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[astr0144]

Good further points E113...

I may have made a few moderations alterations / additions since you replied ref to 9/11.
and how my views may have changed on it... but that took maybe 18 years to do so..
I seen what I seen a new valid theory I thin from last year..

and I DID think even on this forum.. many of us at one one time considered the many conspiracy theories on it..
Including some of the likes of some of  Alex Jones extreme type ones ...

The trouble is probably a large % of people do not manage to or maybe incapable to keep up ..

but that I suppose applies to numerous existing laws that  most of us was not aware of at some stage in our lives...as adults or children.

Laws are passed and stricken down on nearly a daily basis in order to keep up one has to do the research on their own. Even with the COVID laws being passed, if your not watching for these you won't know what had been set into law (ex. the social distancing 2m rule was made LAW in Canada. If your not watching the news you would find this out the hard way.)

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There only other chocie would be to be sent back ... and thats provided  that they would actually do that..
or not question you further.

thats my concern..

Rejecting it would probably raise more flags than if one was to simply just go through with it. Unless you HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE it really isn't going to make any difference.

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but some things are too hard to determine what gets done...and the rights and wrongs in relation to it.
No doubt if we do get effected by certain issues .. most of us would look for authorities guidence.

You nailed it on the head there. Some of this is knee-jerk reactions to what the population is DEMANDING. It's that fine line of being a "just" law or being a "Draconian" law... see the below example...

WAS YOU OR ANYONE AWARE AFTER 9/11 when they brought in Finger printing for visitors..

this article suggested it referred to in 2004... that was 2 to  3 years after..

I wonder why they also were also taking peoples photographs... when they have those already on the passports...

was this another double check to compare passport photos.

BUT there is also a ref to FACE SCANNING in the BBC article further below

and this seems to be the future.. that includes facial recognition / biometrics.



LAX and Lufthansa examine the benefits of biometric processing


https://www.futuretravelexperience.com/2018/08/five-examples-of-biometrics-in-action-at-us-airports/

The US has been routinely fingerprinting and face-scanning foreign visitors since January 2004.

US begins fingerprinting most visitors



Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge watches as a foreign visitor gets fingerprinted and photographed at a US-VISIT station at Atlanta's airport

ATLANTA — Foreigners entering U.S. airports and seaports from all but 27 nations were having their fingerprints scanned and their photographs taken beginning Monday as part of a new program to tighten border security.
Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge, who was in Atlanta to help launch the program at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport, said Monday on NBC's "Today" show that the pilot program before the formal launch had led to 21 foreigners' being denied entry because they had earlier been deported for criminal or other legal issues.
"We want to keep our borders open. We are a welcoming country, but we want to secure the country as well," Ridge said. "We want them to come to the United States to work and to visit and to study, but we also need to make sure we have a record of who comes into the country and when they leave."
Most passengers breezed through the fingerprinting and picture-taking Monday, spending only a few seconds more than they normally would at the Customs station where they were asked about their visits.
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All 115 U.S. airports that handle international flights and 14 major seaports are covered by the program, under which Customs officials can instantaneously check an immigrant's or a visitor's criminal background.
Called US-VISIT, or U.S. Visitor and Immigrant Status Indicator Technology, the program will check up to 24 million foreigners each year, although some will be repeat visitors.
Some nations not affected
The only exceptions will be visitors from 27 countries — most of them European nations whose citizens are allowed to come to the United States for up to 90 days without visas. Ridge said citizens from those countries would have machine-readable passports by October that provided the same information as what the U.S. system checked for.
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Inkless fingerprints will be taken and checked instantaneously against a national digital database for criminal backgrounds and any terrorist lists. The process will be repeated when the visitors leave the country as an extra security measure and to ensure that they complied with visa limitations.
Bill Strassberger, a spokesman for the Homeland Security Department, said that once screeners became proficient, the extra security would take only 10 to 15 seconds per person. Foreign travelers also will continue to pass through regular Customs points and answer questions.
Photographs will be used to help create a database for law enforcement. The travel data are supposed to be securely stored and made available only to authorized officials on a need-to-know basis.
A similar program is to be installed at 50 land border crossings by the end of next year.
Policy accepted, with reservations
Travelers criticized the new U.S. policy as heavy-handed, but some voiced grudging acceptance of the need for tighter security.
At the airport in Mexico City, Mexicans returning to the United States arrived up to six hours before their flights were scheduled to take off Monday.
Many said the new measures were inconvenient, but most appeared to be moving through security and check-ins with few delays.
"I think it is a little much," said Constanza Carrillo, 30, a computer software technician who lives in Denver. "But if it feels safer for the government of the United States and for Americans, we don't have a problem with it."
Victor Fuentes, 18, a Mexican returning to the United States to study at a high school in Chicago, said more security was better than less.
"It's fine with me because it is for the safety of everyone," he said.
However, in Brazil, which has requested that Brazilians be removed from the U.S. list, police started fingerprinting and photographing Americans arriving at Sao Paulo's airport last week in retaliation.
"At first, most of the Americans were angered at having to go through all this, but they were usually more understanding once they learned that Brazilians are subjected to the same treatment in the U.S.," said Wagner Castilho, a spokesman for Brazilian police.
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Ridge said that the United States was "prepared to live by one international standard" and that he felt it would become the system adopted by Washington.
Sept. 11 origin
The U.S. system, which  consists of a small box that digitally scans fingerprints and a camera that snaps digital pictures, will gradually phase out a paper-based system that Congress mandated be modernized following the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
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A person whose fingerprints or photos raise questions would not be turned away automatically. The visa holder would be sent to secondary inspection for further questions and checks. Officials have said false hits on the system have been less than 0.1 percent in trial runs.
The system was scheduled to begin operation New Year's Day, but it was delayed to avoid the busy holiday travel period.
Congress provided $368 million to produce the system and put it in airports, but it provided only $330 million of the $400 million President Bush requested to put the system in land borders in 2004.
Additional background is online at http://www.dhs.gov/us-visit.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3875747/ns/us_news-security/t/us-begins-fingerprinting-most-visitors/#.XsEuidQwit8


