

Quote from: Eighthman on December 17, 2016, 06:04:52 PM
I have come to wonder how much trouble from Muslims comes from Islam OR how much trouble comes from Wahabism, one sick version of it.

It simply amazes me how much destruction and hate the Saudis can spread with while western nations pretend its OK.

If you truly desire to understand ,find yourself a good book on "Sharia Law" only then ,will you know most of the "whys and the hows" of this most ancient , never reformed religion.

There are many photos of Egypt from before the '70's showing women commonly without a hijab/scarf/head covering.  Something changed and I believe it was oil money spreading Wahabism.

Muslims come up with all sorts of crazy interpretations, good and bad, of their religion.  Afghans have rampant homosexuality and can be fanatical otherwise.  To my observations, many Shias seem to invent all sorts of exceptions for idolatry - and adoption of pagan customs.  You can quote Sharia but whose Sharia?

Islam can be quite decentralized. Get rid of the Saudis and we might see 'reform' without calling it that.

Actually, I have intuitively thought that a HUGE opportunity exists to 'marry' (syncretism) the social justice example set by Mohammed together with liberal politics in Muslim nations.

Quote from: Phedre on December 17, 2016, 06:46:16 PM
If you truly desire to understand ,find yourself a good book on "Sharia Law" only then ,will you know most of the "whys and the hows" of this most ancient , never reformed religion.

I don't know the specifics of Islamic theology, but I first started reading the King James version of the Old Testament at around the age of five, (yes, really; there are some things I'm not good at, but other things that I am) so I'm willing to make what is hopefully a reasonably educated guess.

Mosaic law, like the Yassa of Genghis Khan, was introduced within the context of an unusually violent, chaotic, and barbaric society.  Khan and Moses essentially both took that violence and channelled it to specific ends.  Instead of a scenario where people were simply murdered randomly, they were now only to be murdered for specific reasons which were encoded into law.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbcoOqGKFi8

It was basically Dredd's scenario, except around 4,000 years ago, give or take.

This scenario was the Semitic social manifestation of the Age of Aries; the Hellenic manifestation is largely undocumented, but think of it as the precursor period for Rome and Sparta.  The Greeks thought of it as their Age of Heroes; and it would have been a period of extraordinary accomplishment in war, because that is one of Aries' main correspondences.  It's important to understand here that because continual warfare and barbarity are one of Aries' correspondences, advanced technological development is not; the reason being that the damage caused by said wars can be kept strictly localised, and thus not detrimentally affect anyone else.

The problem with Islam and Judaism, then, is that they are Aries age religions or social systems, which still exist at the beginning of Aquarius.  The main reason why this is such a serious problem is because very high levels of technological development do correspond with Aquarius.  Mars is in detriment in Aquarius, and the reason why is because if the two energies were allowed to be more synergistic with each other, Aquarius could use its' technological aptitude to create literal existential threats to all life; which, in the current early stage of course, it still is.

Watch Minority Report and notice the completely non-lethal weaponry of restraint that is used in that film.  That is what law enforcement looks like in Aquarian society.  Murder can not be permissible, and again, the reason why is because Aquarian technology allows for any output to be produced precisely, on an industrial scale, including fascism and death. 

That is what caused the Holocaust.  Hitler was solar Aries, and he wanted to create an "Aryan," master race.  There are no coincidences here; and from a Hermetic or astrological point of view, it's very easy to understand why that went as bad as it did.  Using Aquarian technology and methodology to achieve Arien goals, is not going to accomplish anything other than causing a very large number of people to die.

This background also explains why the Muslims in that article which Zorgon quoted, would have attempted to force that religious holiday on the school.  The majority of Muslims themselves most likely do not understand the genuine context behind their laws, and they simply have the Judge Dredd mentality that said laws must be followed, because if they are not, then complete omnicidal entropy or chaos will supposedly result to the point where humanity can not survive.

The problem is convincing Muslims that this is neither Aries nor Mega City One, and the attitude that general capital punishment as the only means of preventing completing social disintegration, is no longer appropriate.  Adopting that attitude during Aquarius will end in nuclear war, not in the sort of tribal social maintenance that Muslims are accustomed to thinking that it will.

It therefore further needs to be understood that, in most cases, viewing Muslims as the enemy for wishing to implement Sharia is counterproductive.  Their motives for doing so usually arise from a genuine desire for what they view as social cohesion.  The crisis, again, has resulted from their inability to realise that said legal context is no longer relevant.  They are, in effect, living in the past; and attempts to enforce their obsolete legal system will actually cause the opposite result to what they are hoping for.  Greater chaos, not more.

Quote from: petrus4 on December 17, 2016, 07:34:22 PM
The problem with Islam and Judaism, then, is that they are Aries age religions or social systems, which still exist at the beginning of Aquarius.

I'm confused with those 4000 years, age of Aquarius and of Aries. Could you at least say when did those ages start? That would help. :)

People don't have to be "logical" in dealing with theology.  You could argue that religion just isn't rational, anyway.
Rationalizations that defy harsh standards pop up as needs emerge.

I once sincerely believed that the New Testament does not teach hell fire torment.  I now realize such an interpretation is silly and unhistorical - however, people such as Adventists and JWs come up with elaborate explanations that defy plain language as they need to make things consistent and fair in their own minds.

This is called "deconstructionism".  Black can mean white, up can mean down and so on.  You can also elevate one rule about another and do what you really want.  Politicians and criminals excel at this ( "Those damned Russians hacked the election!"  - and exposed utter corruption).

One day, if we are wise enough to leave-Iran-the-hell-alone, you will see a secular, anti-clerical regime in Iran amidst technological development.  Sharia be damned, it can happen without an explicit Reformation.

Quote from: ArMaP on December 17, 2016, 07:49:59 PM
I'm confused with those 4000 years, age of Aquarius and of Aries. Could you at least say when did those ages start? That would help. :)

Aries: 2200 - 150 BCE
Pisces:  150 BCE - 1950 CE

So I was speaking roughly.  There is an article talking about how these dates were established [here](http://cura.free.fr/xxv/21sepp2.html), but I am aware that that will probably be far too vague for your tastes.  I don't claim to know precise dates; I go more by the visible emergence within several cultures, of artistic themes or forms of social organisation which I know match known correspondences for the individual signs.  Rome and Sparta are both a very good fit for Aries, for example; and early Christianity in particular was for Pisces as well.

Quote from: petrus4 on December 17, 2016, 08:42:41 PM
Aries: 2200 - 150 BCE
Pisces:  150 BCE - 1950 CE

So, doesn't that mean that Islam is Pisces?

Quote from: Eighthman on December 17, 2016, 08:39:30 PM
I once sincerely believed that the New Testament does not teach hell fire torment.

The "lake of fire" primarily shows up in Revelations; specifically in reference to a prohibition against sorcery and various other things.  Jesus talks about people being "thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth," and somewhere else there is a reference to a place where "their worm does not die, and their fire is not quenched."

Jesus was a member of a group of rabbinical Jews called the Essenes, who Paul of Tarsus first tried to have beaten up, and then infiltrated on a peaceful pretext when that failed.  The epistles mostly consist of either encrypted histories of that event, Paul's attempts to justify himself after the fact, and James' attempt at refutation of Pauline theology.

Yeshua or Paul? (http://www.essene.org/Yahowshua_or_Paul.htm)

AFAIK Jewish theology does not include Hell in Dante's sense; instead there is fleeting mention in the OT of "She'ol," which from memory was considered a place of "shadow."

Hell as we think of it, which again is primarily derived from Dante, is mostly Hellenic in origin.  Greek mythology mentions a place called Tartarus where numerous notable villains from Greek history were repeatedly tortured in various ways.

Hell is tangentially present within the New Testament, but only very fleetingly; and it is also worth realising that Hell as an entire concept formed the fundamental basis of Catholicism's authority.  The Catholics set up the idea that the reason why you had to obey them, is because if you didn't, first they'd kill you, and then you'd end up in Hell.  The idea of Jesus' death as Vicarious Atonement also originated with Paul; and again, if you read non-Catholic sources, Paul is generally not regarded positively.

It's also worth knowing that Jesus never actually claimed to be the exclusive son of God; he spends a lot of his time, even in the canonical Gospels, talking about how anyone can learn to perform the same acts that he did, if they are willing to do so.  He calls himself "the son of Man," but that is in reference to his very Piscean willingness to serve as a martyr; which I'm inclined to interpret in reference to his rivalry with the Jewish clergy.

