Noah's Flood - Fact or Fiction?

[Littleenki]

just out of curiosity, is there a tanglible, verifiable fact, older than like 1 minute ago?

Yes, Undo, Im still hungry!;)
LE

[1Worldwatcher]

Final decisons, and ominous declarations of any phase of this conversation will cause that progression to wane, and it isnt the direction for someone who has true interest in this subject to walk in.

Hi Littlenki,
I was glad you responded the way you did, and I do understand, I have been a member of the Pegasus group since it began back in the Yahoo groups days, it is just my posting numbers are low due to reluctance of posting anything I don't know about.
I was never pulling sides or trying to deem any of this conversation as not worthy of discussion, I was merely pointing out without the ark with writing on the hull, there is going to be only speculation.
I have seen the figure represented for being the ark on the mountain long ago, and it is definitely a maritime vessel, but what vessel, your guess is as good as mine. There is no other substantial evidences to prove of it's validity, and doesn't in no way shape or form conclusively come to an answer.
I know both Undo and Matrix from ATS days. I have always respected their input and discussions, and will continue to do so. They are associates that are well merited for what we do here on the Pegasus group, and by no means did I mean I would under mind their "Thesis" of what is and what is not of this topic. I am atheist, so I don't care one way or the other, but with possibility of AI DNA manipulation? Sounds more acceptable than an 'All Loving God' story.
I once had an astronomer friend that taught me how to use my telescope and the importance of measurement whilst using it, one of her favorite saying's was "Off by just 1/10 of a degree, your still a billion miles of to the reality." With that in High and sight, I Was just saying that, even though both Undo and Matrix qualify for translating the current discussion of talk, it will and still does remain a question of 'Biblical' proportion's in analogy. (Pun intended)LOL
The ancient glyph's are more readily to be the right answer, but questioning a translation from one form to another becomes moot for deciphering without both sides of the table standing ground.
I know Undo and Matrix Respect one another as well. And as I do, I will not quit asking question's and searching for answers. It is a part of 'My' DNA too want to know, but until that answer comes for this particular discussion topic "has anyone yet proved that the Noah's Ark story has a real Ark too find?"
Sciences provide proof of the deluge, it just hasn't been able too exactly coincide all texts as factual autobiographies or absolute oral transmission.
Thanks for your input, I do understand what you are conveying, and I will not ever discern a member here for their take on what is what when I don't even know...
With Respects,
1Worldwatcher 

[Linda Brown]

"I have interpreted nothing. I was merely pointing out the irresistible need to be correct of such matters. Matrix has a very good idea of what is being discussed, but it still doesn't pertain to the whole Ark story. Not saying your argument doesn't or shouldn't be merited, just that the time lines are absolutely obscured from one event too another.
That's all."

And I have been sitting on the sidelines watching this conversation unfolding and wondering...." why.... its almost as if the entire LivingMoon conversations have been put on a sort of...time off of the thread.... time off.....sideline.... waitfor it....... And I am wondering in the middle of this wonderful windchime that is called the LivingMoon....  why suddenly everything seems to have quieted to one note....and concentrated on also " taking a breath".... What is it that is coming our way?

Just a strange thought from the sidelines.    Linda

[Littleenki]

Hi Littlenki,
I was glad you responded the way you did, and I do understand, I have been a member of the Pegasus group since it began back in the Yahoo groups days, it is just my posting numbers are low due to reluctance of posting anything I don't know about.
I was never pulling sides or trying to deem any of this conversation as not worthy of discussion, I was merely pointing out without the ark with writing on the hull, there is going to be only speculation.
I have seen the figure represented for being the ark on the mountain long ago, and it is definitely a maritime vessel, but what vessel, your guess is as good as mine. There is no other substantial evidences to prove of it's validity, and doesn't in no way shape or form conclusively come to an answer.
I know both Undo and Matrix from ATS days. I have always respected their input and discussions, and will continue to do so. They are associates that are well merited for what we do here on the Pegasus group, and by no means did I mean I would under mind their "Thesis" of what is and what is not of this topic. I am atheist, so I don't care one way or the other, but with possibility of AI DNA manipulation? Sounds more acceptable than an 'All Loving God' story.
I once had an astronomer friend that taught me how to use my telescope and the importance of measurement whilst using it, one of her favorite saying's was "Off by just 1/10 of a degree, your still a billion miles of to the reality." With that in High and sight, I Was just saying that, even though both Undo and Matrix qualify for translating the current discussion of talk, it will and still does remain a question of 'Biblical' proportion's in analogy. (Pun intended)LOL
The ancient glyph's are more readily to be the right answer, but questioning a translation from one form to another becomes moot for deciphering without both sides of the table standing ground.
I know Undo and Matrix Respect one another as well. And as I do, I will not quit asking question's and searching for answers. It is a part of 'My' DNA too want to know, but until that answer comes for this particular discussion topic "has anyone yet proved that the Noah's Ark story has a real Ark too find?"
Sciences provide proof of the deluge, it just hasn't been able too exactly coincide all texts as factual autobiographies or absolute oral transmission.
Thanks for your input, I do understand what you are conveying, and I will not ever discern a member here for their take on what is what when I don't even know...
With Respects,
1Worldwatcher