A BBC article on it..

US fingerprints 'allied' visitors



Millions of fingerprints are being checked each year

US fingerprints 'allied' visitors
Visitors being checked with the new system at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport
Millions of fingerprints are being checked each year
A US requirement for visitors to be fingerprinted and photographed is being expanded to include citizens from America's closest allies.
The move will affect visitors from 27 countries - including the UK, Japan and Australia - whose nationals are able to visit the US without a visa.

The change in the US-Visit programme is due to take effect by 30 September.

The programme is designed to fight terrorism, but has been criticised by many - notably in Latin America.

Secure passports

The US-Visit (US Visitor and Immigrant Status Indicator Technology) security system is meant to identify travellers who have violated immigration controls, have criminal records or belong to groups listed as terrorist organisations by the US.

The US has been routinely fingerprinting and face-scanning foreign visitors since January.

But Washington decided to extend the programme after determining that visa waiver countries will not meet an October deadline to introduce sophisticated passports, which include biometric data and make counterfeiting virtually impossible.

   
COUNTRIES AFFECTED
Andorra, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Brunei, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, San Marino, Singapore, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, UK
The UK authorities, for example, have said they will not be able to issue the new passports with the new data - such as an individual's fingerprints or iris pattern - before mid-2005.

The administration announced on Friday that it would seek a two-year extension of the deadline from Congress.

Security officials said the delay of the new passport system meant the port-of-entry security checks would therefore have to be extended.

Citizens from the 27 countries will still be allowed to visit the US without a visa, although they will now have to be fingerprinted and photographed before they enter.

"We recognise that the visa waiver country travellers are among our best allies, friends, and international guests," said Asa Hutchinson, undersecretary for border and transportation security.

"We are doing all we can to make sure the security measures cause minimal inconvenience."

'Privacy protected'

The plans, if approved by Congress, will entail a massive increase in the visitors to the US requiring checks. Some 13 million visitors from visa waiver countries visit the US each year, compared to some 19 million from non-visa waiver countries.

Canadians will now be the only foreign nationals able to enter the US without the checks, Mr Hutchinson said.

Asked whether the data on visitors would be kept, Mr Hutchinson said it would - in part to "facilitate travel" for frequent visitors to the US.

He said fingerprints were checked against criminal databases, but the information was "strictly protected under privacy rules".

When the border procedures for non-visa waiver countries were introduced at the beginning of the year, Brazil protested by introducing similar checks for US visitors to Rio de Janeiro.

But the US authorities the news measuers do not add any significant time to the process of clearing immigration.

And the BBC's Washington correspondent Justin Webb points out that there may be some benefits.

Some people who were going to have to get visas will be allowed to continue using the scheme.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3595221.stm

[ArMaP]

I dont think all other Countries have brought this in...like they have in the USA.