Quote from: ArMaP on December 17, 2016, 08:48:44 PM
So, doesn't that mean that Islam is Pisces?

Islam, yes.  I was primarily talking about Moses and Judaism, which I believe is tangentially related to Islam, and I assume would have played an important role in the development of Islamic jurisprudence.

QuoteActually, I have intuitively thought that a HUGE opportunity exists to 'marry' (syncretism) the social justice example set by Mo hammed together with liberal politics in Muslim nations.

In many ways that is happening, making for a very dangerous world, indeed.

There is only one Sharia Law.  Isis is sticking to it very litterally

Until you attempt to at least read about  who Mohammad was, you will have only guessed at answers.

When you mix apples, oranges and grapes you get a nice salad. Not so when you try to mix religions one from the other, you get a mess.

I do wonder also ,where the Zodiac comes into play in any of this ?

Quote from: Phedre on December 17, 2016, 09:16:07 PM
Until you attempt to at least read about  who Mohammad was, you will have only guessed at answers.

I haven't delved into specifics, but my impression is that he was essentially the Arabian answer to Genghis Khan.  Islam spread initially via violent conquest; and these days it does by demographic warfare, as mentioned.

QuoteNot so when you try to mix religions one from the other, you get a mess.

Except that you'll find that pretty much every religion in existence has borrowed stuff from others, to one degree or another.  The exceptions are the really early ones like the indigenous stuff, Zoroastrianism, and Hellenic paganism, which was itself indigenous if you go back far enough.

QuoteI do wonder also ,where the Zodiac comes into play in any of this ?

It does within my own schizotypal cosmology, at least. ;)

only one way to do overview of all religions is to look at the overall theory,karma.
to take gods commandments and say im judge is to steal from god.let god judge.its for us to survive.
imho,able was reincarnated as seth,just as joseph was reincarnated as moses.

if youve never seen cloud atlas,i suggest it,but you need to watch it like 5 times.because its so confusing the first few times.but makes lots of sense.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/

Sharia viewpoints are divergent.  Discreet compromise and interpretation is very possible.

Of the big 3 of the Worlds Religions, Islam is the youngest but with more than likely, at this time with the most people in it. Muhammad, was winging it all the way.

Here is a website that may help.  http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/muhammad/life-of-muhammad.aspx

Quote from: Eighthman on December 17, 2016, 09:36:30 PM
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/

Sharia viewpoints are divergent.  Discreet compromise and interpretation is very possible.

Hopefully that view will continue to be embraced or we are all in deep dodo. The young males tend go for the nastier parts, as written.

That's a poll you have there. Like who is more likely in the different sects are for or against cutting your hands off, for instance.

Quote from: Phedre on December 17, 2016, 10:04:03 PM
The young males tend go for the nastier parts, as written.

I think this is probably for five main reasons.

a}  Although I haven't seen exact figures, I feel fairly safe in assuming that rates of literacy and overall education within the African Islamic countries at least, remain low.  In other words, you've still got people who are being raised a context that is almost identical to the one that Islam first developed in.  If people have lived in the same way for over half a millennia, and have most likely never had experience or exposure to any other paradigm, why would they have any reason to believe anything different?  It's all they've ever known.

b}  The period between puberty and 35 years of age, is when human male physiology is most readily predisposed towards violence.  Muscle tone and biochemical (particularly testosterone) output are at their peak.  It's an irrational, emotionally intense, unstable period in a man's life; I remember it myself.  This is even more true at the younger end of said bracket, because a man has virtually no pre-existing frame of reference or experience to draw on.  So it's the period in life where a man is most likely to engage in unintelligent or reckless behaviour.

c}  A lot of these kids who are flooding into Europe as refugees, have probably never done anything else in their lives before, other than tending fields.  So you've got hundreds of thousands of young, hormonally-filled men, whose only limited prior experience is with a literally Stone Age lifestyle, virtually no education, and probably no clue whatsoever how they are going to support either themselves or any dependents they might have in said countries.  You might respond by saying that they should have stayed in their fields, and I wouldn't disagree with you; but apparently many of them are fleeing from situations like Syria, not to mention the bombed-out graveyard that is contemporary Iraq.

d}  As far as I know, Pakistan, Egypt, and Jordan are the three real ideological strongholds of Islam, outside of the Arab peninsula itself, of course.  Fanaticism is self-perpetuating via peer pressure.  Even if you don't necessarily agree with the opinions of the local fanatics yourself, you're not going to publically disagree with them, because doing so will likely get you killed.  This is how a weaker minded, but more moderate majority, are made to go along with a more aggressive minority.  Even if the sheep are an overwhelming majority, fear will almost always prevent them from rising up against a pathological shepherd.

e}  Islam is a man-centric religion.  Again, I've seen examples of imperialistic behaviour from Islamic women, but generally only towards non-Muslims.  This means that young Islamic men are used to a scenario where they are the center of their social universe, and self-interest is going to predictably motivate them to want to ensure that things stay that way.  Christianity was similarly patriarchic before feminism, as well.

spot on last post petrus and yes i also believe mohamed was winging it.

I have been quietly staying out of this; there is no tidal wave of white supremacy, that statement is utter Bovine Feces...
for most of the last 40 years the blatant racists in this country are black, not white; for 40+ years we have had to endure affirmative action which means if you are not black you do not get hired no matter how qualified you are, and any ignorant dumbass of african descent will, whether they can chew bubble gum and walk at the same time much less have any job skills or even education beyond signing their name...
the white population of the US is still over 70% of the total; the percentage of the population that are actually avowed white supremacists is less than one percent; the majority of we the people are honest working people and are very acceptable and tolerant of all people;
the problem herein stems from points of view from people not living in this country; my suggestion is to bring your highly opinionated ass over here and live in a city like Chicago, or Atlanta, Detroit, spend about 6 months dealing with life here instead of your homeland then voice your opinion from your own personal experience; until then, you are not qualified.

As Zorgon stated, there are good black people that earn their own way and do not have a race card to play for they aren't bigots...I know quite a few of them and am proud to call them friend; but for every one of them there are dozens of damn uppity niggers .

This thread and all it contains is very close to being relegated to the rants and beefs section; this Forum is supposed to be about research and finding information and answers, not socio-political opinionated CRAP.

Subject Closed.

Seeker

Quote from: Eighthman on December 17, 2016, 07:10:13 PM
There are many photos of Egypt from before the '70's showing women commonly without a hijab/scarf/head covering.  Something changed and I believe it was oil money spreading Wahabism.

yes Wahabism is definitely the ROOT of all evil  and the oil money gave them power to push their agenda  Don't forget that that Saudi Wahabis control Mecca.  Wahabism also has it's ties to Zionists

As for the 70's  remeber the Shaw of Iran?   

These are Tehran students in the 70's 

(http://all-that-is-interesting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/shah-iran-tehran-students-copy.jpg)

Iranian girls some in traditional costume

(http://asiasociety.org/files/131209_iran_tourism_photos_08.jpg)

Iranian teens in Tehran

(http://therealrevo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Tehran-ca.-1960s-1970s-10.jpg)

Iranian girls on the beach

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PiPW2ChtCoc/UCxC5Mg_bqI/AAAAAAAAC9Q/BtzO7MLAz3Y/s1600/425062_373778309313167_2029127218_n.jpg)


Then along came THIS guy...

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/7a/55/b8/7a55b81f95f091d7e32b8aace8fad577.jpg)

So NOW girls in Iran look like THIS and looking at those eyes they don't look to happy either

(http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/1153402-3x2-940x627.jpg)

As for Sharia Law  That would give you THIS

(https://idealisticrebel.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/stoningpic.jpg?w=474&h=267)

And these  "The masked women of Iran"

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/3b/b1/98/3bb1982a631448480af3a8becb89a878.jpg)

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ca/98/88/ca98883f770adf091f4e5988136167b6.jpg)


(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/2c/17/93/2c17938820980c4f9d65dffce4bc6ee8.jpg)

Now Sexist Pig that I am... if they MUST cover their face... I am okay with this attire :P

(http://cache.emirates247.com/polopoly_fs/1.290967.1452176287!/image/image.jpg)

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Quote from: the seeker on December 18, 2016, 05:01:21 AM
for most of the last 40 years the blatant rascists in this country are black, not white; for 40+ years we have had to endure affirmative action which means if you are not black you do not get hired no matter how qualified you are, and any ignorant dumbass of african descent will, whether they can chew bubble gum and walk at the same time much less have any job skills or even education beyond signing their name...

