Noah's Flood - Fact or Fiction?

[Captain Dave]

So in other words, if the Moon gets moved closer to Earth by some force, or another large enough spatial mass wanders past, then the Oceans could move around alot causing flooding? Or I should say could have caused flooding?

Looking at the moons surface, and seeing what has been called lava flows (not sure if thats correct terminology) I'm guessing something hot, heavy and moving at great speed hit the moon at one point or another? I wonder if during that same time period, the Earth also received a few hits?

Given that the moon remains "locked" facing us and line of sight issues I really think we probably got hit first.

[Captain Dave]

It seems like quite a few different things could have or have happened to Earth over 4.5 billion years.

It would be nice to have a chronological order and list of all Major natural disasters.

I wonder if some method has been used to date when all major craters on Earth occured? I'd love to have that list...

I was once told by a "bible scholar friend" who said that the text's on the exodus from egypt were mistranslated. That in fact Moses fled aross a "sea of reed's" or marsh-land's and not the Red Sea as portrayed.

I later heard that an archeological team found evidence that a volcano had erupted in the area around the same time as Moses exodus and a sunami occured.



   

[undo11]

It seems like quite a few different things could have or have happened to Earth over 4.5 billion years.

It would be nice to have a chronological order and list of all Major natural disasters.

I wonder if some method has been used to date when all major craters on Earth occured? I'd love to have that list...

I was once told by a "bible scholar friend" who said that the text's on the exodus from egypt were mistranslated. That in fact Moses fled aross a "sea of reed's" or marsh-land's and not the Red Sea as portrayed.

I later heard that an archeological team found evidence that a volcano had erupted in the area around the same time as Moses exodus and a sunami occured.

my favorite was in a book written several years ago now that described the parting of the red sea in a very unique way.  he said they were accompianed by a space ship the entire way. that it generated the pillar of fire by night and the pillar of cloud by day, and that descriptions of the area on the night before the parting of the sea, could be easily construed to be a large craft, hovering above the sea in that area and literally evaporating all water below it, creating the wind blowing thru the camp the night before.  i'd have to go hunt it down, as it is a fascinating description of almost every sighting in the old testament and a couple in the new as well.

[undo11]

not finding it but i did find this little gem. it's carl sagan theorizing how to terraform the planet venus:

The late astronomer and astrophysicist Carl Sagan once put forward an ingenious plan for terraforming (making a planet hospitable) the currently infernal world of Venus. Sagan calculated that if we bombarded Venus with 1000 rocket-loads of blue-green algae, some of the hardy one-celled organisms would reproduce in the upper atmosphere before crashing down to the surface, which has a temperature of 900 degrees Fahrenheit. This incredibly hot temperature is nothing to some algae that thrive in boiling hot springs on Earth. Rocket-loads of the tough algae cells released into the thick cloud cover continually over a period of years would ultimately allow a flourishing colony of cells that would convert the carbon-dioxide in the Venusian atmosphere into oxygen. After several hundred years, enough oxygen would be formed on Venus to cool down the planet and vastly reduce the Venusian greenhouse effect. This in turn would allow the significant amounts of water vapour which is known to exist in the atmosphere of Venus to fall as rain. The end product would be a cycle of rainfall and the formation of rivers and lakes on the planet. Sagan's plans are not pipe dreams; computer simulations have determined that a terraforming programme for Venus is entirely feasible if enough time, money and technology is provided for the project, which would literally reap astronomical profits. A transformed Venus would not only become a second Earth for humanity to colonise, it would present unprecedented territorial ownership disputes among the nations of Earth.

As Venus has no tectonic plate system like Earth, it would be earthquake free. Secondly, the Venusian day lasts 243 Earth days; that would be 243 days of continual sunshine in the planet's tropical belt, which entails obvious advantages over Earth's tourist industry. Venus would become the ultimate retreat for this planet's millionaires, and the ultra-novel extraterrestrial holiday location would require a sizeable workforce from Earth. The prolonged period of sunshine on Venus would probably necessitate subterranean or air-conditioned dwellings where artificial night could be simulated. Another possibility at stimulating a localised form of night could work by orbiting inflatable reflective myelin mirrors around the planet. The shadows of these mirrors falling on the surface of Venus would create an oasis of darkness which the inhabitants would experience as a solar eclipse effect. Alternatively, perhaps anyone tiring of the eight-month day could even journey to the dark side of Venus, where the stars would be on view for as long as there were clear skies. Of course, no one is entirely sure what resources lie beneath the Venusian crust, but as the planet is almost a twin of the Earth in size and gravity, we must surmise that there will be radioactive ores, gold, silver and many other precious metals and minerals present.

http://www.reocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/5469/oldtestament.html

[burntheships]

There is at least good Biblical reason for us to not base "fact" upon what can be found and "seen" in all of the ........ologys, because of various Biblical scriptures, including Hebrews 11:3:

-------------------"Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.------------------ 

Doesn't that pretty much says to us that "The things that we "see", in all of our "science", may very well not be "the fact of any matter"? God spoke it all into existence, except for man, whom he did made with his hands.