In the EU (or, more correctly, in the Shengen area), there are no border controls (except now, that countries have suspended the Shengen agreement so they could close their borders), so something like that is not possible for citizens of EU countries visiting other EU countries.
Also, it's a big personal rights abuse and wouldn't be tolerated by the most active personal rights organisations, like in Germany, where they are very strong.

I suspect the next thing that they may requesting or enforcing  is sampling of all our DNA to be put on a Data base file.
if its not already been created..from the past...

I think I read somewhere that in the UK everybody that is arrested gets their DNA put on a database, but I'm not sure about it.

[astr0144]

Now the authorities may not be to happy if the new that you did not take those 

But  do you think that you would agree to take  (or risk it ) the Covid Vaccine if it was for Free willingly ?

So are you saying Generally in Portugal that they dont tend to enforce such things..
when you say medical procedures cannot be mandatory !

Also you think maybe Portugal may be one of a few European Countries that are like that..

I am not sure how others Countries may end to compare..

But your Country may get some atempted visitors once that they start suggesting that their countries vaccination may become enforced.

At the moment in the UK you can actually travel in some cases by plane...to certain countries but in most cases ..
on arrival... I suspect most countries we would visit would do some sort of tests or involve isolation.

BUT in the UK we have allowed Numerous 1000s of  people to visit us with NO test or isolation what so ever...since Covid  in the last 3 months.. I thought that a TV program may had said as many as 18 million visitors ..

I was supposed to take the seasonal flu vaccine, but I forgot, twice.

Being a diabetic I don't have to pay for the seasonal flu vaccine, but if I have to pay for a possible SARS-COV2 vaccine I will not take it, that's for sure.

Also, in Portugal, medical procedures cannot be mandatory.

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How do you view the USAs fingerprinting for their Visitors ArMaP

similar to what you wrote or referred to in relation to EU / Germany  or do you agree in what the USA have done /  did ?

This gives some history upto 2013 of the use of Biometrics esp in the USA..
which may tell what they have or had brought in...since 9/11 or from 2004 onwards .

see some further details further below

https://www.biometricupdate.com/201802/history-of-biometrics-2


The thing is no matter what we may think... in terms of have we got anything to hide...

any of us could become or do a criminal act and maybe not even be aware of it...

so that's the other side of   that it may apply if  we have anything to Hide !

I suspect a very large % of people have done illegal things when they were younger not even being aware of it and sometimes these things can come back to haunt us...

I have some things similar to this and I still do NOT know if I should feel guilty or not  or if some things were beyond my control or intellect abilities of understanding or realising..or being aware at the time.. maybe due to severe stress that could had been occurring at the time.

Unless you HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE it really isn't going to make any difference.

Though initially only samples from convicted criminals, or people awaiting trial, were recorded, the Criminal Justice and Police Act 2001 changed this to allow DNA to be retained from people charged with an offence, even if they were subsequently acquitted. The Criminal Justice Act 2003 later allowed DNA to be taken on arrest, rather than on charge. Between 2004 when this law came into force and 2012, anyone arrested in England and Wales on suspicion of involvement in any recordable offence (all except the most minor offences) had their DNA sample taken and stored in the database, whether or not they are subsequently charged or convicted. In 2005-06 45,000 crimes were matched against records on the DNA Database; including 422 homicides (murders and manslaughters) and 645 rapes.[8] However, not all these matches would have led to criminal convictions and some would be matches with innocent people who were at the crime scene. Critics argued that the decision to keep large numbers of innocent people on the database did not appear to have increased the likelihood of solving a crime using DNA.[9] Since the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 in 2012, those not charged or not found guilty must have their DNA data deleted within a specified period of time.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_National_DNA_Database

In the EU (or, more correctly, in the Shengen area), there are no border controls (except now, that countries have suspended the Shengen agreement so they could close their borders), so something like that is not possible for citizens of EU countries visiting other EU countries.
Also, it's a big personal rights abuse and wouldn't be tolerated by the most active personal rights organisations, like in Germany, where they are very strong.
I think I read somewhere that in the UK everybody that is arrested gets their DNA put on a database, but I'm not sure about it.

Some Biometric egs below since 2004.

2004 – US-VISIT program becomes operational

The United States Visitor and Immigrant Status Indication Technology (US-VISIT) program is the cornerstone of the DHS visa issuance and entry I exit strategy. The US-VISIT program is a continuum of security measures that begins overseas at the Department of State's visa issuing posts, and continues through arrival to and departure from the US. Using biometrics, such as digital inkless fingerprints and digital photographs, the identity of visitors requiring a visa is now matched at each step to ensure that the person crossing the US border is the same person who received the visa. For visa-waiver travelers, the capture of biometrics first occurs at the port of entry to the US. By checking the biometrics of a traveler against its databases, US-VISIT verifies whether the traveler has previously been determined inadmissible, is a known security risk (including having outstanding wants and warrants), or has previously overstayed the terms of a visa. These entry I exit procedures address the US critical need for tighter security and its ongoing commitment to facilitate travel for the millions of legitimate visitors welcomed each year to conduct business, learn, see family, or tour the country.