I think the problem is a result of people in the US being (apparently) too extremist in every thing. Yes, there was a big racism problem in the US against black people, but forcing things in the opposite way is not the best way of ending that racism. Every problem I see being discussed in the US ends in this type of "solution": it's either forbidden or almost forced into people, as if there was no other way of introducing changes.

Quotethe white population of the US is still over 70% of the total; the percentage of the population that are actually avowed white supremacists is less than one percent; the majority of we the people are honest working people and are very acceptable and tolerant of all people;

That's what they say about Muslims, the small percentage of extremists is what other people talk about, the large majority of people that just want to live their lives in peace is ignored.

Quotethe problem herein stems from points of view from people not living in this country; my suggestion is to bring your highly opinionated ass over here and live in a city like Chicago, or Atlanta, Detroit, spend about 6 months dealing with life here instead of your homeland then voice your opinion from your own personal experience; until then, you are not qualified.

The same thing applies to people from the US giving their opinions about other countries as if they knew them, when some cannot even find them on a world map...  :P

PS: as some of you probably know, Portugal was a colonialist country, with five African colonies (and East Timor) until 1975. Black people in the colonies were considered as second class people, but that way of thinking was not used in Portugal. When those colonies declared their independence, the places where they had a bigger difference between the treatment of black people and white people were the places that had the worst reactions, with some white people being killed by black people, but those that were known for always having been good to black people were protected by their black neighbours. Those ex-colonies (Angola and Mozambique) were also the biggest and, in consequence, the ones where white people represented a smaller percentage of the population, so that's probably why the repression of black people was stronger, as the governing powers probably acted that way to keep black people from feeling equal to the white rulers.

Although we have some racism problems in Portugal (this year I heard a school teacher saying that sometimes, when they are trying to find companies for their students to have some practice of what they learned in the professional courses, the company owners ask what race the students are, because that school is in an area known for having a higher percentage of black people, being in a low income area of the suburbs), it's far from what we see in the US, from both sides, as there's not that "us versus them" mentality between black and white people. We see that mentality used more between different classes than between different races.

To finish my "little" rant, white supremacists are as dangerous as any other supremacists, regardless of race, religion or whatever, as that's just another way of diving the people and creating enemies from people that have no reason for being enemies.

Quote from: zorgon on December 18, 2016, 10:29:35 AM
So NOW girls in Iran look like THIS and looking at those eyes they don't look to happy either

(http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/1153402-3x2-940x627.jpg)

That photo shows women from Ahmedabad, in India, as you can see here (http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/lifematters/veiled-women-in-saudi-arabia/4343774).

QuoteAs for Sharia Law  That would give you THIS

(https://idealisticrebel.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/stoningpic.jpg?w=474&h=267)

The US also has death penalty for murder.

QuoteAnd these  "The masked women of Iran"

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/3b/b1/98/3bb1982a631448480af3a8becb89a878.jpg)

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ca/98/88/ca98883f770adf091f4e5988136167b6.jpg)


(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/2c/17/93/2c17938820980c4f9d65dffce4bc6ee8.jpg)

The boreghehs has been in use on the south of Iran far longer than the Ayatollah's rule.

Dear ArMaP,

QuoteI think the problem is a result of people in the US being (apparently) too extremist in every thing.

Until you have lived in the United States and dealt with the American black you will never understand the dynamic.

Regarding extreme Islam, I don't think our attitudes are out of line. It is a prehistoric religion and will never be anything else as it is interpreted by its radical members. These people are barely out of the cave.

Quote from: Irene on December 18, 2016, 05:12:43 PM
Until you have lived in the United States and dealt with the American black you will never understand the dynamic.

The sentence you quoted is my opinion, based on thousands of posts of people from the US that I have read in the last 12 years (since I joined my first Internet forum) and on discussions I have had during the same time frame, and, as I said, applies to all topics, as it's my opinion about how people in the US react to everything and is not limited to the race situation.

As to "understanding the dynamic", could you be more specific?

QuoteRegarding extreme Islam, I don't think our attitudes are out of line. It is a prehistoric religion and will never be anything else as it is interpreted by its radical members. These people are barely out of the cave.

The problem is not the attitudes regarding extreme Islam, is the fact that those attitudes are (usually) presented against all Islam and not just regarding extreme Islam.

All extreme views of religion are a problem. In fact, extreme views of any thing are usually a problem.

QuoteAs to "understanding the dynamic", could you be more specific?

It doesn't matter that slavery ended in 1865.

It doesn't matter that contemporary whites had/have nothing to do with slavery.

It doesn't matter that the last slave died decades ago.

It doesn't matter that we have Affirmative Action and dozens of other organizations and programs specifically for assisting the black community.

It doesn't matter that we've apologized ad nauseam and are gridlocked at the altar of MLK and Malcolm X.

If you are white, you owe the black.

It is the Planet Guilt on Atlas' shoulders. As long as we are in its gravitational pull nothing will improve.

Quote from: Irene on December 18, 2016, 05:57:48 PM
If you are white, you owe the black.

That's exactly what I was talking about when I talked about the extreme views people have in the US. In this specific case, you are either black or white. If you are black you are a victim, if you are white you are responsible for all the wrong black people suffered decades ago.

I love the sheer BS of the corrupt, lying mass media.

I clearly recall the jubilation when Obama was elected.  EU newspapers editorialized about how wonderful the US example was.  Millions of white people voted for him.

Now, a different story emerges.  Suddenly, after such highlighted improvement, the US has a problem with racism. It's everywhere and can never be rooted out.  Democrats divide up nice aggrieved voting blocs for identity politics yet somehow, Republicans are evil if they do the same.

The west is cursed with a cultural idiocy wherein every aspect of nationalism is criticized or compromised while the Elite responsible have no idea how to create prosperity.  And they wonder why people are upset?

Quote from: Eighthman on December 18, 2016, 06:39:38 PM
I love the sheer BS of the corrupt, lying mass media.

I clearly recall the jubilation when Obama was elected.  EU newspapers editorialized about how wonderful the US example was.  Millions of white people voted for him.

Now, a different story emerges.  Suddenly, after such highlighted improvement, the US has a problem with racism. It's everywhere and can never be rooted out.  Democrats divide up nice aggrieved voting blocs for identity politics yet somehow, Republicans are evil if they do the same.

The west is cursed with a cultural idiocy wherein every aspect of nationalism is criticized or compromised while the Elite responsible have no idea how to create prosperity.  And they wonder why people are upset?

Race relations under Obama sharply deteriorated. He took every opportunity to divide the nation along racial lines.

His legacy is that he is a reverse racist.

Quote from: ArMaP on December 18, 2016, 12:46:05 PM
That's what they say about Muslims, the small percentage of extremists is what other people talk about, the large majority of people that just want to live their lives in peace is ignored.

That is true... an I personally know many muslims that are very nice people and muslim women that don't wear any head covering :P  My Morrocan friend Samira (now living in Paris in the Morrocan sector)  is one   That is Samira on the left  a true Berber gal :D

(http://landoflegendslv.com/03ports/mystsofavalon/02Tinaspages/images/members/Endrina/SamiraEndrina1.jpg)

Some people say that the Radical percentage is 19%.. I have no way to chack the figures... but if even only 1% are radicals intent on wiping us off the face of the earth, there are 1.6 billion muslims in the world  That means at the low estimate of 1% you have 1.6 MILLION radicals ready to blow themselves up in the name of Allah

So if we are not vigilant, they WILL infiltrate us... and violence will follow

But the problem is that the PEACEFUL MAJORITY do NOTHING  That has always been the problem..

Bridgette gabrial spells it out  and gets a standing ovation. The way this American Muslim girl injected into the issue and got dressed down is awesome. If all our politcians thought and acted like this we would be a great nation again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_lCrccZG3o

Quote from: ArMaP on December 18, 2016, 01:16:27 PM
That photo shows women from Ahmedabad, in India,

It probably does  The Burkah ois not only worn in Iran :P But it came up in a search for Burhah in Iran and I did not need to verify its source to make a point

Stop picking NITS and derailing the focus :P

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QuoteThe US also has death penalty for murder.