Yes, Rdunk I agree with you here on this.

Well, as much as the subject can hold, I would like to
inquire what others think about the aspect of the possibility
that Noah was chosen due to his DNA.

In that time there were Angels that had come to earth
and had inter mingled with the women....

Its very controversial, yet I keep finding so many
items to point back to this.

Noah's DNA was not 'corrupted" or otherwise he was found
to be acceptable. What was the criteria?

[undo11]

Yes, Rdunk I agree with you here on this.

Well, as much as the subject can hold, I would like to
inquire what others think about the aspect of the possibility
that Noah was chosen due to his DNA.

In that time there were Angels that had come to earth
and had inter mingled with the women....

Its very controversial, yet I keep finding so many
items to point back to this.

Noah's DNA was not 'corrupted" or otherwise he was found
to be acceptable. What was the criteria?

that's an interesting question because in other hebrew writings it is said that noah's parents were concerned at his appearance.  he looked different but they were assured he was normal.  i'm not sure on the details.

the biblical account suggests, that noah was not genetically polluted, and that appeared to be a requirement.  i am stumped as to what the pollution was that it would qualify wiping some and not wiping others but it clearly had something to do with his "Generations", which i view as a very big clue that the pollution was genetic..

[Shasta56]

I've, shall we say, encountered the idea that cross-species procreation was possible at one time.  This idea accounts for centaurs, mermaids, harpies and various other mixed species.  Non-polluted genetic material and/or offspring would have been single species.  Only human, only feline, only equine, etc.  I was not an eyewitness, as far as I know, so I can only offer what I've encountered in other writings.

Shasta

[burntheships]

Undo,

It is very interesting, especially considering that there is
no mention of Noahs wife, and it is known that mtDNA is passed
on by the mothers eggs.

I find it all very interesting.

[A51Watcher]

Undo,

It is very interesting, especially considering that there is
no mention of Noahs wife, and it is known that mtDNA is passed
on by the mothers eggs.

I find it all very interesting.

Great point bts.

As a genealogist, when I discovered the fact about mtDNA being passed along by the mother, it occured to me how backwards we have the tradition of women taking men's names at marriage.

In all aspects it would be more logical to trace to have it the other way round. Keep the mothers name along with the mtDNA that goes with it please.


We genealogisits have a hard enough time as it is, trying to piece together all these bits of informations!   

(Tracing one's biological history is coming into play quite a bit these days to determine one's risk or being prone to experience certain conditions due to heriditary history.)

[burntheships]

Area51,

Yes, well what you mention also applies to what we know
about the egyptian's and their lineage,
correct me if I am wrong.

(its late and I am tired)

Well, I am glued to the thread. I have long studied the
account of Noah, and his Ark....acutally since being a young girl.

I try to keep an open mind.

[Linda Brown]

A51...
You said
"As a genealogist, when I discovered the fact about mtDNA being passed along by the mother, it occured to me how backwards we have the tradition of women taking men's names at marriage.

Hasn't always been that way though.... until the religions who were paternalistic took over... the womans linage was very carefully noted. Those who are now watching what some have called " the Feminine Rising" might say that things are swinging the other way....

I wanted to ask you if you have studied the possibility that Psychic abilities may be inherited... and  if they somehow may be linked to the Mitochondrial DNA that you mention..... Mr. Twigsnapper on our Forum has for years fallen back on the saying.... over and over and over again " Remember The Women..... Now he admittedly for most of his colorful life has been quite an admirer of women....( usually the dangerous, pistol under the pillow, white gardenia in her hair type) BUT I have always felt when he hits us with that saying over and over again that he is meaning something really serious here......

Am I right in thinking that all of the human species genetically can be traced back to FIVE women?

That little bit of information got lodged in my brain and I am not sure that it is accurate or not.  Linda

[A51Watcher]

Am I right in thinking that all of the human species genetically can be traced back to FIVE women?

I am not up on the latest in this field, but as I recall the number is quite small.

The only other relevant fact I am aware of is that The Wolf is the original ancestor of all dog species we see today. It contains all of the original information that is seen only partially in all of the various offshoots of dog breeds we see today, but they all trace back to The Wolf.