Hey 1WW, and thanks for the wise insightful reply!
I did see something special in your post wording, and kind of saw you knew your stuff by those few  words within.
It is really great to meet another person who has been with these folks for years, as many here seem to have been.
I am blessed to join you guys here, and have a place for the exchange of these wonderful ideas, and theories.

Now, about that ark....
I will say, that image of the ark is overwhelmingly boatlike, and for it to be anything but, is a departure from reality, yet was it a boat?
Or, was it a symbolically constructed building, made to represent a boat, that would have been high enough in the mountains to stay safe during the flood, or at least was launched higher up.

I, as a bit of an archaeology buff, would also wonder, if it isnt a boat, maybe there is much more to dig up in the surrounding area, thats so deep noone has found any clues.
The ark as a building? Why not?
Damn, Ive exposed my esoteric personality! Just kill me now!LOL!:D

Cheers, and it's a pleasure to make your acquaintance, 1worldwatcher!
Littleenki

[Amaterasu]

Been watching M'self here and thinking...  The "Noah" story is a lot older than the Bible.  The Bible is just the latest in a string of such stories...  And I do believe Enki (the "God," not Our esteemed member here) did help some of Humanity avoid the deluge, however it came to be...

[Littleenki]

"I have interpreted nothing. I was merely pointing out the irresistible need to be correct of such matters. Matrix has a very good idea of what is being discussed, but it still doesn't pertain to the whole Ark story. Not saying your argument doesn't or shouldn't be merited, just that the time lines are absolutely obscured from one event too another.
That's all."

And I have been sitting on the sidelines watching this conversation unfolding and wondering...." why.... its almost as if the entire LivingMoon conversations have been put on a sort of...time off of the thread.... time off.....sideline.... waitfor it....... And I am wondering in the middle of this wonderful windchime that is called the LivingMoon....  why suddenly everything seems to have quieted to one note....and concentrated on also " taking a breath".... What is it that is coming our way?

Just a strange thought from the sidelines.    Linda

Indeed, Linda, and why have several of us dove into this thread with wild abandon?

It could be a sign, and if it is, as long as it involves boats and the sea...Im on board...pun intended:)

What is it about the Bible, and the world's mysteries today, that doesnt want to stop interacting?
Is it that the Bible really is a code book like some say, and full of indicators of whats to come, without all the religious and godlike undertones? Was it the original format for our Disinformation we so love to hate?

Are we headed into that "approaching wave" where spirituality meets technology?

I know we are, as why would we be here discussing Noah and the ark with such fervor?

So many cross linked tidbits here, it's like a table of hors deuvres to be scoffed upon like so mnay ravenous partygoers! Chow down folks, it's all there for free!

I, for one, am progressing ahead patiently, whilest finding clues in my own life, such as my recent reaffirming of my obligation to society to offer any help I can in the technology department. This is why I feel Ive been drawn to the Token and the Moon, as it's a "magnet" for knowledge and learning for me.
A place to connect with people who have open minds, and fresh ideas, to further the cause of mankind's continued progression into what I like to call the Golden Day, where mind and body become one, and all physical chains of bondage are cast aside.

The ark is truly a bonding theme for many, and maybe it's the one piece of true evidence we will need to propel us into that realm of joy, Dolores Cannon speaks so candidly of.

Could the ark be that bond?

A bond between man and gods, proving our ancestral heritage beyond a shadow of a doubt, as a duality based lifeform, created for the sole purpose of excercising our demons from our ethereal selves, so we can once again become the "gods" we once were, back in Noah's day.
Dying in the flood to be reborn with new life, just less godlike?