2004 – DOD implements ABIS
The Automated Biometric Identification System (ABIS) is a Department of Defense (DoD) system implemented to improve the US Government's ability to track and identify national security threats. The associated collection systems include the ability to collect, from enemy combatants, captured insurgents, and other persons of interest, ten rolled fingerprints, up to five mug shots from varying angles, voice samples (utterances), iris images, and an oral swab to collect DNA.

2004 – Presidential directive calls for mandatory government-wide personal identification card for all federal employees and contractors
In 2004, President Bush issued Homeland Security Presidential Directive 12 (HSPD-12) for a mandatory, government-wide personal identification card that all federal government departments and agencies will issue to their employees and contractors requiring access to Federal facilities and systems. Subsequently, Federal Information Processing Standard (FIPS) 201, Personal Identity Verification (PIV) for Federal Employees and Contractors, specifies the technical and operational requirements for the PIV system and card. NIST Special Publication 800-76 (Biometric Data Specification for Personal Identity Verification) is a companion document to FIPS 201 describing how the standard will be acquiring, formatting and storing fingerprint images and templates for collecting and formatting facial images; and specifications for biometric devices used to collect and read fingerprint images. The publication specifies that two fingerprints be stored on the card as minutia templates.

2004 – First statewide automated palm print databases are deployed in the US
In 2004, Connecticut, Rhode Island and California established statewide palm print databases that allow law enforcement agencies in each state to submit unidentified latent palm prints to be searched against each other's database of known offenders.

2004 – Face Recognition Grand Challenge begins
The Face Recognition Grand Challenge (FRGC) is a US Government-sponsored challenge problem posed to develop algorithms to improve specific identified areas of interest in face recognition. Participating researchers analyze the provided data, try to solve the problem, and then reconvene to discuss various approaches and their results – an undertaking that is driving technology improvement. Participation in this challenge demonstrates an expansive breadth of knowledge and interest in this biometric modality.

2005 – US patent for iris recognition concept expires
The broad US patent covering the basic concept of iris recognition expired in 2005, providing marketing opportunities for other companies that have developed their own algorithms for iris recognition. However, the patent on the lrisCodes® implementation of iris recognition developed by Dr. Daugman will not expire until 2011.

2005 – Iris on the Move is announced at Biometrics Consortium Conference
At the 2005 Biometrics Consortium conference, Sarnoff Corporation (now SRI International) demonstrated Iris on the Move, a culmination of research and prototype systems sponsored by the Intelligence Technology Innovation Center (ITIC), and previously by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). The system enables the collection of iris images from individuals walking through a portal.

2008 – U.S. Government begin coordinating biometric database use
Finger image and facial quality measurement algorithms and related toolset development was finalized. An iris quality measurement algorithm was also developed.
The FBI and Department of Defense also started working on next generation databases designed to include iris, face and palm data, in addition to fingerprint records.
The Department of Homeland Security denied an individual entry into the U.S. after cross-matched biometric data identified the individual as a known or suspected terrorist

[ArMaP]

Now the authorities may not be to happy if the new that you did not take those 

My doctor knows I didn't take them because she was the one prescribing them. Medical data is higher on the list of personal data that cannot be shared unless anonymised.

Many years ago, when I was in school, they said that we needed to have a tuberculosis test done. Everybody in my room got it, except two people, and one of those was me. 
It wasn't really mandatory, as most people thought.

But you agree to take  (or risk it ) the Covid Vaccine if it was for Free willingly ?

Only after seeing that there were no side effects, so I wouldn't take it during the first year or two.

So are you saying Generally in Portugal that they dont tend to enforce such things..
when you say medical procedures cannot be mandatory !

They do not enforce it, but in some cases some vaccines (or at least some tests) may be mandatory for specific jobs. Jobs in which people work with children or with people with immune system problems usually have to show that they are not a danger for those they are going to work with. That's why anyone working with children has to present their criminal record before being accepted.