Could we consider The Wolf to have 'untainted' genetics?


edit to add:  not sure about the passing along paranormal abilities part, but you know the old saying, 'it runs in the family'.

'It' (whatever that might happen to be in question, health considerations or natural inclinations or abilities) has also been known to skip a generation then re- appear.

   

[Amaterasu]

'It' (whatever that might happen to be in question, health considerations or natural inclinations or abilities) has also been known to skip a generation then re- appear.

I note that My father, who was quite brilliant mathematically passed none of that skill to any of Us three kids, but My daughter, the only grandchild, one day as I was explaining the number line to Her at age four, looked up at Me and said, "Mommy, math is easy!"

I was thrilled!  I only hoped She still thought that when She hit calc and trig!  At 9, She is in a magnet school for math and science now, and I hear, getting A's.

So it did indeed skip a generation.

[Shasta56]

Psychic/psychotic traits run in my family.  It seems to be psychic traits on the paternal side and psychotic traits on the maternal side.  No wonder I think I'm a cat.

Shasta

[The Matrix Traveller]

Hi Undo11,

Firstly Let me apologize to  Captain Dave, as my first Post was about my understanding
of "Noah's Flood" and the Connection to what is about to take place some time in the future.
It was NOT my wish to be led into the fruitless discussion which followed.

So  Captain Dave please accept my deepest apologies for what has occurred.


Undo11,

Re. my statement which should NOT be taken out of Context Quote;

At present we are approaching a "Node" or "Peak" in the Thermal Cycle where the Change
takes place, referred to, in some of the Ancient writings now incorrectly treated as religious writings
by many.

Undo11, You wrote Quote;

read the last part: "incorrectly treated as religious writings " as "incorrect religious writings." lol

now it could be argued that what we call religious writings are in fact, just their historical texts
and we have took to calling them "religious" because they deal with "hypernatural" phenomenon
(something i've proposed to a limited degree, but not entirely).

  to me, the old texts are windows into the past about the lifestyles of those ancient people,
their royals, the extent of their knowledge they were willing to reveal and the little bread crumb
trails they have left scattered about that verify the data as being indeed, hyper- or super-natural.
i don't view such data as fictitiousp

Neither do I

since most of it can be done with science today. and since the laws of science were theoretically the same then as they are now, it's not hard to connect the dots once you come to grips with it in the first place.

that's not to say that the "miraculous" didn't happen, but rather it not only happened, it happened as a result of advanced scientific knowledge, many millenia in advance of human knowledge.  it seems to also contain hyperdimensional or other dimensional info, so i don't think it is all mundane information.

Sorry Undo11, I am at a loss to what your argument is.         

As I have agreed with you.

So you have lost me on this One.... Sorry     


My Definition, regarding "incorrectly treated as religious writings"

I see the ancient writings as being very relevant, as I guess you do too.

I understand The writings, as Parables, regarding the History of the Soul
and "The Metamorphose of The Soul".

Now the reason I see them in this way, is the result of Experiencing Death (so called)
in August 1973.

I was certified officially, as "Brain Dead".

A doctor pronounced my body as officially or legally  "Dead", in August 1973.

More than 30 + minutes later, I was then conscious of this world once again.

So I have no requirement, to guess about WHAT (NOT Who)
has produced the ALL weather you believe me or not.

It makes no difference whatsoever to the TRUTH of what happened.

Sorry, but you have no power to change this Fact, through what you want to believe or not.

You are entirely free to believe what you want or don't want to but you don't have the right
to accuse me of Lying or that my writings aren't true.

Now the reason I say the Ancient Writings regarding The Soul are in "Parables" is because
I clearly recognize what is hidden in these writings, as a result of experiencing "Outside"
this known universe during the 30 + minute period mentioned above, whether you believe it not.

Regarding "Noah's Flood"; I gave an account of this in my original post in this forum.

My original Post in this forum, was about what I knew about The Earth's "Thermal Cycles"
and the connection with "Noah's Flood. Some of which has been reported on TV etc.

I thought it may be of interest to others and add some understanding.


As regard to the questions you asked regarding the source you can find those answers in my forum.

The reason I have Not answered your question, regarding the Source in this forum,
was because of your unwarranted sarcastic remarks, and as I respect  Captain Dave,
I have no desire to address questions relating to other subjects in this Forum,
unless  Captain Dave Himself wants to me to.

But really there is so much involved, it would require repeating my forum here, and that is simply
not practicable.. 

With regard to explaining more regarding "Noah's flood" I am more than happy to do so.   

If Not then that's also OK by me.