Buzz Aldrin says we didn't go to the moon

[petrus4]

Is it possible we went via the Secret Space Program and still filmed it on the moon?

Given both the information Zorgon just presented, and my own impression of NASA's level of technology, Irene, that is the scenario that I am beginning to suspect, yes.  I can't remember seeing a NASA vessel in any presentation for mainstream consumption, which I considered spaceworthy; and keep in mind that this is coming from someone who knows very little about space at all, really.

[zorgon]

No as it doesn't really matter.

YES It really DOES MATTER

Because that is what Pegasus is all about and was created for in the first place. To say it doesn't matter HERE is just silly

Hey RUSSO!!! Glad to see your still kicking  Welcome back

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

YES It really DOES MATTER

Because that is what Pegasus is all about and was created for in the first place. To say it doesn't matter HERE is just silly

Hey RUSSO!!! Glad to see your still kicking  Welcome back

[zorgon]

However, while I won't claim to be nearly as knowledgeable on the subject as you, I've also heard online whispers about the strange and magical things that have possibly been invented under Groom Lake.

It has ALWAYS been our position that yes we went to the Moon but NOT with Apollo...  and it is the Apollo scrap metal that is in question.  What ever secret programs there may or may not be we have presented as much as we have been able to verify and the rest... well... ITS SECRET  LOL

Unfortunately the current charlatans,(Mike Salla, Corey Goode, et al) have so destroyed any credibility in secret astronaut research they might as well be government dis info agents

[zorgon]

Looking at the pictures of the  twisted and buckled plates on the Nasa Space Craft.. if they are for real...

Yes they are for real as they are direct from the NASA Apollo archives with mission number and film reel number

One question is what caused that ?

GOOD QUESTION  No one has ever answered it. Apollo Huggers just blow it off and ignore it.

Now LOOK at this picture you posted... it is OBVIOUSLY photoshopped, because the Moon is NOT black and white (gray scale). We all know that.. have proven it many times... so here you have a full color spacecraft superimposed on a gray scale moon... yet people look at it and assume it is NORMAL and a real photo



I find it difficult to fathom how people just ignore the obvious.

[astr0144]

Apart from a few people on Forums like this... The general public will only believe that the Moons colour is Grey Like..
which is the colour most of us tend to believe that we see when we look up to the Moon from Earth..
but also we do see the Moon from Earth also as differing colours depending when we see it...or what time of the day or year we may see it or at what stage that we see the Moon at..

We can see the moon in the day and it usually looks more grey like... but during the night when its full moon at full glow its appears more brighter or more yellow or golden...

these 3 images show varying colours...

admittedly they do use filters on some images...and some are taken as black and white photos where the image would appear always as more grey like...







I think in this photo thats its closer to the Colour that you suggest is the moons true colour..



or maybe this



NOTE the title in the image ...    the-real-color-of-the-moon

http://www.wallpapers13.com/the-real-color-of-the-moon-0859/

This is how many see the moon... just as a bright shining object in the sky , maybe similar to the Sun in some ways !...




IF NASA are showing real photos of their craft in Space... as the one shown below of the Command Module...
in this case they have shown the moon as being also Grey..




But on the Lunar Module photos where we questioned the varied buckling formations on differing parts of it (depending which photos and what part and area of it was being shown)....you show two almost identical photos of them.. one that shows a Grey Moon and another very similar related photo  is showing what you believe is  the Moons true colour.. a more brown to bronze like colour.


In the Asent stage or TOP Part of the Lunar Module Photos that you posted.... that do appear to be showing the real actual LM craft. and its just the background moon that is more questionable but only for those who question its colour..

so what are they doing then in the difference in these two photos ?   They seem to show the same LM craft even though one seems maybe at different distance away or the photos magnification size vary and the photo  is taken maybe from a slightly different angle..

so are they really showing us a photo of a real lunar module that had taken off from the moon... or is this just made up for creating an image for the public to see ?

and why would they have an issue about hiding the moons real colour unless it has been faked ...

so if they did really go and land there...by Apollo mission or by other means such as a secret space mission..

if the color of the moon is different to what we see from Earth.... could they have not just explained that to the public ? and explain the Science behind why the colour varys...due to Earths atmosphere or what ever....and to have shown actual real footgage of its true colour..

but back in 1969... on Apollo 11.... I dont think they seemed to have very good camera quality so maybe the color shown was mor easily to mislead the public... but that camera quality  had got better by the time they did the last Apollo 17 mission some years later..