Perhaps... but we don't whip people to near death because they are atheists, like the Saudis do (who seem to be the head of human rights at the UN :P )

QuoteThe boreghehs has been in use on the south of Iran far longer than the Ayatollah's rule.

What is your point?  My point is that such accoutermenst were almost GONE from Iran in the 70's under the Shaw  (he was no saint either :P ) and were brough back under the Ayatollah's rule setting social development back to the dark ages. Of COURSE they were used before...  you tend to have an annoying habit of skirting around the focus and picking on specific examples used merely to illustrate a point

Okay so how about this one? :P THIS one is in Iran. Happy now?  :P

(https://freedomshammer.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/burqa-women-lots-of1.jpg)

Iran's Female Zorro Beats Up Clerics Who Scold Women for "Immodest" Clothing!
https://forsythstories.com/2012/11/13/irans-female-zorro-beats-up-clerics-who-scold-women-for-immodest-clothing/

That. Is. Hilarious.

She beat the crap out of them and left them in their women's underwear, well, one dude anyway.

You can't make this stuff up.   ;D ;D ;D

Whoever she is, she's awesome!

Quote from: zorgon on December 19, 2016, 12:26:31 AM
It probably does  The Burkah ois not only worn in Iran :P But it came up in a search for Burhah in Iran and I did not need to verify its source to make a point

It's true, you do not need to verify your sources to make a point, but you look bad when you do not do it. After all, isn't this supposed to be a research forum? ;)

QuoteStop picking NITS and derailing the focus :P

Get the correct image to make your point and I will stop, as long as you post images that do not represent what you want to say I will pick on them, as that's the same as using fake evidence.

QuotePerhaps... but we don't whip people to near death because they are atheists, like the Saudis do (who seem to be the head of human rights at the UN :P )

You were talking about Iran, now you talk about Saudi Arabia. As you know, they are not the same. :)

QuoteWhat is your point?  My point is that such accoutermenst were almost GONE from Iran in the 70's under the Shaw  (he was no saint either :P ) and were brough back under the Ayatollah's rule setting social development back to the dark ages.

They weren't, the boregheh is a traditional piece on that region of Iran, mostly on the island of Qeshm.

QuoteOf COURSE they were used before...  you tend to have an annoying habit of skirting around the focus and picking on specific examples used merely to illustrate a point

As I said above, use the right images to illustrate your point and I'll stop picking on them. The fact is that women didn't have to use the boregheh because of the Ayatollah's, they already used them, so what's your point?

QuoteOkay so how about this one? :P THIS one is in Iran. Happy now?  :P

(https://freedomshammer.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/burqa-women-lots-of1.jpg)

Are you sure they aren't Jewish women wearing frumkas?  :P
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrIpSFjWcAEsGZM.jpg)

The fact is that women in Iran do not need to cover their face, that's why almost all women you see in photos from Iran are using only a scarf to cover their hair. Also, they should not have their harms and legs uncovered, and the men shouldn't have their legs uncovered.

Quote from: Irene on December 19, 2016, 01:24:48 AM
You can't make this stuff up.   ;D ;D ;D

The story is partially true, but the photo is from Iraq, completely unrelated to the story, as you can see here (http://framework.latimes.com/2011/12/25/times-photographer-on-end-of-iraq-war/#/7).

Here's (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/18/hojatoleslam-ali-beheshti-beat-up-woman-iran_n_1894877.html) confirmation of one attack on a Muslim cleric.

Quote from: ArMaP on December 19, 2016, 01:32:55 AM
It's true, you do not need to verify your sources to make a point, but you look bad when you do not do it. After all, isn't this supposed to be a research forum? ;)

Not the same at all  Using a generic photo to add a visual to a story is not at all the same as fake news... the point is they now wear Burkahs  one Burkah looks the same as any other Burkah so it is simply an illustration

However spending several posts pick on the illustration rather than focusing on the POINT that in the 70's Iran was a better place just does more to drail a topic than help it

Media does it all the time when there is no photo to a specific story  They are called STOCK PHOTOS...

Armap, quit quibbling  :o I knew a bunch of Iranian students back in the 70's when I was attending college, and trust me, they had a lot better life then than they do now, have known quite a few over the years that have escaped and are citizens here; they hated the assahola Khomeni and a lot celebrated his passing...

The sad part about it is Under Muslim tenets and Sharia Law women are not citizens with freedom and rights, they are Slaves...
Not to mention that slavery is alive and well in the middle east...

Seeker

I think at this point, we can safely conclude that to a certain degree, creeping Sharia gonna creep. ;)

The real question is how much, and whether or not a sufficiently large number of Muslims, prefer activities other than impersonating Borg drones, so that we can avoid the Islamic apocalypse.

(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/deadliestfiction/images/3/32/Borg_Drones.jpg)

I really do wish that in at least one episode of Star Trek, we'd seen an Islamic flag draped over the front a Borg Cube in flight.  It would be so very, very appropriate.

(http://nativepakistan.com/wp-content/uploads/Photos-of-Mecca-A-splendid-closeup-view-of-Holy-Kaaba-while-tawaf-in-progress-Pictures-of-Makkah.jpg)

(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/68653/1888186-borg_cube.jpg)

There is a rather disturbing level of resemblance, when you think about it.

I've known about the meme that The Muslims (as opposed to the White Walkers) are Coming for probably five years now.  Every so often, someone will remind me of the imminent end of the world at the hands of the black clad hordes.  I will predictably whip myself up into a temporary frenzy of panic and loathing for a certain period of time, before becoming distracted and going back to doing something else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0LFXbxmGVY

"OH MY GOD, THE MUSLIMS ARE COMING!  THE MUSLIMS ARE COMING!  WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!  WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!  WE HAVE TO WARN THE PLANET!  WE HAVE TO...Hang on, it looks like there's a new version of Minecraft out!"

I'll give them credit for one thing.  As a twist on the usual Zombie Apocalypse meme, they ain't half bad.  "Allah Ackbar," doesn't roll off the tongue quite as satisfyingly as "Resistance is Futile," though.

Gold for the "Star Trek" reference.   ;D :P ;D

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/christian-christmas-snowy-iran/ri18259

Christmas in Iran.  There is hope for Iran if they leave it alone.  I sometimes think that's why Israel hates Iran so much - because they see it progressing while the Saudis decay.

You bring up an interesting point. I have thought for some time that the Israelis do quite a bit of s***-stirring on their own over there.

I hate the jaded viewpoint that they are entirely innocent.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/hopeless-afghan-struggle-save-boy-sex-slaves-062614093.html

And then we have Afghanistan.  A violent area pretending to be a nation that is repellent in its immorality.  Does immoral sound out dated?  I can't imagine anything worse than a culture that broadly rapes and murders children - besides sudden murders of immediate friends and allies for whatever notion comes into their heads (ask NATO soldiers about trying to train them).

It needs to be exposed to the world - see if they can shame a Muslim culture (or international umma) into taking any action about it.  Fat chance, huh?

Quote from: zorgon on December 19, 2016, 09:36:43 AM
However spending several posts pick on the illustration rather than focusing on the POINT that in the 70's Iran was a better place just does more to drail a topic than help it

The fact that it was a better place doesn't mean that we can say things that are not true about them, right? My point was that women are not forced to use burkahs in Iran and posting those photos implies that they are.

QuoteMedia does it all the time when there is no photo to a specific story  They are called STOCK PHOTOS...

I don't agree with how media uses it either. :)

Quote from: the seeker on December 19, 2016, 02:10:11 PM
The sad part about it is Under Muslim tenets and Sharia Law women are not citizens with freedom and rights, they are Slaves...

They do have rights, although much less than on "western" countries.

QuoteNot to mention that slavery is alive and well in the middle east...

It's everywhere.

Quote from: ArMaP on December 19, 2016, 09:17:42 PM
They do have rights, although much less than on "western" countries.

Sure they do, Armp; they have the right to be attacked and raped at any moment unless they are accompanied by a male member of their household to protect them...

Quote
It's everywhere.

Not as a legal institution, not in the US and the western countries...

There are many places over there where you can walk into a public auction and buy a slave, dude, and that is not cool, not anywhere.

Seeker

Quote from: the seeker on December 19, 2016, 09:30:25 PM
Sure they do, Armp; they have the right to be attacked and raped at any moment unless they are accompanied by a male member of their household to protect them...

I was talking about real rights.

