The depressing tidal wave of white supremacy

[petrus4]

I'm confused with those 4000 years, age of Aquarius and of Aries. Could you at least say when did those ages start? That would help.

Aries: 2200 - 150 BCE
Pisces:  150 BCE - 1950 CE

So I was speaking roughly.  There is an article talking about how these dates were established [here](http://cura.free.fr/xxv/21sepp2.html), but I am aware that that will probably be far too vague for your tastes.  I don't claim to know precise dates; I go more by the visible emergence within several cultures, of artistic themes or forms of social organisation which I know match known correspondences for the individual signs.  Rome and Sparta are both a very good fit for Aries, for example; and early Christianity in particular was for Pisces as well.

[ArMaP]

Aries: 2200 - 150 BCE
Pisces:  150 BCE - 1950 CE

So, doesn't that mean that Islam is Pisces?

[petrus4]

I once sincerely believed that the New Testament does not teach hell fire torment.

The "lake of fire" primarily shows up in Revelations; specifically in reference to a prohibition against sorcery and various other things.  Jesus talks about people being "thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth," and somewhere else there is a reference to a place where "their worm does not die, and their fire is not quenched."

Jesus was a member of a group of rabbinical Jews called the Essenes, who Paul of Tarsus first tried to have beaten up, and then infiltrated on a peaceful pretext when that failed.  The epistles mostly consist of either encrypted histories of that event, Paul's attempts to justify himself after the fact, and James' attempt at refutation of Pauline theology.

Yeshua or Paul?

AFAIK Jewish theology does not include Hell in Dante's sense; instead there is fleeting mention in the OT of "She'ol," which from memory was considered a place of "shadow."

Hell as we think of it, which again is primarily derived from Dante, is mostly Hellenic in origin.  Greek mythology mentions a place called Tartarus where numerous notable villains from Greek history were repeatedly tortured in various ways.

Hell is tangentially present within the New Testament, but only very fleetingly; and it is also worth realising that Hell as an entire concept formed the fundamental basis of Catholicism's authority.  The Catholics set up the idea that the reason why you had to obey them, is because if you didn't, first they'd kill you, and then you'd end up in Hell.  The idea of Jesus' death as Vicarious Atonement also originated with Paul; and again, if you read non-Catholic sources, Paul is generally not regarded positively.

It's also worth knowing that Jesus never actually claimed to be the exclusive son of God; he spends a lot of his time, even in the canonical Gospels, talking about how anyone can learn to perform the same acts that he did, if they are willing to do so.  He calls himself "the son of Man," but that is in reference to his very Piscean willingness to serve as a martyr; which I'm inclined to interpret in reference to his rivalry with the Jewish clergy.

[petrus4]

So, doesn't that mean that Islam is Pisces?

Islam, yes.  I was primarily talking about Moses and Judaism, which I believe is tangentially related to Islam, and I assume would have played an important role in the development of Islamic jurisprudence.

[Phedre]

Actually, I have intuitively thought that a HUGE opportunity exists to 'marry' (syncretism) the social justice example set by Mo hammed together with liberal politics in Muslim nations.

In many ways that is happening, making for a very dangerous world, indeed.

There is only one Sharia Law.  Isis is sticking to it very litterally

Until you attempt to at least read about  who Mohammad was, you will have only guessed at answers.

When you mix apples, oranges and grapes you get a nice salad. Not so when you try to mix religions one from the other, you get a mess.

I do wonder also ,where the Zodiac comes into play in any of this ?

[petrus4]

Until you attempt to at least read about  who Mohammad was, you will have only guessed at answers.

I haven't delved into specifics, but my impression is that he was essentially the Arabian answer to Genghis Khan.  Islam spread initially via violent conquest; and these days it does by demographic warfare, as mentioned.

Not so when you try to mix religions one from the other, you get a mess.

Except that you'll find that pretty much every religion in existence has borrowed stuff from others, to one degree or another.  The exceptions are the really early ones like the indigenous stuff, Zoroastrianism, and Hellenic paganism, which was itself indigenous if you go back far enough.

I do wonder also ,where the Zodiac comes into play in any of this ?

It does within my own schizotypal cosmology, at least.

[robomont]

only one way to do overview of all religions is to look at the overall theory,karma.
to take gods commandments and say im judge is to steal from god.let god judge.its for us to survive.
imho,able was reincarnated as seth,just as joseph was reincarnated as moses.

if youve never seen cloud atlas,i suggest it,but you need to watch it like 5 times.because its so confusing the first few times.but makes lots of sense.

[Eighthman]

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/

Sharia viewpoints are divergent.  Discreet compromise and interpretation is very possible.

[Phedre]

Of the big 3 of the Worlds Religions, Islam is the youngest but with more than likely, at this time with the most people in it. Muhammad, was winging it all the way.