IF YOU were to rotate this image by 180 degrees.... and alter its magnification... I think its the exact same image as the one above.... other than the colour of the moon..





ON the Photos of the Lunar Module that shows the side panels as being buckled..... If they are for real... I would find it very hard to believe that the Engineers involved who designed and built it... that they would have allowed such buckling to have occurred..

and if it did actually occur... you would think that theres a good possibility that the Lunar Module would had been damaged in a way that it was a severe problem to the Astronauts in being able to stay inside it in a space like atmosphere without them continually wearing their space suits....to be able to breath or survive within it ... if say it had created holes within the LM system that had leaked air within it..

I assume.... that IF they are real photos of the LM on the moon... that the buckled panels shown... were just some sort of outer skin like protection panels...against heat, or  certain sized minor meteors or small like rocks... rather than dust...  You would think maybe also Dust could get inside the cracks during landing and take off as the Moons lunar dust would be disturbed ....

BUT you would think that that could had done a MUCH better job at its design cover..and covering and fitting it to be either one main piece or to have ensured if say it had been rivited that it was much more or better held together..

but it appears to be screwed or bolted together,  rather than rivited...in 12 parts of more just on that one side that is shown...

what other reasoning would you suggest behind it ?

Yes they are for real as they are direct from the NASA Apollo archives with mission number and film reel number

[ArMaP]

Now LOOK at this picture you posted... it is OBVIOUSLY photoshopped, because the Moon is NOT black and white (gray scale).

Yes, that image was photoshopped, the original looks like this:

We all know that.. have proven it many times... so here you have a full color spacecraft superimposed on a gray scale moon... yet people look at it and assume it is NORMAL and a real photo

Having problems with colours again?

That's not a greyscale Moon, the area to the left (on the original photo) is brownish and the area to the top right corner appears slightly greenish. You can see it by increasing the saturation in any graphics program.

[astr0144]

I am not sure what difference is in the Images that you posted ArMaP.. compared to the other suggested faked image..

Can you clarfy what it is that you have posted that differs... as your posted image just looks similar but just shown at a different angle...that I think is just a photo from your monitor screen ...and it seems black and white or grey in the moons background..

so the background of the moon just looks similar to the grey background in the suggested fake image of the command module..

so what are you saying is different in the original photo that you refer to ?


ArMaP

Yes, that image was photoshopped, the original looks like this:

[zorgon]

Yes, that image was photoshopped, the original looks like this:

Well THAT my friend is the problem As Long as NASA is phtoshopping images who can take them seriously? But you forget  photoshop was not invented back then   And thanks for that photo  It sure proves that they did use THIS SET

Having problems with colours again?

That's not a greyscale Moon, the area to the left (on the original photo) is brownish and the area to the top right corner appears slightly greenish. You can see it by increasing the saturation in any graphics program.

Well yes...  That cheesy greenish and brownish tint was added by the special effects department , which back then was just shining some floodlights onto the moon model they used



As for that spacecraft that is obviously a different resolution, they did it the same way Star Trek did it in the 60's   They hung a model on a string in front of the background

Today we use green screen tech  but back then it was all old school with models and painted back drops  Here is the orginal Enterprize

[ArMaP]

I am not sure what difference is in the Images that you posted ArMaP.. compared to the other suggested faked image..

The other image was cropped and rotated, the original is not.

Can you clarfy what it is that you have posted that differs... as your posted image just looks similar but just shown at a different angle...that I think is just a photo from your monitor screen ...and it seems black and white or grey in the moons background..