QuoteNot as a legal institution, not in the US and the western countries...

There are many places over there where you can walk into a public auction and buy a slave, dude, and that is not cool, not anywhere.

OK, in which countries is legal to buy slaves?

Keeping boys as sex slaves in Afghanistan is illegal and the law is meaningless.  Saudi's engage in trafficking regardless of any law.

And then we have honor killing.  Hamas members in Gaza killed a young woman for talking to a man they didn't know. Turns out he was a close relative (oops! are we embarrassed).

Quote from: Eighthman on December 20, 2016, 12:02:08 AM
And then we have honor killing.  Hamas members in Gaza killed a young woman for talking to a man they didn't know. Turns out he was a close relative (oops! are we embarrassed).

Sadly, honour killing happens in many countries.

Quote from: ArMaP on December 20, 2016, 12:09:04 AM
Sadly, honour killing happens in many countries.

Well this has very little do do with honor at ANY level.

This woman was accused of burning a copy of the Qu'ran...

This is what happens with mob violence...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6GQ5firEmw

After she was dead it was found that she did not burn a Qu'ran and was declared innocent.

Already all across Europe we are seeing rape gangs of young Muslim men who have nothing to do but hang out in gangs seeking trouble.  If these groups are allowed to grow in size, there may be no stopping them just like in this video

There is no progress amongst these people.  You can say all you want the the 'majority' are peaceful... But it takes very little to stir up these mobs. Make no mistake about it... if something isn't done they will over run Europe...

Quote from: zorgon on December 20, 2016, 12:52:20 AM
Well this has very little do do with honor at ANY level.

It has, in a twisted and egotistic way, but it does.

QuoteThis is what happens with mob violence...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6GQ5firEmw

That happens everywhere.

QuoteAfter she was dead it was found that she did not burn a Qu'ran and was declared innocent.

That's why I'm against the death penalty.

QuoteAlready all across Europe we are seeing rape gangs of young Muslim men who have nothing to do but hang out in gangs seeking trouble.  If these groups are allowed to grow in size, there may be no stopping them just like in this video

All across Europe? No. In a few countries, maybe.

QuoteThere is no progress amongst these people.

As long as they see other people as inferior or as their enemies, most people will react like this, and that's why I'm against posts like this, that only serve to spread fear and put people against each other.

QuoteYou can say all you want the the 'majority' are peaceful... But it takes very little to stir up these mobs.

Yes, there's probably some Muslim on a forum saying that there is no progress amongst non-Muslims.  :P

QuoteMake no mistake about it... if something isn't done they will over run Europe...

Do you think that nothing will be done about it?

occurs in many countries?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing

Note how it dominantly involves Muslims......in many countries.  They seem to have a near monopoly on it.

GD barbarians.

I'd have mowed them down with machine guns.

I'm a fascist. Fine.

Quote from: ArMaP on December 20, 2016, 01:35:13 AM
Do you think that nothing will be done about it?

Well i HOPE something is done about it before it becomes a job for vigilantis like the Old West...  but at the moment I am not seeing a lot done about it at government level...

Though I suppose Britain leaving the EU may be 'something' :D

Then there is this kind of thing going on....

There is two parts to this.....

One is the act of these idiots, and then there is the coverup by police.  They are more upset that the video got out than the act itself it seems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0wqa_-0aE4

I would say most of the population has still got their  head buried somewhere south of "reason". In my opinion, ignorance of the religious concepts , the "nasty" bits of Islam is just not widely known.

Geert Wilder of the Netherlands was just convicted of "Hate" crimes because he tried to ring a warning bell to those who have not a clue of what is happening. People get all upset and think one is painting ALL Muslims as terrorists, which of course is NOT true, but people seem to have selective hearing and understanding . It only takes a few to turn our lives into a "crap shoot", every time you go out of the house. Instead of everyone getting together and figuring out how to vet these refugees, to make it safer for all. Instead, I see actions that make the idea of self and family protection ridiculed beyond the pale.

Apparently, the age of Reason, goes down the toilet, if it interferes with Our Look Good. ? ::)

Quote from: Eighthman on December 20, 2016, 02:17:20 AM
occurs in many countries?

Yes.

Quotehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing

Note how it dominantly involves Muslims......in many countries.  They seem to have a near monopoly on it.

I suppose you didn't see this:

QuoteWidney Brown, the advocacy director of Human Rights Watch, said that the practice "goes across cultures and across religions".[74]

Resolution 1327 (2003) of the Council of Europe states that:[75]

"The Assembly notes that whilst so-called 'honour crimes' emanate from cultural and not religious roots and are perpetrated worldwide (mainly in patriarchal societies or communities), the majority of reported cases in Europe have been amongst Muslim or migrant Muslim communities (although Islam itself does not support the death penalty for honour-related misconduct)."
Killing one's wife or sister for tarnishing her honor or that of her family has not received approval from any Islamic scholar of any note, in either medieval or modern era.[76] Many Muslim commentators, and organizations condemn honor killings as an un-Islamic cultural practice.[77] Tahira Shaid Khan, a professor of women's issues at Aga Khan University, says that there is nothing in the Qur'an that permits or sanctions honor killings.[78] Khan instead blames it on attitudes (across different classes, ethnic, and religious groups) that view women as property with no rights of their own as the motivation for honor killings.[78] Salafi scholar Muhammad Al-Munajjid asserts that the punishment of any crime is reserved for the Islamic ruler only.[79] Ali Gomaa, Egypt's ex-Grand Mufti, has also spoken out forcefully against honor killings.[77]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing#Religion

Or this:

QuoteFrance traditionally provided for leniency in regard to honor crimes, particularly against women who had committed adultery. The Napoleonic Code of 1804, established under Napoleon Bonaparte, is one of the origins of the legal leniency in regard to adultery-related killings in a variety of legal systems in several countries around the world. Under this code, a man who killed his wife whom he caught in the act of adultery could not be charged with premeditated murder – although he could be charged with other lesser offenses. This defense was available only for a husband, not for a wife. The Napoleonic Code has been very influential, and many countries, inspired by it, provided for lesser penalties or even acquittal for such crimes. This can be seen in the criminal codes of many former French colonies.[100][101]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing#France

Or this:

QuoteSimilar to other Southern/Mediterranean European areas, "honor" was traditionally important in Italy. Indeed, until 1981, the Criminal Code provided for mitigating circumstances for such killings; until 1981 the law read: Art. 587: He who causes the death of a spouse, daughter, or sister upon discovering her in illegitimate carnal relations and in the heat of passion caused by the offence to his honour or that of his family will be sentenced to three to seven years. The same sentence shall apply to whom, in the above circumstances, causes the death of the person involved in illegitimate carnal relations with his spouse, daughter, or sister.[107][108] Traditionally, honor crimes used to be more prevalent in Southern Italy.[83][109]

In 1546, Isabella di Morra, a young poet from Valsinni, Matera, was stabbed to death by her brothers for a suspected affair with a married nobleman, whom they also murdered.[110]

In 2006, 20-year-old Hina Saleem, a Pakistani woman who lived in Brescia, Italy, was murdered by her father who claimed he was "saving the family's honour". She had refused an arranged marriage, and was living with her Italian boyfriend.[111][112]

In 2009, in Pordenone, Italy, Sanaa Dafani, an 18-year-old girl of Moroccan origin, was murdered by her father because she had a relationship with an Italian man.[113][114]

In 2011, in Cerignola, Italy, a man stabbed his brother 19 times because his homosexuality was a "dishonour to the family".[115]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing#Italy

Or this:

QuoteThroughout the 20th century, husbands have used in court cases the "legitimate defense of their honor" (legitima defesa da honra) as justification for adultery-related killings. Although this defense was not explicitly stipulated in the 20th century Criminal Code, it has been successfully pleaded by lawyers throughout the 20th century, in particular in the interior of the country, though less so in the coastal big cities. In 1991 Brazil's Supreme Court explicitly rejected the "honor defense" as having no basis in Brazilian law.[248][249][250]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing#Brazil

Or this:

QuoteThe view that violence can be justified in the name of honor and shame exists traditionally in Latin American societies, and machismo is often described as a code of honor. While some ideas originate in the Spanish colonial culture, others predate it: in the early history of Peru, the laws of the Incas allowed husbands to starve their wives to death if they committed adultery, while Aztec laws during early Mexico stipulated stoning or strangulation as punishment for female adultery.[266]

Until a few decades ago, the marriage of a girl or woman to the man who had raped her was considered a "solution" to the incident in order to restore the 'honor'. Indeed, although laws that exonerate the perpetrator of rape if he marries his victim after the rape are often associated with the Middle East, such laws were very common around the world until the second half of the 20th century, and as late as 1997, 14 Latin American countries had such laws,[267] although most of these Latin American countries have now abolished them. Such laws were ended in Mexico in 1991,[268] El Salvador in 1996,[269] Colombia in 1997, Peru in 1999,[268] Chile in 1999,[270][271] Brazil in 2005,[272][273] Uruguay in 2005,[274] Guatemala in 2006,[275] Costa Rica in 2007,[276] Panama in 2008,[277] Nicaragua in 2008,[278] Argentina in 2012,[279] and Ecuador in 2014.[280]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing#Latin_America

The fact is that honour killings is not a religious custom, it's a cultural custom mostly from the countries around the Mediterranean, Portugal included, and the are between the Mediterranean and (including) India, that I forgot to include in my list above.

