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Started by zorgon, March 26, 2019, 06:52:14 PM

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ArMaP

Quote from: The Seeker on April 03, 2019, 03:04:55 AM
Two wrongs don't make a right, so the prayer will probably lead to a reprimand; but being indignant and demanding an apology for what is often a normal part of American life is unacceptable
Saying a prayer thanking god for some politicians "standing beside Israel" is a normal part of American life?

WhatTheHey

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Quote from: Ellirium113 on April 03, 2019, 10:14:03 PM
NO. Some people are neither male or female, some are unicorns  :P . Genetically we are the same but aside from that we couldn't be more different. If we can't be on the same page on the inside what does it matter what the outside looks like? Forrest Gump was right life is like a box of chocolates. You can see they all look very similar but when you bite into it they are not the same.

    LOL "NO." Wrong.  You say exactly what I said with different words, yet do so as if it disagrees.  lol   "Genetically we are the same but aside from that we couldn't be more different."  What do you think "We are all of the same stuff, you are of me as I am of you." means. lol  Its our bodies, (Hunger, shelter, water.) that place the needs upon us that leads to some conflicts and war.  The reasons we fight that involve things other then physical needs are the very things choices make or break.  With the right understanding we can be a sharing human race.  The differences you speak of are the same I pointed out like this "We argue over such things as the name we choose to call our deity."  and there are others of the similar type.
   The difference you are stuck on is a matter of choices and being on the same page is something that is a matter of choice.  The choices we make are one thing mentally healthy people can aim towards being right.  Being right equaling being on the side deciding to do what is best and beneficial for most, if not all. While avoiding the pitfalls of greed, envy and animosity.  It apparently comes down to whether a person has a righteous mind set or not.  Lets remember righteous simply means (of a person or conduct) morally right or justifiable; virtuous.
    A matter of choice can put anyone whom chooses it on the same page.   Treat others as you want to be treated, I imagine you can understand that is a good thing.  Unless you have a mental illness you shouldn't be wishing ill upon yourself.  Aside from a person with that type of condition, we would all be able to take steps that are badly needed and be going the right way for a change. lol   
   It really just boils down to choosing to be one for all, or one for yourself.  We are able to correct this self destruction.  It can be done if we just choose it.
The real challenge seems to be finding a way to help those who can't get passed their internal mental walls of self centered and belligerent behavior.  I really hope we as a race do this before it is to late.   

  Lets face it, we love our children but we don't love everything they do, so we teach them. Think about it.

  Have a great day! ;D
   
WhatTheHey

The Seeker

Quote from: ArMaP on April 04, 2019, 12:15:28 AM
Saying a prayer thanking god for some politicians "standing beside Israel" is a normal part of American life?
Armap, for some of the citizens here, yes, it is, for to them it is the holy land, just as it is for Islam;

the original immigrants to America were leaving Europe to escape religious persecution, and religious freedom, the right to worship however and whoever you so chose, is ingrained into the very roots of this nation; being offended and showing your ass because a free citizen said a prayer according to their beliefs is unacceptable;

the intelligent move would have been to counterpoise by offering a prayer to her deity asking for guidance and protection for all instead of acting stupid

we are dealing with a religion here that instructs its followers that if they can't convert us, is to kill us; look at the reports from all over Europe of the raping of western women by muslims because they feel it is their right to do so to any female that is not escorted by a male family member, the brutality of Sharia law, and what should be termed inherent barbarism that follows Islamic control; just look back at ISIS and their deeds

Our political system has issues and problems right now; we don't need proponents of Islam worming and bullying their way in to inject more chaos and disruption

she doesn't want to be offended, then she needs to go to a muslim nation where she can enjoy the benefits of sharia law and be stoned to death for far less than what she did here

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zorgon

Quote from: ArMaP on April 04, 2019, 12:15:28 AM
Saying a prayer thanking god for some politicians "standing beside Israel" is a normal part of American life?

No it isn't :P We are SUPPOSED to have separation of Church and State

The biggest problem we face is thinking that America is one big melting pot where all nations come to adopt our way of life...

That USED to be true 20-30 years ago... when immigrants (LEGAL ONES) genuinely came to make a new life. Most like my parents came with little more than a suitcase and a hope.

But today, there is no melting pot... each group sets up their own communities... They want to keep things the way they were back home, have no intention of assimilating into our culture, but want the free benefits we offer citizens

In the end you get the NO GO zones like we are seeing in Europe and now Australia


zorgon

Quote from: petrus4 on April 03, 2019, 10:57:08 AM
Maybe trying to warn people ahead of time is the wrong approach.

It seems to me, that most people are not going to be persuaded that a problem exists, before a disaster actually happens.  I can understand wanting to prevent a negative event from happening, but realistically, I don't think that that is going to happen in this case.  Most people treat claims that Islam is a problem as completely false arguments, and just condemn the people making said claims as bigots

You may be right and I have had such response from Liberals.... but I am not ready yet to be over run by the Barbarian Horde that destroys all civilizations :P

QuoteMaybe the only approach that is actually going to work, is simply to back off, and allow the Islamic agenda to progress until it becomes so completely obvious, that the majority become aware that yes, this really is happening.