Here is a website that may help.  http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/muhammad/life-of-muhammad.aspx

[Phedre]

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/

Sharia viewpoints are divergent.  Discreet compromise and interpretation is very possible.

Hopefully that view will continue to be embraced or we are all in deep dodo. The young males tend go for the nastier parts, as written.

That's a poll you have there. Like who is more likely in the different sects are for or against cutting your hands off, for instance.

[petrus4]

The young males tend go for the nastier parts, as written.

I think this is probably for five main reasons.

a}  Although I haven't seen exact figures, I feel fairly safe in assuming that rates of literacy and overall education within the African Islamic countries at least, remain low.  In other words, you've still got people who are being raised a context that is almost identical to the one that Islam first developed in.  If people have lived in the same way for over half a millennia, and have most likely never had experience or exposure to any other paradigm, why would they have any reason to believe anything different?  It's all they've ever known.

b}  The period between puberty and 35 years of age, is when human male physiology is most readily predisposed towards violence.  Muscle tone and biochemical (particularly testosterone) output are at their peak.  It's an irrational, emotionally intense, unstable period in a man's life; I remember it myself.  This is even more true at the younger end of said bracket, because a man has virtually no pre-existing frame of reference or experience to draw on.  So it's the period in life where a man is most likely to engage in unintelligent or reckless behaviour.

c}  A lot of these kids who are flooding into Europe as refugees, have probably never done anything else in their lives before, other than tending fields.  So you've got hundreds of thousands of young, hormonally-filled men, whose only limited prior experience is with a literally Stone Age lifestyle, virtually no education, and probably no clue whatsoever how they are going to support either themselves or any dependents they might have in said countries.  You might respond by saying that they should have stayed in their fields, and I wouldn't disagree with you; but apparently many of them are fleeing from situations like Syria, not to mention the bombed-out graveyard that is contemporary Iraq.

d}  As far as I know, Pakistan, Egypt, and Jordan are the three real ideological strongholds of Islam, outside of the Arab peninsula itself, of course.  Fanaticism is self-perpetuating via peer pressure.  Even if you don't necessarily agree with the opinions of the local fanatics yourself, you're not going to publically disagree with them, because doing so will likely get you killed.  This is how a weaker minded, but more moderate majority, are made to go along with a more aggressive minority.  Even if the sheep are an overwhelming majority, fear will almost always prevent them from rising up against a pathological shepherd.

e}  Islam is a man-centric religion.  Again, I've seen examples of imperialistic behaviour from Islamic women, but generally only towards non-Muslims.  This means that young Islamic men are used to a scenario where they are the center of their social universe, and self-interest is going to predictably motivate them to want to ensure that things stay that way.  Christianity was similarly patriarchic before feminism, as well.

[robomont]

spot on last post petrus and yes i also believe mohamed was winging it.

[The Seeker]

I have been quietly staying out of this; there is no tidal wave of white supremacy, that statement is utter Bovine Feces...
for most of the last 40 years the blatant racists in this country are black, not white; for 40+ years we have had to endure affirmative action which means if you are not black you do not get hired no matter how qualified you are, and any ignorant dumbass of african descent will, whether they can chew bubble gum and walk at the same time much less have any job skills or even education beyond signing their name...
the white population of the US is still over 70% of the total; the percentage of the population that are actually avowed white supremacists is less than one percent; the majority of we the people are honest working people and are very acceptable and tolerant of all people;
the problem herein stems from points of view from people not living in this country; my suggestion is to bring your highly opinionated ass over here and live in a city like Chicago, or Atlanta, Detroit, spend about 6 months dealing with life here instead of your homeland then voice your opinion from your own personal experience; until then, you are not qualified.

As Zorgon stated, there are good black people that earn their own way and do not have a race card to play for they aren't bigots...I know quite a few of them and am proud to call them friend; but for every one of them there are dozens of damn uppity niggers .

This thread and all it contains is very close to being relegated to the rants and beefs section; this Forum is supposed to be about research and finding information and answers, not socio-political opinionated CRAP.

Subject Closed.

Seeker

[zorgon]

There are many photos of Egypt from before the '70's showing women commonly without a hijab/scarf/head covering.  Something changed and I believe it was oil money spreading Wahabism.

yes Wahabism is definitely the ROOT of all evil  and the oil money gave them power to push their agenda  Don't forget that that Saudi Wahabis control Mecca.  Wahabism also has it's ties to Zionists

As for the 70's  remeber the Shaw of Iran?   

These are Tehran students in the 70's 



Iranian girls some in traditional costume



Iranian teens in Tehran



Iranian girls on the beach




Then along came THIS guy...



So NOW girls in Iran look like THIS and looking at those eyes they don't look to happy either



As for Sharia Law  That would give you THIS



And these  "The masked women of Iran"

[zorgon]

Now Sexist Pig that I am... if they MUST cover their face... I am okay with this attire