Quote from: zorgon on December 20, 2016, 08:34:36 AM
Though I suppose Britain leaving the EU may be 'something' :D

Yes, it will make it more difficult for people from the UK to invade Europe.  :P

I saw the Headline (below) and something became a bit clearer to me. Germany as well as the other countries that are over run with refugees including the radical jihadists, we don't know how many in the mix. And the fear of a public that has had enough and starts striking back. I believe that would be called a Civil War, in any language . I purpose that the Heads of State in the afflicted countries, know that they have already lost control, as they have no resources to stop the inevitable .  People so radically different in culture , religion all being cooped up together in small spaces, countries, seems to be a recipe
For trouble in it's self.

It is my understanding(I know someone will correct me if I'm wrong), That the police in affected countries are not, as many as needed, not equipped with training, guns, etc. And have no armies of there own, for protection. The balance is precarious at best. I will leave it at that, for now.



Berlin Attack Will 'Radicalise the German Public', Says Merkel Ally

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/12/20/berlin-attack-will-radicalise-german-public-says-merkel-ally/

Quote from: Phedre on December 20, 2016, 07:05:23 PM
Berlin Attack Will 'Radicalise the German Public', Says Merkel Ally

Maybe that was the idea.

Quote from: ArMaP on December 20, 2016, 08:28:10 PM
Maybe that was the idea.

Yes that seems to be what is happening  Same here in the US... the questions is

WHY?

What possible motivation would the leaders have to deliberately bring this situation about?

Yes, I read over the Wiki on honor killings and passed over the usual politically correct bull shit asserted wherein a shill tries to say that such killings are broadly distributed but then overflows with references to Muslim nations or people.  Also, using old examples from nominally Christian areas while it thrives amidst Islam.

I thought this might be obvious but apparently not. My bad....

Quote from: Eighthman on December 20, 2016, 09:41:09 PM
Yes, I read over the Wiki on honor killings and passed over the usual politically correct bull poop asserted wherein a shill tries to say that such killings are broadly distributed but then overflows with references to Muslim nations or people.  Also, using old examples from nominally Christian areas while it thrives amidst Islam.

So, when it doesn't suit your opinion it was written by a shill. OK.  ::)

The fact is that I live in a country where this type of thing is still relatively common, although killings are rare, so I know what I'm talking about. Most honour killings in Portugal happen in Gipsy's communities, and, in case you're wondering, they are all Christians.

Even if today the cases are fewer than before in European countries (thankfully) that doesn't change the fact that they were common and not related to religion.

Quote from: zorgon on December 20, 2016, 09:19:52 PM
What possible motivation would the leaders have to deliberately bring this situation about?

Yes, it looks like someone is creating division among the people, with "hot topics" like religion and politics used as triggers to make people fight against each other with more and more violence, even if only with words.

"killings are rare"  , 'were common".  Your words....... and my point.

Quote from: zorgon on December 20, 2016, 09:19:52 PM
Yes that seems to be what is happening  Same here in the US... the questions is

WHY?

What possible motivation would the leaders have to deliberately bring this situation about?

Maybe a touch of Soros in the mix ?!?

Quote from: zorgon on December 20, 2016, 09:19:52 PM
Yes that seems to be what is happening  Same here in the US... the questions is

WHY?

What possible motivation would the leaders have to deliberately bring this situation about?

Go back to my statement about the last 50 years in America; look at the last 60 in England, Germany, et al; the last of the people that lived during and survived WW2 are all but gone, and each generation since then has actually been riding the crest of the wave of change as civilization has grown and improved, seen tremendous leaps in technology, and a population explosion that is outstripping the ability to feed them all; if not for the food production of the American mid west food would be a bigger issue than it already is.

Considering the politically correct and ultra liberal agenda for the last decades it points towards a progressive march towards anarchy and ultimately a one world government after the destruction of the current system of governance and quite possibly a large reduction in the world's population.

Seeker

Quote from: the seeker on December 21, 2016, 03:25:22 AM
Considering the politically correct and ultra liberal agenda for the last decades it points towards a progressive march towards anarchy

Seeker, "anarchy," (an archos; "without rulers") does not and can not exist.  The closest to it that is possible, is the sort of warlordism that existed in Afghanistan prior to the American invasion; although even that wasn't complete warlordism, because you had the Taliban, which essentially means that the country was ruled by a terrorist organisation.  You might say that that was a bad thing, but my point is that it was still a government.  A truly rulerless scenario will never be permitted to exist for more than 24 hours at the most; the psychopaths will always re-assert control.

I also do not believe in the rule of law for its' own sake, if said law is used as a weapon against the majority of the people, in the hands of a psychopathic minority.  That is the scenario that you currently have in America, and it is the scenario which a small group of people are currently working very hard to create in Europe.

Law by itself isn't good enough.  We need law that everyone can be held accountable to; not just those who have sufficient money and connections that they can avoid being brought to justice for their crimes.  We have plenty of law on the books already, yet at the moment it only applies to certain groups, and there are always people who can use technicalities to get around it.  That is actually one of the serious problems that too much law can cause.

Quote from: ArMaP on December 20, 2016, 10:17:17 PM
So, when it doesn't suit your opinion it was written by a shill. OK.  ::)

Probably :P

QuoteThe fact is that I live in a country where this type of thing is still relatively common, although killings are rare, so I know what I'm talking about. Most honour killings in Portugal happen in Gipsy's communities, and, in case you're wondering, they are all Christians.

That may be true, BUT Gypsies are not swarming over Europe in hordes raping and destroying as are the Muslims :P

Although Interesting and all in regards to how it would appear to seem WHITE skinned people are the tyrant...

I'm more concerned about the depressing tidal wave of Chinese Supremacy myself...

Only one month ago  I had a young person (chinese student) tell me in angst here in Melbourne Australia how I was so wrong about Taiwan and China and how brainwashed I washed to my face and that my Taiwan family had totally brainwashed me LMAO

That occurrence was no skin off my nose, and I laughed it off as a white person who work's in an American Company in Australia with only a few Australian Born People as this was an outside occurrence whilst buying some beer in a chinese owned bottle shop.  The owner's are not like this student.. they are good people and I have shared my garden haul with them!

A lot of people hate America and what it has done... I used to think like that, but in reality without American thunking this planet may have been toast already.  Yeah sure there is lot's to complain about... but hey we have lived in some pretty damn good time's compared to famine, world war etc under this commerce driven world.

Go spend time in any other country that is not labelled WHITE Supremist and find peace?

I am born an Aussie so that make's me THEE White Supremacist, and Last I checked with all my Travel's in Asia I don't recall so much diversity in skin colour, cultural value's along with a broad range culture's as I do when I come back home to Australia.

Aussie and Nth America are like the freaking Federation Starfleet when it come's to cultural diversity working as one... GO to Hong Kong and see how they treat migrant worker's.

Honestly can white people stop degrading themselve's ?

Diversity for the sake of diversity equals mediocracy.

Why not the best?

Quote from: Eighthman on December 21, 2016, 01:53:55 AM
"killings are rare"  , 'were common".  Your words....... and my point.

My point is that none of those rare killings were committed by Muslims.

The fact that Muslims do it doesn't mean it's a Muslim tradition, many cultural traditions are common to different people.

Is it that hard to understand?