Of course, with the agreeance of many here, I must add that those "gods" may have been the Sumerian annunaki, and the originators of our hybrid species.
And they were well known for the control of watery occurences, werent they?

Cheers!
Littleenki

[Linda Brown]

I am happy that you were able to see what I was trying to point out....That there are things going on here and that we are responding to those impulses even here on the LivingMoon.... or maybe I should say... especially on the LivingMoon. I consider that all of you may be specially refined antennae....

And I feel like a party pooper for not jumping right on into this Noahs Arc discussion.

When I was a kid this was one of the stories that most fascinated me. I loved stories of Ancient Times and spent all kinds of time researching what various civilizations did. I learned quickly that the men and women out there digging and reporting were also quite jealous of their ideas and nothing could ever quite match the kind of " intellectual food fight" and nasty barbs that one could throw at another for disagreeing with the point that they were trying to make. THAT was discouraging...... I wanted them to look at ALL of the possibilities, even though some of them were outside their realm.

My brother said something to me about this time that really crushed me.

I was nine, I think....I had laid out all of my most recent research about a couple of historical characters.... everything that had ever been written of them and their times and I asked him very seriously.... there was a point... where the trail disappeared... and I asked him...." I wonder what happened to them?"  He frowned for a minute and then seriously said" Well I know one thing for sure....."  There was a pause and I hung on his every word.... so happy that he was going to contribute to my search.... to say something positive and helpful....'  His response?  " They are both dead now".  And then he just walked away.

As I said. At the time I was crushed. But my brother Joseph had a point. Sometimes you just are not going to know things that are beyond your scope. He went to the basic of what he could safely conclude.... the ONLY thing that was safe to conclude. They were both gone.... centuries ago... and maybe most of my " research" was just rehashing what other humans had concluded and how would I ever know what was valid and what was not.

So in this I have to take a few steps back and maybe join you later.... my path right now has to be more immediate and that's why I have to concentrate on an age where people who can speak up are still with us...And mysteries still are plentiful!

Linda

[undo11]

Sciences provide proof of the deluge, it just hasn't been able too exactly coincide all texts as factual autobiographies or absolute oral transmission.

well i've been tracking all the old stories, especially the ones that appear to generate the most skepticism, because

1) i want to know if the skepticism is warranted, and

2) i want to know if there's an answer to the skepticism (we are all inherently skeptical about things outside our vision or knowledge and if we didn't give it some kind of initial trial and error period, we'd be likely to accept almost anything, even out right lies) and

3) i want to share that the texts are historically accurate and then explore just how much more info resolves from the supernatural side as a result.

and finally,

4)  i want to understand the rationale behind those events, the rationale behind how people respond to those events and as a result, the rationale behind why i respond as i do to the info concerning those events.  i don't like the idea of believing something just because everyone else does, but rather believing something because it is true.  i don't cling to the idea that just because someone tells me a thing is true, that that means it is true.  and i don't blame other people for asking those same questions

[The Matrix Traveller]

Regarding the writings we have to consider what the Carpenter was reported to have said regarding The Scribes  Quote;

39.  Jesus said,

"The Pharisees and the Scribes
have taken The Keys of Knowledge
and Hidden Them.

They themselves have NOT entered,
nor have they allowed to enter
those who wish to.

You, however, be as wise as serpents
and as innocent as doves."

But the Geometry remains, in the writing which are in Parable for the Inner Mind and NOT The Flesh.

If we go back to the writings of E'  NOCH we find the evidence regarding the nature of these writings Quote;

From... "THE BOOK of E'NOCH" I-XXXVI"  (One of the remaining Books of E' NOCH today) Quote;

Ch. 1  Verse 01.

The words of the blessing of E'NOCH,
where-with he blessed the elect and righteous'
who will be living in the day of  tribulation,
when all the wicked and godless are to be removed.

02.  And he took up his parable and said-

E'noch a righteous man, whose Eyes were Opened by GOD,

saw the Vision of THE HOLY ONE in the Heavens,
which the angels showed me, and from them
I  heard everything,

and from them I understood as I saw,
but not for this generation, but for a remote one
which is for to come.

03. Concerning the elect I said, and took up my parable concerning them:

THE HOLY GREAT ONE will come forth from HIS Dwelling'

04.  And THE ETERNAL GOD will tread upon the Earth,
even on Mount Sinai and appear from HIS Camp
and appear in the strength of HIS might
from the HEAVEN of Heavens.