Well we DO have one fortunate situation... both Europe and Australia are far adhead of us in the area of Islamic invasion... so we can watch it happen to them and HOPEFULLY enough wake up here in America to stop it before it is too late...

In the meantime we already have one US city that is now dominant in Islam and the towers calling them to prayer run 5 times a day.

And we still have our guns... IF the Demonrats actually ever got to that point of confiscating them there would be a brutal civil war.  Every time Obama mentioned "gun control, the gun makers recorded RECORD gun sales and permits issue. Ammunition is stocked up. What do you think will happen if the Demonrats try to kill the constitution?

QuoteI know that the counter-argument would likely be that by that point it would be too late; but again speaking realistically, I think we already went past the point of no return a while back. 

I agree and the signs are every where  A quiet little school in New Jersey  has some "peaceful' Muslims screaming at the school board that "We will be in the majority soon" when the school board refused to add Muslim holidays to the school calendar




zorgon

#50



Bill Bolser
5 months ago
They're not happy in Gaza ..
They're not happy in Egypt ..
They're not happy in Libya ..
They're not happy in Morocco ..
They're not happy in Iran ..
They're not happy in Iraq ..
They're not happy in Yemen ..
They're not happy in Afghanistan ..
They're not happy in Pakistan ..
They're not happy in Syria ..
They're not happy in Lebanon ..
They're not happy in Malaysia..
They're not happy in Indonesia..

SO, WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY?

They're happy in Australia .
They're happy in Canada .
They're happy in England ..
They're happy in France ..
They're happy in Italy ..
They're happy in Germany ..
They're happy in Sweden ..
They're happy in the USA ..
They're happy in Norway ..
They're happy in Holland .
They're happy in Denmark .

Basically, they're happy in every country that is not Muslim and unhappy in
every country that is!

AND WHO DO THEY BLAME?

Not Islam.
Not their leadership.
Not themselves.

THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!

AND THEN; They want to change those countries to be like.
THE COUNTRY THEY CAME FROM WHERE THEY WERE UNHAPPY

ArMaP

Quote from: The Seeker on April 04, 2019, 03:08:34 AM
Armap, for some of the citizens here, yes, it is, for to them it is the holy land, just as it is for Islam;
No, Jerusalem is considered a holy place, Israel, as it is today, is not.

Quotethe original immigrants to America were leaving Europe to escape religious persecution, and religious freedom, the right to worship however and whoever you so chose, is ingrained into the very roots of this nation; being offended and showing your ass because a free citizen said a prayer according to their beliefs is unacceptable;
What about the right to feel offended?

Quotethe intelligent move would have been to counterpoise by offering a prayer to her deity asking for guidance and protection for all instead of acting stupid
It's the same deity, and, as someone said before, two wrongs do not make a right. ;)

Quotewe are dealing with a religion here that instructs its followers that if they can't convert us, is to kill us; look at the reports from all over Europe of the raping of western women by muslims because they feel it is their right to do so to any female that is not escorted by a male family member,
I haven't see any credible report.

Quotethe brutality of Sharia law, and what should be termed inherent barbarism that follows Islamic control; just look back at ISIS and their deeds
Many of ISIS' actions were against what Islam says.

QuoteOur political system has issues and problems right now; we don't need proponents of Islam worming and bullying their way in to inject more chaos and disruption
"Bullying"? How?

Quoteshe doesn't want to be offended, then she needs to go to a muslim nation where she can enjoy the benefits of sharia law and be stoned to death for far less than what she did here
"Far less than what she did here"? What she did that would be considered a crime under sharia law?

ArMaP

Quote from: zorgon on April 04, 2019, 05:18:06 AM
But today, there is no melting pot... each group sets up their own communities...
And why does that happen?

Irene

Quote from: ArMaP on April 05, 2019, 01:11:45 AM
And why does that happen?


Because they're assholes who are here for the government benefits.
Shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.....

The Seeker

#54
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://dmlnews.com/report-ilhan-omar-urges-release-jailed-muslim-brotherhood-leader-report-says/&sa=D&source=hangouts&ust=1554514452684000&usg=AFQjCNGrUftZ6BfqZlfkwUZiGS4QexpssA



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REPORT: Ilhan Omar Urges Release Of Jailed Muslim Brotherhood Leader, Report Says

As the most reliable and balanced news aggregation service on the internet, DML News offers the following information published by The Daily Wire:

Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) advocated on Tuesday for releasing a senior member of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood (MB) — which is designated by several nations as a terrorist organization.

"I recently met with @jkbadawy and @thefreedomi to talk about Hoda Abdelmonem, a political prisoner in Egypt," Omar tweeted from her official Congressional Twitter account. "I hope that Trump brings up her case in his meeting with the regime that has imprisoned her. We must work to #FreeHoda."