Quote from: zorgon on December 21, 2016, 11:17:47 AM
That may be true, BUT Gypsies are not swarming over Europe in hordes raping and destroying as are the Muslims :P

It looks like my point that honour killings is not a Muslim tradition but a wider tradition is lost on people from the US...  :(

Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on December 21, 2016, 06:47:45 PM
Diversity for the sake of diversity equals mediocracy.

I agree, the problem appears when one section of the population tries to (or does) prevent diversity to maintain the status quo.

Diversity is a natural result of people moving and interacting with each other.

As I've written before, the fundamental issue these days, seems to boil down to a large number of competing cults.

Islam is one, atheism is one, white and various other forms of ethnic nationalism, Christianity, transhumanism, feminism etc.  The one thing they all seem to have in common is a desire to assimilate as many warm bodies as possible, and also to wipe out all of the other competing cults that exist.  I've realised that to me at least, that is all Islam is.  A gigantic, tyrannical death cult that is motivated exclusively by a desire to destroy literally everything outside itself that exists.  It's essentially the sociological equivalent of a giant amoeba.  I've sometimes wondered if English Muslims have ever watched Doctor Who, observed the Daleks, and felt a sense of commonality.

(https://tiffanymetzger.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/daleks-exterminate.jpg)

It would be nice if we could live in a world without cults.

Quote from: Somamech on December 21, 2016, 05:05:45 PM
A lot of people hate America and what it has done... I used to think like that, but in reality without American thunking this planet may have been toast already.

The problem is, that as a result of Americans maintaining this attitude, a lot of the past good has now been undone.  It's essentially a scenario of imitating all of the various horrors of the past which Americans were opposed to when other people were committing them, while continually maintaining that "we're the good guys!" while water boarding is happening in Gitmo and various other places, and bombs are still being dropped.

Eventually the amount of present and future negative behaviour, reaches parity with the past's amount of positive behaviour; and when that happens, you can't call yourselves heroes any more.

   The problem is all the people, starting from the 60's, that have been indoctrinated and convinced that the American way was bad and had to be changed; and I am not so sure that the writers for Dr Who didn't model the Daaleks on Islam, for it does state in their book that they must convert us or exterminate us...

My philosophy in general is simple: This is America, if you don't love it, you are free to leave it and go where ever you wish, just leave. Now.

8)

Seeker

Quote from: zorgon on December 17, 2016, 04:03:48 AM
Everyone seems to forget that most of the GODS were WHITE :P 

Even the native Americans have "The great WHITE Spirit"

The Vedic gods were white save for the Elephant headed one and the Blue guy

The Egyptian gods were white except that Green guy osiris and a bunch with animal heads  (I think Anubis was black

The Norse gods, the Roman gods, the Greek gods  all whites
Zoroaster is white (Persian women are REALLY white  not pink like we are :P )

The animal head theme though is pretty common in all religions  The Annuaki, the Mayans, the Inca, the olmecs  all had animal headed white gods

Yes, Anubis is black.  He's also alive and well.  Sekhmet is black too. 

Shasta

Quote from: Shasta56 on December 22, 2016, 03:38:28 AM
Yes, Anubis is black.  He's also alive and well.

Can confirm. ;)

Do Muslims commonly beat women?  Call them whores on the street, even in the west, without head covering?  Do imans teach beating of women so as to avoid leaving marks?  Forbid them driving in Saudi Arabia? Arrest them if they complain of being raped - in Dubai or Pakistan?

If Muslims commonly do these things, then YES, these are Muslim practices or traditions.  ipso facto.

Quote from: ArMaP on December 21, 2016, 08:08:32 PM
It looks like my point that honour killings is not a Muslim tradition but a wider tradition is lost on people from the US...  :(

No,Armap, it isn't lost; it just is one leetle tidbit of the whole plethora of things that can be considered tenets of Muslim barbarism...

personally i think the cure for the rape gangs is to shoot them on sight and hang them up for all to see as an example of what their reward was...

Seeker

Quote from: Eighthman on December 23, 2016, 03:14:53 AM
Do Muslims commonly beat women?  Call them whores on the street, even in the west, without head covering?  Do imans teach beating of women so as to avoid leaving marks?  Forbid them driving in Saudi Arabia? Arrest them if they complain of being raped - in Dubai or Pakistan?

If Muslims commonly do these things, then YES, these are Muslim practices or traditions.  ipso facto.

No, the fact that some Muslims do those things doesn't mean that's a Muslim tradition, in the same way that playing baseball is not a Christian tradition.

PS: The fact that you had to include specific country names should be enough to show you that those are not Muslim traditions but local practices.

Quote from: the seeker on December 23, 2016, 04:00:41 AM
No,Armap, it isn't lost; it just is one leetle tidbit of the whole plethora of things that can be considered tenets of Muslim barbarism...

Thanks for proving this is really a subject that some people cannot (or do not want to) understand.

I suppose it could be an interesting sociological or psychological study.

Muslims commonly subjugate women across the globe as practices - as taught by Imans.  This leads directly to beatings and honor killings, as night follows day.

If Christian leaders commonly taught pitching, catching, fielding and base stealing, then YES, baseball would be a Christian custom as an outcome of the steps leading to it.

Quote from: ArMaP on December 23, 2016, 10:28:49 AM
No, the fact that some Muslims do those things doesn't mean that's a Muslim tradition, in the same way that playing baseball is not a Christian tradition.

PS: The fact that you had to include specific country names should be enough to show you that those are not Muslim traditions but local practices.

I don't see Christians or Jews or Buddhists teaching their women, via state TV, how to hide abuse with makeup.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201611300221.html

http://thefbomb.org/2016/12/dont-teach-women-to-hide-the-abuse-they-experience-teach-men-not-to-abuse/

Christians, Jews, and Buddhists are not beheading people and/or burning them to death.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/12/22/isis-spreads-video-of-two-turkish-soldiers-made-to-crawl-like-dogs-then-burned-alive/

Muslims should be treated like the barbarians they are. Their silent majority are complicit in these atrocities as long as they fail to do anything about it.

Cliché warning -

Talk is cheap.

Quote from: the seeker on December 23, 2016, 04:00:41 AM
No,Armap, it isn't lost; it just is one leetle tidbit of the whole plethora of things that can be considered tenets of Muslim barbarism...

personally i think the cure for the rape gangs is to shoot them on sight and hang them up for all to see as an example of what their reward was...

Seeker

I think public castration of convicted rapists would be appropriate.  They can have anesthesia.  I'm not completely barbarous.

Shasta

Quote from: Shasta56 on December 23, 2016, 03:51:43 PM
I think public castration of convicted rapists would be appropriate.  They can have anesthesia.  I'm not completely barbarous.

Shasta

I am. Give me that dull jackknife.

Quote from: ArMaP on December 23, 2016, 10:49:02 AM
Thanks for proving this is really a subject that some people cannot (or do not want to) understand.

I suppose it could be an interesting sociological or psychological study.

Oh, we understand that it is an old and widespread practice among many different cultures and ethnic groups, even has had occurrences over here in the past, and no, it isn't strictly a Muslim/Islam thing; that isn't the point that was being made...

Seeker

Quote from: Eighthman on December 23, 2016, 01:29:30 PM
Muslims commonly subjugate women across the globe as practices - as taught by Imans.  This leads directly to beatings and honor killings, as night follows day.

A consequence of something is not an attribute of that something.

I haven't met any Muslims who I would consider barbarians.  The Muslims who live in my area go grocery shopping, take their kids to the park, just act like people.  I suspect that maybe they really are people.

I am aware that in some areas, female circumcision is practiced.  I did a project about that back in nursing school with two of my classmates.  That practice presents unique challenges to both a woman and her doctor in terms of pregnancy and childbirth.  Education is the best way, in my opinion, to eradicate such practices.

Shasta

Quote from: Irene on December 23, 2016, 02:49:37 PM
I don't see Christians or Jews or Buddhists teaching their women, via state TV, how to hide abuse with makeup.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201611300221.html

http://thefbomb.org/2016/12/dont-teach-women-to-hide-the-abuse-they-experience-teach-men-not-to-abuse/

Neither do I, but, once again, domestic violence against women is not exclusive of Muslims, it's, for example, relatively common in Portugal.

