Immaculate Deception

[A51Watcher]

1) It is claimed by Bob Lazar and his supporters that we have already reverse engineered such flying saucers. Those videos he and you have from Area 51 are supposedly proof the we HUMANS do now at least actually have such technology. Ben Rich said as much.

Actually Bob said the goal of the project was to see if they could duplicate the technology using earthly materials.

His claim is we possess technology not manufactured by us. Not that we have successfully duplicated such tech.

And in his estimation we were thousands if not millions of years from being able to do so.


Reverse engineering is a two part process.

1 Figure out how a technology works.

2 Figure out how to duplicate a technology.

Bob has never said that we have figured out how to duplicate this technology.

The main problem lies in not possessing an element that gives us access to subatomic gravity, which we then can amplify.

Ben Rich has not provided a craft for inspection to prove his claim.

Bob has.

Actually no , he is not the best, because what is needed is an expert in PHYSICS  not Aviation.  All the flight certificates in the world cannot explain it. All they can do is explain what we already know about conventional aircraft.

Yep. And also why conventional aircraft can not perform these maneuvers. That was my point.

Conventional (human) aviation is not and can not be the source of this tech.

I agree with the rest of your posts about EM or anti gravity being worthless for propulsion as you can only go up or down.

I also agree that gravity amplification is the only propulsion method that solves all the aviation associated problems with these speeds and maneuvers - physics, mass, momentum and direction change, micro meteorites, radiation and FTL speeds. 

[zorgon]

More from Spooksville

from ATS
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1203893/pg1

vlawde
posted on Apr, 8 2018 @ 10:57 AM link   
Over the past year or so there's been a lot of talk about Adamantium Real Estate and their involvement in SKinwalker Ranch ownership, and the company representative Thomas Winterton spoke at a local council meeting about the road closure several years back, so his name was immediately connected to who owns the ranch.

Ryan Skinner, a former member here who in some capacity investigated the ranch (not in any official status, I don't believe he was ever granted access) and author of multiple books on the ranch has a Facebook page dedicated to Skinwalker. He added and tagged Thomas Winterton, and Thomas showed up today to make a statement. Here 'tis:

Thomas Winterton

In past posts I have been tagged and asked to clarify or add insight to the conversation. For the past two years I have refrained. The time has come that I would like to clarify a few things I have read on this page. This will most likely be the only thing I post on here.

First, Good job Ryan Skinner on keeping this page intriguing and also using what seems to be good judgement on moderating the discussions. I have followed this page since being hired as a consultant and representative of Adamantium Real Estate Holdings over two years ago. It has been interesting and very amusing to read the posts on this page in regards to who the new owner is. As I am under a NDA, I am very limited in what I can say, but in light of several of the past posts, I will just set the record straight.

First and obvious, the new owner(s) does not want to be identified. The new owner(s) is/are very successful and intelligent. He/She/They have gone to great lengths and expense to keep their identity private. There have been layers added and precautions taken to insure privacy. Because no public dollars have been used in purchasing or maintaining the ranch, it really is none of the public's business who owns it. I understand the curiosity, but that does not supersede a private entities rights to remain private. The owner(s) has/have set up Adamantium, hired a law firm to manage it, hired a real estate management company to oversee it, and have done everything through third party contractors. Even the manager of the ranch was chosen and hired by the real estate management company. When I submit an invoice for my consulting, I submit it to the real estate management company.

When we have had contractors on the ranch, they are paid through the real estate management company or the owner of the real estate management company. Good luck finding the owner(s) because anyone who knows the true identity of the owner(s) are all under a strict NDA, and even if we weren't under an NDA, we wouldn't risk our access to the ranch and our place in the inner circle for a few moments of glory on a page with people we have never met. If asked, many associated with these protective layers would claim they are the owner simply to throw off the hunt and protect the identity of the owner(s).

I can tell you for sure that *Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell did not travel on the owners private jet to the ranch. I will end by saying that many hired to perform functions within the ranch started off doing so simply as a job. Over the past two years, the fascination and the level of involvement by those associated with the ranch has grown and now many of those hired to do a job have become very involved in the ranch. Do not mistake their involvement as a sign of ownership or you will chase a rabbit hole that gets you nowhere.