05.  And all shall be smitten with fear,

And the watchers

The Watchers are NOT Angels but instead are the Partitions of The True Mind.

This is NOT my reasoning but I have been shown by The LIGHT

i.e. The Place of LIFE or "The LIFE of GOD".

The knowledge I was Given, is NOT from the human Species but instead by The LIGHT.

shall quake,

And great fear and trembling shall seize them unto the ends of the Earth.

06. And the high mountains shall be shaken,
And the high hills shall be made low,
And shall melt like wax before the flame,

07.  And the Earth shall wholly rent in sunder,
And all that is upon the Earth shall perish,

And there shall be a judgement upon all men.

08.  But with the righteous HE will make peace,
And will protect the elect, And mercy shall be upon them.

And they shall all belong to GOD, And they shall be prospered,

And they shall all be blessed.

And HE will help them all,

And LIGHT shall appear unto them,

And HE will make peace with them.

This is The LIGHT I was taken into.

NOT a single human, NOT even my own Flesh can Change this.

09.   And behold! HE cometh with ten thousands of HIS Holy Ones
to execute judgement upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly:

And to convict all flesh of all the works of  their ungodliness
which they have ungodly committed,

And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against HIM.

[undo11]

Regarding the writings we have to consider what the Carpenter was reported to have said regarding The Scribes  Quote;

But the Geometry remains, in the writing which are in Parable for the Inner Mind and NOT The Flesh.

If we go back to the writings of E'  NOCH we find the evidence regarding the nature of these writings Quote;

From... "THE BOOK of E'NOCH" I-XXXVI"  (One of the remaining Books of E' NOCH today) Quote;

The Watchers are NOT Angels but instead are the Partitions of The True Mind.

This is NOT my reasoning but I have been shown by The LIGHT

i.e. The Place of LIFE or "The LIFE of GOD".

The knowledge I was Given, is NOT from the human Species but instead by The LIGHT.

This is The LIGHT I was taken into.

NOT a single human, NOT even my own Flesh can Change this.

so are you suggesting noah's ark was a story about an event that happens in everybody's brain or are you suggesting noah's ark wasn't a real boat but a metaphor for something else?

[The Matrix Traveller]

Now back to Noah's Flood.

Go back to what I wrote regarding this in my FIRST "Post" in this Forum.

This Forum is Connected to Noah's Flood.....

he same "Thermal Cycle of The Earth" is Involved.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1127.msg11965#msg11965

I will then try and reveal the "Parable" re. Noah's Flood.

As these 2 events are Connected...

[undo11]

Now back to Noah's Flood.

Go back to what I wrote regarding this in my FIRST "Post" in this Forum.

This Forum is Connected to Noah's Flood.....

he same "Thermal Cycle of The Earth" is Involved.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1127.msg11965#msg11965

I will then try and reveal the "Parable" re. Noah's Flood.

As these 2 events are Connected...

so, you're saying (i'm still trying to figure this out) that there's a disc with octagonal holes in it, that can be overlaid on printed information so that the real information can be extracted from it, sort of like a decoder?

[The Matrix Traveller]

Hi undo11,

so are you suggesting noah's ark was a story about an event that happens in everybody's brain or are you suggesting noah's ark wasn't a real boat but a metaphor for something else?

VERY VERY REAL....

History is a PARABLE (The Result of a Program BOOK or Story) History has a Meaning
for us and tells a Story in the world for The Inner True Mind and NOT for the Flesh, as the Flesh is but a story and is Dead.

"The Living ONE" is your True MIND i.e. Awareness. The Flesh is NOT Aware of anything.

[The Matrix Traveller]

so, you're saying (i'm still trying to figure this out) that there's a disc with octagonal holes in it,

You are talking about The Lamb which is a Processing Component of Every Soul.

that can be overlaid on printed information so that the real information can be extracted from it, sort of like a decoder?

Truly Sorry undo11, You still haven't Understood.

The "Lamb" is a Component of a Processing System which Generates what humankind believes to be the Universe.

To understand I think it is best, that you read through my forums, but make sure you read each Title in their Correct order as numbered as they consist of a single explanation, and if read NOT in their order, will only confuse you.

The Forum "Processing System" is the set of Titled subjects explaining the Processing System.

Make sure you read each in their Correct order as one continues on from the previous.

[Captain Dave]

I think this might tie in a little with what you're both saying...
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1168.msg12068;topicseen#new