As for general medical procedures, a couple of years ago there was a homeless man (from Ukraine or another East Europe country) that got a big sore on one leg, and the leg was getting worse and worse, with people worrying that he would probably lose his leg if he didn't go to the hospital. Some people called the police or the firemen to take it to the hospital, but as he didn't want to go nobody could do a thing. He eventually accepted to go to the hospital to get his leg treated, and the last I heard of him his brother came to Portugal to take it back home.

As a kind of PS to that story, anyone that is legally in Portugal can stay where they want, unless they break into someone's home or something like that. Some years ago there was a homeless woman that decided to live under the balconies of the building where I live. My 5th floor neighbour, who is afraid of fires after watching one too close to her when she lived in Macao, decided to call the police to see if they could do something about the cardboard boxes the woman used to make her small shelter. The police said that the only thing they could do was to ask her for identification, there are no loitering laws in Portugal.

Also you think maybe Portugal may be one of a few European Countries that are like that..

According to this, vaccines are not mandatory in Austria, Cyprus, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Romania, Spain, Sweden and United Kingdom.

But your Country may get some atempted visitors once that they start suggesting that their countries vaccination may become enforced.

People said the same when we decriminalised drug use, that we would become an addicts paradise, but it didn't happen.

[astr0144]

 I may have had a similar situation at one time when I was at school. 

My doctor knows I didn't take them because she was the one prescribing them. Medical data is higher on the list of personal data that cannot be shared unless anonymised.

Many years ago, when I was in school, they said that we needed to have a tuberculosis test done. Everybody in my room got it, except two people, and one of those was me. 
It wasn't really mandatory, as most people thought.

That would seem wiser... I just hope that they don't try to bring in a very fast application of it all in which we are not given time to see
what may happen to any  who are willing to  initially volunteer may react to the vaccines.

Only after seeing that there were no side effects, so I wouldn't take it during the first year or two.

That's something that I am always unsure about in ref to such loiter laws....inc the U.K

I think that they have suggested them... but whether they can enforce them by law I am unsure.

We still have homeless on the streets although recently they attempted to remove them off the streets since Covid came in..
after people had complained for years prior that the Govt had done very little to aid the homeless situation in the past

The police said that the only thing they could do was to ask her for identification, there are no loitering laws in Portugal.

Nice find...

The question is will countries be forced to alter their laws if this continues on as may being suggested..

According to this, vaccines are not mandatory in Austria, Cyprus, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Romania, Spain, Sweden and United Kingdom.

If there is more countries doing similar in Europe.. they will have more choice..
but its interesting what you have said about the drug situation outcome.. I was not aware of that..

People said the same when we decriminalised drug use, that we would become an addicts paradise, but it didn't happen

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How do you view the USAs fingerprinting for their Visitors ArMaP

similar to what you wrote or referred to in relation to EU / Germany  or do you agree in what the USA have done /  did ?

I'm against it, naturally, as there is no need to get more data than they already have about the people entering the country, even if the US signed an agreement with the EU about personal data protections to be considered a safe country in matters of personal data protection.

[ArMaP]

We still have homeless on the streets although recently they attempted to remove them off the streets since Covid came in..
after people had complained for years prior that the Govt had done very little to aid the homeless situation in the past

In Portugal, most towns provided shelter for the homeless, as most got some food from restaurants and coffee shops that were closed, and the people that stayed at home didn't remember that homeless person they used to get a coin or two every day, so most were not getting very little food.

The question is will countries be forced to alter their laws if this continues on as may being suggested..

They cannot be forced, it's as simple as that.

but its interesting what you have said about the drug situation outcome.. I was not aware of that..

Yes, several years ago, because of the problem with drug addicts getting HIV from syringe sharing and stuff like that, we started a program to help them getting back to normal. It was considered that one of the problems was that drug use was a crime, so people stayed away from anything connected to the state. The solution was to consider possession for personal use a health problem instead of a crime, so now people that are caught using or in possession of drugs are sent to a committee that presents them the options they have to leave their addiction.
Drugs sale is still a crime.

[astr0144]

I thought maybe I was starting to believe to be one of a few who may be against it.
so I appriciate your view on it.

and yes talk about the recent increase in Data Protection Laws for the public....or even from further in the past.

How do you view the USAs fingerprinting for their Visitors ArMaP

I'm against it, naturally, as there is no need to get more data than they already have about the people entering the country, even if the US signed an agreement with the EU about personal data protections to be considered a safe country in matters of personal data protection.

In the UK  ... I believe maybe a few years ago we mayhave had a reasonable Social security System.. known as the DHSS.. Dept of heath and Social security .. that delt with the benefits system for those in need or who where unemployed.