*Just to clarify, Jeremy is a filmmaker who is releasing a movie this year about the ranch that features George Knapp (also one about Bob Lazar).

The GUT
posted on Apr, 8 2018 @ 12:29 PM link 
They're either gonna do freaky rituals out there or turn it into a paranormal theme park. 

Or I guess that other option of burying a EM weapons testing operation is on the table as well.


The GUT
posted on Apr, 8 2018 @ 11:20 AM link   
Springer recently visited the ranch with George and Jeremy and others and has promised a thread and pics.

This story is getting hot again it seems. 

jadedANDcynical
posted on Apr, 8 2018 @ 06:20 PM link
I don't think the Adamantium Goup and Adamantium Real Estate, LLC. are the same company:

Springer
posted on Apr, 8 2018 @ 06:51 PM link
I just want to jump in here and say that the privacy of the new owner will be respected here until she or he wants the world to know.

So, while I appreciate the curiosity about who owns the ranch ATS will not be part of invading a private citizen's privacy.

This is site policy. Just like we don't allow the names or images of people suspected of being "crisis" actors, or any of the other invasions of privacy various stories have brought about to be published here, we won't allow the speculation of who owns the ranch causing private citizens duress or harm to published here either.

Everyone's cooperation is appreciated.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1203893/pg2

[zorgon]

Seems I am not the only one on Jerremy's case

humanoidlord
posted on Apr, 8 2018 @ 07:08 PM link   
better question: how did Jeremy Lockerbell gain access to the ranch
also the owner is obviously Mr bigelow, its way easier to continue research away from prying eyes

I am however surprised that ATS doesn't know that Robert Bigelow owns Skin Walker ranch... it hasn't exactly been a secret and is all over the internet...

But I disagree with Springer... a company or corporation is listed PUBLICLY so looking up ownership of any duly registered company is open to anyone  Same with who owns a domain... that is why there is a WHOIS database and the law requires the owner of a domain to be listed in that database.  I get an annual email from my server requesting to update my contact info (if changed) or lose the domain

Jeremy Corbell STILL owns TheRealJohnLear.com and there is nothing I can do about it  It either has to be John or Marille that contacts the IP company that is hosting the site.

[zorgon]

Ben Rich has not provided a craft for inspection to prove his claim.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/Themes/splat1/images/bbc/img.gif
Quite true... skeptics argue that he even said it LOL It wasn't on his death bed, it was at an alumni reunion at his old college  Someone had a recording of it but I never got a copy before that person literally vanished off the net

Bob has.

GREAT!  When can i go have a look at it?

Conventional (human) aviation is not and can not be the source of this tech.

Agreed but there are many scientist that have worked on unconventional projects, especially the NAZI scientists

[zorgon]

The Gut   is Frank Warren (also on Facebook) from theufochronicles.com

Monday, March 26, 2018
Deception and Fake Videos: It's Not Just for YouTubers

"The majority in the UFO community are clueless about the depths that an intelligence agency can go to manage people of interest."

- James Carrion, commenting in The Greys Have Been Framed: Exploitation in the UFO Community
      People interested in UFOs often possess vast amounts of knowledge on popular cases and intricate details of happenings within the community. High profile ufology personalities and their followings know their UFO stuff. Unfortunately, we might sometimes be viewed as knowing a lot about a little, and those observations may at times have merit.

The genre is rather infamously notable for neglecting to give adequate study to topics often found less enthralling than saucer stories, yet nonetheless extremely relevant. Procedures of the intelligence community is one such relevant topic, among many. Let's take a relatively brief look at how better understanding the intelligence community might be important for those desiring to know more about events taking place within ufology.


Jack Brewer - By Jack Brewer - The UFO Trail - 3-19-18

The Pentagon spent over $500 million – half a billion bucks – to create fake videos, according to sources such as Independent and The Bureau of Investigative Journalism. But it was much more than perception management. As a matter of fact, the videos were designed to appeal to Al-Qaeda members and sympathizers, not change their minds. This particular batch of propaganda consisted of fake terrorist vids that tracked the locations of viewers. The material was created by a UK-based public relations firm hired by the U.S. Department of Defense.