QuoteChristians, Jews, and Buddhists are not beheading people and/or burning them to death.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/12/22/isis-spreads-video-of-two-turkish-soldiers-made-to-crawl-like-dogs-then-burned-alive/

Yes, Christians have stopped burning people at the stake some centuries ago, but, once more, just because Muslim terrorists do it it doesn't mean it's a Muslim thing, we don't see Muslim governments sentencing people to being burned alive. I think beheading is used in some countries as capital punishment, part of Sharia law.

QuoteMuslims should be treated like the barbarians they are. Their silent majority are complicit in these atrocities as long as they fail to do anything about it.

Anyone that acts like a barbarian should be treated accordingly, regardless of country of origin, race, religion, etc.

QuoteCliché warning -

Talk is cheap.

I see that, as not one of the things you mention in your post is related to honour killings, and that's what I'm talking about.

Quote from: the seeker on December 23, 2016, 05:24:09 PM
Oh, we understand that it is an old and widespread practice among many different cultures and ethnic groups, even has had occurrences over here in the past, and no, it isn't strictly a Muslim/Islam thing; that isn't the point that was being made...

That was exactly the point, I haven't been talking about any other thing in my last posts.

Honor killings aren't strictly a Muslim thing just mostly a Muslim thing - which is why politically correct articles can begin 'honor killings are not a Muslim custom' and then spill out example after example taken from Muslims.   If it wasn't so serious a topic, it would be laughable.

My little bit of research also indicates that it's an Asian thing, in addition to being a Muslim thing.  I don't believe though, that all Asians and Muslims should be painted as barbarous honor killers.  The Bible indicates that honor killings were part of Jewish culture as well.  And we know that Henry the 8th of England had two of his wives beheaded for adultery.  I don't believe that he was a Muslim or an Asian.  I do believe that education is needed, and that every life deserves respect.

Shasta

Quote from: Shasta56 on December 23, 2016, 10:00:00 PM
My little bit of research also indicates that it's an Asian thing, in addition to being a Muslim thing.  I don't believe though, that all Asians and Muslims should be painted as barbarous honor killers.  The Bible indicates that honor killings were part of Jewish culture as well.  And we know that Henry the 8th of England had two of his wives beheaded for adultery.  I don't believe that he was a Muslim or an Asian.  I do believe that education is needed, and that every life deserves respect.

Shasta

Henry was a tyrant, but his attitude stemmed from his inability to produce a healthy male heir.

Anne didn't really deserve it, but Katherine Howard certainly did.

I don't think this is in the same league as what the Muslims are up to.

No, but I've been reading a fantasy series set in Tudor England, so that popped right up in my mind.  I do fear for the state of a world that still thinks women are somehow "less than men."  I have five granddaughters.  They shouldn't grow up hearing that they're somehow inferior and not entitled to respect.  And while honor killings don't take place in Northeast Oklahoma, the lack of respect for anyone who is not a white male is pervasive. 

Shasta

Quote from: Shasta56 on December 23, 2016, 11:17:09 PM
No, but I've been reading a fantasy series set in Tudor England, so that popped right up in my mind.  I do fear for the state of a world that still thinks women are somehow "less than men."  I have five granddaughters.  They shouldn't grow up hearing that they're somehow inferior and not entitled to respect.  And while honor killings don't take place in Northeast Oklahoma, the lack of respect for anyone who is not a white male is pervasive. 

Shasta

The last time I had a problem related to being a woman was in 1987. A man who arrived after me was served before me by the woman behind the counter. I spoke up about it.

The woman behind the counter went Instant Bitch, but the man was gracious about it.

No little irony there.

I should probably start a new thread on this, but since this was supposed to be about so-called white supremacy...

I just listened to a discourse about a Farcebook live streaming video showing two black males and two black females in Chicago kidnapping, abusing, and torturing a disabled white man for 48 hours while screaming F### Donald Trump! F### white people! but the media says this isn't a hate crime or a race crime...

SCREW that. I am sick and tired of all these ultra liberal leftist democrat Pussys and their bull sh!t; the hard core Racists in this country aren't white, haven't been for a very long time; I try my best to be calm and deal with this current paradigm, but you know what?
They need to come try that crap with ME.

I guarantee it will be the last time they try.

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Seeker

Racism, sexism, ethnicity, blah, blah, blah.  They serve the Elite's purpose by distracting people from the real issue of income/wealth inequality. Divide and conquer.

If someone has a lotta cash, why should they care about slights, insults or discrimination?  Like Liberace used to say, "I'll cry all the way to the bank".

And so many of the idiots don't see it and sympathize with the rich !!!  I got into a flaming Facebook war about Helen Mirren complaining about sexist discrimination when she was young.  The fact is, she can cry about the distant past in her mansion while sipping champagne.  She has contempt for Americans and social media, why are you nobodies expressing such empathy for her past struggles?  How about your own, poor lives? The rich are consoled by their wealth !  Boo-Hoo !

Quote from: the seeker on January 05, 2017, 07:57:18 PM
I should probably start a new thread on this, but since this was supposed to be about so-called white supremacy...

I just listened to a discourse about a Farcebook live streaming video showing two black males and two black females in Chicago kidnapping, abusing, and torturing a disabled white man for 48 hours while screaming F### Donald Trump! F### white people! but the media says this isn't a hate crime or a race crime...

SCREW that. I am sick and tired of all these ultra liberal leftist democrat Pussys and their bull sh!t; the hard core Racists in this country aren't white, haven't been for a very long time; I try my best to be calm and deal with this current paradigm, but you know what?
They need to come try that crap with ME.

I guarantee it will be the last time they try.

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Seeker

Yeah, bad scene there. There is video and the PD is resisting telling the truth about what takes place in it. Stunning.

I'd immediately replace any administrator who denies the facts of the matter.

THERE'S. VIDEO. FOR. CHRISTSAKES!

I just found out that the young man kidnapped and tortured in Chicago has schizophrenia and the defendants have all been denied bail.

I hope they never see the light of day again.  >:(

Quote from: Irene on January 06, 2017, 11:56:18 PM
I just found out that the young man kidnapped and tortured in Chicago has schizophrenia and the defendants have all been denied bail.

I hope they never see the light of day again.  >:(

One of the "defendants" was a friend of the poor dude and picked him up on the pretense of going to a party and hanging out, having a good time...
Let's see how justice is served in this case...

Seeker

Quote from: the seeker on January 07, 2017, 12:03:18 AM
One of the "defendants" was a friend of the poor dude and picked him up on the pretense of going to a party and hanging out, having a good time...
Let's see how justice is served in this case...

Seeker

I found that video very hard to watch knowing he was disabled by mental illness. The only thing worse is abusing children.

And there's that old cliche - "with friends like that . . . "

Quote from: Irene on January 07, 2017, 12:27:32 AM
I found that video very hard to watch knowing he was disabled by mental illness. The only thing worse is abusing children.

And there's that old cliche - "with friends like that . . . "

I didn't watch the video, it would just have put me over the top and knowing what went down is bad enough...
there should be a special place in hell for creeps like that, and I would open the gates and shoo them in...
and I'm not a Sagittarius...

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Seeker

I confess I watched it because I wanted to see how depraved his assailants were and to assess the hate crime angle.

I was not disappointed and it was definitely a hate crime x 4.

Quote from: Irene on January 07, 2017, 12:37:25 AM
I confess I watched it because I wanted to see how depraved his assailants were and to assess the hate crime angle.

I was not disappointed and it was definitely a hate crime x 4.

As I stated in my earlier rant, send them down here and try that with me...
KARMA can be a bitch...

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Seeker

Quote from: the seeker on January 07, 2017, 12:32:52 AM
I didn't watch the video, it would just have put me over the top and knowing what went down is bad enough...
there should be a special place in hell for creeps like that, and I would open the gates and shoo them in...
and I'm not a Sagittarius...

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Seeker

What does being a Sagittarius have to do with it?  Just curious.  And there are worse places than hell. 

Shasta

Quote from: Shasta56 on January 08, 2017, 10:18:48 PM
What does being a Sagittarius have to do with it?  Just curious.  And there are worse places than hell. 

Shasta

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Quote from: the seeker on January 08, 2017, 10:27:21 PM
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Unless you know how to talk to them, my younger sister is a Sagittarius. :)

Quote from: Shasta56 on January 08, 2017, 10:18:48 PM
What does being a Sagittarius have to do with it?  Just curious.  And there are worse places than hell. 

Shasta

Can I ask where those places are?   :o

Oklahoma is one.

Shasta