Then after the 2008 Financial crash... the Govt altered some of the system to tighten up on things...
and started doing a more frustating set of changes for anyone applying for benefits..

where as anyone on them for many years before generally were easily allowed to obtain them without too much investigation or hassel.

So now for eg... if you become unfit to work... where you used to apply for what was known as Employment Support Allowance (ESA)...   Its now changed to something called Universal credit. (U.C)that sort of combines other types of benefits that are similar in certain ways...such as the old Job seekers allowance (JSA)for those who are fit to seek for work.

https://www.gov.uk/universal-credit

You used to be able to obtain such benefits if you were unfit to work from JUST a Doctors Note...
but they will only now allow I think it was maybe two doctors note before they ask you to go for a medical.

Just before they brought in the new system... anyone who was claiming the ESA who claimed to be unfit for work.
once they signed on... for the first few months they would get support.. but afte say 3 months.. they were asked to
go for medicals... where the system used a contract company to access claiments..

and later there were many issues against this.. as it was often claimed those doing the accessment were not fully medically trained. and a vast majority of times... they started to go really strict and told most that they were fit to work.
and were told to then seek work and go on the Job seekers (JSA) benefit...

BUT if you did NOT do as they asked your benefits would be stopped

also Since then... many people who are still  ill or unfit to work.or even quite badly disabled.. and get refused benefits and still can not work also get their benefits stopped.. and maybe for upto 6 months..
and since then quite a lot of people no longer can get benefits..

and what they have done now is bring out FOOD BANKS... that reply on Charity...
and NOW we have a LOT of these that have occured in the last year or two...where it replies on the public donations.

So for eg... say you were able to survive even on just ten pounds or dollars  ($ GBPs 10.00 ) worth of food.
that you may get from a food bank to  keep you going for a week...

The benfits system will not even give such people ten pounds a week..
and they have  to obtain this food from the food banks... YOU HAVE TO GET A VOUCHER FROM the Benefits system or some sort of authority...

This I cannot believe... that the British Public go along with this...
To me its a UTTER disgrace..


Also even if you work.. if you now were to get sacked... they can refuse you benefits..
so many have to now find work..no matter what or starve. or live of savings if they can.

This may be why we had so many still on the streets or why crime was so high...

Thats the UK today for you... ! 

Although it may still be better than some other Euro or  other modern type Countries.

Some say it should be against our Human Rights..
On trying to get helps from Solicitors / lawyers etc.... generally they are little help..
I know some people who have tried and tried to obtain aid help and generally thats been very hard to obtain or find..

Many of the public say things like some people who are saying they are unfit for work are just trying it on..
and that the system needed to be strict with the system to rule such people out..
and that maybe the case or so for some... especially in the uncertain climate we are in now where reasonable jobs are still hard to get...

but some will say can you blame them for trying..

because the other alternative now on the new Univeral credit system now requires you if you are fit to work and on JSA..
to do 35 hrs worth of Job seaching a week..

where as prior to this all you had to do was apply for just 4 jobs per fortnight...

Being on benefits for the JSA type is now seen as a full time job..
MANY PEOPLE NOW... ARE OFF the benefits system.. and  have  just taken any job to get off it..
and Now the Govt were boasting how the Unemployment levels have dropped ..and how well they had done.

Again for years prior to this .. prior generations were getting loads of types of benefits..for many years..
but now.. newer generations or those new to benefits struggle to get any in some cases..

It seems many of these food banks belong to something called the Trusell Trust..

That I think is also connected with the Govt...
https://www.trusselltrust.org/

In the UK, more than 14 million people are living in poverty – including 4.5 million children. We support more than 1,200 food bank centres in the UK to provide a minimum of three days' nutritionally-balanced emergency food to people who have been referred in crisis, as well as support to help people resolve the crises they face. Between April 2018 and March 2019, food banks in our network provided a record 1.6 million food supplies to people in crisis, a 19% increase on the previous year.

Food vouchers

Care professionals such as health visitors, schools and social workers identify people in crisis and issue them with a food bank voucher. This means people can receive a food bank parcel of three days' nutritionally balanced, non-perishable food from their local food bank

PROFESSIONALS IDENTIFY PEOPLE IN NEED
Food banks partner with a wide range of care professionals such as doctors, teachers, health visitors and social workers to identify people in crisis and give them a food bank voucher to access emergency food.

More than 40,000 people give up their time to volunteer at food banks across the UK.
People bring their voucher to a food bank centre where it can be redeemed for three days' emergency food. Volunteers welcome people and offer them further support to help resolve the crisis they face.