No, not a photo of my monitor, that would be silly. I got that photo from The Gateway to Astronaut Photography of Earth

[ArMaP]

Well THAT my friend is the problem As Long as NASA is phtoshopping images who can take them seriously? But you forget  photoshop was not invented back then

I didn't forget it, we are talking about a digital copy, not about a physical copy.

And thanks for that photo  It sure proves that they did use THIS SET

It does not, as we can see that the model looks terribly fake, while what we see on the photo looks natural.

Well yes...  That cheesy greenish and brownish tint was added by the special effects department , which back then was just shining some floodlights onto the moon model they used

You were saying that it was a greyscale image, now you say they were shining floodlights onto the model. 

As for that spacecraft that is obviously a different resolution, they did it the same way Star Trek did it in the 60's   They hung a model on a string in front of the background

Different resolution? That only happens with digital images, when they use parts from different sources to make a composite image. With physical photos the photo would be of the whole set. Even a double exposure would have the same resolution across the whole photo, as the photo would be only one.

[zorgon]

Yes, that image was photoshopped, the original looks like this:

Please explain to me where that picture was taken...  It looks like the command module out side the window of the approaching lander?



I see TWO small triangular windows... Please point to me where on the Lunar Mudule we can see that big square window...

Thanks

[astr0144]

I am not sure how you found the suggested original image in the NASA photo search link that you posted...as the link did not take to the actual photo that you posted.... So I assume you put in certain wording description to have found that particular image... if so could you tell us what description wording that you used to search for that image..

Even then I am still confused.. as the image does not look anything like what Id expect to see  on a NASA website..

It looks very much like an image taken from someones TV or Monitor to me and uploaded..

The reason I say that is because its not Cropped and squared off..or centrilised .. its off centre. ! . Looking at the photo.. it looks angled or  slanted somehow... (That maybe the curvature of the moon in the background at the lower part.... but what are we seeing on the right side and part above)  something does not seem clear or easy to decipher..
I can some sort of faint lines or ghost like imaging to the right and top part of the photo..

I thought all NASA images were cropped... and did not think that they will show any originals that the public actually gets to see that is made obvious.. 

Also why would NASA show the Command Module appearing to look at the angle that your Suggested Original photo
is showing... ie as if its Front part is heading upwards or verticle rather than moving sidewards Horizontally as if its going around the moons equator or similar sort of horizontal line around  another part of the moons Circumference....even thou its slightly tilted.. as the cropped image shows it.. 

I dont think that I have ever seen a picture of a Command Module appearing to be in a tilted sort of take off position before with its nose at the top as such  ! 

In the image you posted.. you can see some colours on the CM if you look closely...so its not a B&W or Grey like photo..

The other image was cropped and rotated, the original is not.
No, not a photo of my monitor, that would be silly. I got that photo from The Gateway to Astronaut Photography of Earth

If that image of the Command Module (CM) is real... then I can only think that it was taken from the Lunar Module .. either after it departed to go to land on the Moon..   or later after when it had left or taken of from the moon to reconnect back with the C.M...

what other craft could have been out there to have taken that photo ?  Nothing that I can think of or am aware of..

without looking at  very close up details of the LM... I think its hard to say how or from where the photo could have been taken from...   Could they have had cameras on the outside to take photos rather than astronauts taking a photo from behind a window...

That was also Apollo 16 CM. so they may have altered something for the better photo wise... since the Apollo 11 mission..

Zorgon..
Please explain to me where that picture was taken...  It looks like the command module out side the window of the approaching lander?

I see TWO small triangular windows... Please point to me where on the Lunar Mudule we can see that big square window...

Thanks

[ArMaP]

Please explain to me where that picture was taken...  It looks like the command module out side the window of the approaching lander?

Yes, that's it.

I see TWO small triangular windows... Please point to me where on the Lunar Mudule we can see that big square window...

What big square window? We only see two sides of the window frame.

Judging by the look of the window frame and the position of the shade it looks to be the window on the left side (looking out of the LM) of the LM.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

This might help.