Former video editor Martin Wells reportedly worked on the project, which took place between about 2006 and 2011. Requirements included specific format and code, he explained. Marines would leave copies of the completed videos, contained on compact discs, at the scenes of raids and ransacked houses in Iraq so that enemies would later find them. According to Independent, Wells further explained:
"If one if looked at in the middle of Baghdad... you know there's a hit there," Mr. Wells said. "If one, 48 hours or a week later shows up in another part of the world, then that's the more interesting one, and that's what they're looking for more, because that gives you a trail."
A former chairman of Bell Pottinger, the PR firm, reportedly confirmed the existence of its contract with the Pentagon. Likewise, the Pentagon also confirmed the contract, while insisting all material distributed was truthful. That may actually be the case while the videos nonetheless fall well under the definition of Al-Qaeda propaganda.

"Bell Pottinger was first tasked by the interim Iraqi government in 2004 to promote democratic elections," Independent reported. "They received $540m between May 2007 and December 2011, but could have earned as much as $120m from the US in 2006."


Howard Hughes, 1938

We might also consider what history teaches us about relationships between intelligence agencies and wealthy eccentrics. The CIA recruited Howard Hughes to supply cover for Project Azorian, a multi-million dollar effort to secretly raise a sunken Russian submarine from the bottom of the ocean. The project took years to fully execute and involved Hughes announcing a fabricated plan to mine the seafloor. In actuality, sailors would work to raise the sub under the guise of mining, which, by the way, was reasonably successful. The CIA eventually released documents indicating about 40 feet of the over 300-foot vessel was retrieved.

We might be wise to familiarize ourselves with such operations and keep them in mind when contemplating the Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program and its close relations to Robert Bigelow and To The Stars Academy. Every instance of career intelligence officials moonlighting as ufologists is certainly not the tip of a far reaching conspiracy. That stated, it is not unreasonable by any means to expect verification of evidence presented. The same can be said for claims asserted. That might particularly be considered the case when To The Stars claimed able to present a verifiable chain of custody of videos published, yet has failed to do so.

There is not a lot of wiggle room in the definition of a fact. It can be publicly reviewed and confirmed by third parties or it can't. When it can't, it simply shouldn't yet be accepted as a fact.

It's reasonable to be open-minded. It's also reasonable to be inquisitive and interested in what might be navigating the skies.

But don't be gullible. Don't be guilty of confirmation bias. Demand professionally presented evidence. The truth depends on it.

SOURCE  Reprinted by Permission

ORIGINAL SOURCE PAGE

[A51Watcher]

GREAT!  When can i go have a look at it?

Right now actually.

Go camping outside Dugway.

[A51Watcher]

Remember to plan ahead and be careful.

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[zorgon]

I don't want to see glowy things flitting about in the distance  

I want to see a real live saucer up close

BTW have the EVER actually shot anyone for climbing those fences? 

UFO's does NOT mean Alien Spacecraft

[zorgon]

Well okay... so if there is a film about Bob Lazar by jeremy with George Knapp et al involved and their big money... there is really nothing I can do about any shenanegans.

All I can do is keep an eye on it. pass on the news and hope someone else with more power is on top[ of it

Ultimately this falls on John and Bob to look out for their own interests.

Just makes me sick when I see a weasel like 4 Names involved considering he robbed John of all his material with a promise for a film we will likely never see, with NO CONTRACT for John to get his royalties.

In fact the whole UFO scene is starting to smell like Rotten Tuna and a total waste of time... I don't have the ability to be a Con Artist... and that seems to be what it takes to make any money at this.. 

The UFO circuit crowd doesn't want truth, because it will mess up their little conference club...

Other serious researchers are getting fed up as well I see posts by Issac Koi, Frank Warren and several other old timers getting jaded by the whole mess

while the Charlatans are getting front page coverage and raking in the big bucks...

Disclosure?  John was right... NEVER gonna happen... it's not in the plan... whoever it is that is running the show.

So... 

THERE ARE NO ALIENS

THERE ARE NO FLYING SAUCERS FROM OUTER SPACE

THE MILITARY DOES NOT HAVE FREE ENERGY TECHNOLOGY, hidden or otherwise

      

Until I see solid proof of any of those three statements  I am going back to Dragons' Faeries and Elves and trying to sell a few rocks to pay for food for my Ferrets. At least those are REAL   

[A51Watcher]

But image analysis reveals those glowy things are surrounded by gravity distortion fields.