There are some others and a few church type ones which I am not sure how they operate..

but two of three of them are being even promoted by the TV media on quite a large scale.

and people are giving a lot to these charities..may be more than what the Govt would pay if they paid out just even a small ammount of money to those seeking unfit for work benefits..

The dont seem to see  thru this and go along with it..

but to me this is severely wrong...

as you should have the rights to obtain moeny to buy ones own choice of food within reason and not what the food banks issue.. that is restricted to type of rationing..

Also many people are now ashamed to go to beg for such things and some do not try to do so..
and are suffering really badly from this.. financially and severely health wise..


Many also will not go for a medical as they see that as a Data Protection issue... and dont trust the Govt to keep their
medical details from other future employers ... also they them seleve may have some other medical considition or mental issues thatthey want to keep private that could effect them getting future employment if it was to get exposed..

Some try to use Mental issues when applying like depression... but are often now turned down.

In order to beat the system now... the need a very good excuse or made up medical condition that cannot easily be questioned or proven... in you may need a Doctor to advise them what to say..

How could they do thatI wonder ?

especially those in real crisis.. of which there are many who at least need time and benefits to help them recover..

and you want to know why I question Govt ?

In Portugal, most towns provided shelter for the homeless, as most got some food from restaurants and coffee shops that were closed, and the people that stayed at home didn't remember that homeless person they used to get a coin or two every day, so most were not getting very little food.
They cannot be forced, it's as simple as that.


Yes, several years ago, because of the problem with drug addicts getting HIV from syringe sharing and stuff like that, we started a program to help them getting back to normal. It was considered that one of the problems was that drug use was a crime, so people stayed away from anything connected to the state. The solution was to consider possession for personal use a health problem instead of a crime, so now people that are caught using or in possession of drugs are sent to a committee that presents them the options they have to leave their addiction.
Drugs sale is still a crime.

[kevin]

https://summit.news/2020/03/16/denmark-passes-law-enabling-forced-coronavirus-vaccinations/https://www.loc.gov/law/foreign-news/article/china-vaccine-law-passed/

https://greatgameindia.com/italian-politician-demand-bill-gates-arrest-for-crimes-against-humanity/?fbclid=IwAR2JpfiZfNQwKcF3B2-tQuJm8Qrq-XkiG4hU12SZG2Z-PmKs-0m0W6CvF0A

Italian lady.

Kevin

[ArMaP]

You used to be able to obtain such benefits if you were unfit to work from JUST a Doctors Note...
but they will only now allow I think it was maybe two doctors note before they ask you to go for a medical.

In Portugal, if you get sick you go to the doctor and he fills a form saying you are unfit for work up to some date. At that date you can get another form prolonging the situation.
If you become really unfit for any kind of work related to what you worked on I think you have to go to a special medical committee or something like that, so instead of a doctor you have a declaration issued by two or three doctors to confirm that you have some percentage of disablement that prevents you from work. From that point on you can receive a disabled pension.
If you are fired from your work you get unemployment pay, but you do not have to prove that you are looking for work, as there's an organisation that does that for you, sending you letters telling you that you need to go some place where they are looking for workers. If you refuse to go you lose the payment, but as long as you keep going where they tell you to go you can keep on receiving the unemployment pay. I think that after two years, if you didn't get a job you are considered a long time unemployed person and things are different, but I don't know how.

Now, to get back on topic, the government declared that any medical appointments related to CoViD-19 are free. People with low income do not pay for any appointments, and neither do people suffering from some disease, like diabetes (that's why I don't pay for my medical appointments, only for the medication).
Portugal also declared that all foreigners trying to legalise their situation should be considered as Portuguese citizens regarding all CoViD-19 appointments and/or tests and treatments, so they have either little or nothing to pay.

Portugal may be a relatively poor country, but we still have a relatively supporting Social Security.

[astr0144]

Interesting to compare how things work in Portugal in ref to Unemployment / benefits etc.

I think in certain ways ... for long term unfit for work situations... its a bit similar... in that such persons have to face a medical board.. maybe rather than have an actual suggested medical.

and in Maybe I did forget to add.. that in the UK... they do attempt to place longer term unemployed on certain courses,
training or attempt to send you for certain jobs.. and they were last time I investigated sending longer term Un-Employd
to attend at some location to get assistance in applying for jobs and giving interview  or other types of training etc..

and yes in that case if you do not attend.. you get you benefits stopped..

the problem with it is after a while...if you do not find some suitable or go along with things.. it just becomes a routine
and is not really any help at all after you have done this for 2/3 months..
so many get fed up with it and just think its a waste of their time.. just to get a small payment.