The article goes on to state the following:


REPORT: Ilhan Omar Urges Release Of Jailed Muslim Brotherhood Leader, Report Says


Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) advocated on Tuesday for releasing a senior member of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood (MB) — which is designated by several nations as a terrorist organization.


"I recently met with @jkbadawy and @thefreedomi to talk about Hoda Abdelmonem, a political prisoner in Egypt," Omar tweeted from her official Congressional Twitter account. "I hope that Trump brings up her case in his meeting with the regime that has imprisoned her. We must work to #FreeHoda."

The article goes on to state the following:


Conservative Review's Jordan Schachtel reported that Hoda Abdelmonem is "a senior member in the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood's women's affiliate," adding that she "remains an influential figure and a senior leader in the Islamist outfit, and the campaign for her release has been a top priority item for Muslim Brotherhood-aligned individuals, groups, and governments."

I recently met with @jkbadawy and @thefreedomi to talk about Hoda Abdelmonem, a political prisoner in Egypt. I hope that Trump brings up her case in his meeting with the regime that has imprisoned her. We must work to #FreeHoda.


More at the link

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zorgon

Quote from: ArMaP on April 05, 2019, 01:10:44 AM
No, Jerusalem is considered a holy place, Israel, as it is today, is not.

True  and Orthodix Jews say Israel should not exist

QuoteWhat about the right to feel offended?

That is Snowflake thinking :P  be offended by anything and everything. Americans (and people in general) used to have thicker skins. Didn't easily get offended over every stupid little thing

WhatTheHey

Quote from: zorgon on April 05, 2019, 05:45:36 AM
That is Snowflake thinking :P  be offended by anything and everything. Americans (and people in general) used to have thicker skins. Didn't easily get offended over every stupid little thing

   :(  BINGO, I agreed entirely, and would add that the pushing of this POLITICALLY CORRECT idea has added to this problem.  Offering many opportunities to claim discrimination or racism and along with this is the fact that being politically correct actually means being deliberately wrong!   As it makes one disincline to say many things accurately even when its the truth!
     Sad state of affairs it is being pushed, even frightened into saying something in a way you know is not the truth in order to avoid any repercussions.  A foul and nasty maneuver it is.  This Snowflake thinking as you said, is apparently responsible for the increase in people suing each other, often over statements that arise from being politically incorrect.  Even though said statement was true.  These thin skins lead to augments and often violence in this day and age too.  :(

   Man, its enough to makes you *&&% ^$$&* &^@%  %@$&^!  and then some.....lol    ;D
WhatTheHey

zorgon

Quote from: WhatTheHey on April 06, 2019, 01:46:59 AM
     Sad state of affairs it is being pushed, even frightened into saying something in a way you know is not the truth in order to avoid any repercussions.  A foul and nasty maneuver it is.  This Snowflake thinking as you said, is apparently responsible for the increase in people suing each other, often over statements that arise from being politically incorrect.  Even though said statement was true.  These thin skins lead to augments and often violence in this day and age too.  :(

It gets WORSE  and the Snowflakes are listening to Demonrat professors and not bothering to even READ or fact check... like this one...

THIS should scare the hell out of you, because these people will be the next voters, and not one of them had any clue about reality... they blindly follow what they have been fed   


ArMaP

Quote from: WhatTheHey on April 06, 2019, 01:46:59 AM
   :(  BINGO, I agreed entirely, and would add that the pushing of this POLITICALLY CORRECT idea has added to this problem.
I think it happened in the opposite order, first came the so called "politically correct" way, then what some people call "snowflake thinking".
To me, it looks like the politically correct way of saying things started innocuously because of the way English words are, as things like "spokesman" and "chairman" imply a specific sex for the person occupying those positions and it didn't sound right when they were occupied by women, something that didn't happen before.

From then (and as usual, specially in the US) things escalated, as people wanted more and more of that and fell into the opposite situation, when almost any thing we say has to go through a kind of self-censure.

QuoteThis Snowflake thinking as you said, is apparently responsible for the increase in people suing each other, often over statements that arise from being politically incorrect.  Even though said statement was true.  These thin skins lead to augments and often violence in this day and age too.  :(
Once more, I think things started in the opposite order, as the "lawsuit mentality" in the US has been creating opportunities for something like that to appear, a mentality that thinks more of "how can I get something from this" than "is it really wrong?"

Also, this so called "snowflake thinking" is a result of political differences, as it started to appear (as far as I can see) applied by one side of the political divide in the US to the other side, using that kindergarten way of doing things the US politics likes so much and that makes the US look ridiculous to outside viewers.

ArMaP

Quote from: zorgon on April 06, 2019, 06:32:41 AM
THIS should scare the hell out of you, because these people will be the next voters, and not one of them had any clue about reality... they blindly follow what they have been fed
That has been happening for many years, but people just didn't worry about it, as there wasn't such a divide between the two main political sides of the US politics, and has been happening with influences from both sides, with different sides being more or less influential in different places.

Once more, for someone that has been watching this happening from the outside for the last 40 years, this is nothing new, the only new thing is the level of extremism now.