In fact they process exactly like the craft at Area 51. The glittering one off to the left is what caught my eye initially and processes the same.

How close you get to inspect is up to you. You will have to speak to the base commander about hands on access.


But camping on the outskirts will provide a view of the impossible speeds and maneuvers.

And bring some night vision gear willya?

[A51Watcher]

Seems I am not the only one on Jerremy's case

humanoidlord
posted on Apr, 8 2018 @ 07:08 PM link   
better question: how did Jeremy Lockerbell gain access to the ranch
also the owner is obviously Mr bigelow, its way easier to continue research away from prying eyes

I am however surprised that ATS doesn't know that Robert Bigelow owns Skin Walker ranch... it hasn't exactly been a secret and is all over the internet...

But I disagree with Springer... a company or corporation is listed PUBLICLY so looking up ownership of any duly registered company is open to anyone  Same with who owns a domain... that is why there is a WHOIS database and the law requires the owner of a domain to be listed in that database.  I get an annual email from my server requesting to update my contact info (if changed) or lose the domain

Jeremy Corbell STILL owns TheRealJohnLear.com and there is nothing I can do about it  It either has to be John or Marille that contacts the IP company that is hosting the site.

And so what does the WHOIS tell you about the owner of the domain for the image analysis team?

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Well okay...
Until I see solid proof of any of those three statements  I am going back to Dragons' Faeries and Elves and trying to sell a few rocks to pay for food for my Ferrets. At least those are REAL   

There is no proof. Only 1st hand accounts by people with dubious credentials. Or 2nd & 3rd hand accounts brought out to the public with the sole purpose of attention and the lure of money. Scientifically Unproven graphic manipulation of photos or film, passed off as proof is illegitimate hogwash.

I'm with you Z, bring on the dragons!

[zorgon]

But image analysis reveals those glowy things are surrounded by gravity distortion fields.

Hmmm  well perhaps changing color values of shades of gray may reveal some more details but are they gravity fields or just levels of light? 

I don't really doubt you and Bob caught some craft though I am not sure about that process

The way I understand it is that it just changes color values for various shades  like this image of BLUE  Can you read what that says?

 

Well the text is in almost the same blue, but in this case 10 values off. The human eye cannot see such details (though many claim to )

So change the one value of blue to say green and the message appears

In fact they process exactly like the craft at Area 51. The glittering one off to the left is what caught my eye initially and processes the same.

Well they would... as the same process is used.

How close you get to inspect is up to you. You will have to speak to the base commander about hands on access.

Pretty sure he will say NO As I am sure that YOU didn't speak to him either to get access to lay hands on one

But camping on the outskirts will provide a view of the impossible speeds and maneuvers.
And bring some night vision gear willya?

I have seen those speeds and maneuvers on several occasions  the first time was as a teen sitting on a beach in Toronto and this thing flew along the horizon in a wave pattern at high speed then suddenly shot up at 45 degrees and was gone in seconds (That is what started my interest) and just a few days ago looking south east from my house where two bright objects twirling about that just blinked out and were gone

As to night vision  Those are expensive and John's generation 3 one was stolen.

As I can barely cover current bills, that night scope will have to wait

Can I borrow yours? 

[zorgon]

I will however continue to post items of interest and follow the current story

Sadly there has been little new stuff of value in the UFO department and mostly we are seing old stuff rehashed and redefined by the new kids on the block. most of who have no clue and are adding all sorts of 'extras' to the old story

Tom Delonge? Can't even answer simple questions about mars... but suddenly he is a UFO expert and all the groupies are gaga over him because he is a star.

I certainly HOPE omething real comes of all this mess...  but I am not holding my breath

The moment I sae that HAL PUTHOFF was on that team?  Well there goes that. Hal has had his finger in EVERY topic I have researched in UFO' Free Energy, Remote Viewing, Psychic Spies and even Stargates

As far as I can see... Hal Puthoff IS the Smoking Man

[zorgon]

A51Watcher

If you want any of your material posted on the living moon website just put it together or point me to the thrads you want copied

I know you have your own site for your team, but we still get over 4 million vies a month.

I haven't done so yet as most of your stuff is in the private room

Choice is yours   I will even add the links to your site  As I have no pony in this race anyway, at least you will get more exposure

The advantage to the website is there is no way to comment   So it's "Just the Facts Ma'am"