Many have given up as decent work opportunities for some are very rare now...

As far as I know the unemployed are or were entitled to free perscriptions../ certain medical treatments or dental treatment..

But overall they have tightened things up.
and now make you work for benefits in terms of the time applying for jobs that you have to now put in.

In Portugal, if you get sick you go to the doctor and he fills a form saying you are unfit for work up to some date. At that date you can get another form prolonging the situation.
If you become really unfit for any kind of work related to what you worked on I think you have to go to a special medical committee or something like that, so instead of a doctor you have a declaration issued by two or three doctors to confirm that you have some percentage of disablement that prevents you from work. From that point on you can receive a disabled pension.
If you are fired from your work you get unemployment pay, but you do not have to prove that you are looking for work, as there's an organisation that does that for you, sending you letters telling you that you need to go some place where they are looking for workers. If you refuse to go you lose the payment, but as long as you keep going where they tell you to go you can keep on receiving the unemployment pay. I think that after two years, if you didn't get a job you are considered a long time unemployed person and things are different, but I don't know how.

Now, to get back on topic, the government declared that any medical appointments related to CoViD-19 are free. People with low income do not pay for any appointments, and neither do people suffering from some disease, like diabetes (that's why I don't pay for my medical appointments, only for the medication).
Portugal also declared that all foreigners trying to legalise their situation should be considered as Portuguese citizens regarding all CoViD-19 appointments and/or tests and treatments, so they have either little or nothing to pay.

Portugal may be a relatively poor country, but we still have a relatively supporting Social Security.

[astr0144]

The UK will receive 30million doses of a coronavirus vaccine "by September

This came out today... which was what I suspected...If it is Alex Jones describes.. I suspect that this was already made prior to what they may tell us.

Coronavirus vaccine 'by September': Oxford University strikes deal with AstraZeneca to produce 30 million doses of the jab - the moment it's proved to work
Business Secretary Alok Sharma said the UK will get access to an Oxford University developed vaccine first
Vaccine currently going through clinical trials and a deal has been done with AstraZeneca to make it if it works
The deal would see AstraZeneca make 100 million doses with 30 million available for Britain by September
But Mr Sharma warned there are 'no certainties' regarding vaccine and said it could prove not to be effective
The vaccine announcement came as the UK's coronavirus death toll increased by 170 to a total of 34,636
Here's how to help people impacted by Covid-19.

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11643790/oxford-coronavirus-vaccine-uk/



Watching a TV program earlier..
It was saying that in Quatar ...anyone who does not wear a mask in ref to the Covid virus.. will be fined the equivilent of
$55,000 or 3 yrs in Jail..

How on earth wil most people afford that !.... its JUST NOT possible..

Qatar to dole out $55,000 fines, jail time for not wearing face masks..

Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2020/05/qatar-masks-coronavirus-jail-fines-spike.html#ixzz6MnGTTpl9

https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2020/05/qatar-masks-coronavirus-jail-fines-spike.html

[Ellirium113]

It was saying that in Quatar ...anyone who does not wear a mask in ref to the Covid virus.. will be fined the equivilent of
$55,000 or 3 yrs in Jail..

LOL basically wear a mask or we'll make sure you DO get COVID and make sure you go broke as well!

[Ellirium113]

Italian lawmaker demands Bill Gates be ARRESTED for 'crimes against humanity'... But WHY?

An Italian lawmaker has managed to bring the conspiracy blame-game to an entirely new level, exercising her parliamentary privilege to blast Bill Gates as a "vaccine criminal" and globalist tool.

Being a well-known anti-vax activist, Cunial singled-out Gates as the villain primarily because of the vaccination campaigns that his foundation has been conducting for years in less-developed countries. But while boldly accusing the billionaire of sterilizing millions of women in Africa and paralyzing hundreds of thousands of children in India, she also added a good pinch of GMOs and 5G tech to the dense conspiracy mix of his 'sins.'
The Italian politician also harshly criticized the anti-coronavirus lockdown measures that her country was among the first to impose. According to Cunial, the isolation serves the globalist agenda too, while the Italians have been subjected to a "holy inquisition of false science."
"It is our children who will lose more, who are 'raped souls,'" Cunial said. "In this way, the right to school will be granted only with a bracelet to get them used to probation, to get them used to slavery and involuntary treatment."

https://www.rt.com/news/488912-italy-parliament-bill-gates-coronavirus/